3-Mar-86 06:05:05-MST,582;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 06:04:49-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000447; 3 Mar 86 7:23 EST Received: from ($MAILER)UMDB.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/01/86 at 18:37:00 CST Received: by UMDB (Mailer X1.23b) id 2994; Sat, 01 Mar 86 19:28:59 EST Date: Sat, 1 Mar 86 19:28 EST From: MKATZ%UMDB.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Please add me to the mailing list for info-cpm. Manasseh Katz MKATZ@UMDB.BITNET 3-Mar-86 08:37:29-MST,773;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 08:37:19-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001463; 3 Mar 86 7:48 EST Date: Sat 1 Mar 86 15:50:59-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: ZSYS updates To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12187324140.6.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Z-NEWS.405/4Q5 are now in PD: and PD:. A new ZSIG contribution, ZPUZL11.LBR, is in PD:, as well as a file talking about the ZSIG public domain archives and its membership. This file is ZSIG-FOR.ALL. I am very pleased to see ZSIG formed. I am sure it will make an outstanding contribution to and be of significant value to the Z System community. Rick ------- 3-Mar-86 09:06:28-MST,1454;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 09:06:21-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002596; 3 Mar 86 8:30 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a010877; 2 Mar 86 14:12 EST From: Ross Alford Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: NEC 8401 questions Message-ID: <1246@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: 1 Mar 86 04:52:23 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I'm looking at laptops, and am curious about the NEC 8401. I'd be interested in hearing anything about this machine. I also have several specific questions: 1) Is there an xmodem protocol file transfer program available for it? 2) Will CP/M save/load programs from cassette? Is the cassette device a standard recorder, or is it necessary to buy one from NEC? 3) Is all of the ROM software accessible without any chip swapping (Portable WordStar, Calc, Filer, Telcom.) 4) If there IS an xmodem program available, how in the world do you bootstrap it in for the first time, given that there's no built-in programming language? Is there a user's group that distributes things on cassette? As a dedicated CP/M user, this machine has a lot of appeal, but there are no dealers in the state of NC (according to NEC) so information is hard to come by. Thank you, Ross Alford ...{decvax, akgua, ihnp4}!mcnc!ecsvax!alford 3-Mar-86 09:24:10-MST,2035;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 09:23:52-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000693; 3 Mar 86 7:29 EST Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1986 10:59 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Quick reference list to SIMTEL20 CP/M directories Quick reference list to SIMTEL20's PD: directories as of March 2, 1986 (where 'x' is one of the names below): 22RSX COBOL FINANCE MODEM SQUSQ 6502 COMMODORE FORTH-83 MODEM2 STARTER-KIT AMETHYST COMND FORTRAN MODEM7 SUBMIT APPLE CPM3 GENASM MSOFT SYSUTL ASMUTL CPM86 GENCOM NEWS T20-SQUSQ ATARI CPMLIB GENDOC NSTAR TELEFONE AZTEC-C CPR86 HAMMING OSBORN TERM BASIC CUG HAMRADIO PACKET TOPS-20 BDOS DBASEII HDUTL PASCAL TRS-80 BDSC-1 DEBUG HEATH PCPURSUIT TURBODOS BDSC-2 DIRUTL HELP PILOT80 TURBOPAS BDSC-3 DISASM HEX PLOT33 TXTUTL BDSC-4 DISKPLOT IMP PPSPEL VAXVMS BSTAM DSKBUF INSIDCPM PUBKEY VDOEDIT BYE3 DSKUTL KAYPRO PUBPATCH VOICE BYE5 EDITC80 LIST RBBS WSTAR BYT85FEB EDITOR MACLIB RBBS4 XCCP BYT85JAN EMX MATH RCPM XLISP C80 EPSON MBBS ROS YAM CATLOG EZCPR MEMTEST SMALLC21 Z8EDEBUG CB80 FAST2 MEX SORT ZCPR CBIOS FILCPY MICNET SPELL ZCPR2 CCP FILUTL MISC SQU-PORT 3-Mar-86 09:30:10-MST,1208;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 09:29:59-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000941; 3 Mar 86 7:35 EST Received: from mit-eddie.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id a001402; 2 Mar 86 14:58 EST Received: from deep-thought.mit.edu by EDDIE (5.31/4.7) id AA18118; Sun, 2 Mar 86 14:32:50 EST Date: Sun 2 Mar 86 14:33:52-EST From: Andrew Moore Subject: What happened to DUAL$IO? To: info-cpm@BRL.ARPA Message-Id: <12187550399.26.T.MOORE@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU> I am trying to locate a BYE program with the DUAL$IO equate still in tact. MBYE, BYE503, and BYE339 do not have DUAL$IO, at least not labeled exactly as "DUAL$IO". I need to implement BYE on a Xerox 16/8 system; it will run both procesessors as long as there is nothing being sent to the screen on the Z-80. If I can enable DIAL$IO, I can run BYE and use the system's CP/M-86 side at the same time. I would appreciate it if someone could point me to a BYE program that still has this equate. -drew arpa: MOORE%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA uucp: ...mit-eddie!moore us: Box 121, North Quincy, MA 02171 ------- 3-Mar-86 09:40:04-MST,626;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 09:39:54-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001142; 3 Mar 86 7:39 EST Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1986 17:49 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: New Z-System files available New Z-System files now available from SIMTEL20: In PD: ZNODES19.LST ZWORD3.TXT In PD: Z-NEWS.4Q3, 4Q4 In PD: ZNODES19.LST ZWORD3.TXT --Keith 3-Mar-86 09:43:57-MST,1060;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 09:43:38-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa02596; 3 Mar 86 8:30 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011397; 2 Mar 86 14:57 EST From: Richard Jennings Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: GSX on CP/M+ Message-ID: <144@sage.cs.reading.UUCP> Date: 24 Feb 86 13:55:08 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Fellow DR-cursers.... I've just got my grubby mits on DR Draw (quite nice) and have a problem: I can't find any info. on writing a device driver for GSX. I've got this non- standard plotter y'see (Silver Reed EB50) and I'd like to use it 'cos it's got 4 colo(u)rs and the definition is nice and high, but all the manuals I can find just say something helpful like, "GSX is great" and, "GSX is truly the best thing since sliced silicon", and...well, you get the picture. Can any clever bods out there help a poor, lost soul such as myself? Ta. in advance. 3-Mar-86 09:52:37-MST,842;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 09:52:29-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001012; 3 Mar 86 7:41 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a008489; 2 Mar 86 10:24 EST From: znac264 Newsgroups: net.lang.apl,net.micro.cpm,net.wanted.sources Subject: APL for CP/M?? Message-ID: <637@neon.kcl-cs.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 86 17:18:12 GMT Xref: seismo net.lang.apl:187 net.micro.cpm:5652 net.wanted.sources:2095 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Does anyone have a public domain APL interpreter for CP/M. I have heard of Micro APL but it is rumored to be expensive. If no one has APL for CPM perhaps the is a public domain APL written in C that I could translate for my poor CP/M system! Thanx. Alun Jenkins 3-Mar-86 10:09:05-MST,706;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 10:08:52-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001396; 3 Mar 86 7:46 EST Received: from cadre.dsl (CADRE.DSL.PITTSBURGH.EDU.#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 1 Mar 86 11:56:07-MST Received: by PITTSBURGH.EDU (5.31/5.14) id AA15068; Sat, 1 Mar 86 13:55:32 EST Date: Sat, 1 Mar 86 13:55:32 EST From: "Gordon E. Banks" Message-Id: <8603011855.AA15068@PITTSBURGH.EDU> To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: pc-blue.cat pc-blue.cat seems to have disappeared. It was very helpful to see what programs were without having to ftp the catalog on each volume. 3-Mar-86 10:26:30-MST,1022;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 10:26:24-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001918; 3 Mar 86 8:05 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a009125; 2 Mar 86 11:05 EST From: Melinda Shore Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: GSX on CP/M+ Message-ID: <1750@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 86 01:45:07 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [] What you're looking for is DR's GSX Programmer's Guide. I purchased mine directly from them several years ago; I assume it's still possible to do so. The manual contains all the information that you'll need on data structures and formats, and is surprisingly clear. -- Melinda Shore ..!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!shor University of Chicago Computation Center Staff.Melinda%chip@UChicago.Bitnet " ... a statement made while looking backwards will have its wrong end in front." [F. Huxley] 3-Mar-86 10:31:43-MST,3758;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 10:31:26-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id ab02596; 3 Mar 86 8:30 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011886; 2 Mar 86 15:30 EST From: pete%stc.co.uk@BRL.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: ZCPR3 STARTUP Message-ID: <847@bute.tcom.stc.co.uk> Date: 25 Feb 86 14:03:56 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA My attempts to mail this have bounced twice now so, with apologies, here it is for everyone: > Rick: > > After much experimenting, I have gotten ZCPR3 up and running on > my H89, using a BIOS mod written by Jerry Furst. One problem, > however: > > 1. ZCPR3 (correctly) expects to find STARTUP.COM and tries to run > it on cold boot. > > 2. I created STARTUP.COM using ALIAS, consisting only of the LDR > commands needed to load the system segments. > > 3. When ZCPR3 tries to run this ALIAS, it returns either an > "Ovfl" error, or it fills the Shell Stack. (Didn't think ALIAS > used the Shell Stack!) > > 4. If I run the same ALIAS (STARTUP) from the ZCPR3 prompt, it > works fine. > > I spoke with Jerry Furst, the BIOS mod author, and he reported > that he had the same problem. He was able to work around only by > using the ZCPR2 STARTUP.COM program. > > The STARTUP feature is important to making these systems turn-key > for users. I can only figure that something is going wrong in > trying to load the system segments. > > Help, please. What's happening here? Has this affected anyone > else? How do I fix it? > > Once I get this licked, I'll upload Jerry's auto-install ZCPR3 > files for the H89 with this fix included. He has done a nice > job, and you can install ZCPR3 from scratch on an H89 in about 75 > minutes without a hitch. > > Thanks in advance. > > ...Dick Stanley > > stanley@isif I had similar problems with ZCPR3 on my Gemini (British) system. In my case neither LDR or ALIAS would work until the whole Z-system was running. I wrote a small 'C' program to substitute for LDR. Then I found the answer. Which was to reassemble ALIAS and LDR from scratch. Not only the SYSENV.LIB file but also all those others like Z3HDR.LIB and CBIOSHDR.LIB get included. Having done this everything was fine. It seems that for everything that runs BEFORE the environment is installed, using Z3INS is not enough. BTW, I had a small but annoying problem when linking ALIAS and LDR. The libraries that come with the distribution disks (I got mine from the New Jersey group via the British CPMUG) were assembled with a version of M80 that only puts the first 6 characters of names in the .REL file, while my copy of M80 exports 8 characters. This caused some names not to match at link time. I worked round this by fixing the sources of ALIAS and LDR. If I wanted to reassemble a lot of utilities I'd rebuild the libraries. Now for a question. Does your PATH work correctly? At boot time one of the programs in my STARTUP script downloads various utilities to my RAMDISK. However I haven't been able to get the path searching to go for this disk before the currently logged-in disk. This is nullifying the use of the RAMDISK, which I went for as an alternative to a number of RCPs. Any help anyone could offer would be much appreciated. Peter Kendell ...!mcvax!ukc!stc!pete "The ultimate expression of law isn't order; it's prison" -- Peter Kendell ...!mcvax!ukc!stc!pete "The ultimate expression of law isn't order; it's prison" 3-Mar-86 10:57:27-MST,876;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 10:57:16-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id ac02596; 3 Mar 86 8:31 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a013789; 2 Mar 86 17:21 EST From: Mike Ewan Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: VI for CP/M Message-ID: <6693@tektronix.UUCP> Date: 26 Feb 86 16:55:42 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Does any one know of a vi like editor for CP/M. I'm tired of having to switch back and forth from vi at work to wordstar at home. I have express but it's not quite the same. I know there is vi for the IBM-PC, which probably means the powers that be will totally ignore millions of CP/M users again. Thanks in advance for any pointers in the right direction. Mike Ewan Tektronix Inc. 503-627-6468 3-Mar-86 12:51:39-MST,702;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 12:51:26-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016214; 3 Mar 86 13:52 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a004036; 3 Mar 86 13:47 EST From: edwards%h-sc2.uucp@BRL.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: ZCPR3 on Osborne 1 (DD) Message-ID: <885@h-sc2.UUCP> Date: 2 Mar 86 23:43:30 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Has anyone actually succeeded in installing it? Please reply to me by mail. Thanks! Bill Edwards edwards@harvard.harvard.EDU (ARPA) ...!harvard!edwards ...!wjh12!edwards 3-Mar-86 15:25:27-MST,754;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 15:25:14-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020013; 3 Mar 86 15:30 EST Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1986 13:31 MST Message-ID: From: "Frank J. Wancho" To: "Gordon E. Banks" Cc: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: pc-blue.cat In-reply-to: Msg of 1 Mar 1986 11:55-MST from Gordon E. Banks Gordon, See PD:PCBLUE.CAT. We carry the collection as-is. If Hank Kee elects to change the name of the files in Volume 000 (reissued with each major update set), we don't take it upon ourselves to name it back. --Frank 3-Mar-86 15:33:40-MST,951;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 15:33:26-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018752; 3 Mar 86 14:56 EST Received: from (MATT)UMASS.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/03/86 at 13:57:06 CST Message-ID: <860303145511.00000A86.BOVD.AA@UMass> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 86 14:55:11 EST From: Matt Kimmel Subject: Downloading? To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Hi, This may sounds like a stupid question, but.. I read that this Bulletin Board has CP/M programs avaliable for downloading. If this is true, how can I obtain a directory of them, and download a file? Is there a help file on it anywhere? If so, how can I access it? Please respond over this Bulletin Board or to: Matt%Umass.Bitnet@Wiscvm.ARPA Thanks! Matt Kimmel 3-Mar-86 16:44:55-MST,1285;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Mar 86 16:44:41-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000524; 3 Mar 86 18:20 EST Date: Mon 3 Mar 86 16:18:56-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: New ZSYS files et al To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12187853515.17.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> History Shell version 1.4 (HSH14) is now in PD: as HSH14.LBR. Old versions of HSH have been deleted. The latest Z Helper roster, ZHELPR15.RAS, is now in PD:. This lists people who are interested in helping out others in bringing up Z3 and the Z System. I noted to recent message to INFO-CPM which asked about Morrow implementations ... at least one Morrow helper is on this list. Also, re a recent message about problems with LDR from SIG/M, the Z3 files in SIG/M are about 2 years old. Several problems have been corrected, and LDR in particular has gone thru at least 3 revisions. See the PD: archive on SIMTEL20 for the latest. The Z-Nodes and Echelon also carry it. Also, the Z-News letters from Echelon are good information sources for changes to all the Z3 programs. All Z-News newsletters are in PD: on SIMTEL20. Rick ------- 4-Mar-86 04:47:29-MST,1674;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 4 Mar 86 04:47:23-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002336; 4 Mar 86 6:11 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a006685; 4 Mar 86 6:00 EST From: "Mark T. Ganzer" Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm,net.wanted.sources Subject: Wanted: Kermit-80 Patch for Apple w/Premium Softcard IIe Message-ID: <141@trout.UUCP> Date: 4 Mar 86 00:28:32 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:2805 net.micro.cpm:5665 net.wanted.sources:2102 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am looking for a Kermit-80 (CP/M-80) overlay or patch that will work on the Microsoft Premium Softcard IIe. The standard Apple CP/M version of Kermit does not work with this card, since it was written for the original Softcard which accesses I/O through the memory- mapped locations in the Apple's memory. The Premium Softcard IIe card contains its own memory and performs I/O through the 6502 micro- processor using a 6502 BIOS program. Unfortunately, I am not fluent in 8080 assembly language, nor do I have a "Premium Softcard IIe System Programmers Manual" that I could reference to construct a patch. Has anyone out there made this patch or know where I could find one? I am running CP/M Version 2.25 and have a Super Serial Card in Slot 2. This may be a common problem. I assume this problem also occurs with the new Softcard II, since it also contains its own memory onboard. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance Mark Ganzer Naval Ocean Systems Center (619) 225-2555 4-Mar-86 09:16:48-MST,679;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 4 Mar 86 09:16:40-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008895; 4 Mar 86 10:25 EST Date: Tue, 4 Mar 86 10:24:02 EST From: Herb Lin Subject: printers.. To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: LIN@mit-mc.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].838217.860304.LIN> Anyone know how to tell if a dot-matrix print head needs replacement? I've has an Epson FX-80 head for about 6 M characters, and the print quality is going down (tops of letters like "h" and "l" are not coming out). Am I due for a change? What's a good price on print heads? thanks. 4-Mar-86 14:08:05-MST,1198;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 4 Mar 86 14:07:56-MST Received: from rand-unix.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019194; 4 Mar 86 15:19 EST Received: from localhost by rand-unix.ARPA; Tue, 4 Mar 86 12:01:02 pst From: Chris McMenomy Message-Id: <8603042001.AA24156@rand-unix.ARPA> To: Herb Lin Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: christe@RAND-UNIX.ARPA Subject: Re: printers.. In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 4 Mar 86 10:24:02 EST. <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].838217.860304.LIN> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 86 12:00:49 PST Before you buy a replacement---try opening the print head from the back and putting a very small drop of fine grade machine oil (like sewing machine oil) on the rear of the pins. Then "exercise" the missing pins by printing lots of hhhhhh's and lllll's. This worked for us a year ago when we lost the descender pins on our Epson Fx-80 and we have had no further trouble. The oil will cost about $2-3 dollars for a full bottle, (available at the local drug store) and a print head will run between $80-100. Christe McMenomy Rand Corporation christe@rand-unix 5-Mar-86 07:44:29-MST,718;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 5 Mar 86 07:44:22-MST Received: from dockmaster.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000931; 5 Mar 86 9:00 EST Date: Wed, 5 Mar 86 08:54 EST From: "Paul E. Woodie" Subject: Kermit for cpm 3.0 osborne ex To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860305135403.399262@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> I have a version of kermit (originally written in turbo pascal) that I modified to work on my osborne executive (cp/m 3.0). I seem to be having difficulty getting it to simtel20 in one piece, but hope to have it there soon! (I'm having problems with transfers from my pc to my host to simtel20.) --Paul Woodie 5-Mar-86 14:09:47-MST,698;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 5 Mar 86 14:09:36-MST Received: from sdcsvax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005902; 5 Mar 86 12:13 EST Received: by sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (5.31/4.41) id AA07627; Wed, 5 Mar 86 09:12:53 PST hops=0 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 86 09:12:53 PST From: George Lewak Message-Id: <8603051712.AA07627@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Add me to your mailing list please Here at wolf.uucp we don't have news, so could you add me to your cp/m mailing list? John Antypas ...!sdcsvax!jantypas jantypas@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu { These area aliases to my accounts on wolf } 5-Mar-86 19:47:12-MST,1333;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 5 Mar 86 19:47:05-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002436; 5 Mar 86 18:38 EST Received: from PinotNoir.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 05 MAR 86 12:30:18 PST Date: 5 Mar 86 12:29 PST From: Ghenis.pasa@xerox.ARPA Subject: Re: Printer maintenance In-reply-to: Herb Lin 's message of Tue, 4 Mar 86 10:24:02 EST To: LIN@mit-mc.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, info-micro@BRL-VGR.ARPA, INFO-IBMPC@USC-ISIB.ARPA Message-ID: <860305-123018-175@Xerox> ----------- >Anyone know how to tell if a dot-matrix print head needs replacement? >I've has an Epson FX-80 head for about 6 M characters, and the print >quality is going down (tops of letters like "h" and "l" are not coming >out). Am I due for a change? What's a good price on print heads? ----------- Before you throw away your print head, try wiping the pins with alcohol. This will remove any ink residue (picked up from the ribbon) that might be jamming some of the pins. This has worked very well for me in the past on my NEC 8023. Another thing to check is the little tin ribbon guide, which is also a "mask"; if it is slightly out of line it will block either the upper or lower pins, producing incomplete characters. Good luck! 6-Mar-86 06:59:55-MST,5284;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 6 Mar 86 06:58:49-MST Received: from usc-isif.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006898; 6 Mar 86 8:09 EST Date: 6 Mar 1986 05:02-PST Sender: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA Subject: Re: ZCPR3 STARTUP From: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA To: pete%stc.co.uk@BRL.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISIF.ARPA] 6-Mar-86 05:02:10.STANLEY> In-Reply-To: <847@bute.tcom.stc.co.uk> Received: FROM USC-ECLB.ARPA BY USC-ISIF.ARPA WITH TCP ; 3 Mar 86 09:39:17 PST from AMSAA.ARPA by USC-ECLB.ARPA; Mon 3 Mar 86 09:38:29-PST from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id ab02596; 3 Mar 86 8:30 EST from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011886; 2 Mar 86 15:30 EST Date: 25 Feb 86 14:03:56 GMT From: pete%stc.co.uk@BRL.