1-Oct-86 04:13:00-MDT,1187;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 1 Oct 86 04:12:52-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017190; 1 Oct 86 5:39 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a003498; 1 Oct 86 5:30 EDT From: Born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Disk cinversion for Apple format Message-ID: <5617@decwrl.DEC.COM> Date: 29 Sep 86 12:42:31 GMT Sender: daemon@dec.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA RE: Eric Swanson's assertion that there is an IBM-PC board that will read Apple disks. True. I don't remember the name of it, Quadram sticks in mind but that's probably wrong. But the board isn't a disk adapter, it's an Apple ][ emulator that will allow you to pretend that your PC is an Apple. It doesn't support format conversion between disk formats - when it's active, your PC is no longer a PC. The board will do almost but not quite all of the things an Apple ][ does, but unless there has been an upgrade, it isn't even close to an Apple //e or //c. Cheers, Dick Binder ARPA: binder%asd.DEC@decwrl.ARPA 1-Oct-86 08:29:35-MDT,967;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 1 Oct 86 08:29:25-MDT Received: from ardec-1.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a022702; 1 Oct 86 9:48 EDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 86 9:50:49 EDT From: "David G. Sampar" (PM-AL) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: MEX114 at 4800/9600 Baud Having used IMP244 and KERMIT405 for various communications chores on my HEATH H89A, I finally got around to trying out MEX114. This is a very impressive program and works fine for me at 1200 and 2400 baud. Trouble starts when I try to connect into my local mainframe at 4800 or 9600 baud. At these rates, MEX starts losing characters on the receiving end. I have tried turning QUEUE off and increasing PQSIZE (from 150 to 450) to no avail. Being new to the program, I'm wondering whether I have missed something. Any hints or pointers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Dave Sampar 1-Oct-86 12:25:08-MDT,1470;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 1 Oct 86 12:24:57-MDT Received: from bbnccq.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a029441; 1 Oct 86 13:42 EDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 86 13:10:24 EDT From: Bob Clements Subject: IBM PC and 8" CP/M To: info-ibmpc@usc-isib.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: clements@bbnccq.ARPA Help! I have almost all the pieces but I'm not quite there. I'm trying to get my IBM PC to read and write 8" CP/M format disks. Hence this posting to both cpm and ibmpc lists. I have just gotten an 8" disk controller (from Floppy Disk Services, Inc., a pretty good disk hardware supplier) made by Maynard. They sold me a device driver by Flagstaff Engineering which makes the 8" drives appear as DOS formatted devices and which allows low level access to the drives. I have Media Master, which goes between DOS and CP/M file formats, but only on 5" drives. They say they are not planning to support 8" formats. So I need the program that knows CP/M formats and runs on the PC. FDSI has one for sale, at the LUDICROUS price of $595.00! Does anyone know of something at a reasonable price? Or has anyone got some low level disk accessing code that I could use to write my own? Thanks, /Rcc Bob Clements - clements@bbn.com - {ihnp4,decvax,linus}!bbnccv!clements K1BC @ K1BC 145.09 and 221.11 MHz, Boston area [Everything above is the trademark of somebody.] 1-Oct-86 14:02:06-MDT,1668;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 1 Oct 86 14:01:35-MDT Received: from csnet-relay.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003362; 1 Oct 86 15:19 EDT Received: from umass-cs by csnet-relay.csnet id ag24247; 29 Sep 86 16:49 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Sep 86 09:35 EDT From: Stride 440 User To: info-68k@ucb-vax.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: New CP/M-68K files on SIMTEL20 X-VMS-To: CSNET%"info-68k@ucbvax.berkeley.edu", CSNET%"info-cpm@amsaa.arpa" These files comprise a PD 8080 (CP/M-80 2.2) emulator that runs under CP/M-68K. The emulator is the one published in DDJ. I made some modifications to properly handle the base page setup for the target processor (this only affects programs which use the second FCB in the base page). Here is a directory listing on the files on SIMTEL20: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: COM2.68K.1 BINARY 23808 5707H COM2.LBR.1 BINARY 50688 7230H The .68K file is a ready-to-run relocatable executable. The .LBR file contains the source code (four squeezed .s files and two undsqueezed .sub files for re-building the .68K file). Note: this is a straight 8080 emulator. There are hooks for some of the Z80 instructions, so an enterprising 68K assembly/Z80 hacker can implement a Z80 emulator. These files also exist on GEnie (in the CP/M RTL) and on BIX (listings, cpm area). I don't know if Keith Peterson downloaded to his RCP/M system or not. Robert Heller ARPANet: Heller@UMass-CS.CSNET BITNET: Helelr@UMass.BITNET BIX: Heller GEnie: RHeller 2-Oct-86 07:36:15-MDT,782;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Oct 86 07:36:06-MDT Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007132; 1 Oct 86 19:58 EDT Received: from (UZR50D)DBNRHRZ1.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 10/01/86 at 09:18:32 CDT Date: Wed, 01 Oct 86 15:14:51 MEZ To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA From: UZR50D%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: APPLE - ATARI DRIVES Hi, Can anybody give me some information about high-density drives (80,160 or more tracks) to use them with an apple //e and (!!!!) an atari 560. Which drives can I use and what controller have I to use? Espacially I'm interested in 5 1/4 Inch drives. Of course this project should not be too expensive. In hope for a response Ralf Schukey 2-Oct-86 08:57:51-MDT,708;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Oct 86 08:57:36-MDT Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007017; 2 Oct 86 10:09 EDT Received: from Muscat.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 02 OCT 86 06:56:19 PDT Date: 2 Oct 86 08:19:16 EDT (Thursday) Subject: Re: IBM PC and 8" CP/M In-reply-to: clements' message of Wed, 1 Oct 86 13:10:24 EDT To: Bob Clements cc: info-ibmpc@USC-ISIB.