1-Apr-87 01:49:58-MST,1684;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 1 Apr 87 01:49:46-MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA08077; Wed, 1 Apr 87 00:38:25 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 31 Mar 87 03:34:53 GMT From: gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ncrpcd!ncroem!udcps3!turner@seismo.css.gov (turner) Organization: University of Dayton Computer Science Department, Dayton, Ohio Subject: hard drives for Osborne I and Kaypro II Message-Id: <126@udcps3.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa well folks, some of us poor people in this world are still faced with the problem of floppies with only 180 + or - KB. To enhance the problem, I work on systems where disk space is measured in 3 digit MB or GB. In essence I am spoiled. I am quite happy with my world of CPM and not the least bit intrested in MSDOS.(Yechhhha!!) (There, that should tick off a few people.) If i buy a new machine it will be a multi user unix system. Since rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was my bank account, that is a future option. Meanwhile, I want more disk space. Simple enough. Next problem, I ain't the time to design my own HD system, so if anyone in the wild blue yonder has done anything or knows anything about HDs for the before mentioned machines (OB 1 or Kaypro 2) please send me the information. Thanks in advance. Bob Turner CAD/CAM Lab University of Dayton, Dayton OH 513-229-3171 ncrcae!ncrpcd!udcps3!turner 1-Apr-87 03:48:32-MST,1328;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 1 Apr 87 03:48:25-MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA09324; Wed, 1 Apr 87 02:40:08 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Apr 87 07:41:09 GMT From: well!ari@lll-lcc.arpa (Ari Davidow) Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Subject: Re: CP/M on PC's Message-Id: <2855@well.UUCP> References: <8703301625.AA28361@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <8703301625.AA28361@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> MSRS003@ECNCDC.BITNET (Wiz zard) writes: >Has anyone heard of any programs which allow you to run CP/M 2.2 programs >under MS-DOS on PC's. I found one which was supposed to emulate a >Z-80 and CP/M 2.2 on GEnie, but it does not work. Are there any others >out there? Have you tried RUN CP/M by Micro Interfaces Corp., or Media Master Plus from intersecting concepts? The only problem with either program is that you cannot run Z-80 code, and that you need to replace your 8088 with a V-20. Within those limitations, you should be able to get by. 1-Apr-87 07:54:01-MST,1177;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ncsc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 1 Apr 87 07:53:51-MST Received: by ncsc.ARPA id AA04351; Wed, 1 Apr 87 08:51:36 CST Date: Wed, 1 Apr 87 08:51:36 CST From: jdb@ncsc.ARPA (Brown) Message-Id: <8704011451.AA04351@ncsc.ARPA> To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Re: CP/M under MSDOS The Z80MU CP/M 2.2 emulator on a PC is available from SIMTEL20 in the pc-blue libraries. The path is: pd: Contents of this volume are: PC/Blue volume 185 Z80 CP/M 2.2 Emulation operates under PC-DOS 185.01 820INIT .ASM 7K 6A E1 Z80 CP/M 2.2 Emulation 185.02 820INIT .COM 1K 85 BF / 185.03 820INIT .CTL 4K D1 5B / 185.04 820INIT .PRN 21K 7C C5 / 185.05 README .DOC 1K 7F 0F / 185.06 Z80MU .DOC 192K 6B E8 / 185.07 Z80MU .EXE 95K 72 EB / The convention used in the pc-blue archives is that files with version number of ".1" are binary and ".2" are ASCII. The program Z80MU seems to work well for the limited cases I have tried. Don't know about 820INIT. David Brown 1-Apr-87 15:47:40-MST,1188;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 1-Apr-87 15:47:29 Date: Saturday, 28 March 1987 12:21-MST Message-ID: Sender: Earnie Boyd AMSTE-TEF 4377 From: Earnie Boyd AMSTE-TEF 4377 To: info-hz100@RADC-TOPS20.ARPA Subject: V20-80.COM ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm at SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-Date: Wed 1 Apr 1987 15:47-MST It's hard to believe, but with V20-80, you can run modem programs, written for cpm under MS-DOS. One of my recent problems, is that I bought a USR S100 MODEM. Not only does it no work very well with USR 2400 MODEMS, but I have had a heck of a time finding an acceptable modem program (under MS-DOS) that could be configured for an S100 MODEM address. PRODRIVER, is not too bad, but it is strickly menue driven, and does not forgive more than ten errors in a file XFER, even if the file is B I G! Well I'm using MDM730, which was easy to reconfigur under CPM, on MSDOS by using V20-80.COM available at SIMTEL20 under PD:V20-80.COM............... THANKS Keith and Frank Earnie 2-Apr-87 06:00:51-MST,592;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from dmc-crc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Apr 87 06:00:44-MST Received: by dmc-crc.