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: ZCPR3 STARTUP Return-Path: <@USC-ECLB.ARPA:info-cpm-request@AMSAA> Message-ID: <847@bute.tcom.stc.co.uk> Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm My attempts to mail this have bounced twice now so, with apologies, here it is for everyone: > Rick: > > After much experimenting, I have gotten ZCPR3 up and running on > my H89, using a BIOS mod written by Jerry Furst. One problem, > however: > > 1. ZCPR3 (correctly) expects to find STARTUP.COM and tries to run > it on cold boot. > > 2. I created STARTUP.COM using ALIAS, consisting only of the LDR > commands needed to load the system segments. > > 3. When ZCPR3 tries to run this ALIAS, it returns either an > "Ovfl" error, or it fills the Shell Stack. (Didn't think ALIAS > used the Shell Stack!) > > 4. If I run the same ALIAS (STARTUP) from the ZCPR3 prompt, it > works fine. > > I spoke with Jerry Furst, the BIOS mod author, and he reported > that he had the same problem. He was able to work around only by > using the ZCPR2 STARTUP.COM program. > > The STARTUP feature is important to making these systems turn-key > for users. I can only figure that something is going wrong in > trying to load the system segments. > > Help, please. What's happening here? Has this affected anyone > else? How do I fix it? > > Once I get this licked, I'll upload Jerry's auto-install ZCPR3 > files for the H89 with this fix included. He has done a nice > job, and you can install ZCPR3 from scratch on an H89 in about 75 > minutes without a hitch. > > Thanks in advance. > > ...Dick Stanley > > stanley@isif I had similar problems with ZCPR3 on my Gemini (British) system. In my case neither LDR or ALIAS would work until the whole Z-system was running. I wrote a small 'C' program to substitute for LDR. Then I found the answer. Which was to reassemble ALIAS and LDR from scratch. Not only the SYSENV.LIB file but also all those others like Z3HDR.LIB and CBIOSHDR.LIB get included. Having done this everything was fine. It seems that for everything that runs BEFORE the environment is installed, using Z3INS is not enough. BTW, I had a small but annoying problem when linking ALIAS and LDR. The libraries that come with the distribution disks (I got mine from the New Jersey group via the British CPMUG) were assembled with a version of M80 that only puts the first 6 characters of names in the .REL file, while my copy of M80 exports 8 characters. This caused some names not to match at link time. I worked round this by fixing the sources of ALIAS and LDR. If I wanted to reassemble a lot of utilities I'd rebuild the libraries. Now for a question. Does your PATH work correctly? At boot time one of the programs in my STARTUP script downloads various utilities to my RAMDISK. However I haven't been able to get the path searching to go for this disk before the currently logged-in disk. This is nullifying the use of the RAMDISK, which I went for as an alternative to a number of RCPs. Any help anyone could offer would be much appreciated. Peter Kendell ...!mcvax!ukc!stc!pete "The ultimate expression of law isn't order; it's prison" -- Peter Kendell ...!mcvax!ukc!stc!pete "The ultimate expression of law isn't order; it's prison" -------------------- Peter, Yes, my PATH does work properly. However, I set the path using PATH.COM, and noit as part of the BIOS initialization. PATH.COM is called by the STARTUP alias and is used with my RAM disk. It works fine. In fact, one of the reasons I wanted to get ZCPR3 up was to avoid losing the >SUB file tail on the default when the RAM disk was activated. BTW, did you notice my later note on the fix for getting STARTUP to run correctly? You must put the address of Z3CL into Z3ENV+18H at initialization time. When you do that, it all works fine. ...Dick Stanley stanley@isif 6-Mar-86 09:57:25-MST,668;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 6 Mar 86 09:57:16-MST Received: from sdcsvax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017096; 6 Mar 86 11:15 EST Received: by sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (5.31/4.41) id AA04245; Thu, 6 Mar 86 08:13:23 PST hops=0 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 86 08:13:23 PST From: George Lewak Message-Id: <8603061613.AA04245@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Please add me to your mailing list At wolf.UUCP where I normally am, we don't have news, so could you add me to the CP/M mailing list please. John Antypas ...!sdcsvax!jantypas jantypas@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu 7-Mar-86 07:15:46-MST,640;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 7 Mar 86 07:15:37-MST Received: from mitre.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009518; 7 Mar 86 8:39 EST Date: Fri, 7 Mar 86 08:39:15 est From: Thomas Reid Full-Name: Thomas Reid Message-Id: <8603071339.AA15039@mitre.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, info-micro@brl.ARPA Subject: SYCOR 350 Machine I have been offered one of the above boxes over the phone.I would appreciate hearing from anyone who knows anything about it; particularily, what CPU & O/S. Thank you. Tom Reid. 7-Mar-86 19:34:57-MST,519;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 7 Mar 86 19:34:46-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a029073; 7 Mar 86 21:06 EST Date: Fri 7 Mar 86 19:04:14-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: SF.COM updated To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12188932184.16.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> In PD:, SF.COM (the demo of the SFILER library) has been updated. This reflects a minor change to the SFILER library. Rick ------- 8-Mar-86 11:53:21-MST,1712;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 8 Mar 86 11:52:59-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003570; 8 Mar 86 13:14 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a008873; 8 Mar 86 12:56 EST From: "Joseph D. Shapiro" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: MORROW upgrade and user group Message-ID: <1098@bunker.UUCP> Date: 5 Mar 86 19:50:19 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [ here come da line eater ] In response to the individual who wanted information about Morrow micro decision computers: I am posting this to the net because email couldn't deliver. two vital sources of information: Micro Cornucpia (magazine) The Micro Technical Journal po box 223 bend, or 97709 Morrow Owners Review (magazine) POBox 5487 Berkeley CA 94705 MCIMail: MREVIEW (ID 217-1566) (415)-644-2638 And... Civil Computing Corporation (advertizes in MOR) 2111 Research Drive, Suite 1 Livermore, CA 94550 (415)-455-8086 sells MD2 - MD3 upgrade for $350 including installation, does not include shipping or tax on parts. MOR also sells PD software disks cheap, and so does Micro-C. I have an md11 and an md2, my dad has an md3. unfortunately, the md2 and md3 are about 1000 miles apart, so I cant do a visual for you. -- joe -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Joseph D. Shapiro "He who hesitates Bunker Ramo Information Systems is lunch" {bellcore, genrad, mcnc, sunybcs}\ {harpo, linus, decwrl, tektronix}->!decvax!ittvax!bunker!shap {dartvax, ucbvax, wanginst, yale}/ sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!bunker!shap 8-Mar-86 12:03:53-MST,930;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 8 Mar 86 12:03:46-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003665; 8 Mar 86 13:33 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a009259; 8 Mar 86 13:16 EST From: Tim Takahashi Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: What is ZRDOS? How do I get a copy? Message-ID: <265@ur-cvsvax.UUCP> Date: 5 Mar 86 16:37:26 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I'm a newcomer to the net, and would like to know what ZRDOS is? If it is what I think it is (a Unix-like shell for CP/M), can anybody tell me how to get a copy of it. I have an LNW-80 running CP/M 2.2 with a 60k TPA. I can read Osborne SD, Kaypro 40-tk SS/DD and Xerox 820 5 1/4 in. floppies. However, I would also need installation instructions. Tim Takahashi Ctr.for Vis. Sci. University of Rochester 8-Mar-86 15:00:08-MST,762;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 8 Mar 86 15:00:01-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004463; 8 Mar 86 16:36 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011225; 8 Mar 86 16:26 EST From: kdavis%okstate.uucp@BRL.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Need Programmer's Package for HP-12 Message-ID: <19800002@okstate.UUCP> Date: 4 Mar 86 19:37:00 GMT Nf-ID: #N:okstate.UUCP:19800002:000:185 Nf-From: okstate.UUCP!kdavis Mar 4 13:37:00 1986 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Need Programmer's Package for HP-125. HP no longer sells this product and it contains all the CPM utilities. Anyone having a copy please contact me. K. L. Davis kdavis@okstate.csnet 8-Mar-86 15:40:06-MST,635;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 8 Mar 86 15:40:00-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004584; 8 Mar 86 17:06 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011679; 8 Mar 86 16:50 EST From: "Steve Miller@ex6191" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: zcpr3.0 on a Zenith/Heath 89 Message-ID: <587@qantel.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 86 20:29:06 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Can anyone tell where I can get a copy of ZCPR 3.0 for a Zenith/Heath 89. I understand there are some changes needed to ZCPR to make it work. 8-Mar-86 16:48:24-MST,1858;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 8 Mar 86 16:48:17-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004799; 8 Mar 86 17:59 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a012965; 8 Mar 86 17:54 EST From: Kevin Flory Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: CCS: Company going under?/info needed Message-ID: <294@tolerant.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 86 19:17:29 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > Kevin Belles writes: > > One last thing; has anything special been done with a CCS 2810 > & 2422 board combination? We down here are especially looking for > interesting things done with the a custom BIOS, ie. CP/M 3+, > banking, ZCPR or Z-DOS , and MP/M implementations. We are trying > to do some interesting things with them, and would appreciate it > if any help or programs were sent our way. We are planning to > archive all info we get, and will be more than happy to > retransmit as needed. > > Thanks, > Kevin Belles > I currently have a BIOS for CPM 3 that I am currently debugging a driver for the CCS 2422, I am using a Cromemco SCC for the CPU but drivers will be available for the CCS 2810, Its just matter of supporting the UART. If you are interrested in abtaing this BIOS from me send me EMAIL. I am not currently ready to make it public domain (lack of documentation) but if your still interrested contact me. The BIOS is designed to be modular with seperate drivers for the various supportted boards. Currently I have drivers for the Cromemco SCC, Cromemco TUART, Xebec S1410 hard disk controller, Xebec SASI interface board for the S100 bus, NCR 5380 SCSI controller chip. Kevin Flory @ Tolerant Systems, San Jose, CA. 8-Mar-86 19:32:54-MST,594;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 8 Mar 86 19:32:49-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005473; 8 Mar 86 20:52 EST Date: Sat 8 Mar 86 18:51:11-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Z3/ZRDOS questions To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12189191953.22.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Most beginning questions about ZCPR3 and ZRDOS are answered in the file PD:ZWORD3.TXT. This document provides much information on the Z System and contains pointers on how to find out more. Rick ------- 10-Mar-86 06:19:51-MST,1523;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 10 Mar 86 06:19:38-MST Received: from usc-isif.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016046; 10 Mar 86 7:41 EST Date: 10 Mar 1986 04:38-PST Sender: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA Subject: Re: zcpr3.0 on a Zenith/Heath 89 From: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA To: miller%qantel.uucp@BRL.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISIF.ARPA]10-Mar-86 04:38:51.STANLEY> In-Reply-To: <587@qantel.UUCP> Received: FROM USC-ECLB.ARPA BY USC-ISIF.ARPA WITH TCP ; 8 Mar 86 14:44:07 PST from AMSAA.ARPA by USC-ECLB.ARPA; Sat 8 Mar 86 14:44:01-PST from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004584; 8 Mar 86 17:06 EST from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011679; 8 Mar 86 16:50 EST Date: 6 Mar 86 20:29:06 GMT From: "Steve Miller@ex6191" To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: zcpr3.0 on a Zenith/Heath 89 Return-Path: <@USC-ECLB.ARPA:info-cpm-request@AMSAA> Message-ID: <587@qantel.UUCP> Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Can anyone tell where I can get a copy of ZCPR 3.0 for a Zenith/Heath 89. I understand there are some changes needed to ZCPR to make it work. -------------------- You can get a diskette with everything you need to automatically modify your Heath BIOS, and also step-by-step installation instructions, from Wheeler Associates, Ltd., PO Box 9512, Alexandria, VA 22304. The basic diskette is $10.95. 10-Mar-86 07:58:02-MST,1294;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 10 Mar 86 07:57:49-MST Received: from cmu-cs-a.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020504; 10 Mar 86 9:24 EST Date: Mon, 10 Mar 86 09:21 EST From: Paul.Birkel@cmu-cs-a.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: dBase II/ZIP Initialization Message-Id: <10Mar86.092139.PB80@A.CS.CMU.EDU> I've changed my terminal, and now have a slight problem with the terminal drivers in my dBase II and ZIP software. Both came with an installation COM file, but the files are now irrevocably trashed. Sigh. Fortunately the dUTIL and QuickCode install files are OK. My problem is minimal; the screen clear function needs to be redefined. Everything else is OK (thank goodness). Although I can hack around this in dBase by outputing 25 blank lines (how crass), I'm stuck with background garbage in ZIP. My dBase II is Ver. 2.4 and I think the INSTALL.COM file was ver. 2.9, but I'm not sure. ZIP version is unknown, but it is of the same vintage. It's install file is called ZIPIN.COM. Can anyone identify the appropriate patch point for these two packages, or does anyone actually have the appropriate installation files? Thanks. They're still usable without re-installation, but what a pain! paul 11-Mar-86 09:06:14-MST,860;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 11 Mar 86 09:05:29-MST Received: from cmu-cs-a.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a022306; 11 Mar 86 10:28 EST Date: Tue, 11 Mar 86 10:20 EST From: Paul.Birkel@cmu-cs-a.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Micro-Cornucopia Issues Message-Id: <11Mar86.102023.PB80@A.CS.CMU.EDU> I'd like to obtain copies of two issues of Micro-Cornucopia, but unfortunately M-C tells me that they are out-of-print. Even they haven't a single copy for their own reference! A sorry state of affairs. Anyway, I'd like to obtain copies of Issues No. 10 (2/83) and 11 (4/83). They were 36 pages each. I willing to pay whatever is required to cover the costs of copying, S&H, and for your time. Please let me know if you, or someone you know could help me out. Thanks, paul 11-Mar-86 18:39:06-MST,752;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 11 Mar 86 18:39:00-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007325; 11 Mar 86 20:07 EST Received: from (MATT)UMASS.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/11/86 at 19:03:37 CST Message-ID: <860311200502.0000014D.AGWB.AA@UMass> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 86 20:05:02 EST From: Matt Kimmel Subject: Pascal for CP/M? To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Hi, Does anyone know of a good public domain (or freeware) Pascal compiler for CP/M? If so, please let me know how I can obtain it. Send a letter to this file or to Matt%UMass.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA. Thanks! Matt Kimmel 11-Mar-86 20:42:31-MST,800;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 11 Mar 86 20:42:09-MST Received: from mitre.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007703; 11 Mar 86 22:12 EST Date: Tue, 11 Mar 86 22:11:28 est From: Thomas Reid Full-Name: Thomas Reid Message-Id: <8603120311.AA14707@mitre.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. To: Matt%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: Pascal for CP/M? Matt: I know of no "robust" PD Pascal compiler - there are several based on the Pascal0 in Algorithms + Data Structures = Programs by Niklaus Wirth but they are small subsets. Sport the $49 (originally - now more) for Turbo Pascal by Borland. There is a ton of PD programs written for it on various bulletin boards. 12-Mar-86 01:42:23-MST,1175;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 12 Mar 86 01:42:17-MST Received: from csnet-pdn-gw.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008048; 12 Mar 86 2:51 EST Received: from ubc by csnet-relay.csnet id ag04177; 12 Mar 86 1:13 EST Date: Tue, 11 Mar 86 15:59:50 pst Received: by ubc.csnet id AA00887; Tue, 11 Mar 86 15:59:50 pst From: Richard Anderson To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-Id: <22:anderson@stormy.arc.cdn> Subject: CP/M on Commodore 128 Return-Receipt-To: Richard Anderson I have only been registered with this message system for a couple days now but it seems that there is a lot of information available. I have a couple questions; 1) Has anybody used CP/M on the Commodore 128? and if so, is the CP/M rather standard or are there annoying idiosyncrasies? I am new to the C128 as well, only having my system for about 2 weeks which brings me to the next question.... 2) Is there a distribution list similar to say ATARI8 or ATARI16 for the c C128? If so, how can i get on it? Richard Anderson 12-Mar-86 06:54:26-MST,1597;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 12 Mar 86 06:54:16-MST Received: from apg-1.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011304; 12 Mar 86 8:09 EST Date: Wed, 12 Mar 86 7:52:14 EST From: Robert Bloom AMSTE-TEI 3775 Subject: Re: Pascal for CP/M? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 11 Mar 86 20:05:02 EST To: Matt Kimmel Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I have to second Tom Reid's answer about Pascals - Turbo is the best available and is cheap besides. If you run a IBM-clone it is very cheap - of the order of $29 from mail order houses. On the other hand, if it's CP/M-80 that you're looking for not CP/M-88 or -86; it a bit more expensive. I went through a long painfull process to buy a CP/M-80 version at a reasonable price - best I could do was $59 from Programmers Shop. (Good place to deal with - most places don't know what CP/M is - one dodo even asked if it was IBM-compatible!) Alternately, dealling directly with Borland is not too bad either - if I were to do it all again I would probably deal direct and hange the hassle. BTW, it really is as good as all the reviews say. I'm not a pro programmer, had to buy it for a college course I'm taking as I couldn't get to the supplied computer... (I hesitate to say this, but there *is* a P.D. Pascal compiler in the simtel20 archives SIG/M vol something-or-the-other. It is JRT Pascal and I've been told it's not worth the 'cost' of downloading. I haven't tried it, and know of no one that likes or uses it.) 12-Mar-86 07:01:50-MST,788;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 12 Mar 86 07:01:43-MST Received: from mitre.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011981; 12 Mar 86 8:19 EST Date: Wed, 12 Mar 86 08:19:25 est From: Thomas Reid Full-Name: Thomas Reid Message-Id: <8603121319.AA17985@mitre.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: RePD CP/M Pascal Cc: Garf@mailer.cy175 Matt: I know of no "robust" PD Pascal compiler - there are several based on the Pascal0 in Algorithms + Data Structures = Programs by Niklaus Wirth but they are small subsets. Sport the $49 (originally - now more) for Turbo Pascal by Borland. There is a ton of PD programs written for it on various bulletin boards. 12-Mar-86 07:46:30-MST,1420;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 12 Mar 86 07:46:22-MST Received: from mitre-bedford.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012302; 12 Mar 86 8:29 EST Full-Name: Trevor O. McCarthy Message-Id: <8603121326.AA01200@mitre-bedford.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA To: matt%umass.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA Subject: Re: Pascal for CP/M? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 11 Mar 86 20:05:02 EST. <860311200502.0000014D.AGWB.AA@UMass> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 86 08:26:29 -0500 From: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA Hi: Why use "free" Pascal? Turbo Pascal is: 1 cheap. 2 reasonably well documented and supported by Borland. 3 very well Known by all and sundry. 4 fast and compact. If Turbo Pascal doesn't suit you, there is always 'NEVADA' Pascal by Ellis Computing; however, this Pascal is somewhat simplistic and requires a separate editor to create source code - where Turbo Pascal provides a nice little full screen editor. Ellis technical support ranges from nill to worse than none; all in all I don't recommend them. Turbo Pascal can be optained with tutorial documentation and disks for under $100.00. Why go with the obscure and generic when you can have a 'standard' without mortgaging your life away? Trevor McCarthy The MITRE Corporation 12-Mar-86 14:04:07-MST,1091;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 12 Mar 86 14:03:46-MST Date: Wed, 12 Mar 86 15:14:16 EST From: James Pierson (CSD) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: pierson@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Where can one get Wordstar for CPM3 ? I am a relatively new member of this net and am trying to obtain a copy of wordstar for my Commodore 128. It comes with CPM 3.0. I have called DS and they informed me that the most current version they had of wordstar was under CPM 2.2 on an 8" disk. Questions follow: 1. Can CPM 3.0 operate, with full compatability, CPM 2.2 software? (Given that it is on a 5 1/4" format) 2. Where can I get wordstar for CPM? I am getting ready to attend a military school in June and a good word processor is necessary. No flames please since my wife is to attend the school also and she is already familiar with wordstar. (I was given an ultimatum either I get wordstar or I do all the word processing for the both of us!) Thanks in advvance. Jim 12-Mar-86 15:38:46-MST,628;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 12 Mar 86 15:38:34-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a029468; 12 Mar 86 17:12 EST Received: from Gamay.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 12 MAR 86 13:59:19 PST Date: Wed, 12 Mar 86 13:59 PST From: LShilkoff.ES@xerox.ARPA Subject: Re: CP/M on Commodore 128 In-reply-to: <22:anderson@stormy.arc.cdn> To: Richard Anderson cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860312-135919-1967@Xerox> I have run a program on a 128 and it's the same old standard CP/M 2.2. Larry 12-Mar-86 18:07:12-MST,949;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 12 Mar 86 18:07:03-MST Received: from mitre.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000403; 12 Mar 86 19:28 EST Date: Wed, 12 Mar 86 19:28:25 est From: Thomas Reid Full-Name: Thomas Reid Message-Id: <8603130028.AA05345@mitre.