1-Dec-83 18:09:29-MST,888;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from rand-unix by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 1 Dec 83 18:08:59-MST Date: Thursday, 1 Dec 1983 16:52-PST To: kevinw@SU-DSN, amethyst-users @SIMTEL20 CC: bridger@rand-unix Subject: MINCE with user numbers In-reply-to: Your message of Monday, 28 Nov 1983 13:37-PST. From: bridger@rand-unix Kevin @SU-DSN recently noted the limitation of using the Mince editor in different user areas. I think Leor's new compiler could do the trick: Mince would be helped a lot if it were re-compiled in bds c 1.5, which supports user-number file references. By putting the swap file in user 0 and using ZCPR or a similar command processor that uses a search path to user 0, you could invoke mince from any user/drive and also read/write files from any user/drive. Perhaps MOTU would consider issuing this much of an update? --bridger. 2-Dec-83 16:37:13-MST,954;000000000000 Mail-From: WANCHO created at 2-Dec-83 16:32:31 Date: 2 Dec 1983 16:32 MST (Fri) Message-ID: From: "Frank J. Wancho" To: AMETHYST-USERS@SIMTEL20 Subject: Mince/BDSC-1.50a/User areas Apparently the new copies of Mince are compiled with BDSC 1.50a. But, they have no plans to update existing users with the newly compiled version, because of the paucity of users of CP/M Mince today, even fewer who have user number areas, and the fact that nobody at MotU is willing to pick a price for the update that is so minor. Word is that they don't object to people trading disks with each other to get the latest stuff, but they don't think distributors and dealers should be obligated to provide such a service without a profit. So MotU quietly released it internally and is not offering its usual free updates, nor any at all for that matter, this time around... (sigh...) --Frank 15-Dec-83 16:28:54-MST,795;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from CMU-CS-G by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 15 Dec 83 16:28:34-MST Date: 15 Dec 1983 18:01-EST From: Ira.Monarch@CMU-CS-G.ARPA Subject: Mince and Scribble on CPM-Apple To: Amethyst-Users@Simtel20 Message-Id: <440377269/iam@CMU-CS-G> I am leaning toward acquiring Mince and Scribble to use on an Apple equiped with a Microsoft Z-80 softcard and 16k Ram card, a Sup-r-term 80 column board, and an Epson MX-80 printer with graftrax - all of which are 1 or more years old. Is there anyone out there with a similar configuration using these programs? Are you satisfied? Are there any problems? What is the least expensive way of acquiring them? Are any earlier versions or similar versions in the public domain? Thanks --Ira Monarch 16-Dec-83 11:51:01-MST,1482;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from CMU-CS-G by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 16 Dec 83 11:50:41-MST Date: 16 Dec 1983 13:42-EST From: Ira.Monarch@CMU-CS-G.ARPA Subject: Mince and Scribble on CPM-Apple To: Amethyst-Users@Simtel20 Message-Id: <440448129/iam@CMU-CS-G> I am leaning toward acquiring Mince and Scribble to use on an Apple equiped with a Microsoft Z-80 softcard and 16k Ram card, a Sup-r-term 80 column board, and an Epson MX-80 printer with graftrax - all of which are 1 or more years old. Is there anyone out there with a similar configuration using these programs? Are you satisfied? Are there any problems? What is the least expensive way of acquiring them? Are any earlier versions or similar versions in the public domain? Thanks --Ira Monarch _________________________________ >Date: 15 Dec 1983 18:01-EST From: Ira.Monarch@CMU-CS-G.ARPA Subject: Mince and Scribble on CPM-Apple To: Amethyst-Users@Simtel20 I am leaning toward acquiring Mince and Scribble to use on an Apple equiped with a Microsoft Z-80 softcard and 16k Ram card, a Sup-r-term 80 column board, and an Epson MX-80 printer with graftrax - all of which are 1 or more years old. Is there anyone out there with a similar configuration using these programs? Are you satisfied? Are there any problems? What is the least expensive way of acquiring them? Are any earlier versions or similar versions in the public domain? Thanks --Ira Monarch 19-Dec-83 15:58:38-MST,568;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from MIT-MC by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 19 Dec 83 15:58:21-MST Date: 19 December 1983 17:58 EST From: Devon S. McCullough Subject: Mince and Scribble on CPM-Apple To: Ira.Monarch @ CMU-CS-G cc: Amethyst-Users @ SIMTEL20 In-reply-to: Msg of 15 Dec 1983 18:01-EST from Ira.Monarch@CMU-CS-G.ARPA At Terrapin we use MINCE on an Apple//e with a z80 card and MX-80, works fine. We don't use the Sup-R-Term (echhh!) of course since //e's have 80 columns standard, so you may have to frob the CONFIG. 28-Dec-83 12:16:17-MST,1376;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from MIT-MC by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 28 Dec 83 12:15:59-MST Date: 27 December 1983 20:38 EST From: Jonathan David Callas Subject: Mince and Scribble on CPM-Apple To: Ira.Monarch @ CMU-CS-G cc: Amethyst-Users @ SIMTEL20 I have used Mince and Scribble on a similar configuration. I used a VT100 connected via a CCS serial card, but I used an Epson with Graftrax. I had problems with mince in that the apple doesn't process the interrupts correctly from the vt100 and it tended to garbage keypad escape sequences while auto-repeating. Scribble doesn't know how to use an Epson with Graftrax. The microfeeding setup for an "Epson MX-80" must be for the earliest Epsons without any extra roms. It flat doesn't work with a new Epson. However, the workaround is to use the initialization sequence with the epson to put it into a strange mode (like a line-feed of 1/2 a normal line feed) and use SCONFIG with an ordinary printer setup to get it to work properly. I am now using it on a DEC VT180 and use the Apple as a game/SoundChaser-synthisizer machine only. I still use the Epson. I hope the Superterm is a more civilized piece of hardware under CP/M than the CCS board is. I would have had any problems if the BIOS had handled the interrupts from the card properly. Good Luck, Jon