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA From: marty Message-ID: <861002-065619-1019@Xerox> Bob, Please forward any responses to me. I currently have the same problem. Or summarize and post to the net. thanks, marty 2-Oct-86 14:29:34-MDT,1486;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Oct 86 14:29:15-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018942; 2 Oct 86 15:32 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a017004; 2 Oct 86 15:30 EDT From: Jim Mealhouse Newsgroups: net.graphics,net.micro.cpm,net.micro.pc Subject: video to digital Message-ID: <1185@ncr-sd.UUCP> Date: 29 Sep 86 23:01:04 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [This must be the line eater] This is my first request on the net, so please be easy on me. I am a novice (very novice) graphics person. I hope I ask this in the right words. I am looking for a cheap way (buying or building) to take a picture (frame) from a video camera and to put it on my computer. This means to take the video and convert it to digital and to have a program convert it to match my graphics screen. I have a CP/M-MSDOS computer ( not IBM compatable) with 640/400 pixel resolution with 8 colors(no grey scale). I know that there are many boards out there for S100/IBM busses. What I would probably need is a system that hooks up by RS232. Or I could build my own adapter, which will probably not be easy. I would appreciate any information that any one could send me on how to do this or companies that I could get information from. Thanks in advance. (----------------------------) From: James Mealhouse Usenet: !ncr-sd!jimmy 2-Oct-86 17:40:42-MDT,1036;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Oct 86 17:40:26-MDT Received: from mit-xx.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023479; 2 Oct 86 18:48 EDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1986 18:52 EDT Message-ID: From: LIN@mit-xx.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: super LU-like program I'm looking for a program that -- adds/deletes members to a library -- allows viewing members of the library (even if squeezed) -- squeezes and unsqueezes members -- allows mass operations Some time ago, I heard of a program would do most of this; I think this program was called NSWP, but it had bad bugs in it (that trashed directories?); I seem to recall that these bugs were being fixed, but I haven't heard anything since then (several months ago). Can anyone help? (P.S. I tried loading the file called NSWP.LBR from SIMTEL20, but when I tried to use LU on it, I got a msg saying "Old library: no directory, and then LU aborted on me.) Thanks. 2-Oct-86 19:24:24-MDT,663;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Oct 86 19:24:08-MDT Received: from mit-xx.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023862; 2 Oct 86 20:52 EDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1986 20:56 EDT Message-ID: From: LIN@mit-xx.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: library format.. I have been having trouble getting libraries to unpack. I use LU 3.00, and I tried them on several downloaded *.LBR files. Every time LU gave up and said "Old Library: filename.LBR has no directory.. ABORTED." Can anyone help? LU 3.00 used to work for me on downloaded libraries.. thanks. 2-Oct-86 23:51:39-MDT,1120;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Oct 86 23:51:32-MDT Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025394; 3 Oct 86 1:07 EDT Received: from (MAILER)SCFVM.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 10/03/86 at 00:09:50 CDT Received: by SCFVM (Mailer X1.23b) id 0551; Fri, 03 Oct 86 01:09:53 EDT Date: Fri, 3 Oct 86 01:06 EDT From: "Bruce H. McIntosh" Subject: Apple to IBM PC To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA I can't recall offhand who made the query, but someone out there asked about a way of going from Apple disks to IBM PC disks. It just so happens that as I was sitting here flipping thru a back BYTE, I ran across an ad from Vertex Systems, Inc. They advertise a plugin board and some software that they claim will let your PC read/write/format DOS 3.3 or Apple CP/M disks. They can be reached at: Vertex Systems Inc. 6022 W. Pico Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90035 (213) 938-0857 Disclaimer- I have no commercial ties to anyone! 3-Oct-86 06:31:31-MDT,711;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 06:31:25-MDT Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002661; 3 Oct 86 7:53 EDT Received: from Aurora.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 03 OCT 86 04:55:51 PDT From: Dusel.Wbst@xerox.ARPA Date: 3 Oct 86 7:55:45 EDT Subject: Re: IBM PC and 8" CP/M In-reply-to: clements@CCQ.BBN.COM's message of Wed, 1 Oct 86 13:10:24 EDT To: Bob Clements cc: info-ibmpc@USC-ISIB.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <861003-045551-1976@Xerox> This is a problem I am also interested in solving. Please post your findings to the net, I suspect there are many of us in the same drive. Pete 3-Oct-86 09:30:55-MDT,1453;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 09:29:35-MDT Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008454; 3 Oct 86 10:41 EDT Received: from radc-tops20.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id a021141; 3 Oct 86 10:37 EDT Date: Fri 3 Oct 86 10:33:42-EDT From: Gern Subject: Re: video to digital To: jimmy%ncr-sd.uucp@BRL.ARPA cc: INFO-CPM@BRL.ARPA In-Reply-To: <1185@ncr-sd.UUCP> Message-ID: <12243856716.12.GUBBINS@RADC-TOPS20.ARPA> What machine do you have. I was thinking about building one for my Zenith Z-100 (S-100) CP/M-85, MS-DOS machine, but I just use on rare occasions a Data Translation device on an PC-BUS at work and copy the data for use with my programs on the Z-100. I was thinking of designing one for RS-232C, but even at 9600 or 19.2K Baud, it would take a minute or more to save/load images. Also, aside from the novelity, what good is it really? And the most important question - How much would you and/or the public be willing to pay for one? With development costs, PC-board design and manufacture, loan interests, parts (FLASH Video A2Ds are VERY expensive), I figured that a 640x480x256 grey scale device would cost about $600 to produce at cost, about $400 more for color. You might be better off designing a BUS Interface and be able to plug in S-100 or PC-BUS products into your machine. Cheers, Gern ------- 3-Oct-86 13:54:23-MDT,1534;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 13:54:11-MDT Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017352; 3 Oct 86 14:37 EDT Received: by ucbvax (5.53/1.17) id AA03392; Fri, 3 Oct 86 11:39:23 PDT Received: by jade.Berkeley.Edu (5.31 (CFC 4.21)/5.6.3) id AA27233; Fri, 3 Oct 86 11:38:12 PDT Received: by opal.Berkeley.Edu (4.20/5.7) id AA17447; Fri, 3 Oct 86 11:37:53 pdt Date: Fri, 3 Oct 86 11:37:53 pdt From: "William C. Wells" Message-Id: <8610031837.AA17447@opal.Berkeley.Edu> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, info-ibmpc@usc-isib.ARPA