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, pierson@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: Where can one get Wordstar for CPM3 ? My bet is that almost anything working under cp/m 2.2 will work under 3.0. Otherwise, no one would buy 3.0. The best place to find a legal copy would be to look in magazines that cater to the 128 and find a mail order house that has ported the favorites over. You might try MicroPro to see if they have a 128 version, but they, along with Digital Research and the rest, have abandoned cp/m 80. They will probably still take your money if you force them. 12-Mar-86 18:17:53-MST,2063;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 12 Mar 86 18:17:45-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000457; 12 Mar 86 19:48 EST Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1986 17:46 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Uploads for SIMTEL20 - an alternative If you have some files to submit to the CP/M public domain collection at SIMTEL20 but you don't have access to a host that can FTP there, you can upload them to the CP/M area on GEnie at no charge and I'll see that they are forwarded to SIMTEL20. GEnie has local nodes in over 450 cities so there's a good chance of having one in your local calling area. It's a new nation-wide service similar to CompuServe. They have a free upload (turn the clock off) policy (during non-prime hours) in effect for the next three months. In addition, I just learned that they have a special no-charge sign-up deal until March 31st. There is no monthly minimum and the hourly rate for 300/1200 bps is only $5 during non-prime hours and on weekends/holidays. You can have a free look around and optional sign-up by doing the following: Dial 1-800-638-8369. Upon connection, enter HHH At the U#= prompt enter ^R5JM11973,GENIE and press return The ^R is of course a control-R. That turns on local node echo to give you an interface like you're used to. If you omit the control-R the node assumes you are doing your own local echo. This is not to be considered as a solicitation for you to sign up on GEnie for the purpose of downloading. It is for informational purposes only. They don't stand to profit if you sign up and upload for free. The free upload policy finally gives us a way for non-Internet readers to submit their programs to our collection. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA GEmail: W8SDZ uucp: {ihnp4,allegra,cmcl2,dual,decvax,mcnc,mcvax,vax135}!seismo!w8sdz 13-Mar-86 02:26:47-MST,866;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 13 Mar 86 02:26:41-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001317; 13 Mar 86 3:54 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a007553; 13 Mar 86 3:43 EST From: James Vienneau Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: NEED APPLE CP/M TERMINAL PROGRAM Message-ID: <2c6e3748.46b9@apollo.uucp> Date: 11 Mar 86 15:53:34 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:2830 net.micro.cpm:5687 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Does anybody have a terminal program that will run on an Apple II+ under CP/M with a Franklin CP/M card? I would like to have access to the CP/M public domain stuff ,but I need a terminal program to get started. I would be happy to send a s.a.s.e. and a blank floppy to make it as easy as possible. 13-Mar-86 06:27:57-MST,3147;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 13 Mar 86 06:27:45-MST Received: from usc-isif.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003209; 13 Mar 86 7:49 EST Date: 13 Mar 1986 04:46-PST Sender: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA Subject: Re: Uploads for SIMTEL20 - an alternative From: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA To: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISIF.ARPA]13-Mar-86 04:46:17.STANLEY> In-Reply-To: Received: FROM USC-ECLB.ARPA BY USC-ISIF.ARPA WITH TCP ; 12 Mar 86 17:24:31 PST from AMSAA.ARPA by USC-ECLB.ARPA; Wed 12 Mar 86 17:23:24-PST from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000457; 12 Mar 86 19:48 EST Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1986 17:46 MST From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Uploads for SIMTEL20 - an alternative Return-Path: <@USC-ECLB.ARPA:info-cpm-request@AMSAA> Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA If you have some files to submit to the CP/M public domain collection at SIMTEL20 but you don't have access to a host that can FTP there, you can upload them to the CP/M area on GEnie at no charge and I'll see that they are forwarded to SIMTEL20. GEnie has local nodes in over 450 cities so there's a good chance of having one in your local calling area. It's a new nation-wide service similar to CompuServe. They have a free upload (turn the clock off) policy (during non-prime hours) in effect for the next three months. In addition, I just learned that they have a special no-charge sign-up deal until March 31st. There is no monthly minimum and the hourly rate for 300/1200 bps is only $5 during non-prime hours and on weekends/holidays. You can have a free look around and optional sign-up by doing the following: Dial 1-800-638-8369. Upon connection, enter HHH At the U#= prompt enter ^R5JM11973,GENIE and press return The ^R is of course a control-R. That turns on local node echo to give you an interface like you're used to. If you omit the control-R the node assumes you are doing your own local echo. This is not to be considered as a solicitation for you to sign up on GEnie for the purpose of downloading. It is for informational purposes only. They don't stand to profit if you sign up and upload for free. The free upload policy finally gives us a way for non-Internet readers to submit their programs to our collection. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA GEmail: W8SDZ uucp: {ihnp4,allegra,cmcl2,dual,decvax,mcnc,mcvax,vax135}!seismo!w8sdz -------------------- Keith, Thanks for the poop on GEnie. Now, please -- if I DO have FTP access, what directory should I use on SIMTEL20 for uploads? (I didn't think the general directories were available for writing, to preserve configuration control). ...Dick Stanley 13-Mar-86 18:16:02-MST,720;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 13 Mar 86 18:15:50-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023352; 13 Mar 86 19:34 EST Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1986 17:32 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: FTP uploads for SIMTEL20 Anyone who has Internet FTP access to SIMTEL20 who would like to submit files to our CP/M public domain collection should send private netmail to me and I'll provide instructions on how to do it. There is a special directory set aside for this purpose. --Keith 13-Mar-86 22:48:30-MST,5239;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 13 Mar 86 22:48:14-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a024052; 13 Mar 86 23:56 EST Date: Wednesday, 12 March 1986 19:51-MST Message-ID: Sender: Bob Clements From: Bob Clements To: Keith Petersen Subject: W0RLI Packet Radio Mailbox/Gateway version 11.2 ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Thu 13 Mar 1986 21:54-MST Version 11.2 of the W0RLI MailBox/Gateway has been released. The binaries and documentation are in PAKT112A.LBR and the sources are in PAKT112B.LBR. These are now available from SIMTEL20 as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: PAKT112A.LBR.1 BINARY 108800 5FC0H PAKT112B.LBR.1 BINARY 145280 75A4H The changes since the last such posting, version 10.0, are summarized below in an extract from the CHANGES.TNC file. For those who have not seen this system before, a brief description: The W0RLI MailBox and GateWay is a system which runs on a Xerox 820 computer and which operates on Amateur Packet Radio via one or two TAPR TNCs (or clones). It also runs with TNC-2s (W3IWI is running one). The W0RLI system is running at over 75 sites in some number of countries and makes up the majority of the packet mail forwarding system. It is also used for gatewaying between local packet areas and long haul links on HF, or to nearby nets on other VHF/UHF bands. For a more complete description, see NOTES.TNC. Hank is not on ARPANET or Usenet. I will be glad to relay comments and questions to him. If you want the distribution on disk, send a self-addressed stamped 8" SSSD disk (in re-usable mailer) to Hank at his callbook address. Two disks if you want the sources as well. To reduce the load on Hank, I will do the same under the same conditions. I am also good in the Callbook. 73, Bob, K1BC ARPANET: CLEMENTS@BBN Usenet: {ihnp4, decvax, linus, ...}!bbncca!clements [Extract of CHANGES.TNC follows] W0RLI MailBox and GateWay Version 11.2 Changes and additions since version 11.1 are: Added DE (Display Excluded users). Added KF (Kill all forwarded). Added KM (Kill Mine) command. Added LF (list forwarded), LY (list read). Added P5 Y / P5 N (enable/disable kill after forward). Moved help and info text out of config, freeing some memory. Added $V, print changable parameter values. Changes and additions since version 11.0 are: No msg of day, very short menu for connect by bbs. Changes and additions since version 10.7 are: Added DB - display users maked as BBS. Added commands to set "allow only bbs" flags from menu: "P3 Y" or "P3 N" for COMM, P4 same for PRINTER. Added "allow bbs only" for COMM and PRINTER port. Added "is a bbs" tag in user record. Added login count to user record. GateWay connect to linked station now connects to distant GateWay, then brings up GateWay and connects to user. (This is NOT layer 3 ...) Added "P " - show path to user. Better command dispatcher. Changes and additions since version 10.6 are: Added DL, DS - display local and sysop users. Removed "call back" "is bbs" "mail drop" from user record. Beacon got non-local calls, fixed. Corrected error detection on S and M commands. Changes and additions since version 10.5 are: Added log file buffering. Added WA, WN, WS, AN, AS commands for file management. Added "N" command, user set own name. Removed extra writes of mail file header. W now lists $sys files if SYSOP. M command now parses @ and < correctly. Download of $sys files not allowed. Parallel printer code from k4nta into cbios.mac Addition of "B" command to GateWay menu. Changes and additions since version 10.4 are: Fix "EF" crash on insert of blank line. Addition of M command in gateway mode. Changes and additions since version 10.2 are: New user record not written until exit. Bad data if gate used. Addition of "EF" simple file editor. Bug fix, P1, P2 trashed "illegal call" flag. Beacon line now not show calls with msgs that will forward. V now gives "*** Done" when it finishes. Corrected handling of DEL for BS. Change to CBIOS.COM to do xon/xoff flow control. Fixed wrong msg # in svc msg text. Changes and additions since version 10.0 are: Service msg was not logged correctly. Added RM command: "Read Mine". Added k1bc's "P" command. Added optional call and I qualifier to X command. FWD.TNC parsing now ignores leading blanks, all text after call. Added MAIL.BAK and USER.BAK to configuration file. Can specify drive. Fixed loss of timeout if con req during disconnect sequence. Treat DEL same as BS from TNC. Added V command: copy file. Added logging for local user functions, switch in config to turn off. Call with all blanks hung system at connect. Fixed. Allow all legal file name chars. Zero digi allowed NO connects, fixed. Seperate "max digi counts" for each port. Max calls in "unread mail" list in config.tnc. [End of extract] 14-Mar-86 01:27:29-MST,897;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 14 Mar 86 01:27:22-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a024238; 14 Mar 86 2:51 EST Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1986 00:49 MST Message-ID: From: "Frank J. Wancho" To: INFO-IBMPC@USC-ISIB.ARPA, INFO-HZ100@RADC-TOPS20.ARPA Cc: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA, INFO-MICRO@BRL.ARPA Subject: More PC/BLUE Volumes Available Another batch of PC/BLUE volumes arrived yesterday and are now available in PD: through PD:, plus a new PD:, which includes a new PCBLUE.CAT in reverse order, all on SIMTEL20, of course. All of our so-called "public domain" collections are provided as-is and made available to the entire Internet community with access to DDN via ANONYMOUS FTP. --Frank 14-Mar-86 08:10:24-MST,710;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 14 Mar 86 08:10:03-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001080; 14 Mar 86 9:33 EST Date: Fri, 14 Mar 86 9:24:32 EST From: Steve Lesh (ISC) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: lesh@BRL.ARPA Subject: p-system to CP/M text file conversion Does anybody know of a p-system to CP/M text file conversion utility? I would like to use the auto-indentation feature for C source code entry (i.e. use the p-system editor). I would appreciate any suggestion concerning good C source code editors running under CP/M. Thanks in advance. Steven Lesh 14-Mar-86 13:02:21-MST,512;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 14 Mar 86 13:02:13-MST Received: from dockmaster.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007355; 14 Mar 86 14:23 EST Date: Fri, 14 Mar 86 14:19 EST From: "Paul E. Woodie" Subject: Osborne Exec Tech Info To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860314191904.974132@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> Can anyone tell me where I can buy at technical reference set for the Osborne Executive computer? --Paul Woodie 14-Mar-86 21:35:16-MST,444;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 14 Mar 86 21:34:33-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012716; 14 Mar 86 23:01 EST Date: 14 Mar 1986 22:58:14 EST From: INCO@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: PBBS To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: inco@USC-ISID.ARPA I have seen references to the new public domain BBS written in assembly.is it available yet? Thanks, Allan ------- 14-Mar-86 23:09:32-MST,1409;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 14 Mar 86 23:09:15-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012832; 15 Mar 86 0:40 EST Date: Sat, 15 Mar 86 00:38:11 EST From: Eric Stork Subject: dBASE Query To: STORK@mit-mc.ARPA, info-ibmpc@USC-ISIB.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].851485.860315.STORK> I need to know about compatibility between dBASEII CP/M and dBASEII IBM-PC/MS-DOS A friend wants to computerize his small business. I want to help him. I have CP/M and do not want to change to MS-DOS for myself, but he needs to go to MS-DOS instead of trying to use CP/M. My question: Is there any compatibility problem between dBASEII versiuons on the two operating systems? I plan to develop his system using CP/M, and then transfer the files (CMD and DBF, etc) to his MS-DOS system either by modem or by disk. But before we comitt to that approach, I need to know about any Gotchas that may lurk in the background. I know that there is incompatibility between dBASEII and dBASEIII, but that's not the issue we're considering. We need to know if there are problems between dBASEII across the CP/M and MS-DOS boundary. Please respond direct to STORK@MIT-MC, for I do not read infor-IBMPC. Will summarize and submit to nets if there is interest. Thnaks, Eric 15-Mar-86 02:30:28-MST,1042;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 15 Mar 86 02:30:21-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013156; 15 Mar 86 3:56 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a010729; 15 Mar 86 3:46 EST From: Bill Edwards Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,net.micro Subject: Installed ZCPR3 for Osborne 1 *and* for Kaypro 2X Message-ID: <775@harvard.UUCP> Date: 13 Mar 86 15:09:52 GMT Keywords: CP/M M80 L80 hacking Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:5697 net.micro:14748 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Does anybody have either or both of these? At best, I could get the files via ftp, but could also dial up the right BBS. At worst, they could be uuencoded and mailed, or I could even send disks. Thanks in advance! -- Bill Edwards edwards@harvard.UUCP Harvard Science Center edwards@harvard.harvard.EDU 1 Oxford Street ...!wjh12!h-sc4!edwards Cambridge, MA 02138 495-1268 ...!harvard!edwards The usual disclaimers... 15-Mar-86 08:32:56-MST,2580;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 15 Mar 86 08:32:33-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013791; 15 Mar 86 9:49 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a013546; 15 Mar 86 9:43 EST From: The Wumpus Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Where can one get Wordstar for CPM3 ? Message-ID: <55@ur-tut.UUCP> Date: 14 Mar 86 04:18:26 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > I am a relatively new member of this net and am trying to obtain a copy of > wordstar for my Commodore 128. It comes with CPM 3.0. I have called DS > and they informed me that the most current version they had of wordstar was > under CPM 2.2 on an 8" disk. Questions follow: > > 1. Can CPM 3.0 operate, with full compatability, CPM 2.2 software? (Given that > it is on a 5 1/4" format) > > 2. Where can I get wordstar for CPM? > From my breif experience with CPM 3.0 (I did a little testing of it for Xerox a few years ago) I discovered that everything I was using under version 2.2 worked well under version 3.0. The disk format should make no difference in how the system is run except for the amount of storage that is available on a disk (the previous is not quite true, but it is good enough as far as the normal user is concerned, No flames, further questions about the difference are accepted). In regards to WS. I would suggest that you try your freindly neighborhood computer store, or mail order computer store. WS should be available in almost every format of CP/m by now. You may have to do some installation of it to get the terminal drivers right on your computer. If you can't find a 5.25" version, there are many places that will transfer between media for a small sum of money. You may also try to find a person who has both 8 and 2.25" drives and can write on the 5.25" disk in a format that your computer can read. All 8" single sided, single density CP/m disks are interchangable, but not all 5.25" disks, or even other formats of 8" disks. I may be talked into doing the conversion for you if it is necessary, but I make no time guarantees. I have access to a Xerox 820-II and a Xerox 16/8PC with both 8" and 5.25" drives, but I have to be home to use it, and being at college for a good part of the year limits my use of it. If you have any other questions, please send me e-mail. The Wumpus UUCP: allegra!rochester!ur-tut!aptr BITNET: aptrccss@uorvm 15-Mar-86 09:10:18-MST,1860;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 15 Mar 86 09:09:52-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa13814; 15 Mar 86 10:18 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a014073; 15 Mar 86 10:06 EST From: Tom Keller Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Where can one get Wordstar for CPM3 ? Message-ID: <74@gilbbs.UUCP> Date: 13 Mar 86 21:46:22 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <1752@brl-smoke.ARPA>, treid@MITRE.ARPA writes: > My bet is that almost anything working under cp/m 2.2 will work under 3.0. > Otherwise, no one would buy 3.0. Unfortunately, this is not correct. Any *PROPERLY* written software that runs under CP/M 2.2 will probably operate under 3.0. Software which breaks the rules of good CP/M programming practice and make direct BIOS calls, however, will probably not work (though some will with the use of a PD RSX available through the user's group network). Also, many programs that manipulate the disk directories may fail, as DRI modified some of the directory manipulation structures, and also the banking creates a situation where some of the information on disks & directories which CP/M 2.2 expects to find in RAM is actuall in a switched-out bank. Thus, programs that use this information have to understand about CP/M 3 bank switching. Personally, I despise CP/M 2.2, and find CP/M 3.0 marginally acceptable. As it came with a system purchased for me by an employer to increase my productivity, I have it. I probably would not have purchased it myself. -- ==================================== Disclaimer: I hereby disclaim any and all responsibility for disclaimers. tom keller {ihnp4, dual}!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 (* we may not be big, but we're small! *) 15-Mar-86 09:33:01-MST,1024;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 15 Mar 86 09:32:51-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013814; 15 Mar 86 10:18 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a014068; 15 Mar 86 10:06 EST From: Dan'l Oakes Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Me & My Sanyo... Message-ID: <293@ptsfd.UUCP> Date: 13 Mar 86 19:18:29 GMT Keywords: Sanyo, MBC1000 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA People, do any of you out there in net.land know anything about Sanyo's machine called the MBC1000? It's a single-unit, single-floppy-drive CP/M-based system which I believe they don't make no more. In particular, I'd like to either get a decent spreadsheet program for it or make the CALC*STAR which was given me with it work. (I was given the program but not the Install program, and it's installed for the *wrong machine* -- teach me to buy a used computer...) Any information would be appreciated. Dan'l Danehy-Oakes 15-Mar-86 10:31:47-MST,5833;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 15 Mar 86 10:31:31-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013956; 15 Mar 86 12:00 EST Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1986 09:58 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: INCO@USC-ISID.