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA01745; Thu, 2 Apr 87 07:59:31 est Date: Thu, 2 Apr 87 07:59:31 est From: marwood@dmc-crc.ARPA (G. J. Marwood) Message-Id: <8704021259.AA01745@dmc-crc.ARPA> To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: dBase II Compiler Is anyone aware of a Public Domain dBaseII compiler ? Failing that, I would be interested in hearing about any commercial dBase II compilers. thank you Gordon Marwood 2-Apr-87 07:49:01-MST,1421;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Apr 87 07:48:51-MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA04051; Thu, 2 Apr 87 06:33:34 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Apr 87 12:24:09 GMT From: ucsdhub!jack!man!crash!kevinb@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (Kevin J. Belles) Organization: Avalon One Subject: Ithaca Frontpanel system info needed badly Message-Id: <967@crash.CTS.COM> References: <966@crash.CTS.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I recently picked up an Ithaca Intersystems DPS-1 with the "intelligent" frontpanel. I only have an inaccurate preliminary manual, and am looking for any information regarding the frontpanel, the power supply (fused on the DC side as well as the AC), and the Morrow Thinkertoys Wunderbus Noisegard 20 slot motherboard. Does anyone have any info out there? I'm trying to make it work, which is difficult without schematics. Help! -- Kevin J. Belles - UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd, akgua, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!kevinb ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ - ARPA: crash!kevinb@{nosc, ucsd} - INET: kevinb@crash.CTS.COM - BIX: kevinb -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2-Apr-87 07:49:36-MST,1669;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Apr 87 07:49:25-MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA04038; Thu, 2 Apr 87 06:33:06 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Apr 87 12:15:24 GMT From: ucsdhub!jack!man!crash!kevinb@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (Kevin J. Belles) Organization: Avalon One Subject: UNIFORM-like programs for C/M 2.2 Message-Id: <966@crash.CTS.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I'm looking for a program, like UNIFORM, that will enable me to read and write on various disk formats. I have contacted both Uniform and Media Master, and neither seem to version for either of my machines, a CCS System 200 and a Compupro Z-80 based system. I will be checking out Compat by Mycroft Labs tomorrow, but from what I hear not much chance. Did anybody ever make a more or less "generic" or user-configureable format program? I can provide the DPBs for the disktypes I want to read, but although I can think of a good, effectiveway to make such a program, I don't understand how bitmaps and the DPB math workwell enough to write it myself. Any ideas? I will summarize to the net as it becomes necessary. -- Kevin J. Belles - UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd, akgua, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!kevinb ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ - ARPA: crash!kevinb@{nosc, ucsd} - INET: kevinb@crash.CTS.COM - BIX: kevinb -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2-Apr-87 10:13:13-MST,1117;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from lll-lcc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Apr 87 10:13:07-MST Received: Thu, 2 Apr 87 08:31:57 PST from lll-es-s05.arpa by lll-lcc.ARPA (5.51/) id AA08443; Thu, 2 Apr 87 08:31:57 PST Return-Path: Received: by lll-es-s05.ARPA (1.1/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA24242; Thu, 2 Apr 87 09:18:51 PST Message-Id: <8704021718.AA24242@lll-es-s05.ARPA> Date: Thu Apr 2 09:18:48 1987 From: hanscom@lll-es-s05 (Roger Hanscom 423-0441) Subject: Z80MU on pd: To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Status: N 820INIT is just a little example program. It initializes a serial port on a Xerox 820, I think. Obviously, it is of little use on a PC or clone, other than for trying out your favorite editor/assembler/linker. I have used Z80MU on a clone, and had good luck with it. Things like USQ, DELBR, LU310 all seem to work well. The only change I notice is that it is ***SLOW***. I'm glad to see that it is available on SIMTEL20. It is a very nice piece of pd software. ---Roger Hanscom-- 2-Apr-87 11:50:43-MST,1165;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.COM by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Apr 87 11:50:28-MST Received: from Gamay.