Subject: Re: IBM PC and 8" CP/M Cc: clements@bbnccq.ARPA In reply to: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 86 13:10:24 EDT From: Bob Clements Subject: IBM PC and 8" CP/M To: info-ibmpc@usc-isib.arpa, info-cpm@amsaa.arpa Cc: clements@CCQ.BBN.COM Help! I have almost all the pieces but I'm not quite there. I'm trying to get my IBM PC to read and write 8" CP/M format disks. Hence this posting to both cpm and ibmpc lists. ... The most versitile program I have seen is "Xenocopy PC" from Fred Cisim at Xenosoft, 1454 Sixth St, Berkeley, CA 94710, Phone (415) 525-3113. This product supports 5 1/4 (40 & 80 track), 8in, and 3 1/2in drives if you have the appropriate hardware. I do not know if can handle your controller or not. But it might be worth a phone call to find out. Program price is under a hundred dollars. Bill Wells 3-Oct-86 14:52:47-MDT,1141;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 14:50:54-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020410; 3 Oct 86 15:51 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a007759; 3 Oct 86 15:41 EDT From: rra202@uiucuxa.cso.uiuc.edu Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: What is a Z System Message-ID: <10100002@uiucuxa> Date: 29 Sep 86 21:17:00 GMT Nf-ID: #R:brl-smoke.ARPA:4045:uiucuxa:10100002:000:554 Nf-From: uiucuxa.CSO.UIUC.EDU!rra202 Sep 29 16:17:00 1986 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA /* Written 10:36 am Sep 23, 1986 by SAGE@LL.ARPA in uiucuxa:net.micro.cpm */ /* ---------- "What is a Z System" ---------- */ Z-System is the name of the CP/M-replacement operating system from Echelon, Inc. It uses Richard Conn's ZCPR3 for the command processor and Dennis Wright's ZRDOS disk operating system (replaces the BDOS). This is the state-of-the-art operating system for Z80 (and NS800 and HD64180 and even 8080 or 8085) computers. If you are not using it, you should definitely look into it. /* End of text from uiucuxa:net.micro.cpm */ 3-Oct-86 15:39:07-MDT,1232;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 15:38:23-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a014768; 3 Oct 86 13:41 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a003685; 3 Oct 86 13:32 EDT From: Marc Lewert Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Utah Software Message-ID: <120@triada.UUCP> Date: 30 Sep 86 21:10:29 GMT Keywords: CPM languages To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA *** I saw a request for info about the UTAH compilers (COBOL, FORTRAN, PASCAL, etc.). I must have missed the response (if any) on the net. Has anyone used them on a CPM machine? If so, what are your opinions about them? Thanks in advance marc -- ========================================================================= Marc Lewert UUCP: ...hplabs!pyramid!triada!marc Triad Systems Corp. PO Box 61779 MA Bell: (408) 734-9720 Sunnyvale, Ca. 94088-1779 Disclaimer: All views are my own and do not reflect those of my employer, friends, or family unless otherwise noted. ========================================================================= 3-Oct-86 16:23:48-MDT,1116;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 16:23:33-MDT Received: from umd2.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a022411; 3 Oct 86 17:34 EDT Date: Fri, 03 Oct 86 17:08:00 EDT From: Manasseh Katz To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: Apple Disks on PCs. Message-ID: From the October BYTE, What's New, page 42: Card, Software Let PCs Read Apple Disks The Matchpoint-PC package, which includes a card and software, lets IBM PC users read from and write to Apple DOS, ProDOS, SOS, and CP/M disks. The half-size card fits in a PC expansion slot and includes connectors and cable to hook it to the floppy disk drives. Besides Matchpoint software, the package comes with UniForm-PC (version 2), which makes the computer read CP/M disks as if they were PC-DOS disks. Used with the Matchpoint board, it also lets you use Apple Softcard and North Star CP/M disks on a PC. Matchpoint-PC retails for $195. Contact Micro Solutions Inc., 125 South Fourth St., DeKalb, IL 60115, (815) 756-3411. 3-Oct-86 16:54:28-MDT,1662;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 16:54:12-MDT Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020820; 3 Oct 86 16:04 EDT Received: by ucbvax (5.53/1.17) id AA05287; Fri, 3 Oct 86 13:06:41 PDT Received: by jade.Berkeley.Edu (5.31 (CFC 4.21)/5.6.3) id AA29169; Fri, 3 Oct 86 13:05:29 PDT Received: by opal.Berkeley.Edu (4.20/5.7) id AA18858; Fri, 3 Oct 86 13:04:53 pdt Date: Fri, 3 Oct 86 13:04:53 pdt From: "William C. Wells" Message-Id: <8610032004.AA18858@opal.Berkeley.Edu> To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA, Z8BHM%SCFVM.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: Re: Apple to IBM PC The only inexpensive product that I know of for handling Apple diskettes under PCDOS/MSDOS is "Matchpoint" from Micro Solutions, 125 South 4th St., Dekalb, IL 60115, phone: (815) 756-3411. This product is a half-size board that plugs into an IBM-PC and comes with "Uniform" which is a general purpose disk format conversion program. According to the Micro Solutions sales representative, "Matchpoint" can handle Apple DOS, ProDOS, Apple CP/M, and Northstar CP/M. List price is about $200. Contact Micro Solutions for detailed information. Xenosoft, Berkeley CA, may come out with a product in the future to go with their Xenocopy PC software product. Nothing is available from them at this time. Vertex Systems, Los Angeles CA, is no longer in business. Their telephone is disconnected. And I have verified with two of there competitors that they are doing business with the general public. Bill Wells Academic Computing Services UC Berkeley 3-Oct-86 17:07:26-MDT,475;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 17:07:17-MDT Received: from mit-xx.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023247; 3 Oct 86 18:02 EDT Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1986 18:02 EDT Message-ID: From: LIN@mit-xx.