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: PBBS Remote Bulletin Board now available from SIMTEL20 Now available from SIMTEL20: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: PBBS01.LBR.1 BINARY 199552 CFA6H PBBS is small and fast! It consumes less than 18 kilobytes of memory. PBBS is written in Z-80 assembler and requires M-80 and L-80 to assemble and link it. PBBS is a full featured remote bulletin board system that offers all of the user tracking features of E-MX, all of the features of RBBS, and several additional features unique to PBBS. The users file size is set at install time and does not grow for the life of the system. The user file is indexed using a simple hash algolrythm based on the users last name. This allows very rapid user look-up at signon and for message entry. On a system allowing 300 users the users file stays at 30k... the messages file will grow dynamically as messages are entered, however, since the messages are stored in a packed format, this file will grow much slower than the same file would in RBBS. All menus, bulletins, welcome, and news files are standard ASCII text files, created with any good editor. PBBS provides the following features: Extensive 8 level user profile Totally menu driven single character commands Up to 25 NEWS files A WELCOME message A BULLETIN message Built-in WHATSNEW and WHATSFOR display CHAT with settable access times FEEDBACK to sysop Public and Private Message system Automatic mail waiting lookup at login Highest message read counter User lookup based on last name List of last 20 logins with date and time Automatic User/Message file maintenance Optional CP/M access restriction Optional CP/M knowledge question Automatic file run on entry to CP/M BYE33X and BYE504 bdos interface Automatic support file creation The .com files themselves total 46k on a system with a 1k allocation block size and 50k on a system with a 2k block size. PBBS is self-maintaining in the sense that the users and messages file are 'mapped' such that on the first "loss-of-carrier" call after midnight each day, PBBS automatically scans the USER file and deletes users that have been inactive for a for a period of time defined by their access level. PBBS then scans the message base and deletes all messages to these deleted users. After the first loss-of-carrier after midnight each day PBBS runs a short update of files such that any old users and messages are deleted. This function is done off-line, that is, it will only occur on the first "loss-of carrier" after midnight, and disables the modem during the time of update. Thus the user is not burdened with waiting for the system to do it's maintenance. After completion, PBBS returns to a wait for next call state. The space created is then available as mentioned above. The number of days since the last signon is used as the determining factor in the daily update of the users file... this number of days is determined from a table of attributes attached to each of 8 active user levels (level 0 is used to indicate a deleted user, level 1 indicates a banned user). Banned users and any users with a 'days-to-deletion' value of 0 are not deleted from the database during the update routine. The exact day values and other related security information for each access level are stored in a table that you set up using the PBBSHDR file. Level 9 is reserved for the sysop. This system is ideal for use with a modified version of LOCK that checks a byte in high memory for a match to a preset value imbedded in the 'locked' .com file. PBBS allows such a byte-location in high memory to be specified and then places the access level of the current user into that byte. When a .com file is run that has a value of 9 imbedded in it by PROT then the file is for all intents and purposes non-existant if the current user is not the sysop, with an access level of 9. An ascii equivalent of the access level can also stored in high memory for the sake of compatability with any existing RBBS files that may need it. The MESSAGES update deletes any old messages that are to a user that just got deleted. The public messages must be deleted manually by the sysop while in the PBBSMNT routine. The access level of a user is set to 2 initially but it is auto-incremented on the next call on a new date up to a level of 5..... for access greater than 5 the sysop must manually upgrade the user by using the PBBSMNT file. The auto-bump of the access level only occurs if the call is NOT on the same day as the previous call. PBBSMNT stores the date and time of a user file or messages file acces in the index file and tells you what the last date/time of the last update was. PBBS implements the BYE33X and BYE504 bdos interface, and as such, is almost totally hardware independant. If you can install BYE33X or BYE504 for your system, you can run PBBS with no need for special inserts or overlays. The only customization required is performed in one header file that is automatically included in each of the operating programs of PBBS at assembly time. The PBBS maintenance file uses the same real time clock insert as your BYE program to allow it's use independant of BYE. PBBS is also available via modem from the Dallas Connection RCP/M (214) 238-1016 (300/1200/2400). --Keith 15-Mar-86 14:42:21-MST,1352;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 15 Mar 86 14:42:12-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a014406; 15 Mar 86 16:18 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a015379; 15 Mar 86 12:09 EST From: "Chad R. Larson" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: ZCPR3, ZDOS news group Message-ID: <638@anasazi.UUCP> Date: 13 Mar 86 01:29:18 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I read this group for CP/M information. I'm an old time CP/M hacker (first implementation I did was 1.4 on an Altair 8800). Mostly, however, it seems to be full of (useful) information on CP/M work/look alikes. Might I suggest a new group net.micro.ZDOS for those postings? Then I wouldn't have to "n" through them, and the ZCPR3 folks wouldn't have to "n" through the CP/M stuff. Just a thought.... -crl -- "Escargot? No thanks. I make a point of not eating anything that leaves trails!" _____________________________________________________________________ UUCP: {mot!terak}!anasazi!chad Voice: Hey, Chad! Ma Bell: (602) 870-3330 ICBM: N33deg,33min Surface: International Anasazi, Inc. W112deg,03min 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive Suit 120 Phoenix, AZ 85020 15-Mar-86 15:13:14-MST,1227;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 15 Mar 86 15:13:07-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a014428; 15 Mar 86 16:41 EST Received: from (MATT)UMASS.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/15/86 at 15:38:04 CST Message-ID: <860315163434.0000059F.ABZI.AA@UMass> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 86 16:34:34 EST From: Matt Kimmel Subject: PBBS To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Hi, I just read Keith Peterson's letter about the new PBBS. I'd like to get a copy of it, but I don't have access to a host directly connect to the ARPANet, and I can't afford to download it from Dallas at 300 baud (I live in Massachusetts). So, could anyone out there who has it or can download it conveniently send me a copy? I run CP/M 3.0 on a Commodore 128 and 1571 disk drive. The drive can read Kaypro II, Kaypro IV, Osborne DD, and Epson QX-10 5 1/4" disks. I am willing to send a disk and return postage, but I can't format disks except in the Commodore format, so I can't send a formatted disk. Thanks in advance!! Matt Kimmel Matt%UMass.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA 17-Mar-86 12:58:43-MST,1373;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 17 Mar 86 12:58:31-MST Received: from cmu-cs-spice.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003633; 17 Mar 86 13:52 EST Date: 17 Mar 1986 13:32-EST From: Daniel.Zigmond@cmu-cs-spice.ARPA Subject: XLISP To:INFO-APPLE@brl.ARPA, INFO-ATARI16@su-score.ARPA, info-atari8@su-score.ARPA, INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA, info-dec-micro@su-score.ARPA, INFO-UNIX@brl.ARPA, INFO-VAX@sri-kl.ARPA, UNIX-SW@simtel20.ARPA, INFO-MICRO@brl.ARPA Message-Id: <511468366/djz@SPICE.CS.CMU.EDU> I am planning to start an INFO-XLISP mailing list. The reasons for this are: * To exchange XLISP code and ideas * To provide an easy method of reporting bugs * To facilitate the distribution of XLISP revisions (few people are aware that there is an XLISP 1.6 already and 1.7 is near completion) * To collect enhancements to XLISP and collect the changes necessary to port XLISP to new machines If you are interested in joining the list, please send mail to me at one of the addresses below. I will need your name and net address. I would also appreciate knowing what machine you use to run XLISP. I will then keep you informed about the INFO-XLISP details (such as the address) as they become final. Dan djz@spice.cs.cmu.edu {harvard, ucbvax}!spice.cs.cmu.edu!djz 17-Mar-86 14:26:33-MST,6144;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 17 Mar 86 14:26:00-MST Received: from cmu-cs-a.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008047; 17 Mar 86 15:28 EST Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 15:09 EST From: Paul.Birkel@cmu-cs-a.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, info-ibm@USC-ISIB.ARPA Subject: NBI to PC-DOS (and CP/M) Connections Message-Id: <17Mar86.150955.PB80@A.CS.CMU.EDU> I've received a number of responses to my query last month, and made a number of phone calls. Here's what I found out: There are three and two-halves solutions to my problem. As you would expect, functionality is proportional to cost. The first solution, and the most cost-effective one, is a piece of software which NBI had Microsoft write about two years ago. It took a little while to figure this out, but it's called: OASys 4000SC MS-DOS Conversion Utility This assumes, of course, 5 1/4" disk drives. This package allows you to read and write such disks (DSDD - 48 tpi) plus it allows some mapping between WP tokens and ASCII characters. The mapping is limited but does take care of things like CR/LF, tabs, backspaces and form feeds so that your ASCII files will be in a readable "generic" form. There is no "format code/command mapping". It runs on all MS-DOS machines (NBI has their own clone, the 4100PC), and costs $200. One caveat on the AT is that you have a problem with the 96 tpi drive since the 4000SC is (typically, unless you have the "high capacity" drives) equipped with 48 tpi drives. The solution is to buy a second 48 tpi drive, about $100 additional plus your effort in installing it (easy). That totals $300 and buys you a simple, direct file transfer not dependent on physical proximity. For a CP/M'er use a similar transfer program (Media Master, Uniform, etc.) to go from CP/M to MS-DOS first. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any software supporting a direct CP/M to 4000SC route. Sigh. Solution one and one-half is a NBI card known as the M-400. It costs $700 and buys you a 68B00 (remember the Commodore PET?)-based co-processor running an early version of WP called "Docu-Writer". It also reads and writes NBI disks and resides on the PC bus. Although "Docu-Writer" is less powerful than WP, it offers the same interface as WP so that your word processing skills transfer easily. It runs in most (all?) PC/PC-XT clones. It DOES NOT run in the AT/AT-clones due to the higher system clock speed. It appears likely that it never will as NBI has other plans for AT owners. If you don't have an AT-type machine and you would like to leverage your WP skills then this card may be for you since you still get the MS-DOS conversion utility functionality discussed above. The other solution one and one-half, is a commercially available box for disk conversions: Keyword Office Technologies, Inc. 2816 11th Street NE Calgary, Alberta, T2E 7S7 (800) 227-1817 x825A Two US (West Coast) offices: 649 Mission at New Montgomery San Francisco, CA 94105 (415) 543-5426 Contact: Deborah McAfee 2047 E. Hamilton Ave. San Jose, CA 95125 (408) 371-7770 The list price for the Keyword 7000 is $7996 (US). Solution number two is based on a serial link between the NBI and the target machine. This requires the NBI ASYNC/BISYNC Advanced Communications package which will run you $2500, plus the cost of an external modem and installation. All told you're touching $3,000. What you get is the ability to do terminal emulation-like things and serial file transfers. You also get a software package called TAILORS that lets you do very reasonable (but apparently not complete) mappings between the file formats on each end. You use your own word processor on the PC-DOS/MS-DOS or CP/M or what-have-you end and one of the commercially available communications packages. Of course you may need either two modems, or proximity in order to run a cable, but you get added flexibility. Like to take your dBase or 1-2-3 file and ship it over to the NBI to put into a document? Well, TAILORS is supposed to make that possible. But it's not cheap. Solution number three is the Rolls-Royce of systems; the System 64, or OASys. It'll run you upwards of $15,000 and more depending on configuration. What it buys you in this context is: 1) A star-organized LAN with a PC-DOS 8086 central processor, hard disk, and 6809-based channels. 2) Transparent file access from any "device" where "device" may be an NBI machine, or a PC-class machine, including file format conversions. 3) The ability to run WP through your PC-class machine (actually on the 6809 ). You can even run WP from home over a dial-up line. This is only a brief description, but you get the general impression. Slick, but a rather expensive for my needs. This investigation has been an education for me. Although I still think that technically the 4000SC is not impressive for the price (one can go buy a PC plus a major word processing package for less), what you do get is hand-holding and a clear upgrade path: a networking solution. Although I won't pay that much for the hand-holding, many office automation managers will (and perhaps reasonably so). My problem in initial NBI contacts was probably due to too much knowledge and too little understanding of the NBI philosophy/market-place on my part. I've had many contacts with NBI personnel, and all have been pleasant and helpful, but it was a user of NBI equipment on this net that actually pointed me to the disk conversion solution. While I'll probably never buy NBI equipment, if I were responsible for automating a large word processing environment I'd certainly consider NBI, especially since they appear to be offering a reasonable LAN solution while IBM is still (basically) dithering. So . . . back to the beginning: Can anyone tell what the actual format of a 4000SC 5 1/4" floppy is so that I can roll my own CP/M conversion utility? Paul A. Birkel Dept. of Computer Science Carnegie-Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 (412) 628-3074 17-Mar-86 21:08:01-MST,732;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 17 Mar 86 21:07:42-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013403; 17 Mar 86 22:39 EST Received: from hi-multics.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id a021766; 17 Mar 86 22:17 EST Posted-Date: 17 Mar 86 20:49 CST Acknowledge-To: Wilkinson@HI-MULTICS.ARPA Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 20:48 CST From: Wilkinson@HI-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: Canadian Pricing C64 Disk Drives To: INFO-MICRO@BRL-VGR.ARPA Message-ID: <860318024812.730617@HI-MULTICS.ARPA> Can anyone quote what a reasonable discounted price for C64 1541 or equivalent disk drives is when purchased in Canada? Richard Wilkinson {Wilkinson@HI-MULTICS.ARPA} 18-Mar-86 03:04:09-MST,818;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 03:03:58-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013887; 18 Mar 86 4:41 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a019818; 18 Mar 86 4:18 EST From: Jorge Olenewa Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Apple II+ CP/M Message-ID: <2581@genat.UUCP> Date: 11 Mar 86 17:09:32 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Does anyone have a termcap for Apple CP/M with a Videx Videoterm bd.? Are there any problems with this? Thank you for any help you can give. Cheers, -- Jorge L. Olenewa Mail: Genamation Inc. Phone: (416) 475-9434 351 Steelcase Rd. W Markham, Ontario. UUCP: Canada L3R 3W1 {allegra,linus,ihnp4}!utzoo!mnetor!genat!jorge 18-Mar-86 03:47:35-MST,1463;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 03:47:24-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013938; 18 Mar 86 5:18 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a020985; 18 Mar 86 4:38 EST From: "Peter J. Teuben" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: ZCPR2/3 - PLOTLIB/FXYLIB Message-ID: <761@astrovax.UUCP> Date: 15 Mar 86 04:57:29 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am in Princeton (NJ) for a few months and had to leave my (1984) Kaypro IV back in Holland. Questions: o Anyone implemented ZCPR3 for Kaypro (-IV), I have a running ZCPR2, with some modified features. Source available on diskette. I have a '1984/5' source of ZCPR3 (in Holland), but we seem to be missing new updates? o Anyone knows any hardware and/or software enhancements to implements a RAM disk. I am currently working on a 128k-RAM disk, I even have a print (as published in the German MC-journal), but don't know yet how (or even if) to put it physically in the Kaypro. Anyone experience ? Or have commercial prints for Z-80 systems? 'Offers': o ZCPR2 for Kaypro-II & IV o CALCOMP and FXYPLOT (2- & 3-D plots) written in Microsoft Fortran for an Epson printer (easily adaptable for graphics addressable printers) Peter Teuben Princeton University Observatory Peyton Hall Princeton, NJ 08544 609-452-3575 18-Mar-86 04:17:22-MST,775;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 04:17:12-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013955; 18 Mar 86 5:26 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a021513; 18 Mar 86 4:57 EST From: Stanley Dunn Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,net.micro Subject: Re: Installed ZCPR3 for Osborne 1 *and* for Kaypro 2X Message-ID: <296@umcp-cs.UUCP> Date: 15 Mar 86 14:58:24 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:5711 net.micro:14764 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <775@harvard.UUCP> edwards@harvard.UUCP writes: >Does anybody have either or both of these? I am looking for ZCPR3 for a Kaypro 2X also. -- Stan Dunn Univ. of Md. Dept. of Computer Science. 18-Mar-86 05:20:31-MST,3186;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 05:20:15-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a014187; 18 Mar 86 6:44 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a023956; 18 Mar 86 5:57 EST From: James Frost Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Pascal for CP/M Message-ID: <184@bucsb.UUCP> Date: 16 Mar 86 02:08:50 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA As has been previously said, Turbo Pascal is a fantastic & cheap Pascal for your micro. I am currently using v3.0 on a Kaypro II (the slow one) and I find it more than adequate. The new version is $69, up from $49, but worth every penny. They are still supporting their CP/M users, too. I would recommend it over every other Pascal avail. for CP/M machines just for its compile speed, but its superset of Pascal standard functions/procedures and VERY nice documentation on v3.0 make it even better. How to get it? I wouldn't go to my dealer unless he gives you a price <$69. Order it via mail, unless you need it now. There are order forms in magazines such as _Byte_ every month, and Borland *knows* what CP/M is. (That, by the way, is why I wouldn't go through a dealer. It is a common problem that dealers tend to be linear-minded. It seems to be IBM or "what?") There are more good reasons to buy the language from them rather than get any other compiler, regardless of price: * Their version gives such control over the computer, it is like having the power of C in a full scale language with reasonably complete error checking. * Most of the public domain prgs written in Pascal are in Turbo. * Turbo v3.0 is almost completely bug-free. The only bug that I've heard rumored is in the overlay mechanism (see _Byte_, a couple of months back), and I have never used it, even though some of my programs were much too large for the built-in editor. * Interfaces quite well with the operating system. Personally, I like having direct control over BIOS/BDOS routines without switching to assembler. * Upgradable. I use it on both CPM & MSDOS machines. It is useful to have it work on both -- program source is 100% portable, with the exception of machine-specific calls and in-line machine coding. Sorry to all of you who have read these before from everyone else, but there seem to be fewer and fewer CP/M users around today. It is good to have the best products available supported. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ : Jim Frost : "You just gotta smile through it" : : : "The Earth is just too small and fragile : : madd@bucsb.UUCP : a basket for mankind to keep all of its : : cscc71c%bostonu.bitnet@wiscvm : eggs in."--Robert A. Heinlein : : USnail: 75 Washington St : "What the hell, put 'em all in one : : Laconia, NH 03246 : basket"--Me : +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 18-Mar-86 06:09:54-MST,1133;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 06:09:43-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a015039; 18 Mar 86 7:33 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a025657; 18 Mar 86 6:48 EST From: Peter Godwin Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: NEED APPLE CP/M TERMINAL PROGRAM Message-ID: <1798@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> Date: 14 Mar 86 00:48:08 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:2840 net.micro.cpm:5713 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Z-term is the best I have found so far... Southwestern Data Systems Very similar to Ascii Express the Professional -- Peter Godwin University of Chicago U of C Computation Center uucp: ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!god3 mailnet: x9.xpg@UChicago.Mailnet bitnet: god3%sphinx@UChicago.Bitnet ARPA: x9.xpg%UChicago.Mailnet@MIT-Multics.ARPA USnail: Room 2322x 5824 S. Kimbark Avenue Home: 312-288-1816 Chicago, IL 60637 18-Mar-86 06:27:22-MST,1253;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 06:27:15-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a015091; 18 Mar 86 7:34 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a025801; 18 Mar 86 6:57 EST From: Gregory Smith Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: NEED APPLE CP/M TERMINAL PROGRAM Message-ID: <2331@utcsri.UUCP> Date: 14 Mar 86 17:29:54 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:2841 net.micro.cpm:5714 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [] Somebody mailed out a VT100 emulator on net.sources not 2 weeks ago. He also offered a *free* copy to anybody who mailed in a disk, mailer and return postage. This works on an apple with a number of 80-column cards and a number of serial port cards. I haven't got it, but maybe you should redirect your request to net.sources.wanted. This probably doesn't work with the CP/M card, but IF it can save to disk and IF you can copy APPLE files to CP/M files, you shouldn't have a problem. -- "So this is it. We're going to die." - Arthur Dent ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Smith University of Toronto ..!decvax!utzoo!utcsri!greg 18-Mar-86 07:19:58-MST,820;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 07:19:51-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016382; 18 Mar 86 8:02 EST Date: Tue 18 Mar 86 05:59:34-MST From: Jim Forrest Subject: Apple Communications Program To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: INFO-MICRO@SIMTEL20.ARPA, JFORREST@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12191672925.11.JFORREST@SIMTEL20.ARPA> I have a friend with an Apple II+, Micromodem IIE and Z80 card who needs a communications program so he can upload/download. Since he is unable to download he needs it on a disk. Can anyone help? If so, send separate message to me and I will provide his address. He will gladly reimburse for expenses. If the type Z80 card is important, please advise. Jim ------- 18-Mar-86 08:25:34-MST,995;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 08:25:20-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017360; 18 Mar 86 8:29 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a027850; 18 Mar 86 7:52 EST From: Robert Jaquiss Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: LINE EDITOR WANTED FOR CP/M Message-ID: <6911@tektronix.UUCP> Date: 17 Mar 86 03:06:33 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am looking for a line editor for use on a cp/m 2.2 system. I want one that does not! use a cursor. I intend to use this editor in conjunction with voice output and braille display equipment which cannot work with cursor con- troled software. I can use editors like ed and ex. Thanks in advance. Robert S. Jaquiss ucbvax!tektronix!robertj (uucp) robert jaquiss@tektronix (csnet) robert jaquiss.tektronix@rand-relay (arpanet) (503) 627-6346 (audio phone at work) 18-Mar-86 09:27:02-MST,970;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 09:26:08-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017206; 18 Mar 86 8:25 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a027655; 18 Mar 86 7:45 EST From: Devon Bowen Newsgroups: net.micro.cbm,net.micro.cpm Subject: C128 modem CP/M Message-ID: <2944@sunybcs.UUCP> Date: 16 Mar 86 14:53:09 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cbm:2160 net.micro.cpm:5715 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA The CP/M 3.0 for the Commodore 128 does not support modem (or any other RS-232-C devices), but I hear Commodore is re-releasing the 3.0 with the modem routines built in. Does anyone have any info on the release date? Has this already been released? If so, where can I get a copy of the new version? Thanks in advance... Devon E Bowen University of Buffalo 18-Mar-86 09:32:11-MST,816;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 09:31:50-MST Received: from mitre-bedford.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017668; 18 Mar 86 8:39 EST Full-Name: Trevor O. McCarthy Message-Id: <8603181337.AA27361@mitre-bedford.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA To: god3%sphinx.uchicago.uucp@BRL.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: NEED APPLE CP/M TERMINAL PROGRAM In-Reply-To: Your message of 14 Mar 86 00:48:08 GMT. <1798@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 08:37:06 -0500 From: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA Hi: What is Z-Term? Is it public domain, expensive, etc? Does it have a good VT-100 emulation? Please illuminate the uninformed! (namely me). Thanks, Trevor McCarthy The MITRE Corporation 18-Mar-86 10:00:37-MST,2626;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 10:00:25-MST Received: from usc-isif.