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 02 APR 87 10:40:26 PST Date: 2 Apr 87 10:39:16 PST (Thursday) From: Bicer.ES@Xerox.COM Subject: TIMER.COM To: info-ibmpc@C.ISI.EDU, PC-SIG^.x@Xerox.COM cc: info-micro@brl-vgr.arpa, info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Reply-To: Bicer.ES@Xerox.COM Message-ID: <870402-104026-5252@Xerox> Does anyone have the Taiwaneese Multi I/O Card with floppy controller, parallel printer port, 2 serial ports, battery backed up clock/calendar and game adapter? There doesn't seem to be a brand name on the manual, which has a shiny grey cover. The name MUSTEK is printed at the back of the manual. The board was purchased from MEGATECH. I am looking for the software which drives the clock/calendar, TIMER.COM. Apparently there is another manual which explains how to access the device, but I don't have it. I know this is a long shot, but if anyone out there has any information on this, I will really appreciate if you could contact me. Thanks in advance, Jack Bicer Bicer.ES@Xerox.COM 2-Apr-87 12:03:37-MST,1567;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ncsc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Apr 87 12:03:22-MST Received: by ncsc.ARPA id AA05449; Thu, 2 Apr 87 13:01:07 CST Date: Thu, 2 Apr 87 13:01:07 CST From: jdb@ncsc.ARPA (Brown) Message-Id: <8704021901.AA05449@ncsc.ARPA> To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: ANchor Volks 6480 modem Does anyone out there have a modem overlay for MEX, IMP or MODEM7 to allow use of a Anchor Automation Volksmodem 6480? It's not Hayes- or anything else-compatable. I got it partially working with MEX using the C128 overlays as samples and borrowing sections of code (timing, etc). It "almost" works in terminal mode but gets lots of data errors, primarily character swaps not garbled characters. It looks like the first character of a line will show up later in the text. I know its something I'm doing wrong, but haven't figured out what yet. By the way, this is the modem you get if you order the 300/1200 baud modem for a C64/C128 for $79 from Protecto. Programming info is non- existent with the modem, but Anchor will send you some cryptic photocopied sheets which consist mainly of a assembly language listing of a dialer routine. It has almost no comments and uses very descriptive labels such as "d", "g", etc. If you are thinking of getting a 1200 baud modem for your C128, stick to the 1670. I have seen them advertized in the mags for as low as $99. The extra $20 is well spent I have no association with Anchor or Protecto except as a not-very-satisfied customer. David Brown 2-Apr-87 14:08:26-MST,780;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 2-Apr-87 14:08:02 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1987 14:08 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: CP/M under MSDOS In-reply-to: Msg of 1 Apr 1987 07:51-MST from jdb at ncsc.ARPA (Brown) The latest versions of the CP/M 2.2 emulators for MSDOS are alive and well on Simtel20: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: V20-80.COM.1 BINARY 7552 2D8BH Z80MU310.ARC.1 BINARY 165376 E0F5H --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie Mail: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 (300, 1200, 2400 bps) 2-Apr-87 15:31:44-MST,656;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.COM by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Apr 87 15:31:39-MST Received: from PinotNoir.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 02 APR 87 14:29:13 PST Date: 2 Apr 87 14:29 PST From: ghenis.pasa@Xerox.COM Subject: Re: hard drives for Osborne I and Kaypro II In-reply-to: gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ncrpcd!ncroem!udcps3!turner@seismo.css.gov (turner)'s message of 31 Mar 87 03:34:53 GMT To: turner@seismo.css.gov cc: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Message-ID: <870402-142913-5653@Xerox> You may find out that a HD for an O-1 costs almost as much as an MS-DOS machine with a HD... not the greatest bargain in the world! 2-Apr-87 21:24:29-MST,716;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from MIT-MULTICS.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 2 Apr 87 21:24:19-MST Date: Thu, 2 Apr 87 23:19 EST From: John C Klensin Subject: Re: CP/M on PC's To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <870403041914.308426@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA> The Media Master Plus product referred to by Ari Davidow in his note from the 1st does NOT require a V-20. If the V-20 is not there, it does software emulation of the 8080 and Z-80 instruction set, at speeds that might best be described as 'slowly' and 'very slowly'. But you would need the V-20 only if you need performance as well as the ability to occasionally run the programs. 3-Apr-87 03:49:51-MST,1683;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Apr 87 03:49:37-MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA22769; Fri, 3 Apr 87 02:40:38 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Mar 87 20:25:42 GMT From: ctnews!pyramid!prls!philabs!ttidca!hollombe@SRI-UNIX.ARPA (The Polymath) Organization: The Cat Factory Subject: Osborne-1 Communications Message-Id: <600@ttidca.