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: typing out SQed files.. Is there a program that will type onto the screen a SQueezed file IF that file is NOT in a library? tnx.. 3-Oct-86 19:15:24-MDT,6997;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 19:14:58-MDT Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023604; 3 Oct 86 20:24 EDT Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1986 18:27 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: What is a Z System This was posted some time ago, but because of it's current interest I'm posting it again. --cut here--Z-SYSTEM.MSG--cut here-- For those who would say that 8-bit CP/M is dead, I present the following edited exchange of messages from CompuServe... --Keith Petersen ------------------------------------ Dt: 17-Sep-85 01:49:43 Sb: A Z-SYSTEM Testimonial Fm: Peter O.E. Bekker 74106,1430 To: All I have just now emerged from 10 grueling hours worth of eye-crossing (glossing) installation work - but am proud to report the SUCCESSFUL implementation of ZCPR3 and Echelon's ZRDOS on a Kaypro 4-84. In short, a fully functional Z-SYSTEM. Without qualification I can say the Z-SYSTEM is a MAJOR boon to 8-bit computing. Rick Conn, Joe Wright and the folks at ECHELON are quite definately pioneers who have picked-up the ball from Digital Research and run with it...far beyond the goal post. (At first blush this would seem silly - who would want to run much past the goal post? That's probably what DRI asked itself..lo those many years ago.) Well - had DRI only answered its own question with the same kind of vision that made it famous in the first place, BIG BLUE and its conspirators might not have muscled it out of prominence so quickly and completely .. but I digress. Initial "interfaces" with the Z-SYSTEM have shown a TREMENDOUS improvement over CP/M..most particularly in the areas of "friendliness" and functionality. (It's MS/PC-DOS .. for those of us who don't much care for the EXPENSE of 16-bit computing.) While I'd like to babble on & on about Z-SYSTEM - I can't..lest someone get the idea I'm enthusiatic about it..or (perish the thought) suspect I have an equity interest in the distributor. (Wish I did.) But to demonstrate my serious intent - I am preparing a comprehensive DOC file for installation of Z-SYSTEM on a KAYPRO 4-84 (for my own records) and will be more than happy to post it here should anyone express even the slightest interest. It's not a breeze by any means but, when all is said & done, it is well worth the effort. To paraphrase a once obscure music critic named Jon Landau who several years ago sat through a Bruce Springsteen performance at a small Boston club.. "I have seen the future of 8-bit computing.. and its name is Z-SYSTEM." Dt: 17-Sep-85 18:22:54 Sb: A Z-SYSTEM Testimonial Fm: Eldor Gemst 74116,2714 To: Peter O.E. Bekker 74106,1430 (X) Is there any HARDWARE installation required with ZRDOS or is it strictly software? There must be alot of disk space required just for the system files - do you really feel the advantages of the system outweigh the disk space required? I can see it on a hard disk system, but am less convinced with floppies. Dt: 17-Sep-85 23:29:29 Sb: A Z-SYSTEM Testimonial Fm: Peter O.E. Bekker 74106,1430 To: Eldor Gemst 74116,2714 (X) You're right. ZSYSTEM is a MUCH more noticeable boon on hard disks than floppies. But there are considerable advantages on the smaller drives too. As for file space..I've enjoyed a GAIN using ZSYSTEM. First of all, ZRDOS is a direct BDOS replacement and takes up no more space than a machine's stock BDOS (even though it contains several significant BDOS enhancements. Using ZCPR3, I no longer keep PIP or STAT on most disks, saving 14k right there. Z3, as you know, has CPY and PROT to do most of the things PIP & STAT do. The REQUIRED Z3 files that every disk should have are ENV (the environment), LDR (to load the environment..and other things) and RCP (the Resident Command Package.) They are 4k, 2k and 2k respectively. So you see -by removing PIP & STAT (14k) I've freed-up 8k of space per disk since the ZCPR3 residents total only 8k. No hardware changes of any kind are required. ZSYSTEM is strictly an operating system change...but as I mentioned to Charlie, I've just now gotten it running and will be reporting back periodically as advantages and disadvantages are observed. I must say, though, that throughout the installation process, it became clear to me that ZSYSTEM is an intriguing and damn clever implementation. Dt: 17-Sep-85 23:27:27 Sb: A Z-SYSTEM Testimonial Fm: Peter O.E. Bekker 74106,1430 To: Sysop Charlie Strom 76703,602 (X) The ZRDOS advantages that come immediately to mind are the extended function calls you'd heard about. These include calls to set and reset a warm boot trap - a call to GET the current DMA.....ZRDOS also supports file archiving and wheel protection...You even get a DELETE key that works for command line editing since ZRDOS eliminates the troublesome ^R function. The BIG convenience, of course, is AUTO DISK LOGGING (just like MS-DOS) no more repetative ^C's each time a disk is changed..just take one out, put another one in .. and go. The error messages are a lot friendlier (and more informative) too. ZRDOS directly answers the complaints of those who say CP/M is too "unfriendly" to gain wider accpetance. And for programmers, it's a dream come true..particularly teamed with ZCPR3. Haven't benchmarked..not really set up for it. ZRDOS is written in Z80 so it's got to be a little faster that CP/M..though because of disk access slowdowns, probably not noticeably so. But I guess a Ramdisk check could be made. As for the vast CP/M 80 domain of programs..no reason why they can't be run under ZRDOS... But I've just now gotten this running and I'll report periodically to the membership on what I find. Dt: 17-Sep-85 23:24:55 Sb: A Z-SYSTEM Testimonial Fm: Peter O.E. Bekker 74106,1430 To: John Deakin (CA) 74015,1624 (X) Since ZRDOS is primarily a straight BDOS replacement, I will be concentrating [on writing] mostly (and in excruciating detail) on the installation of ZCPR3 in the K4-84. Included will be memory locations, sizes and uses...cold start patches for the BIOS, a change to lower the BDOS, a warm start patch to protect the CPR, step-by-step instruction on intstalling ZCPR3's main functions (ie External Path, Wheel Byte, Multiple Command Buffer.....in short, all the info I've been UNABLE to locate in the many ZCPR3 DOCs I've read.) I hope to list all this info in such a way that even a total dolt such as myself would be able to make sense of it and even get Z-SYSTEM running while reading it. -------------------------------- Peter Bekker's K4ZSYSIN.DQC is now available on most RCP/M systems. 3-Oct-86 19:37:24-MDT,744;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 19:37:07-MDT Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023623; 3 Oct 86 20:38 EDT Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1986 18:41 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: LIN@mit-xx.