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017661; 18 Mar 86 8:39 EST Date: 18 Mar 1986 05:36-PST Sender: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA Subject: Re: ZCPR2/3 - PLOTLIB/FXYLIB From: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA To: pjt%astrovax.uucp@BRL.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISIF.ARPA]18-Mar-86 05:36:41.STANLEY> In-Reply-To: <761@astrovax.UUCP> Received: FROM USC-ECLB.ARPA BY USC-ISIF.ARPA WITH TCP ; 18 Mar 86 02:59:40 PST from AMSAA.ARPA by USC-ECLB.ARPA; Tue 18 Mar 86 02:55:45-PST from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013938; 18 Mar 86 5:18 EST from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a020985; 18 Mar 86 4:38 EST Date: 15 Mar 86 04:57:29 GMT From: "Peter J. Teuben" To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: ZCPR2/3 - PLOTLIB/FXYLIB Return-Path: <@USC-ECLB.ARPA:info-cpm-request@AMSAA> Message-ID: <761@astrovax.UUCP> Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm I am in Princeton (NJ) for a few months and had to leave my (1984) Kaypro IV back in Holland. Questions: o Anyone implemented ZCPR3 for Kaypro (-IV), I have a running ZCPR2, with some modified features. Source available on diskette. I have a '1984/5' source of ZCPR3 (in Holland), but we seem to be missing new updates? o Anyone knows any hardware and/or software enhancements to implements a RAM disk. I am currently working on a 128k-RAM disk, I even have a print (as published in the German MC-journal), but don't know yet how (or even if) to put it physically in the Kaypro. Anyone experience ? Or have commercial prints for Z-80 systems? 'Offers': o ZCPR2 for Kaypro-II & IV o CALCOMP and FXYPLOT (2- & 3-D plots) written in Microsoft Fortran for an Epson printer (easily adaptable for graphics addressable printers) Peter Teuben Princeton University Observatory Peyton Hall Princeton, NJ 08544 609-452-3575 -------------------- I suspect you can find what you need for ZCPR3 on the SIMTEL20 archives. The major directory is PD:. I -- and I am sure many others -- would very much like a copy of your FORTRAN plotting routines. For some reason, plotting seems not to have been too well developed over here. Please mail direct to me if I can help in any way. I don't have a Kaypro, but I have gotten ZCPR3 up on a Heath H89. ...Dick Stanley stanley@isif 18-Mar-86 10:55:07-MST,2232;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 10:54:55-MST Received: from nprdc-gw.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a024396; 18 Mar 86 12:25 EST Received: by nprdc.arpa (4.12/ 1.1) id AA14658; Tue, 18 Mar 86 09:24:34 pst From: Mel Moy Message-Id: <8603181724.AA14658@nprdc.arpa> Date: 18 March 1986 0924-PST (Tuesday) To: info-cpm-request@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: Re: NEED APPLE CP/M TERMINAL PROGRAM Cc: god3%sphinx.uchicago.uucp@BRL.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, melmoy@NPRDC.ARPA Z-Term is (was) a commercially produced communications package put out by Southwestern Data Systems in Santee, CA. It came out in a couple of forms, the best one being Z-Term Professional. The software allowed the user to emulate several common terminals (vt52, datamedia, soroc, adm3a) when communicating with other computers (directly or through a modem). The software permitted you to use different protocols, depending on what was needed, to transfer files between the Apple and the host computer. Thus the Christiansen Protocol for Xmodem (receive and transmit) was also supported--and served as the heart of Z-Term. A library of commonly called numbers could be stored for autodialing (tone or pulse). For each number stored, a set of macros could be defined by the user so that login procedures and passwords could be automatically issued by the computer to speed up interactions. There are several other nice features about Z-Term which are nicely packaged and make it worth the cost over public domain software such as the Xmodem series. One caution, the original Z-Term did not work with the PCPI CP/M card (or the StarCard). Z-Term has been revised and re-released by another company, whose name escapes me for the moment, but is called Ascii Express Professional (CP/M version). There is also an Apple DOS version of the same software. There are so many features about it that people have become confused about using it. However, I still think that it is an excellent product and outstrips the communication packages I have been using on the IBM PC--and that is the machine I use most nowadays. Mel Moy melmoy@nprdc 18-Mar-86 19:16:24-MST,810;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 19:16:15-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005736; 18 Mar 86 20:42 EST Date: Tue 18 Mar 86 18:39:46-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: ZCPR2/3 - PLOTLIB/FXYLIB To: pjt%astrovax.uucp@BRL.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: <761@astrovax.UUCP> Message-ID: <12191811313.12.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Peter, Echelon is just now releasing bootable disks for the Kaypro series. ZCPR3/ZRDOS with no installation requirements at all (just insert and boot). There is also an introductory user's guide (non-tech). The book is extra (I think). You also have the option of looking up the sources in ZWORD3.TXT (in PD: on SIMTEL20). Rick ------- 18-Mar-86 22:21:32-MST,1329;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 22:21:23-MST Received: from nosc-gw.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006716; 18 Mar 86 23:51 EST Received: from cod.ARPA by nosc.ARPA (4.17/4.7) id AA04309; Tue, 18 Mar 86 20:48:33 pst Received: by cod.ARPA (5.31/4.7) id AA14610; Tue, 18 Mar 86 20:48:03 PST Message-Id: <8603190448.AA14610@cod.ARPA> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 19:11:20 PST Ppath: vista!crash!noscvax!info-cpm@amsaa From: pnet01!bblue To: vista!crash!noscvax!info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: Re: NEED APPLE CP/M TERMINAL PROGRAM Thanks for the kind words about Z-Term (Z-Pro), Mel. A couple of inaccuracies though. Z-Term and Z-Pro are no longer in production. There was originally scheduled (a couple of years ago) a CP/M version of ASCII Express, but it was never brought out. A marketing decision, basically. Right now there are three ASCII Express's, one for Apple DOS 3.3, one for Apple ProDOS, and ASCII Pro-MS for the IBM PC/XT/AT/Jr. and compatibles world. The company now marketing all of those is United Software Industries, 8399 Topanga Canyon Blvd., Canoga Park, CA 91304. Business phone is 818/887-5800. Toll Free sales line is 800/621-0849 ext. 441. (that's suite #200, above ) --Bill Blue 18-Mar-86 23:45:17-MST,668;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Mar 86 23:45:12-MST Received: from sdcsvax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006799; 19 Mar 86 0:16 EST Received: by sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (5.31/4.41) id AA17637; Tue, 18 Mar 86 21:15:13 PST hops=0 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 21:15:13 PST From: George Lewak Message-Id: <8603190515.AA17637@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Microsoft CP/M patch Does anyone out there have a patch for Microsoft CP/M for the Apple to use 40 track disk drives? John Antypas -- UC San Diego uucp: ...!sdcsvax!jantypas arpa: jantypas@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu 19-Mar-86 06:42:23-MST,690;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 19 Mar 86 06:42:13-MST Received: from usc-isif.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010632; 19 Mar 86 8:06 EST Date: 19 Mar 1986 05:03-PST Sender: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA Subject: Barcode Programs From: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISIF.ARPA]19-Mar-86 05:03:22.STANLEY> Other than BARCODE.LBR in the SIMTEL20 archives, does anyone know of any PD software that will produce barcode on an Epson printer? Any kind of barcode, not just 3 of 9. Please reply to me directly (stanley@isif) and I'll summarize for the net. ...Dick Stanley 19-Mar-86 06:43:02-MST,803;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 19 Mar 86 06:42:54-MST Received: from usc-isif.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010717; 19 Mar 86 8:08 EST Date: 19 Mar 1986 05:06-PST Sender: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA Subject: Radio Shack printers From: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISIF.ARPA]19-Mar-86 05:06:01.STANLEY> I have obtained some programs that are written to output bit-image graphics to a Radio Shack dot-matrix printer. Unfortunately, I do not have a Radio Shack printer, but rather an Epson LX-80. Has anyone solved the mapping of Radio Shack graphics codes to Epson codes? Please reply to me directly (stanlye@isif) and I'll summarize for the net. ...Dick Stanley 19-Mar-86 07:50:26-MST,781;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 19 Mar 86 07:50:17-MST Received: from usc-isif.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010783; 19 Mar 86 8:10 EST Date: 19 Mar 1986 05:08-PST Sender: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA Subject: Turbo & JRT Pascal From: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISIF.ARPA]19-Mar-86 05:08:09.STANLEY> I must be one of the few who do not have Turbo Pascal (mostly because I don't do much programming in Pascal). I do have JRT Pascal, but have done very little with it, and that a long time ago. Is it feasible to try to compile Turbo code with the JRT compiler, or should I just break the piggy bank and get a copy of Turbo? ...Dick Stanley 20-Mar-86 08:11:28-MST,950;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 20 Mar 86 08:11:19-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004118; 20 Mar 86 9:30 EST Received: from CheninBlanc.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 20 MAR 86 06:28:23 PST Date: 20 Mar 86 06:28:17 PST (Thursday) From: Chapman.ES@xerox.ARPA Subject: Request for PD Flowcharting source To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: Chapman.ES@xerox.ARPA Message-ID: <860320-062823-3789@Xerox> A friend of mine is looking for source code to any kind of flowcharting program. He needs to produce a flowcharting program for the Atlas programming language (used to program automated test beds), and would like something he could use as a starting point to learn from. I believe I have seen something in one of the journals a couple of years back, but can't find the reference. Or is there something on Simtel? Pointers of any kind gratefully accepted. Cheryl 21-Mar-86 00:05:23-MST,1160;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 21 Mar 86 00:05:00-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012245; 21 Mar 86 1:21 EST Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 20 Mar 86 23:20:14-MST Return-Path: Received: from topaz.UUCP by seismo.CSS.GOV with UUCP; Fri, 21 Mar 86 00:43:28 EST Received: by topaz.rutgers.edu; Fri, 21 Mar 86 00:39:08 est Received: by astrovax.UUCP (4.12/4.7.WLS) id AA17478; Fri, 21 Mar 86 00:13:14 est Date: Fri, 21 Mar 86 00:13:14 est From: "Peter J. Teuben" Message-Id: <8603210513.AA17478@astrovax.UUCP> To: topaz!seismo!SIMTEL20.ARPA!RCONN@seismo.ARPA, topaz!seismo!simtel20.brl.arpa!pjt@seismo.ARPA Subject: Re: ZCPR2/3 - PLOTLIB/FXYLIB Cc: topaz!seismo!simtel20.arpa!info-cpm@seismo.ARPA Rick, This actually is more of a try to get into contact with you CP/M's since my previous net-attempts failed. Main questions: how do I get on SIMTEL20 (tel.nr.) and do I need to be a CP/M member? Can I then download/upload stuff. --Peter (609-452-3575) 21-Mar-86 08:02:31-MST,812;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 21 Mar 86 08:02:25-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016637; 21 Mar 86 9:13 EST Received: from cmu-cs-c.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id a001046; 21 Mar 86 9:02 EST Received: ID ; Fri 21 Mar 86 09:03:17-EST Date: 21 Mar 1986 0902-EST From: David Zubrow Subject: Xlisp for Kaypro II To: Cpm@CMU-CS-C.ARPA Attention: Cpm bboard I would like to obtain a version of Xlisp to run on my old Kaypro II. I have heard that version 1.2 is too large for the 64k available in the Kaypro II. Is this true? Also, are there any versions that do not require the user to have a C compiler? Any pointers would be appreciated. Dave Zubrow zubrow@c.cs.cmu.edu  21-Mar-86 10:11:43-MST,11297;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 21 Mar 86 10:11:12-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020143; 21 Mar 86 11:19 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a009946; 21 Mar 86 10:53 EST From: Gumby Newsgroups: net.database,net.micro,net.micro.pc,net.micro.cpm Subject: * Database Applications Survey Results * Message-ID: <3@rdlvax.UUCP> Date: 17 Mar 86 18:22:47 GMT Xref: seismo net.database:256 net.micro:14786 net.micro.pc:7920 net.micro.cpm:5722 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA DBMS Applications Query Results - Summary First of all, an apology for being sooo late on posting the results. For those who don't remember ('cause it's been so long), I posted an article entitled "Database Applications Query" to net.database, net.micro, net.micro.pc, and net.micro.cpm, in mid January. Overall I got a really good response to the query - about 30 replys with actual dbms applications, others that were just interested in the results. I have organized the results as follows. I have created a table of DBMS's that contains the name of the DBMS software, the manufacturer (where known), the host environment it runs in, and a count of how many people (who responded) using that DBMS. Next is a table containing the name of the DBMS and the application(s) it is being used for. This is basically a summarized list of the actual responses. The most interesting of the responses comes from Relational Technology Inc. - The company that makes INGRES. Jeff Lichtman was kind enough to send me a list of RTI's own applications of INGRES - How a dbms manufacturer uses its own product!! It's in the list of dbms uses. Most of the dbms applications were pretty standard, such as mailing & phone lists, inventories, etc. There were a few that were quite interesting and some requests for some that have not been done. A few people were interested in bibliographic applications. This is something that interests me personally, for it is not easy to create a bibliographic database in a relational dbms. The problems are that you need to have multiple occurances of some of the fields (such as Authors and Keyword type fields). It is not good practice to have AUTHOR1, AUTHOR2, etc., because 1/2 the time you only need 1 author, and one day you'll find you need 6 when you have room for 5. Also, making an AUTHOR field 265 characters long and putting them all in there is not quite efficient either, and you'll have a hard time doing queries. I have been working on a text based db program for bibliographic searches that overcomes these problems. Some of the key features are: Text file database with variable length fields and multiple occurances of a field. Btree indecies on any desired field - primary key and secondary (keyword type) keys. I don't want to go into details on that, if anyone is interested they can mail me. My own applications are, as I mentioned above, working on bibliographic type dbms. Along with developing a text based db I have also done some stuff in dBASE-III using the (yechh) method of having a long character field. If the format is consistent in that type of schema, searches are possible (e.g. assume authors or keywords are comma seperated). I also have my own mailing/phone lists, check book balancing, and an inventory of my record/tape collection - all in dBASE-II. One other thing I have done - I worked at Xerox for 2 years - in the Customer Education Dept. of Business Systems Group (El Segundo), and developed a dBASE-II application for their National Registration. This was (as far as I was concerned) taking dBASE-II to its limit. It was/is quite a system (if I do say so myself). I can't even begin to go into the stuff it did. There was a lot of house cleaning it did, automatically, printing of various form letters (on a 2700 laser printer), printing of Certificates, etc. The database grew quite large and ran very efficiently for what it was running on (a Xerox 820-II w/a 10meg). Last I heard it was being converted to dBASE-III. It had to deal with something like 7 .DBF files, and even more indecies. There are cute ways of doing joins on more than 2 DBF's in dBASE-II (file flipping). Enough blabbing. If anyone is interested in any of the specific applications listed later on, send me mail and I will forward the message containing that applications (then you can get in touch with the person that sent it). If there are any other questions, feel free to write. I hope someone finds the results usefull, and Thanks to all that replied!!!!! ------------- DBMS Query Results - DBMS's Used Name Company Host Environ Quantity ---- ------- ------------ -------- dBASE-III Ashton Tate PC 7 dBASE-II Ashton Tate CP/M (Z80) 6 Unify ?? Unix 4 Enable ?? PC 1 (dbms like) Notebook ?? PC 1 (text fms) Troll ?? Unix/PC 2 Rbase 5000 Micro Rim PC 3 PHACT-DBRM UniPress Unix 1 CONDOR ?? CP/M 1 INGRES RTI VMS/Unix 3 Reflex ?? PC 1 DATARIEVE ?? VMS 1 Mistress Rhodnius (Toronto CN) Unix 1 (rdbms) Empress Rhodnius Unix 1 Informix RDS Unix 1 ------------------- DBMS Query Results - Summary of Applications DBMS Application(s) ---- -------------- dBASE-III Financial, Personnell "" Checking Tracking, Mailing lists dBASE-II Invoicing (small mail order) & mailing list dBASE-III Personal accounting, billing/accounts rec. for rel. org. dBASE-II/III mailing lists, convention registration, club membership, Personal Journal/Gen. Ledger, Menu driven system to enter/edit scenes in a movie, reorder, them, etc. Enable 'Tickler file' of commitments, file of articles under review for a journal. Notebook phonelist, annotated bibliography, list of restraunts, xmas-card list, summary of research organizations. dBASE-III MINET TAC db (part of DDN), inventory (looking into rbase). Troll Working on a PC port for a pc based network data mngr. dBASE-II Client useage of group services. Rbase 5000 Client useage (as above). Rbase: probs with finding info and math funcs. PHACT-DBRM Medical applications (no real query language, mainly library routines). dBASE-II Inventory Control. Rbase 5000 mailing lists, medical patient files, research data CONDOR houshold purchaces, repairs/projects (who, brands, costs, etc.). Serial Numbers of house items, credit cards, etc., List of restraunts, list of good condiments (food). INGRES bibliographic files, calendar, property inventory. Reflex text db for desc-diag-treat-prevention of parasitic organisms. DATARIEVE stat report generation - db of high school students to get kids in different outreach groups. INGRES financial, personnel - budget data, extract onto pc and run Lotus/dbase/rbase on it. DBASE-III document tracking Rbase 5000 matching users req's with a specialist in a field. Unify property management & acquisition system. INGRES *RTI's Response* ****************** a. mailing lists 1. 20,000 rows, approximately 60 users 2. 9,000 rows, approximatley 60 users 3. 350 rows, approximately 20 users b. call tracking - this application is used by our technical support department. Calls are logged into the system with pertinent customer information and given a call number. Calls are then responded to sequentially, first-come first-served. (20 tables, 6500 rows, 10-15 users) c. calendar - two departments have developed calendar systems to meet their needs. One tracks the activities of staff. The other main- tains our training course schedule. (training schedule - 1 table, 124 rows, 30 users) (staff schedule - 5 tables, 1000 rows, 15 users) d. bug reporting - this is our bug reporting application. All bugs are entered. Reports generated by the system aid developers in the task of fixing bugs. (20 tables, 8000 rows, 25 daily users/50 intermittent users) e. dial-a-bug - this application supports customers. Customers can dial in to find out what bugs there are. This application notes bug priority and status. (6 tables, 333 rows, number of users varies) f. tool testing - 1. the first application generates drivers to run QA testing. (6 tables, 925 rows, 20 users) 2. the second application documents QA testing. (7 tables, 4397 rows, 2 users) g. machine status - this application tracks operating systems used on machines in the data center. It also logs problems associated with the machines such as down time and lost files. (5 tables, 20 rows, 2-5 users) h. accounting - (the minimum number of users with all components going is 6. The database size is approximately 100MB divided into 90 tables.) 1. general ledger 2. accounts payable 3. accounts receivable 4. commission processing 5. budgets i. On-line sales demo - this application is used by the sales force to demo INGRES. (5 tables, 150 rows, 40 users) j. configuration management - holds entire source code for INGRES system. Keeps track of changes to the source code. Correlates the changes with bug fixes. Produces command procedures for building new versions of the system, and keeps track of which released version of INGRES corresponds with which versions of the source files. 1. mainline code (xline: 25 tables, 63,184 blocks; yline: 25 tables, 53,555 blocks) dBASE-III exam questions for building tests Mistress time sheets, customer info, customer contact info, space acct, cpu acct, equip rec's & val's, invoice info job info (due dates, shipping dates, etc)., font recs. dBASE-II golf handicapping Unify/Informix customer mailing lists, customer calls, hardware & software conf, RMA's. Empress sales lists, purchasing info, shipping info, support. Troll proect management, mailing lists, trouble reporting. Unify inventory, telephone directory, project sched/track. Applications with no DB yet --------------------------- o Track to results of CAI software - try to categorize student responses according to some criteria. o "Super-imposed codeword indexing schemes", build an intelligent bibliographic retrieval system. ---------------------------------- (END!). -- * Isaac Salzman (Gumby) * Research Development Labs (RDL) * Culver City, California, 90230 * UUCP: ...!{psivax,sdcrdcf,ttidca}!rdlvax!salzman * ARPA: ttidca!rdlvax!salzman@Rand-unix.arpa 21-Mar-86 10:33:56-MST,1109;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 21 Mar 86 10:33:41-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020446; 21 Mar 86 11:40 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011169; 21 Mar 86 11:16 EST From: Robert Jaquiss Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,na.forsale Subject: WANTED CP/M SYSTEM Message-ID: <6915@tektronix.UUCP> Date: 18 Mar 86 05:47:07 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:5723 na.forsale:520 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am looking for a CP/M system that can be run com- pletely from an external terminal. I want one with either 5.25 or 3.5 inch disks. I would also be interested in sys- tems that have at least two rs232 ports. That way I could change things around so as to avoid using the CRT. I have a friend who wants to hook up a braille terminal thus a CRT is of little use. Robert Jaquiss ucbvax!tektronix!robertj (uucp) robert jaquiss@tektronix (csnet) robert jaquiss.tektronix@rand-relay (arpanet) (503) 627-6346 (audio phone at work) 22-Mar-86 18:29:42-MST,1131;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 22 Mar 86 18:29:33-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001488; 22 Mar 86 20:01 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a001297; 22 Mar 86 19:50 EST From: James Vienneau Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: Need Apple CP/M terminal program Message-ID: <2c910a50.46b9@apollo.uucp> Date: 18 Mar 86 14:04:53 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:2851 net.micro.cpm:5724 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I recently posted an article requesting a Apple CP/M terminal program for a Franklin CP/M card. A Jack Smith sent me mail saying he had such a thing and to let him know if I wanted a copy. Well, yes I do, but I can't seem to send mail to him. So, Jack please resend me mail with your address and telephone # so I can contact you. Also, several people have expressed an interest in the same item. I will be letting those people know whats available when I get all my facts together. I apologize to the "net people" who may not be interested in these things. 22-Mar-86 22:53:50-MST,1836;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 22 Mar 86 22:53:26-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001938; 23 Mar 86 0:21 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a003280; 23 Mar 86 0:06 EST From: Luis Basto Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Query: Hard disk upgrade for Kaypro 10 Message-ID: <665@oakhill.UUCP> Date: 20 Mar 86 16:49:38 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA With the current trends of inexpensive hard disks it seems quite worthwhile to upgrade an older system. I'd like to find out about the possibility of adding more disk storage to a Kaypro 10. The options are: 1. Remove the present 10Meg disk (after dumping it on lots of floppies of course). Replace it with a 20Meg or larger disk. The physical requirements should be similar. The only changes I envision are modifying the BIOS and re-assembling and re-installing the system. 2. Keep the current 10Meg disk. Add an external 10M, 20M, or whatever size disk with its own enclosure and power supply. Here I'm not sure if there is another port that can connect to an external disk. The disk controller board should be able to control two drives though. The software mods should also be quite similar to 1 above. Questions: 1. Has anybody done such an upgrade? If so, what are your trials and tribulations? 2. Are the schemes above possible or are there other options? 3. Can the disk controller in the 10 address more than 10Meg? The machine's warranty had long expired and neither Kaypro nor dealers are very interested in supporting the 10 anymore so an upgrade such as this should not make the system any less maintainable than it already is. Thanks for any comments or suggestions. Luis Basto 23-Mar-86 01:45:12-MST,713;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 01:44:58-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002120; 23 Mar 86 3:18 EST Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1986 01:16 MST Message-ID: From: "Frank J. Wancho" To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: More SIG/M Volumes Available Another batch of SIG/M volumes are now available as PD: through PD:, plus a new PD:, on SIMTEL20. All of our so-called "public domain" collections are provided as-is and made available via ANONYMOUS FTP to the entire Internet community with access to DDN. --Frank 23-Mar-86 02:17:47-MST,2474;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 02:17:39-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002157; 23 Mar 86 3:57 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a004264; 23 Mar 86 3:52 EST From: Richard A Childers Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Shugart Disk Drive Alignment Message-ID: <813@well.UUCP> Date: 20 Mar 86 16:52:57 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Hello, all, a question for those with knowledge and a willingness towards sharing it : I have an old CP/M machine with the traditional Z80 and 64 kb RAM, and two floppy disk drives, Shugart 801's ... 8", SS/DD. These drives are, over the ages, becoming less and less reliable. So far as I can tell, it's not a matter of hardware errors or anything, really, but I continually get these little TRAC errors. ( Which means that the head is not reading the track correctly, I believe. ) Now, from what I've read, it's quite common for your heads to drift from the original alignment, and it's a relatively small matter to re-align them if you have the appropriate devices to support your effort. An oscilloscope, I have access to. What I need, I think, is a master disk, a metal diskette with master tracks, made out of metal, instead of floppy material - a hardware reference point by which the disk heads are aligned. The standard 77 track, 8 inch, single density IBM 3740/1D format for which these drives were made for. I haven't really made a serious effort to look around for this, yet. I have reason to believe (a) that they are generally unavailable in all the best shops, as Shugart drives are basically as obsolete as skeleton keys, and (b) that the drive manufacturers made these special alignment disks mostly unavailable for the general public, to facilitate the existence of small repair shops and discourage people from doing their own maintenance. Does anyone out there in net.land have any ideas on where I might find such a metallic master alignment diskette ? I'd be greatly appreciative, and so would thousands of others with similiar problems, since the 8" diskette is not yet dead, I suspect, and there must be others with a similiar problem ... Thanks, awfully, lads and ladies ... -- richard -- "The way to do is to be." -- Lao Tzu ... circa 500 B C ... ..{dual,glacier,hplabs}!well!tyger aka Richard A Childers 23-Mar-86 06:23:03-MST,980;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 06:22:54-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002520; 23 Mar 86 7:59 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a007040; 23 Mar 86 7:50 EST From: "David I. Berg" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Osborne Exec Tech Info Message-ID: <274@noscvax.UUCP> Date: 19 Mar 86 21:11:13 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > Can anyone tell me where I can buy at technical reference set for the > Osborne Executive computer? Try calling Dwight Worswick of Worswick Industries in San Diego. I don't have his number handy, but it's listed. You might also try Mission Peak Systems. I'm not sure of their location, but they advertise in the FOGHORN. -- David I. Berg (dberg) ARINC Research Corporation San Diego, CA MILNET: dberg@nosc UUCP: {ihnp4 akgua decvax dcdwest ucbvax}!sdcsvax!noscvax!dberg 23-Mar-86 06:55:48-MST,3658;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 06:55:39-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002547; 23 Mar 86 8:10 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a007248; 23 Mar 86 8:01 EST From: Philip Freidin Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Shugart Disk Drive Alignment Message-ID: <10903@amdcad.UUCP> Date: 21 Mar 86 00:05:12 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <813@well.UUCP>, tyger@well.UUCP (Richard A Childers) writes: > > Hello, all, a question for those with knowledge and a willingness towards > sharing it : I'm silly enough to try and help > > I have an old CP/M machine with the traditional Z80 and 64 kb RAM, and two > floppy disk drives, Shugart 801's ... 8", SS/DD. > so do I. > These drives are, over the ages, becoming less and less reliable. So far as > I can tell, it's not a matter of hardware errors or anything, really, but > I continually get these little TRAC errors. ( Which means that the head is > not reading the track correctly, I believe. ) > Could also be a seek error. just needs some VERY light machine oil on the guide rods. > Now, from what I've read, it's quite common for your heads to drift from > the original alignment, and it's a relatively small matter to re-align them > if you have the appropriate devices to support your effort. > > An oscilloscope, I have access to. What I need, I think, is a master disk, > a metal diskette with master tracks, made out of metal, instead of floppy > material - a hardware reference point by which the disk heads are aligned. > The standard 77 track, 8 inch, single density IBM 3740/1D format for which > these drives were made for. > NO. The alignment disks (or "Analogue alignment disks" (same thing)) are normal 8" floppy media, but with special info written on them. Normal drive electronics and controllers can't write this info. These disk are usually available from the major disk manufacturers such as Dysan, Memorex, Verbatim, etc. cost is about $50. > I haven't really made a serious effort to look around for this, yet. I have > reason to believe (a) that they are generally unavailable in all the best > shops, as Shugart drives are basically as obsolete as skeleton keys, and > (b) that the drive manufacturers made these special alignment disks mostly > unavailable for the general public, to facilitate the existence of small > repair shops and discourage people from doing their own maintenance. > > Does anyone out there in net.land have any ideas on where I might find such > a metallic master alignment diskette ? I'd be greatly appreciative, and so > would thousands of others with similiar problems, since the 8" diskette is > not yet dead, I suspect, and there must be others with a similiar problem ... > > Thanks, awfully, lads and ladies ... > > -- richard > soooooo... 1) First check head stepping. I use DU or DUU to generate complex stepping patterns, and then whatch for error messages, and also whatch the heads. 2) To do a re-alignment, you will need an analogue alignment disk, and a dual channel scope (like a tek 465). The alignment disks come with instructions for use. different tracks have different test patterns on them to facilitate the various parts of the alignment process. Circuits for the drives can also help 3) good luck. 4) If you need help, call me (408)737-8060 (after 7:00 pm) philip. ... Only a fool volunteers help.... philip @ ....{ how ever you get here }!decwrl!amdcad!philip 23-Mar-86 07:07:11-MST,1223;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 07:06:57-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002598; 23 Mar 86 8:44 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a007870; 23 Mar 86 8:31 EST From: "J.S.Jonas" Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm,net.wanted.sources Subject: need IBM system 34 floppy disk format specs Message-ID: <178@sfsup.UUCP> Date: 18 Mar 86 23:00:51 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro:14817 net.micro.cpm:5739 net.wanted.sources:2184 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [the disks in the drives go 'round and 'round] Due to bizarre circumstances, I am trying to read an 8" floppy created by a Zilog MCZ2/50 (Z80 machine) running CPM2.2. The manual says that the disks are 8 inch DSDD following the IBM System 34 format, with a logical skew of 5. Each logical track is therefore 104 (4 x 26) 128 byte logical sectors. Does anybody know the Disk Parameters that CP/M needs? I need either the args to the DISKDEF macro, and/or the result of the DISKDEF macro (the SPT, BLM, AL0, AL1...). Thanks in advance Jeff 'what - me hack?' Skot {ihnp4 | allegra | cbosgd} attunix ! jeffj 23-Mar-86 08:25:30-MST,1502;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 08:25:19-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002778; 23 Mar 86 9:56 EST Date: Sun 23 Mar 86 06:39:20-MST From: Jim Forrest Subject: Re: Query: Hard disk upgrade for Kaypro 10 To: luis%oakhill.uucp@BRL.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, JFORREST@SIMTEL20.ARPA In-Reply-To: <665@oakhill.UUCP> Message-ID: <12192990883.14.JFORREST@SIMTEL20.ARPA> ADVENT Products (1-800-821-8778) (1-800-521-7182 in California) offers a Turbo Rom, 20 megabyte hard disk and mounting hardware for slightly over $800 (maybe less by now). The 20 meg mounts internally and your present 10 megabyte plus the 20 megabyte add-in format to 33 megabytes. If your Kaypro 10 has the 50 pin cable running to near the center of the main board, instead of the edge of the board you will need a kit costing 8 or 9 dollars additional. If you have a Legacy clock you will need to run one wire from the Legacy chip to the Turbo Rom chip. Installation is easy, according to those I have talked to that installed. Mine is on order. The Turbo Rom includes ZCPR1, lets you format diskettes with 256 directory entries rather than standard 64, lets you interface directly with several other types of diskettes, including XEROX, Epson, etc., and also does much more, like write to disk 6 times faster, etc. Advent also offers a 10 meg add-in, or a 32 meg replacement. Jim ------- 23-Mar-86 08:53:45-MST,1564;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 08:53:39-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002832; 23 Mar 86 10:23 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a009296; 23 Mar 86 10:02 EST From: Tom Keller Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Shugart Disk Drive Alignment Message-ID: <105@gilbbs.UUCP> Date: 21 Mar 86 23:53:10 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <813@well.UUCP>, tyger@well.UUCP (Richard A Childers) writes: > a metal diskette with master tracks, made out of metal, instead of floppy > material - a hardware reference point by which the disk heads are aligned. > The standard 77 track, 8 inch, single density IBM 3740/1D format for which > these drives were made for. No, the alignment diskette is not made of metal, it is made of very ordinary mylar, like any other diskette. The nature and placement of the signals recorded *ON* the diskette, however, are quite special. If you contact Verbatim Corpoation, I believe they will sell you an 8" alignment diskette. Expect to pay between $50 and $100 for it, however. After that, all you need is the service manual for the drive, so you'll know which test points to monitor for the "cats-eye" image used to align the head. -- ==================================== Disclaimer: I hereby disclaim any and all responsibility for disclaimers. tom keller {ihnp4, dual}!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 (* we may not be big, but we're small! *) 23-Mar-86 09:29:32-MST,1202;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 09:29:16-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002938; 23 Mar 86 10:59 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a009982; 23 Mar 86 10:37 EST From: Gregory Smith Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: LINE EDITOR WANTED FOR CP/M Message-ID: <2350@utcsri.UUCP> Date: 18 Mar 86 17:22:51 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <6911@tektronix.UUCP> robertj@tektronix.UUCP (Robert Jaquiss) writes: > I am looking for a line editor for use on a cp/m 2.2 >system. I want one that does not! use a cursor. I intend How about CP/M 2.2 ED? It's free with the CP/M... Nobody talks about it or uses it very much these days so it may be not be mentioned in a prominent place in your manuals, or it may not even be supplied on some distribution disks. That's why I'm stating what might seem redundant. -- "No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn" -J. Morrison ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Smith University of Toronto ..!decvax!utzoo!utcsri!greg 23-Mar-86 09:34:52-MST,1107;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 09:34:44-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa02952; 23 Mar 86 11:02 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a010142; 23 Mar 86 10:45 EST From: Robert Switzer Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,net.wanted.sources Subject: Wanted:CPM for an Eagle II Message-ID: <745@houxu.UUCP> Date: 19 Mar 86 13:32:52 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:5743 net.wanted.sources:2189 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA My church was recently donated an Eagle II computer, allegedly (from the documentation supplied) a CPM machine. It came with 2 programs on 5 1/4" SS floppies, SPELLBIND and ULTRACALC both of which run as stand alone programs. The machine supposedly came with CPM but whoever donated the machine did not supply that floppy with it. The question: Where can I get CPM for this machine? Any and all help is extremely welcome and much appreciated. Thanks, Robert S. -- Robert Switzer - AT&T Information Systems Rm 2J208, x7281 Holmdel, NJ 23-Mar-86 16:04:04-MST,1796;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 16:03:58-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003368; 23 Mar 86 17:24 EST Received: from ($MAILER)UMDB.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/23/86 at 15:39:06 CST Received: by UMDB (Mailer X1.23b) id 7863; Sun, 23 Mar 86 16:39:45 EST Date: Sun, 23 Mar 86 16:29 EST From: MKATZ%UMDB.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: Directory To: Info Cpm newsletter I know that most of you are 8-bit CPMers, but maybe there is someone out there using CPM-86 (or CCPM-86 or MPM-86) who can help me. I am using an Altos 586 running MPM-86. I have a 20 meg (15 formatted) hard disk, but I am always almost out of directory entries even though I have only filled about half the disk. The problem seems to be that the disk can only have 1024 directory entries and since XFCBs (which give me time/date stamping and password protection which I really need) nearly double the number of entries required (especially since I have a lot of little programs, etc.) I can only have about 500 individual files on the drive. In MPM-86, XFCBs are optional but I think they are automatic in Concurrent CPM-86 so I am probably not the only one with this problem. MS-DOS doesn't have this problem because the direectories (except the root) are stored as files. I don't need a directory structure - 16 user areas is plenty - but I could really use the larger directory space. The Altos manual briefly mentions multiple logical drives on one physical drive but nowhere in the Altos or DRI documentation does it say how to do this. Does anyone know how to get around this problem ??? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Manasseh Katz 23-Mar-86 16:34:06-MST,1465;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 23 Mar 86 16:33:57-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003436; 23 Mar 86 17:54 EST Received: from (DAEMON)CERNVAX.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/23/86 at 09:51:15 CST Received: from cernvax.UUCP (cernvax) by mint.cern (cernvax) (4.12/3.14) id AA12164; Sun, 23 Mar 86 16:53:28 +0100 Received: by cernvax.UUCP (4.12/4.7) id AA25502; Sun, 23 Mar 86 16:52:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 86 16:52:06 +0100 From: frigo%cernvax.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Message-Id: <8603231552.AA25502@cernvax.UUCP> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Ada repository, educational material for course support I have prepared an Ada course to be given in late spring. I miss some good, short exercises which I would hope to locate on some of the Ada repository at SIMTEL20.ARPA. Alas, our EARN/Bitnet connection does not allow me to fetch any source material from the Ada repository. Would anybody care to fish around in the repository and send me a diskette with educa- tional material (specially Ada exercises) ??? We can read IBM PC diskettes and Macintosh diskettes. Thanks a lot, G.V. Frigo, C.E.R.N., European Organisation for Particle Physics 24-Mar-86 02:49:21-MST,963;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 24 Mar 86 02:49:16-MST Received: from bbncct.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004590; 24 Mar 86 4:26 EST Date: Mon, 24 Mar 86 4:01:56 EST From: "Glenn P. Viernes" Subject: Zilog Z80 assembler To: info-apple@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: gviernes@BBNCCT.ARPA I'm a long time user, but I've been a cpm fan from the beginning. I finally got the time to take an assembly language course, however the school provided assembler ties me to the school's computing facility and their inconvenient time schedule and limited work stations. The instructor has also limited to the use of the Zilog mnuemonic standard. Does anybody know where I can get my hands on a reliable Zilog Z80 assembler? My system is equipped with an Applied Engineering Z-80 Plus card. No assembler was provided on the system disk. Thanks, Glenn 24-Mar-86 06:45:04-MST,1989;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 24 Mar 86 06:44:55-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006341; 24 Mar 86 8:00 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a020954; 24 Mar 86 7:51 EST From: James Potter Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Directory Message-ID: <861@lanl.ARPA> Date: 24 Mar 86 02:43:55 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am running Concurrent CP/M. The time/date stamping is optional and uses 25% of the directory for the date and time info. What you have to do to partition your disk is to set up drive definition entries for each partitiion. One of the pieces of information in each table is how many tracks to offset for the start of the "logical disk". Perhaps you remember for the floppy disks there are two tracks reserved for the system. This uses the same entry to the table that I am describing for the partitioned hard disk. There is no limit on the number of traks to skip. For instance if your disk has 315 tracks (cylinders), skip 0 for partition A, 105 for partition B, and 210 for partition C. If there are 6 heads and 9 1K sectors per track this divides the disk into three 5.6 Megabyte partitions. There is no special reason why each partition needs to be the same size. Dividde it up however you like. All of this requires that you modify your BIOS and reassemble it. You cannot do this without the source code for at least this part of your BIOS. Consult your computer manuals. I have set up my CompuPro system with an 8 Mbyte hard disk as drive A and a 16 Mbyte hard disk with two 5 Mbyte and one 6 Mbyte partitions. It took me a while to figure all of the ins and outs of this, especially having two different hard disks with differing partion schemes but it is basically straight forward once you learn all the details you would rather not have learned about your system. Jim Potter jp@lanl.arpa 24-Mar-86 06:59:07-MST,1929;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 24 Mar 86 06:58:56-MST Received: from usc-isif.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007012; 24 Mar 86 8:17 EST Date: 24 Mar 1986 05:04-PST Sender: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA Subject: Re: Zilog Z80 assembler From: STANLEY@USC-ISIF.ARPA To: gviernes@BBNCCT.ARPA Cc: info-apple@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISIF.ARPA]24-Mar-86 05:04:12.STANLEY> In-Reply-To: The message of Mon, 24 Mar 86 4:01:56 EST from "Glenn P. Viernes" Received: FROM USC-ECLB.ARPA BY USC-ISIF.ARPA WITH TCP ; 24 Mar 86 01:56:01 PST from AMSAA.ARPA by USC-ECLB.ARPA; Mon 24 Mar 86 01:56:34-PST from bbncct.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004590; 24 Mar 86 4:26 EST Date: Mon, 24 Mar 86 4:01:56 EST From: "Glenn P. Viernes" To: info-apple@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: gviernes@BBNCCT.ARPA Subject: Zilog Z80 assembler Return-Path: <@USC-ECLB.ARPA:info-cpm-request@AMSAA> I'm a long time user, but I've been a cpm fan from the beginning. I finally got the time to take an assembly language course, however the school provided assembler ties me to the school's computing facility and their inconvenient time schedule and limited work stations. The instructor has also limited to the use of the Zilog mnuemonic standard. Does anybody know where I can get my hands on a reliable Zilog Z80 assembler? My system is equipped with an Applied Engineering Z-80 Plus card. No assembler was provided on the system disk. Thanks, Glenn -------------------- Glenn, There are at least a couple of Z80 assemblers in the SIMTEL20 archives. Look in the directory PD: (or something close to that). ...Dick 24-Mar-86 07:33:13-MST,4112;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 24 Mar 86 07:32:57-MST Received: from apg-1.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008335; 24 Mar 86 8:54 EST Date: Mon, 24 Mar 86 8:35:25 EST From: Norman Pentz AMSTE-EVS 5279 Subject: Z80 Assembler To: gviernes@BBNCCT.