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: typing out SQed files.. Is there a program that will type onto the screen a SQueezed file IF that file is NOT in a library? This program will type squeezed files whether they are in an LBR or not: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: TYPEL36.LBR.1 BINARY 19456 B956H --Keith 3-Oct-86 20:49:45-MDT,758;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Oct 86 20:49:32-MDT Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023973; 3 Oct 86 22:17 EDT Received: by ucbvax (5.53/1.17) id AA11899; Fri, 3 Oct 86 19:20:35 PDT Received: by jade.Berkeley.Edu (5.31 (CFC 4.21)/5.6.3) id AA06852; Fri, 3 Oct 86 19:19:24 PDT Received: by amber.Berkeley.Edu (4.20/5.7) id AA13106; Fri, 3 Oct 86 19:19:33 pdt Date: Fri, 3 Oct 86 19:19:33 pdt From: swillett%amber.Berkeley.EDU@ucb-vax.ARPA Message-Id: <8610040219.AA13106@amber.Berkeley.Edu> To: LIN@mit-xx.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: typing out SQed files.. yes NEWSWEEP try NSWP208, the latest release, now available from your neighborhood RCPM 4-Oct-86 08:10:40-MDT,690;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 4 Oct 86 08:10:28-MDT Received: from mit-xx.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025602; 4 Oct 86 9:32 EDT Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1986 09:35 EDT Message-ID: From: LIN@mit-xx.ARPA To: swillett%amber.Berkeley.EDU@ucb-vax.ARPA Subject: nswp208 cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-reply-to: Msg of 3 Oct 1986 22:19-EDT from swillett%amber.Berkeley.EDU at ucb-vax.ARPA Where is NSWP208 available from now? Also, NSWP207 has a minor bug -- giving it a file spec as a part of the JCL line doesn't work -- it ignores it. Might you know if NSWP208 fixes this? tnx.. 4-Oct-86 08:11:16-MDT,717;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 4 Oct 86 08:11:05-MDT Received: from mit-xx.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025605; 4 Oct 86 9:34 EDT Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1986 09:37 EDT Message-ID: From: LIN@mit-xx.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: TYPEL36 Thanks to all who told me about this great TYPEing program. It does have one problem, at least on my system, though. If you try to specify a file from JCL, it demands that you specify the drive explicitly. If you wait until it drops you into its own processor (with the "*" prompt), then everything is fine. Am I screwing up, or is this a real bug? Tnx. 4-Oct-86 10:15:58-MDT,2649;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 4 Oct 86 10:15:42-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025987; 4 Oct 86 11:36 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a000928; 4 Oct 86 11:33 EDT From: Michael Kersenbrock Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Simtel <-> Usenet backward question Message-ID: <628@copper.UUCP> Date: 30 Sep 86 23:04:14 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA <-----------> I have used the new USENET<->SIMTEL access method (thanks!), and have fetched ccp104p.lbr. This is an enhanced and Z80'd CCP for CP/M 3.x . I have taken this and enhanced it. My enhancements include: 1. Implemented a Unix-csh style of history mechanism (storing quasi-conditionally the last 40 commands). Actually it works a bit better than csh. For instance, just after substitution, you are passed to the CP/M command line mini-editor. The csh "history" command is made a built-in "h" command. 2. Implemented a mechanism for easy further enhancement by HLL means. I think I may want to implement aliases next. No more of this assembly coding, I thought I gave that up.... :-) 3. I have made a small change that allows my CP/M "port" of the Neil Russell "make" work properly when using the option that stops-the-make when a make-step posts an error code. (I posted this "make" to net.micro.cpm a while back, and so perhaps I can be blamed for the ruckus that insued -- I had also posted a CP/M port of a shar/unshar program). Note that: a.) My "enhancements" are defeatable by conditional assembly flags in the header. b.) It remains "under 4K" which is the limit on my system without having to do anything tricky (although I *do* have my CP/M 3.0 build-disk under "make"...). c.) I also wrote a couple "c" utilities to get/put the CCP on the system-track of my floppies (making "installation" trivial). These would have to be modified for other people's machines, but they may be useful starting points assuming you know where your ccp lives. d.) I've labeled my version "1.04K" My QUESTION is this: In a week or two, after having tested this new CCP a bit more than I have so far, I'd like to distribute this back to SIMTEL in return for what I received. HOW DO I DO THIS? or: Does anyone really want CP/M enhancements anymore now-days? -- Mike Kersenbrock Tektronix Computer Aided Software Engineering Aloha, Oregon 4-Oct-86 10:22:43-MDT,1239;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 4 Oct 86 10:22:26-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025989; 4 Oct 86 11:37 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a001008; 4 Oct 86 11:35 EDT From: WGRCU%cunyvm.bitnet@BRL.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Disk cinversion for Apple format Message-ID: <106WGRCU@CUNYVM> Date: 1 Oct 86 20:38:20 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA QUADRAM came out with a product called the QUADLINK a few years ago. It consists of a board which you plug into your IBM PC and some software, part of which runs in PC mode, some of which you can boot in Apple mode to use for copying files. Unfortunately, I had to copy from Apple CP/M to IBM PC format, so I first had to find a program to copy to Apple DOS from CP/M. I managed to find what I hope is a public domain program on a disk which someone had given me (it's called CPMXFR), and after figuring out how to use it without any documentation, I managed to get it to convert my files to Apple DOS. Then, I got the PC booted in Apple mode running this thing they call the "Filer" and copied them to IBM PC format. It wasn't fun, but it worked just fine. 4-Oct-86 12:30:38-MDT,838;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 4 Oct 86 12:30:27-MDT Received: from office-1.