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, npentz@apg-1.ARPA Glenn, In addition to several Z80 assemblers on SIMTEL20, such as Z80ASM and ZASM, Wwhich I've had poor success with on my Osborn (Pprobably my own fault) there is also a powerful debugging program called Z8E, on SIMTEL20, with which one can assemble on the Z80 in a debugging environment. This is far more may be far more useful to you in the process of learning assembler programming. A message calling my attention to it follows: 9 Mon, 2 Sep Keith Petersen Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@BRL.ARPA Subject: Z8E - at last! a free Z80 debugger for CP/M Z8E - a Z80 DEBUGGING MONITOR has been released to the public (it's copyrighted but permission has been given for non-profit use). Z8E is a professional quality interactive debugging tool designed to speed the testing of Z80 assembly language programs. Origin- ally written as a standalone monitor, Z8E was used in the deve- lopement of the world's largest Touch-Tone Input/Voice Response system. Now redone to run in a CP/M or TurboDOS environment Z8E contains more features in less memory than any comparable soft- ware product. Occupying less than 9K of memory, Z8E includes the following among its many features: - Full screen animated display of the program under test while it is being executed by the Z80 (uses cursor addressing, configurable by the user). - Complete Z80 inline assembler, with labels, sym- bols, expressions, and directives, using Zilog mnemonics - Interactive disassembly with labels and symbols to console or disk allows the user to specify output formats and add comments - Fully traced program execution including a full screen single step command that instructs Z8E to disassemble code and to move the cursor to the next instruction to execute - Up to 16 user settable breakpoints with optional pass counts - True symbolic debugging using the input from multiple Microsoft MACRO-80 .PRN and LINK-80 .SYM files and Z80ASM .LST and SLRNK and Z80ASM .SYM files from SLR Systems. - Dynamic relocation of Z8E at load time to the top of user memory regardless of size. No user configuration of any kind is required. The files are available as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: Z8E.LBR.1 BINARY 104704 1D4CH ...which contains the .COM, DOC, and SYM for patching cursor control. Z8E.MQC.1 BINARY 112512 4925H ...the source code, for those who wonder how it works. This was not put into the LBR because I felt not everyone would need the source and the LBR is already VERY big. If you are unable to access Simtel-20 because of network restrictions please remember that MOST of the new files announced to Info-Cpm are also available on my RCPM Royal Oak (MI) which may be accessed at 300 bps using the 103a modem mode or 1200 bps using either the 212a or Vadic 3400 modes. The telephone number is (313) 759-6569. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA uucp: ...!seismo!SIMTEL20.ARPA!W8SDZ uucp: ...!{decvax,unc,hao,cbosgd,seismo,aplvax,uci}!brl-bmd!w8sdz uucp: ...!{ihnp4!cbosgd,cmcl2!esquire}!brl-bmd!w8sdz <*> Hope this helps! ormNorm 24-Mar-86 11:10:23-MST,895;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 24 Mar 86 11:10:11-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a014733; 24 Mar 86 12:11 EST Date: Mon 24 Mar 86 10:09:56-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: New Z Files To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12193291367.8.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Several new files have been uploaded to the ZSYS archive. They are: Z-NEWS.4Q6 - in PD: and PD: Most recent Echelon newsletter; talks about the new libraries (available in ZSYS) and the new Z-Nodes (almost 70 now). Z-NEWS.406 - in PD: Unsqueezed text of 4Q6 ZNODES22.LST - in PD: and PD: Listing of all Z-Nodes, as of 11 March SBDRVJMP.DOC - in PD: and PD: Notes on how to jumper the SB180 for a variety of disks ------- 25-Mar-86 06:58:26-MST,800;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 25 Mar 86 06:58:19-MST Received: from dockmaster.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002694; 25 Mar 86 8:33 EST Posted-Date: 25 Mar 86 08:28 EST Date: Tue, 25 Mar 86 08:26 EST From: "Paul E. Woodie" Subject: Kermit/Osborne Exec To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860325132645.661094@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> I have just added a version of the communications program, Kermit, to the simtel20 archives (in the directory). It is called PD:EXKERMIT.LBR. I took the generic cpm kermit written in turbo pascal (which did not run on my Executive) and modified it to run. I also added a 'break.' This will only run on the Osborne Executive. --Paul Woodie 25-Mar-86 07:11:29-MST,809;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 25 Mar 86 07:11:10-MST Received: from dockmaster.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002855; 25 Mar 86 8:41 EST Posted-Date: 25 Mar 86 08:35 EST Date: Tue, 25 Mar 86 08:34 EST From: "Paul E. Woodie" Subject: Track Read/Osborne Exec To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860325133413.911078@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> I have just added a program to simtel20 to do a 'read track.' This program is written in assembly language and is designed to be used with 'sid' the debugging package that comes (or rather, came) with the Executive. If you don't know assembly language, or how to use 'sid,' this program is not for you. It is named PD:RDTRAK.LBR AT SIMTEL20. --Paul Woodie 25-Mar-86 07:54:55-MST,1022;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 25 Mar 86 07:54:41-MST Received: from dockmaster.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003326; 25 Mar 86 8:57 EST Date: Tue, 25 Mar 86 08:51 EST From: "Paul E. Woodie" Subject: Windows/Osborne Exec To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860325135102.733888@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> I have just added to simtel20 a program to do windows (not wash windows, just create them!) on the Osborne Executive. This program will split the full screen into two windows (either horizontally or vertically) so that you can run a program in window 1, then leave data in that window. You can then switch to window 2 and run a program there while the data from the first program is still in window 1. In effect, you can have the data from one program in window 1 for your observation while you run another program in window 2. Try it! (Maybe) You'll like it! It is in PD:EXWINDOW.LBR. --Paul Woodie 25-Mar-86 08:21:31-MST,873;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 25 Mar 86 08:21:12-MST Received: from crdc-vax2.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003345; 25 Mar 86 8:58 EST Date: Tue, 25 Mar 86 8:52:46 EST From: "Jack H. Smith" To: jimv%apollo.uucp@BRL.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, jhsmith@CRDC.ARPA Subject: apple CPM terminal program Jim, I'm sorry if you haven't received the diskette that I mailed to you last week, but it is in the mail. Also, forgive me for not sending you notice electronically, but I tried and failed more than once....just as you have, trying to reach me. I'll try this last time, then I'll use the INFO-CPM list to get the message to you. We obviously have a failure to communicate: Jack jhsmith@crdc.arpa 25-Mar-86 11:52:25-MST,2321;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 25 Mar 86 11:51:55-MST Received: from cisl-service-multics.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010027; 25 Mar 86 13:14 EST Received: FROM HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA BY CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA WITH dial; 25 MAR 1986 13:10:46 EST Posted-Date: 25 Mar 86 11:01 MST Date: Tue, 25 Mar 86 10:57 MST From: Jerry Crow Subject: RE: WANTED CP/M SYSTEM Reply-To: JCrow%PCO-Multics@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA To: robertj%tektronix.uucp@BRL.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860325175721.677956@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA> I am looking for a CP/M system that can be run completely from an external terminal. I want one with either 5.25 or 3.5 inch disks. I would also be interested in systems that have at least two rs232 ports. That way I could change things around so as to avoid using the CRT. I have a friend who wants to hook up a braille terminal thus a CRT is of little use. Robert Jaquiss At this installation we have quite a number of Morrow MD2/MD3 systems using external CRT's as consoles. The MD machines are designed to operate that way; i.e., the console is an external terminal device attached to the mainboard via a standard 232 interface. The complete MD package included a terminal sold by Morrow, but we purchased only the boxes and used our own terminals. It has proved to be a very workable arrangement. We use CRT's, but any 232 ASCII device could be attached to the console port (a braille device, for example). The MD machines are 64K, Z80 CP/M devices with 5.25 inch disk drives. All of our machines have 2 drives, but the hardware, as shipped, will handle up to 4. The systems have two 232 ports, one for the console and one for a serial printer or modem. Unfortunately, the MD series is no longer manufactured. I understand that that Morrow is in Chapter 11. In any case, they ceased producing 8 bit devices several months ago. Still, there are a lot of MD devices out there; you might be able to obtain a used one. I think it is to be recommended for the application described above. 26-Mar-86 16:55:17-MST,980;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 26 Mar 86 16:55:01-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012783; 26 Mar 86 18:01 EST Date: 26 Mar 1986 17:54-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Re: Zilog Z80 assembler From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: gviernes@BBNCCT.ARPA Cc: info-apple@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]26-Mar-86 17:54:39.ABN.ISCAMS> In-Reply-To: The message of Mon, 24 Mar 86 4:01:56 EST from "Glenn P. Viernes" Glenn, I'd heartily recommend LASM (source available at SIMTEL20 in PD: as: LASM.COM LASM.DOC LASM2.AQM LASM2.DOC LASM3.LBR ) Fine, fast 8080/Z80 assembler, only needs a little fiddling with .ASM source for a few little differences. Permits linking also .. we used it to assemble the CP/M Kermit with no significant problems. Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID 27-Mar-86 17:43:36-MST,1710;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 27 Mar 86 17:43:21-MST Date: Thu, 27 Mar 86 16:44:51 EST From: Dave Towson (info-cpm-request) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Significant change: Fellow CP/Mers - Those of you who are familiar with goings-on in the Defense Data Network will know that a new addressing scheme called "domain addressing" is being used in the ARPANET and tried on a voluntary basis by many hosts in the MILNET. And it will soon become the mandatory standard in the MILNET too. For those unfamiliar with this change, let's just say that domain addressing is a scheme that allows for a larger number of address paths while requiring users to do a lot of typing that used to be done by machines (sigh). Because of the brutal editing job required, I have valiantly procras- tinated about fixing the info-cpm distribution list to use the new addresses. But as luck (and good friends) would have it, my buddy Brint Cooper (a fellow BRL employee and CP/Mer) volunteered! to do the deed, for which I will be eternally grateful. The edited list has been subjected to the scrutiny of the address- checker program we use here, and no errors were found in either format or hostname-address-strings. Theoretically, there should have been no changes in the username portions of the addresses, but we all know that editor programs sometimes do strange and wonderful things. So be warned that tomorrow (Friday) I am going to install the new list, and we'll see what happens. If anyone's info-cpm mail suddenly dries up, don't be bashful; COMPLAIN AT ONCE! Dave 27-Mar-86 21:07:15-MST,1282;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 27 Mar 86 21:06:59-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a024912; 27 Mar 86 22:38 EST Received: from ($MAILER)UMDB.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/27/86 at 18:16:00 CST Received: by UMDB (Mailer X1.23b) id 1800; Thu, 27 Mar 86 19:10:15 EST Date: Thu, 27 Mar 86 19:05 EST From: MKATZ%UMDB.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: More MPM-86 questions To: Info Cpm newsletter I received several replies to my query about how to increase directory entries on a hard disk running under MPM-86. I will attempt to make the changes this Sunday. In the meantime, I have some more questions. Is there any easy way to add an equivalent to the MS-DOS AUTOEXEC.BAT to an MPM system? The system normally runs 24 hours a day, but I would like it to automatically run a couple programs on powerup/reset. It would be really nice if I could run different programs on each console - then I could have a logon program on the modem port. I know this could probably be done by modifying the TMP.RSP or the BIOS, but I only have source to the machine dependent XIOS. Manasseh Katz MKATZ@UMDB 28-Mar-86 04:33:39-MST,2052;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 28 Mar 86 04:33:31-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025566; 28 Mar 86 5:56 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a028066; 28 Mar 86 5:44 EST From: Bob Halloran Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: WANTED CP/M SYSTEM Message-ID: <424@unirot.UUCP> Date: 26 Mar 86 14:34:31 GMT Keywords: Z80, SBC To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <6915@tektronix.UUCP> robertj@tektronix.UUCP (Robert Jaquiss) writes: > I am looking for a CP/M system that can be run com- >pletely from an external terminal. I want one with either >5.25 or 3.5 inch disks. I would also be interested in sys- >tems that have at least two rs232 ports. That way I could >change things around so as to avoid using the CRT. I have a >friend who wants to hook up a braille terminal thus a CRT is >of little use. > > Robert Jaquiss In recent BYTE's, Micromint in Connecticut has been advertising their SB180 single-board system. It uses the Hitachi 64180 (Z-80 compatible chip), has 256K RAM, 1 parallel & 2 serial I/O ports, and is 4" X 7.5" in size. It costs $449. with software. Given the current cost of floppy drives, one should be able to add two drives and a power supply and come in for about $750-800. Micromint's address/phone is 25 Terrace Dr, Vernon CT 06066, 203-871-6170. For even less, Ampro has their Z-80 'Little Board' for $249. Same general idea; but using the Z-80A as a processor. Their address/phone is Ampro Computers, 67 E Evelyn Ave, Mountain View CA 94041 415-962-0230. Hope the information proves useful. Robert Halloran, Consultant ============================================================================= UUCP: ..topaz!caip!unirot!halloran USPS: 19 Culver Ct, Old Bridge NJ 08857 Ph: (201) 251-7514 Disclaimer: My opinions are my own. Quote: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." -- Hunter Thompson 28-Mar-86 04:44:26-MST,1467;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 28 Mar 86 04:44:16-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025568; 28 Mar 86 5:56 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a028158; 28 Mar 86 5:51 EST From: Jay Denebeim Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Pascal for CP/M? Message-ID: <470@ethos.UUCP> Date: 25 Mar 86 18:09:45 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA It's been awhile since I heard this, but from what I recall, Ellis Computing bought the rights to JRT Pascal when JRT folded. Also, contrary to the previous message, JRT is *NOT* public domain. The documentation DID however say that you could give copies to your friends, so I guess it comes down to about the same thing. As a side note, the JRT folks were the ones to come up with the idea of an inexpensive compiler. They failed in the marketplace because even though the price was right $29.95, the program wasn't worth anything. It is not a compiler, it's a pseudo-compiler, it goes to P-Code like UCSD Pascal. JRT is worth a try, especially if you can find it locally, it did have some nice features. Turbo however is a much better compiler, it's fast and although it has some limitations, compiles to native code. -- Jay Denebeim "One world, one egg, one basket." {seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!mcnc!rti-sel!ethos!jay Deep Thought, ZNode #42 300/1200/2400 919-471-6436 28-Mar-86 05:19:37-MST,1251;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 28 Mar 86 05:19:23-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025738; 28 Mar 86 6:41 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a028742; 28 Mar 86 6:24 EST From: Daniel Zigmond Newsgroups: net.news.group,net.lang.lisp,net.unix,net.sources,net.micro.cpm,net.micro.amiga,net.micro.mac,net.micro.pc,net.micro.hp,net.micro.68k,net.lang,net.micro.16k Subject: Re: XLISP Message-ID: <509@spice.cs.cmu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 86 14:50:37 GMT Xref: seismo net.news.group:5214 net.lang.lisp:774 net.unix:7843 net.sources:4711 net.micro.cpm:5761 net.micro.amiga:2524 net.micro.mac:5507 net.micro.pc:8021 net.micro.hp:187 net.micro.68k:1665 net.lang:2323 net.micro.16k:456 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I've gotten a tremendous response from my posting about INFO-XLISP that I think a net.lang.xlisp is in oredr too. This would simply be a USENET version of my INFO-XLISP list with a two-way gateway (postings to INFO-XLISP show up on net.lang.xlisp and postings to net.lang.xlisp get sent to those on INFO-XLISP). Please send a note to me if you are interested in this so I can try to have it established. Dan 28-Mar-86 12:08:27-MST,583;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 28 Mar 86 12:08:18-MST Date: Fri, 28 Mar 86 13:24:18 EST From: Dave Towson (info-cpm-request) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Test message: Fellow CP/Mers - As promised in my last message, I have changed the info-cpm distribution list to the new one prepared by Brint Cooper using domain addressing where possible. This message is being sent to test the new list. Dave Towson info-cpm list maintainer 28-Mar-86 12:49:57-MST,787;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 28 Mar 86 12:49:11-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006970; 25 Mar 86 11:32 EST Date: Tue, 25 Mar 86 11:19:40 EST From: Steve Lesh (ISC) To: info-modem7-request@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: info-app-request@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm-request@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: apple IIe / microsoft softcard IIe overlay Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 86 14:05:12 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@BRL.ARPA I am looking for an overlay which will support the hardware com- bination listed in the subject line (+ a Super Serial Card). If anybody has one running will you tell me how you did it? Thanks, Steven Lesh 28-Mar-86 17:17:35-MST,3883;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 28 Mar 86 17:17:19-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000370; 28 Mar 86 18:29 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a001204; 28 Mar 86 17:55 EST From: John Blalock Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Where can one get Wordstar for CPM3 ? Message-ID: <1105@terak.UUCP> Date: 24 Mar 86 19:33:36 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > 1. Can CPM 3.0 operate, with full compatability, CPM 2.2 software? > (Given that it is on a 5 1/4" format) > Yes, most software for CP/M 2.x will run under CP/M 3.0, including WordStar. > 2. Where can I get wordstar for CPM? The local Federated TV/Stero/Computer discount stores are offering WordStar with MailMerge for $399 on a special sale this week. The installation files for WordStar are included. Also included are the following packages at no extra cost: ReportStar, CalcStar, DataStar, CP/M 2.2, and a Bondwell 12 portable (sic) computer. You'd probably have to use a serial transfer protocol to get the software on disks compatible with your Commodore. If you don't want the "free" computer, I'll be happy to take it! :-) The Bondwell 12 has a 4 MHz Z80A, 64K RAM, two SSDD 5.25" floppy disk drives (TEC, 765 controller), a full ASCII keyboard with separate numeric keypad and 16 user-definable function keys, 9-inch amber CRT (6845), two RS232C serial ports (Z80A SIO/8253 baud rate generator), a parallel port (6821), and speech synthesis capability. Comes with program to allow SSDD disks in Kaypro, Osborne, and IBM PC formats to be used. Size, weight, etc. are compatible with the Osborne/Kaypro portables. Looks like it is a Hong-Kong Kaypro 2 clone. It also comes with a neat speech program that lets you type in sentences which it will then speak back to you. Can also voice annotate prepared files. The speech is obviously computer-generated, but very understandable. Someone asked on the net earlier about a tool to help the speech-impaired. The Bondwell 12 may just be the answer... I need another CP/M computer about as much as a hole in the head, but in a weak moment, I purchased one of these machines last Saturday. Only problem so far is that no real technical info comes with the package. You do get full manuals on all the MicroPro packages plus the latest versions of DRI's CP/M 2.2 manual and command summary booklet. The manual on the computer itself is oriented towards the inexperienced, non-technical user. I have found that a technical manual with schematics is available from Bondwell for $25, BIOS on disk is $10. Even without the technical manual, I have done some sleuthing around and have been able to modify the excellent MXO-KP43.ASM file (Kaypro uses the Z80 SIO but a different baud rate generator) and I now have a working overlay for MEX 1.14. Features I don't like about the machine: SSDD 5.25" disks are small, the Bondwell format provides only 170K/disk. The feel and size of the keyboard are less than ideal and the key layout is more like a TTY instead of the more common VT100/Selectric layout. There is no fan in the unit and it gets warmer than I'd like to see for extended reliability. The video display uses a good font, with decenders, looks ADM3 compatible, but doesn't support half-intensity. Obviously (I hope), I have no connection with Bondwell International. With only 2 days experience with the package, I hesitate to give it any strong recommendation, but how can you beat it for the price? John Blalock, W7AAY uucp: ...{noao,decvax,savax,ihnp4,seismo}!terak!jb phone: (602) 998-4800 us mail: CalComp Display Products Division (formerly Terak Corporation) 14151 N. 76th St., Scottsdale, AZ 85260 28-Mar-86 17:21:04-MST,912;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 28 Mar 86 17:20:50-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000520; 28 Mar 86 18:51 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a002100; 28 Mar 86 18:35 EST From: Guy Berretta Newsgroups: na.forsale,net.micro,net.micro.cpm Subject: 300 Baud Modems For Sale Message-ID: <9507@ritcv.UUCP> Date: 28 Mar 86 03:32:48 GMT Xref: seismo na.forsale:539 net.micro:14887 net.micro.cpm:5764 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA FOR SALE: New Epson CX-20 Portable Acoustical Couplers (Modems). 300 Baud. N O T Hayes-Compatible. $75 each or best offer. Call Guy at 716-334-7300 ( 9 am - 5 pm EST ) or write: UUCP: !rochester!ritcv!mis0734 BITNET: MIS0734@RITVAXC ARPA: ritcv!mis0734@rochester.arpa CSNET: mis0734%rit@csnet-relay.ARPA 29-Mar-86 01:10:08-MST,826;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 29 Mar 86 01:09:55-MST Received: from nosc-gw.