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a026388; 4 Oct 86 14:07 EDT Date: 4 Oct 86 11:08 PDT From: Alan Bomberger Subject: HP LaserJet To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: I have acquired an HP LaserJet+ and want to take advantage of it using my old stand-by word processor (Magic Wand). I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me the printer interface (not the commands but the overlay at location 400 that has defined entry points and preset variables) of the PRINT processor so that I might write my own overlay for the HP . Of course if someone has already done this I would be delighted to trade or even pay for it. Thanks 5-Oct-86 12:09:57-MDT,1466;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 5 Oct 86 12:09:45-MDT Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a029022; 5 Oct 86 13:31 EDT Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1986 11:34 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Michael Kersenbrock Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Simtel <-> Usenet backward question Mike (and all), submissions to the SIMTEL20 archives are welcome. NON-Internet readers should make a LBR or ARC of the files to be submitted and then uuencode it. Send it via netmail to me using the same path you use for ARCHIVE-REQUEST. Substitute W8SDZ for ARCHIVE-REQUEST in the address. Please include a list showing the CRCs of the files submitted, as created by my CRCK.COM program using the "F" option to make CRCKLIST.CRC. Alternatively, the LBR or ARC may be uploaded free to GEnie's CP/M RoundTable software library or to my RCP/M and I'll see that it gets to SIMTEL20. Internet readers should NOT use netmail for file submission. Send a message to W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA for instructions on how to use FTP to transfer the file(s) to SIMTEL20. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie Mail: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 (300, 1200, 2400 bps) 5-Oct-86 22:22:57-MDT,1494;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 5 Oct 86 22:22:51-MDT Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000590; 5 Oct 86 23:53 EDT Date: Monday, 15 September 1986 05:51-MDT Message-ID: Sender: Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX From: Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX To: Unix-Sources@BRL.ARPA Subject: Updated YMODEM Protocol Description ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Sun 5 Oct 1986 21:56-MDT The YMODEM protocol description has been updated to nail down some loose ends left over from previous versions of the document, the most troublesome of which was inconsistient nomenclature. It's now available from SIMTEL20 as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: YMODEM3.DOC.1 ASCII 50529 AD3CH <--ascii Directory PD: YMODEM3.DQC.1 BINARY 32000 D967H <--same, squeezed Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf CIS:70007,2304 Author of Professional-YAM communications Tools for PCDOS and Unix Omen Technology Inc 17505-V NW Sauvie Island Road Portland OR 97231 Voice: 503-621-3406 TeleGodzilla: 621-3746 300/1200 L.sys entry for omen: omen Any ACU 1200 1-503-621-3746 se:--se: link ord: Giznoid in:--in: uucp omen!/usr/spool/uucppublic/FILES lists all uucp-able files, updated hourly 6-Oct-86 04:34:56-MDT,1623;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 6 Oct 86 04:34:49-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001619; 6 Oct 86 5:53 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a005030; 6 Oct 86 5:48 EDT From: David Dyer-Bennet Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Epson px-8 Geneva cp/m laptop cheap Message-ID: <278@starfire.UUCP> Date: 3 Oct 86 06:14:41 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA DAK Industries is liquidating the remaining Epson PX-8 "Geneva" CP/M laptop computers cheap. I have a px-8 bought several years ago for rather more, and I like it a lot; I was sorry to hear it had been discontinued. So I mention this to help it get a second lease on life in the bargain basement. They list the computer itself, the 120K ramdisk unit, the multi-unit (64k ramdisk, 300-baud modem, extra rom port), the 3.5 inch disk drive, and some software. They are pushing a package of the computer, the multi-unit, and a printer for $699, which is VERY good. For those unfamiliar with the px-8, it's a battery operated laptop with lcd 80x8 screen (implemented as a window over a 24x80 buffer, so normal software will run). Weighs maybe 5 pounds, fits into a briefcase along with other stuff. And it runs cp/m, so it's easy to develope software for it, and there's lots of commercial and pd stuff available. -- David Dyer-Bennet Usenet: ...ihnp4!umn-cs!starfire!ddb Fido: sysop of fido 14/341, (612) 721-8967 Telephone: (612) 721-8800 USmail: 4242 Minnehaha Ave S Mpls, MN 55406 6-Oct-86 06:15:52-MDT,1637;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 6 Oct 86 06:15:41-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003178; 6 Oct 86 7:34 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a006359; 6 Oct 86 7:31 EDT From: Art Zemon Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Utah Software Message-ID: <1621@felix.UUCP> Date: 1 Oct 86 19:06:32 GMT Keywords: CPM languages To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <120@triada.UUCP> marc@triada.UUCP (Marc Lewert) writes: > >I saw a request for info about the UTAH compilers (COBOL, FORTRAN, PASCAL, >etc.). I must have missed the response (if any) on the net. Has anyone >used them on a CPM machine? If so, what are your opinions about them? I have used the Nevada Fortran compiler on a CP/M system and was pretty satisfied that I got my $30 worth. The Utah compilers run on MS-DOS machines. Both series are sold by Ellis Computing. The Fortran compiler generated so-so code using BCD internal number representation. The result was then linked with a ~25 Kbyte runtime module which contained all of the library functions (even if your program didn't call them). I only wrote one moderate sized program with it. In the process I found no bugs. The manual was clear and also free of bugs. If you want an inexpensive way to learn a language, the Ellis products are probably a good way to go. I would not recommend them for large software products. -- -- Art Zemon FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, California ...! {decvax, ihnp4, ucbvax} !trwrb!felix!zemon 6-Oct-86 12:03:07-MDT,1196;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 6 Oct 86 12:02:51-MDT Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016652; 6 Oct 86 13:04 EDT Received: by ucbvax (5.53/1.17) id AA19807; Mon, 6 Oct 86 10:08:22 PDT Received: by jade.Berkeley.Edu (5.31 (CFC 4.21)/5.6.3) id AA10592; Mon, 6 Oct 86 10:07:09 PDT Received: by opal.Berkeley.Edu (4.20/5.7) id AA18014; Mon, 6 Oct 86 10:07:04 pdt Date: Mon, 6 Oct 86 10:07:04 pdt From: "William C. Wells" Message-Id: <8610061707.AA18014@opal.Berkeley.Edu> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: Apple to IBM PC Ooops. In: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 86 13:04:53 pdt From: wcwells@opal (William C. Wells) Message-Id: <8610032004.AA18858@opal.Berkeley.Edu> To: INFO-CPM@amsaa.arpa, Z8BHM%SCFVM.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: Re: Apple to IBM PC That should have been: Vertex Systems, Los Angeles CA, is no longer in business. Their telephone is disconnected. And I have verified with two of their competitors that they are no longer doing business with the general public. Bill Wells Academic Computing Services UC Berkeley 6-Oct-86 20:48:06-MDT,2167;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 6 Oct 86 20:47:57-MDT Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a026795; 6 Oct 86 22:04 EDT Received: from (RDROYA01)ULKYVX.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 10/05/86 at 08:28:07 CDT Date: Sun, 5 Oct 86 09:29 EDT From: RDROYA01%ULKYVX.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA Organization: University of Louisville Subject: Re: Disk conversion for Apple format To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA X-Original-To: ARPA%"info-cpm@amsaa.arpa",PFENNIGER@CGEUGE51.BITNET cc: PFENNIGER@CGEUGE51.BITNET Subj: Re: Disk conversion for Apple format There is a board that plugs into a PC compatible and can read/write Apple ][, //, //e, and Pro-DOS disk formats. It also reads/writes MS-DOS formats. It allows you to format disks for the Apple while on the PC and works with a multi-floppy or single floppy with hard drive PC. It can be configured to process the end of line string on one format so the other can use the file, to process the end of file marker, and to set up defaults for how/where the files are stored. The configuration is saved in a file on disk, so you can load different files for Pro-DOS and Apple-DOS. The office across from mine uses one regularly on a Tandy 1200HD. They say it works as advertised. I helped the guy install it, and it's relatively simple. I think it takes a half-size slot, but it may be a full-size one (?). It connects into your floppy controller I believe. It doesn't interfere with any normal disk activity. It only goes active when you run the supplied software for it. With the card, you can transfer files both ways either singly or by the disk. It also can give a directory for Apple or PC disks. The card gets a real workout, and I don't think they've had any trouble with it. I don't know the manufacturer, but the product is "The Apple Turnover Card." If you are interested, I can find the manufacturers name. Just send me mail if you want it. Hope this helps, Only known address RDROYA01@ULKYVX.BITNET 7-Oct-86 22:55:07-MDT,1372;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 7 Oct 86 22:55:00-MDT Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023953; 8 Oct 86 0:15 EDT Received: from (UZ32112)BLIULG12.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 10/07/86 at 11:38:46 CDT Date: Tue, 07 Oct 86 17:21:38 ULG To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA From: UZ32112%BLIULG12.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: NOTE from UZ32112 Date: 7 October 1986, 16:55:02 ULG From: Andre PIRARD +32 (41) 520180(449) UZ32112 at BLIULG12 SEGI - Universite de Liege 15, av. des Tilleuls B4000 LIEGE (Belgique) UZ32112%BLIULG12.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU To: INFO-CPM at AMSAA I enjoy your CP/M list, but would like to participate to some IBM PC discussions as well. I can only get partial information from our belgian EARN central node. Could someone help me find the way to a good mailing list? I've tried INFO-IBMPC-REQUEST@USC-ISIB.ARPA but got no mail from them but a kind reply each time I subscribed. I also heard of INFO-IBMPC@B.ISI.EDU, is it the same? Also of net.micro.pc, same again? Or is there anything else on Arpa or other nets? Please note that I only have mail access to Arpanet (no FTP from BITNET). This is why I take the opportunity to publicly thank Frank Wancho at SIMTEL20 and others for the help in setting up servers. 8-Oct-86 08:19:47-MDT,1539;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 8 Oct 86 08:19:41-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001113; 8 Oct 86 9:30 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a010598; 8 Oct 86 9:30 EDT From: William Swan Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: standardizing BDS C (sort of) Message-ID: <882@sigma.UUCP> Date: 7 Oct 86 21:59:36 GMT Keywords: BDS C, standards To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [] Has anybody "standardized" BDS C? I have been working (playing) with a BDS C compiler lately, and have been subjected to a number of annoyances related to its non-standard I/O routines which carry standard names, such as fopen(). A few years back somebody wrote a set of routines, sfopen() et al, that work like the "real" thing. I expanded and incorporated those into "my" libraries, but there is still the problem of finding and changing names in p/d programs to be compiled with BDS C. I would like to reorganize the standard libraries so that the "new" standard functions would work just like the "real" thing. A quick survey shows the following routines (there may be others) to be (possibly) nonstandard in some potentially critical way: puts() getline()? open() creat() read() write() seek()? tell()? fopen() fgets()? If anybody has done this before (or knows of it being done), I would appreciate sources, pointers, or hints. --- Bill Swan {decvax,allegra,ihnp4}!uw-beaver!tikal!sigma!bill 8-Oct-86 17:03:34-MDT,148892;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 8 Oct 86 16:54:35-MDT Received: from mitre.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008953; 8 Oct 86 13:31 EDT Full-Name: Jeff Edelheit Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. Return-Path: Received: from localhost by ernie.mitre.org (2.2/SMI-2.2) id AA09208; Wed, 8 Oct 86 08:26:49 edt Message-Id: <8610081226.AA09208@ernie.mitre.org> To: uz32112%bliulg12.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: NOTE from UZ32112 In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 07 Oct 86 17:21:38 ULG. <8610080447.AA05966@mitre.ARPA> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 86 08:26:19 -0500 From: edelheit@MITRE.ARPA Andre - Here is a 144kb listing of all the interest groups. Your guess about isib and b.isi is correct. The new domain naming convention is the b.isi. The difference between info-ibmpc and info-ibmpc-request is that request is the address used to get on the list. Your return address of UZ32112%BLIULG12.