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001432; 29 Mar 86 2:24 EST Received: from cod.ARPA by nosc.ARPA (4.17/4.7) id AA09698; Fri, 28 Mar 86 23:21:46 pst Received: by cod.ARPA (5.31/4.7) id AA10148; Fri, 28 Mar 86 23:21:45 PST Message-Id: <8603290721.AA10148@cod.ARPA> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 86 19:00:33 PST Ppath: vista!crash!noscvax!info-cpm@amsaa From: pnet01!jthario To: vista!crash!noscvax!info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: CP/M 2.2 versus 3.0 What are the compatibility problems that exist, if any, between CP/M 2.2 and CP/M 3.0? -- jim ARPA: crash!vista!pnet!pnet01!jthario@nosc UUCP: {noscvax|sdcsvax|ihnp4}!crash!vista!pnet!pnet01!jthario 29-Mar-86 06:53:29-MST,2573;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 29 Mar 86 06:53:21-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002151; 29 Mar 86 8:18 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a012761; 29 Mar 86 8:07 EST From: Tom Gillispie Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Shugart Disk Drive Alignment Message-ID: <220@pedsgo.UUCP> Date: 26 Mar 86 18:09:45 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Organization : Concurrent Computer Corp. (a P-E company), Tinton Falls, NJ Keywords: Shugart, Lubrication In article <813@well.UUCP>, tyger@well.UUCP (Richard A Childers) writes: > > Hello, all, a question for those with knowledge and a willingness towards > sharing it : > > -------- Description of Shugart 801 problems, alignment disks, etc ----- One thing discussed in the original posting concerns me. I, too, have received suggestions about LIGHTLY oiling BOTH the guide rods and the lead screw itself. However, when I dug out my Shugart Associates Maintenance Manual, it clearly states that NO lubrication of the drive should be done, as the lubrication "allows dust and dirt to accumulate". I once read a tale about someone who 'lubricated' the lead screw in his drive with WD-40. Unfortunately, it disolved something which must have coated the lead screw into a goopy mess! Is there anyone who can contribute pro or con points of view about guide rod and/or lead screw lubrication? I have one other suggestion for ailing Shugart drives (and perhaps others, too). I found that the little plastic and cloth button which pushes against the back side of the floppy disk in order to ensure good read/write head contact with the disk may need attention. It is called the R/W Head Load Button. These are present ONLY on single-sided drives, obviously. The buttons on my Shugart drives had a very glossy appearance, I suspect from some bad disks which caused excessive oxide build-up. The maintenance procedure in the Shugart manual describes rotating the head load button to improve the amplitude of the read/write head signal. Finally, (sorry for the length), Shugart's part number for their 'Alignment Diskette' is SA120-1. This was obtained from an OLD manual, there may be a newer revision. -- NAME: Tom Gillispie UUCP: ...{pesnta|prcrs|princeton|topaz|hjuxa|vax135}!petsd!pedsgo!tom USnail: CONCURRENT Computer Corporation (a Perkin-Elmer Company) M/S 307, 106 Apple St., Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 MA BELL:(201) 758-7321 29-Mar-86 09:24:17-MST,603;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 29 Mar 86 09:24:12-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002295; 29 Mar 86 10:56 EST Date: Sat, 29 Mar 86 10:56:02 EST From: Herb Lin Subject: help on using PLOT33 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: LIN@mit-mc.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].865527.860329.LIN> there is a nifty plotting program for use with CPM/BASIC and Pascal called PLOT33. I have it, but I have some questions about it. If someone knows how to use it, could they pls respond to me? thanks. 29-Mar-86 10:26:16-MST,2648;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 29 Mar 86 10:26:00-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002420; 29 Mar 86 11:58 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a017452; 29 Mar 86 11:45 EST From: Gregory Smith Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Zilog Z80 assembler Message-ID: <2406@utcsri.UUCP> Date: 26 Mar 86 02:08:34 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In <2037@brl-smoke.ARPA> gviernes@BBNCCT.ARPA (Glenn P. Viernes) writes: >Does anybody know where I can get my hands on a reliable Zilog Z80 >assembler? I have used 2: UVMAC - from Software Toolworks, 14478 Glorietta Drive, Sherman Oaks, California, 91423 (213)986-4885 [ warning : that address is circa 1980 ] A decent, straightforward few-frills absolute assembler for Zilog Z80 mnemonics. Two of the frills are a Macro facility and conditional assembly. M80 - from MicroSoft, 10700 Northup Way, Bellevue, Washington 98004 (206) 828-8080 <= really.. :-) This is the Rolls-Royce of 8080 assemblers ( that I've seen ), and will also assemble Z80 mnemonics. All the macro and conditional assembly and listing control and etc. that your little heart could want. This is a relocatable assembler which produces an object module which must be linked using the supplied linker L80. It can also be linked with other modules, or with stuff from an object library, such as produced by the program LIB80, also supplied. ( You can roll your own object libraries ). The sophistication can make it harder to learn - but well worth it if you are going to be writing a lot of code. M80, L80, and LIB80 are supplied with MicroSoft's compilers such as FORTRAN, COBOL and the MBASIC compiler. I guess you could get them separately. Disclaimer: I have no connection with MicroSoft or The Software Toolworks other than having used their products. I do not stand to gain either from distributing this notice or from any sale of the above products. As to reliability, I have used M80 enough to know that if there are any bugs in M80 or L80, they are hiding pretty darn well. ( Actually, I know of a couple of tiny problems with M80, but they only arise when your code is incorrect in a very obscure way and I wouldn't sweat it ). I haven't used UVMAC much, but it has never given me any trouble. -- "No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn" -J. Morrison ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Smith University of Toronto ..!decvax!utzoo!utcsri!greg 29-Mar-86 14:31:59-MST,708;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 29 Mar 86 14:31:54-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002802; 29 Mar 86 16:03 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a019614; 29 Mar 86 15:57 EST From: John Blalock Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Zilog Z80 assembler Message-ID: <1115@terak.UUCP> Date: 28 Mar 86 16:39:13 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA xxx > Does anybody know where I can get my hands on a reliable Zilog Z80 > assembler? Check out ZAS, the Z80 assembler package sold for $69 by Echelon. Can generate .HEX or .REL files, includes linker and 8080 to Z80 translator. 29-Mar-86 14:37:25-MST,3944;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 29 Mar 86 14:37:13-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa02802; 29 Mar 86 16:03 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a019628; 29 Mar 86 15:57 EST From: John Blalock Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,na.forsale Subject: Re: WANTED CP/M SYSTEM Message-ID: <1116@terak.UUCP> Date: 28 Mar 86 16:55:22 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:5774 na.forsale:542 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > > I am looking for a CP/M system that can be run com- > pletely from an external terminal. I want one with either > 5.25 or 3.5 inch disks. I would also be interested in sys- > tems that have at least two rs232 ports. That way I could > change things around so as to avoid using the CRT. I have a > friend who wants to hook up a braille terminal thus a CRT is > of little use. > > Robert Jaquiss > The local Federated discount appliance stores are selling the Bondwell 12 for $399 this week. Also included are the following software packages at no extra cost: WordStar, MailMerge, ReportStar, CalcStar, DataStar, and CP/M 2.2. The Bondwell 12 has a 4 MHz Z80A, 64K RAM, two SSDD 5.25" floppy disk drives (TEC, 765 controller), a full ASCII keyboard with separate numeric keypad and 16 user-definable function keys, 9-inch amber CRT (6845), two RS232C serial ports (Z80A SIO/8253 baud rate generator), a parallel port (6821), and speech synthesis capability. Comes with program to allow SSDD disks in Kaypro, Osborne, and IBM PC formats to be used. Size, weight, etc. are compatible with the Osborne/Kaypro portables. Looks like it is a Hong-Kong Kaypro 2 clone. It also comes with a neat speech program that lets you type in sentences which it will then speak back to you. Can also voice annotate prepared files. The speech is obviously computer-generated, but very understandable. Your friend with the Braille terminal might want to try "SPEECH"ing a file instead of "TYPE"ing it... I need another CP/M computer about as much as a hole in the head, but in a weak moment, I purchased one of these machines last Saturday. Only problem so far is that no real technical info comes with the package. You do get full manuals on all the MicroPro packages plus the latest versions of DRI's CP/M 2.2 manual and command summary booklet. The manual on the computer itself is oriented towards the inexperienced, non-technical user. I have found that a technical manual with schematics is available from Bondwell for $25, BIOS on disk is $10. Even without the technical manual, I have done some sleuthing around and have been able to modify the excellent MXO-KP43.ASM file (Kaypro uses the Z80 SIO but a different baud rate generator) and I now have a working overlay for MEX 1.14. (The MEX overlay also includes my USR Password stuff and is in Z80 code so I won't post it, but will mail a copy if interested.) Features I don't like about the machine: SSDD 5.25" disks are small, the Bondwell format provides only 170K/disk. The feel and size of the keyboard are less than ideal and the key layout is more like a TTY instead of the more common VT100/Selectric layout. There is no fan in the unit and it gets warmer than I'd like to see for extended reliability. The video display uses a good font, with decenders, looks ADM3 compatible, but doesn't support half-intensity. Obviously (I hope), I have no connection with Bondwell International. With only 2 days experience with the package, I hesitate to give it any strong recommendation, but how can you beat it for the price? John Blalock, W7AAY uucp: ...{noao,decvax,savax,ihnp4,seismo}!terak!jb phone: (602) 998-4800 us mail: CalComp Display Products Division (formerly Terak Corporation) 14151 N. 76th St., Scottsdale, AZ 85260 29-Mar-86 22:15:33-MST,1810;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 29 Mar 86 22:15:25-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003450; 29 Mar 86 23:34 EST Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1986 21:33 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: "Stephen C. Hill" Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Z80 Debugger The s/w that you refer to is NOT in the referred place. I tried getting it when it first was announced, but the closest thing was a VERY anemic alternative called ZDBUG17.LBR. Can you find this hummer?? **************************************************************** Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@BRL.ARPA Subject: Z8E - at last! a free Z80 debugger for CP/M Z8E - a Z80 DEBUGGING MONITOR has been released to the public (it's copyrighted but permission has been given for non-profit use). Since that message was posted, the author was notified of some bugs and he issued an update. This has been in place here at SIMTEL20 for quite some time in its own directory and has replaced the earlier files. The present directory listing (excerpted from CPM:) is: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: Z8E.DQC.1 BINARY 92672 A47FH Z8E.TQT.1 BINARY 1664 0447H Z8EFIXED.COM.1 BINARY 11648 E981H Z8EFIXED.DOC.1 ASCII 3311 A336H Z8EFIXED.MQC.1 BINARY 112384 1D9AH Z8EFIXED.SYM.2 ASCII 169 55FFH Z8EVT.COM.1 BINARY 11648 5FE9H Z8EVT.MQ0.1 BINARY 1536 37B4H Z8EVT.SYM.1 ASCII 213 621CH These files were announced to Info-Cpm. --Keith 29-Mar-86 22:23:23-MST,1153;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 29 Mar 86 22:23:13-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003475; 29 Mar 86 23:57 EST Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1986 21:56 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Zilog Z80 assembler A good public domain Z80 macro assembler is available. Check out: Filename Type Bytes CRC SIMTEL20 directory PD: Z80MR.LBR.1 BINARY 41344 B0D0H If you are unable to access SIMTEL20 because of network restrictions please remember that MOST of the new files announced to Info-Cpm are also available on my RCP/M Royal Oak (MI) which may be accessed at 300 bps (Bell 103a), 1200 bps (Bell 212a), or 2400 bps (V.22 bis). The telephone number is (313) 759-6569. They are also available from the CPM RoundTable on General Electric Information Services' GEnie. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA GEmail: W8SDZ uucp: {ihnp4,allegra,cmcl2,dual,decvax,mcnc,mcvax,vax135}!seismo!w8sdz 30-Mar-86 09:48:13-MST,2079;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 30 Mar 86 09:48:05-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001032; 30 Mar 86 11:23 EST Received: from ($MAILER)UMDB.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/30/86 at 10:20:45 CST Received: by UMDB (Mailer X1.23b) id 3388; Sun, 30 Mar 86 11:21:35 EST Date: Sun, 30 Mar 86 11:07 EST From: MKATZ%UMDB.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: Directory To: Info Cpm newsletter Well, I received many replies to my directory problem. The easiest seemed to be to change a couple of numbers (Alloc0/1, #dir. entries -1) in the XIOS and everything should work right away. Unfortunately, that didn't work. I did get 2048 directory entries (instead of 1024), but I also got a lot of garbage in the directory after the MPM system files. I decided to give it another try. I looked at the XIOS files again. The only other number which seemed like it should have an effect was the number of directory tracks to cache (the Altos has a 64K disk cache which speeds things up a lot). Anyway, I got the same results. I think the problem is that INSTMPM (an Altos utility to install MPM on the hard disk) may have certain values such as the # of directory entries hardcoded in some way so that even when I change them in the XIOS, the initial installation will mess up the directory. I don't know what to do next. I don't want to try multiple logical disks, because I know that is more complicated and therefore more likely to run into similar problems. If anyone out there has any ideas, please let me know. The solution might be to bypass INSTMPM, but since I have never installed a hard disk without, I am not sure what I need to do. I don't know how to initialize the hard disk other than that the Altos manual says to erase the disk to E5E5 before installing MPM. There is a word in the XIOS that specifies what type of disk(s) are on the system, and it appears to be changed by INSTMPM. Manasseh Katz 30-Mar-86 10:26:24-MST,782;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 30 Mar 86 10:26:19-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001121; 30 Mar 86 11:47 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a001232; 30 Mar 86 11:41 EST From: Daniel Zigmond Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,na.forsale Subject: UNIX system wanted Message-ID: <513@spice.cs.cmu.edu> Date: 30 Mar 86 13:06:57 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:5777 na.forsale:545 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I'm in the market for a computer that runs UNIX. If you have such a system or no of a cheap one for sale somewhere, please contact me! Dan arpa: djz@spice.cs.cmu.edu uucp: {harvard ucbvax}!spice.cs.cmu.edu!djz bix: djz phone:412-422-1979 30-Mar-86 19:59:00-MST,1164;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 30 Mar 86 19:58:41-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001903; 30 Mar 86 21:35 EST Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1986 19:34 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Rick Conn Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: New Z Files In-reply-to: Msg of 24 Mar 1986 10:09-MST from Rick Conn Several new files have been uploaded to the ZSYS archive. They are: ... ZNODES22.LST - in PD: and PD: Listing of all Z-Nodes, as of 11 March Rick, there has been a problem with someone mis-naming the ZNODES lists. I've had the last four versions uploaded to my RCP/M with filenames that were HIGHER numbered than the header of the file says. This one is no exception. Here's the header from your ZNODES22.LST: .lh 7 .rm 79 .cw 11 .po 7 Echelon Z-Node List #20 11 March 1986 I already have a ZNODES20.LST, dated March 3, 1986. --Keith 30-Mar-86 19:59:11-MST,1661;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 30 Mar 86 19:58:45-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001901; 30 Mar 86 21:33 EST Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1986 19:25 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: commercial solicitations over arpanet Below is a copy of a message received from the Arpa/Milnet Network Information Center (NIC) on the subject of advertising. Persons posting messages from other networks which are gatewayed to Arpa/Milnet should also avoid posting "for sale" messages or we will loose our permission to gateway to/from net.micro.cpm. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA GEmail: W8SDZ uucp: {ihnp4,allegra,cmcl2,dual,decvax,mcnc,mcvax,vax135}!seismo!w8sdz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [From NIC@SRI-NIC.ARPA] The policy as it now stands is that nobody should do any sort of advertising on the net without prior approval from the Defense Communications Agency. There is also not to be any job soliciting done across the net. If such a thing is done on a person's BBoard, they sould not send any resulting messages on to any other BBoard. For more explicit directions on this topic you could contact Wayne Grindle (Grindle@DDN1) at the Defense Communications Agency DDN Program Management office, Code B627 in Washington, DC 20305. His phone number is (703)285-5045. Hope this gives you a flavor of what you were asking. Regards, Michele at NIC 30-Mar-86 20:42:35-MST,1563;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 30 Mar 86 20:42:26-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001936; 30 Mar 86 21:57 EST Received: from ($MAILER)UMDB.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/30/86 at 20:54:36 CST Received: by UMDB (Mailer X1.23b) id 3637; Sun, 30 Mar 86 21:55:18 EST Date: Sun, 30 Mar 86 21:45 EST From: MKATZ%UMDB.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: Sorry... To: GRUPP@mit-mc.ARPA, INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA It didn't work. I figured out the DDT86 commands to fill a chunk of memory with E5s, and write it to a file. I did that. The file did go at the beginning of the directory, though I have no way of knowing if it went for sure at the beginning of the disk. I made a couple pips with [o] until it appeared at the end of the dir. I made the changes to the XIOS, asembled, gencmd, pip, gensys, etc. I rebooted and I got a mess - bad sector error anytime it tried to read a CMD file (or look for one) on the disk. It did boot though, just wasn't very useful after it booted. Oh well. If you have any more ideas please let me know. I think the problem is that to really get it to work right, I need someone who has done this on an Altos 586 and knows what they are doing. Unfortunately, since the machine is used for a business during the week, I have to restore it to its former state. If someone has any more suggestions, I am still willing to try them - this really shouldn't be as hard as it is. Manasseh Katz 30-Mar-86 23:31:54-MST,1304;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 30 Mar 86 23:31:47-MST Received: from dca-eur.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002145; 31 Mar 86 1:08 EST Date: 31 Mar 86 05:50:52 GMT From: bower@DCA-EUR.ARPA Subject: ZAS Bugs??? To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA It appears that the Mitek ZAS assembler sold with the MicroMint SB180 board MAY have a minor bug or two in the parsing and error detec- tion portion. While manually converting some code from Intel 8080 to Zilog Z80 mnemonics and manually expand some macros (Why do things the easy way when there is a hard way available?), I inadvertantly entered the following incorrect mnemonics: SUB A,' ' SUB HL,DE Both, with some variants, were accepted by the assembler with no errors or warnings. The first appeared to assemble properly, but should have been entered as: SUB ' ' The second was the cause of loss of hair over the weekend due to much scratching. It generated a single 19H byte which is "ADD HL,DE". The desired opcode should have been "SBC HL,DE", since the "SUB" is invalid for 16-bit operations. Both of these are flagged by M80. The version of ZAS used was 2.0 purchased last fall with the SB180. Hal 31-Mar-86 05:46:10-MST,1259;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 31 Mar 86 05:46:03-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003154; 31 Mar 86 7:26 EST Date: Mon, 31 Mar 86 07:26:53 EST From: "Paul R. Grupp" Subject: Z8E bug To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].866660.860331.GRUPP> I have discovered another minor bug in Z8E.COM (the super Z80 debugger) in the terminal I/O section. It mixes direct and normal I/O Bdos calls which sometimes causes the Bdos to return incorrect status to Z8E. Another problem with the I/O the way it stands is that terminals which require no bias to be added to the ROW or COLUMN get bad cursor posistion information as the normal Bdos I/O calls expand ROW or COLUMN 9 (tab) to some number of spaces. Fortunately the fix is simple and can be entered using Z8E and the Z8E.SYM file. Following are the commands you type to patch this from CP/M. A is typed after every line. Z8E Z8E.COM Z8E.SYM A TTYQ+3 LD C,6 LD E,FF CALL BDOS POP HL POP DE POP BC AND 7F RET <-extra return needed to exit A command A TTYO+5 LD C,6 <-again W Z8E.COM G 0 That's all there is to it. --Paul 31-Mar-86 17:57:49-MST,1088;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 31 Mar 86 17:57:44-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a029275; 31 Mar 86 19:17 EST Received: from (MAILER)UICVM.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/31/86 at 14:45:42 CST Received: by UICVM (Mailer X1.20) id 5907; Mon, 31 Mar 86 14:44:15 CST Date: 31 March 1986, 14:30:32 CST From: "John M. Schulien\ " To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: SIMTEL20 I would like to download from the SIMTEL20 archives but I cannot figure out a way. I am at a bitnet node and cannot use FTP. I have thought of two ways to possibly get the files: Is there a way to send a batch of commands as a file to be executed on the SIMTEL20 machine? If this is impossible, is there a phone number in which I can (legally) dial up the SIMTEL20 machine and logon as ANONYMOUS, then send the files to myself at my bitnet node? (I have a 300 baud modem) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks - John Schulien. 31-Mar-86 18:29:29-MST,659;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 31 Mar 86 18:29:16-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a029361; 31 Mar 86 19:54 EST Date: Mon 31 Mar 86 16:55:47-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: New Z Files To: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <12195200256.7.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Thanks for your note, Keith. These files are compiled by Echelon, and the ZNODES LST I uploaded came directly from them, so I suspect it is an oversight on their part. Will report it. Rick ------- 31-Mar-86 21:38:10-MST,1022;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 31 Mar 86 21:37:33-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a029819; 31 Mar 86 23:07 EST Date: Mon 31 Mar 86 21:05:53-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: ZAS Bugs??? To: bower@DCA-EUR.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "bower@DCA-EUR.ARPA" of Mon 31 Mar 86 05:50:52-MST Message-ID: <12195245787.6.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Hal, the current version of ZAS is 2.2, and the bug you reported has been fixed (actually, the version is 2.2A). Note: MITEK Relocating Macro Assembler vers 2.2 page 1 0000 19 add hl,de M 0001 sub hl,de 0001 ED52 sbc hl,de 0003 D620 sub a,' ' 0005 D620 sub ' ' Rick -------