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU is correct. All I can suggest is that you can try sending a request to the request address and ask for confirmation of your request to be added to the list. I'll send the two most recent info-ibmpc digests as separate notes. Jeff Edelheit (edelheit@mitre.arpa) The MITRE Corporation, 1820 Dolley Madison Blvd. McLean, VA 22102 (703) 883-7586 ---------------------Cut Here----------------------------------- [ NETINFO:INTEREST-GROUPS-1.TXT ] [ 09/86, ZELLICH ] Part 1 of 2; see NETINFO:INTEREST-GROUPS-2.TXT for Part 2 of 2 Last Updated: 17 Sep 86 -------------------- PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS, UPDATES, ETC. TO ZELLICH@SRI-NIC.ARPA -------------------- CHANGES SINCE LAST UPDATE-NOTICE (11 Sep 86): AUDIO New mailing list (discussion of any aspect of audio). HY-PEOPLE New mailing list (discussion of hyperchannel networks in an IP network). SUMMARY OF MAILING-LISTS IN THIS FILE: PLEASE NOTE: The general convention is that for administrivia about a list (like getting added or deleted, asking about archive files, etc.) you write to list-REQUEST@host (e.g., HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU). This gets you to the moderator, rather than to the membership of the entire mailing list. 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Johnson EPSYNET (see entry for Psychnet) EPSYNET@UHUPVM1 (BitNet) EVOLUTION@KESTREL This direct-distribution mailing list is organized to discuss consequences of the theory of evolution, with emphasis on mathematics, on computer simulations, and on literature. While creationists in this group are expected to be few in number, and while they may not reasonably expect to be taken seriously unless they can introduce radically better evidence than creationists have in the past, we have no agreement to limit discussion of contraversal topics. The coordinator assumes no responsibility for opinions expressed in the group or for misuse. Archives are available only upon request to EVOLUTION-REQUEST@KESTREL. All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to EVOLUTION-REQUEST@KESTREL. Coordinator: king@Kestrel fanzine%plaid@SUN.ARPA This is the mailing list for OtherRealms, a Science Fiction and Fantasy fanzine being published electronically. This is not a moderated list or digest, this is a full magazine, published on a monthly basis. Back issues are available. All requests and administrivia should be send to fanzine%plaid@sun.ARPA. Coordinator: Chuq Von Rospach FIGIL The FORTH Interest Groups International List (FIGIL) is dedicated to any and all things connected directly or indirectly with the FORTH computer language. The list is not restricted to technical, professional levels; novice FORTH'ers are encouraged to take part. Also there is no particular implementation, machine, or product emphasiszed. Submissions are requested to keep in mind the issue of portablility of any specific source code. Follow a recognized standard when possible like Forth 79, Forth 83, or FigForth. Any submissions, letters, source listings, etc. will be resent to all subscribers. Copyrighted material, of course, cannot be resent by this list. Public Domain code only! Furthermore, Bitnet prohibits commercial distribution or advertising. 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Coordinator: Howard Walter HEADER-PEOPLE@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Interest specifically in the format of message headers and related issues such as inter-network mail formats/standards, etc. Recent messages are filed in MIT-AI file KSC;HEADER MINS, while older archives are in VAFB;HEADER MINS09 through MINS14. The ones more than 3 years old have been "reaped" but could be retrieved if anyone wants to see them. These files are accessible over the ARPANet via FTP. All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to HEADER-PEOPLE-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU. Coordinator: Pandora B. Berman Health-Net Health-Net is a digest for the discussion and answering of Health related topics. Subscribers may write with health related questions which will then be answered by either the moderator (who is presently a Health Education Graduate student at U.Mass., Amherst) or by other subscribers who are themselves health professionals. Beyond just being a source of answers to health questions, Health-Net is a place for discussing areas of health controversy in today's society especially those that apply to all of us. Letters of a personal or private nature should be sent to the Coordinator for editing prior to posting to preserve confidentiality. All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to RALPH%UMASS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU. Coordinator: Ralph G. Sbragia HEATH-PEOPLE@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Discussion of the construction, use, and modification of Heath terminals and computers, and related Zenith products. The archives of old messages are kept on MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, in files: COMAIL;HEATH MAIL1 -Oldest Mail COMAIL;HEATH MAIL2 -Next oldest etc. -Up to 8 as of 26 August 86 COMAIL;HEATH MAIL -Incoming mail is being added to this one These files are each stored in reverse time order (i.e. newer messages come first in the file, older messages are later). Each of the files is between approx. 100K and 150K characters. Copies of these files are available via FTP with no login needed. All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to HEATH-PEOPLE-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU. Coordinator: Michael A. Patton HORSE@CCP.BBN.COM Discussion of things equestrian. Horse enthusiasts of all disciplines and levels of experience are welcome. Articles are distributed periodically in digest format. All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to HORSE-REQUEST@CCP.BBN.COM (or UUCP address {ihnp4,harvard,ihnp4,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request). Coordinator: Ken Rossen {ihnp4,harvard,ihnp4,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!krossen HUMAN-NETS@RED.RUTGERS.EDU Mailing list originally consisting of the combined memberships of INFO-PCNET, HOME-SAT, and TELETEXT mailing lists. Human-Nets has discussed many topics, all of them related in some way to the theme of a world-wide computer and telecommunications network usually called WorldNet. The topics have ranged very widely, from something like tutorials, to state of the art discussions, to rampant speculation about technology and its impact. The list is extremely large, making it necessary to batch messages sent to the list and distributing them once each day during off peak periods to avoid overloading the system. The permanent archives contain all of the material distributed to the list. Due to size, this archive is broken down into several different files, stored in reverse temporal order. The files are currently stored on ARPANet host RU-BLUE in files RHYTHM:HUMNET.* (where "*" is a wild-card). All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to HUMAN-NETS-REQUEST@RUTGERS. 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