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I need advice/recommendations on data communications programs for an Osborne-1. Requirements are: Runs on Osborne-1 (Tan case, DD, 52/80/104, 360K Drive-C) 300/1200 bps Hayes compatible Uses RS-232 port (not the modem port) Terminal emulation Data capture capability XMODEM protocol capability Preferred additional features: Kermit protocol Auto-dial/re-dial Ideal but not necessary: VT-100 emulation 2400 bps capability Split screen for incoming/outgoing data Osborne CommPac modem compatibility I'm particularly interested in public domain programs or those under $50. More expensive may be ok if it's really super-duper, all singing, all dancing, etc., etc. Replies to me will be summarized to the net. -- The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, hollombe@TTI.COM) Citicorp(+)TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (213) 450-9111, x2483 Santa Monica, CA 90405 {csun|philabs|psivax|trwrb}!ttidca!hollombe 3-Apr-87 05:49:25-MST,1654;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Apr 87 05:49:13-MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA24383; Fri, 3 Apr 87 04:33:56 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 3 Apr 87 09:03:53 GMT From: ucsdhub!jack!man!crash!victoro@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (Dr. Snuggles) Organization: Whizbang Enterprises Subject: Re: TIMER.COM Message-Id: <976@crash.CTS.COM> References: <870402-104026-5252@Xerox> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <870402-104026-5252@Xerox> Bicer.ES@Xerox.COM writes: > > >Does anyone have the Taiwaneese Multi I/O Card with floppy controller, >parallel printer port, 2 serial ports, battery backed up clock/calendar >and game adapter? There doesn't seem to be a brand name on the manual, >which has a shiny grey cover. The name MUSTEK is printed at the back of >the manual. The board was purchased from MEGATECH. > Gee sounds great, I presume it's an S-100 card, or does it use the Z-80 bus? I didn't think there were S-100 cards from Taiwan, but who knows.. ;-) -- Victor O'Rear {hplabs!hp-sdd, akgua, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!victoro ARPA: crash!victoro@nosc and the Byte Information eXchange [victoro] or the STAR-Answering Machine @ (619) 589-0404 (24 Hour) And they told us, what they wanted.. Was a sound that could kill some-one, from a distance. K. Bush - Inspiration for many a project here at Wizbang 3-Apr-87 11:52:03-MST,967;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ncsc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 3 Apr 87 11:51:46-MST Received: by ncsc.ARPA id AA03263; Fri, 3 Apr 87 12:42:04 CST Date: Fri, 3 Apr 87 12:42:04 CST From: jdb@ncsc.ARPA (Brown) Message-Id: <8704031842.AA03263@ncsc.ARPA> To: Ghenis.pasa@Xerox.COM, INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Re: CP/M under MSDOS Cc: jdb@ncsc.ARPA Sorry, I don't remember the specific programs I tried. Just downloaded a few at random to see if it really worked. One that I tried that didn't work was the CHEF program in the pd: directory. A friend wanted a recipe program for his PC to convince his wife how useful this thing he was spending so much money (and time) was. I have since noticed that there has been an update to CHEF so I don't know if it was a Z80MU problem or a CHEF problem. If I get around to tryingh it again, I will try to do a more controlled test and let you know. david brown 4-Apr-87 01:00:55-MST,557;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Jpl-VLSI.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 4 Apr 87 01:00:36-MST Date: Fri, 3 Apr 87 18:20:13 PST From: dowst@Jpl-VLSI.ARPA Message-Id: <870403182013.04a@Jpl-VLSI.ARPA> Subject: ADC Modem To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa X-ST-Vmsmail-To: ST%"info-cpm@simtel20.arpa",DOWST I have used the ADC modem on an Apple //e for about 15 months. The unit is actually made by Prometheus. There have been no problems. A friend uses one on a 512k Mac and is satixfied Henry Dowst KA6KNJ 4-Apr-87 01:24:03-MST,1794;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 4 Apr 87 01:23:40-MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA08199; Fri, 3 Apr 87 19:07:10 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Apr 87 21:16:17 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!cagordon@seismo.css.gov Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Subject: Wanted: GOOD C compiler for C128 under CP/M 3.0 Message-Id: <12766@watnot.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Well I think the subject line says most of it but anyway... Does anyone know where I can get a GOOD compiler (not something like the Small C compiler which I have and don't like). This should run under CP/M 3.0+ on a Commodore 128. I would also prefer that it compiled to the extended Z80 mnemonics but that's not THAT important. I also would prefer that it did NOT work like Small C. ie. c program -> assembler program -> .REL files -> link'em. That is a pain in the *ss. (and I don't even have an assembler which can assemble .MAC files in the format that Small C produces so Small C is useless to me). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Gordon UUCP: {abunchasystems}!watmath!watnot!cagordon U of Waterloo, Ont CompuServe: 72030,104 Q-Link: ChrisG22 CSNET: cagordon%watnot@Waterloo.CSNET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When you care enough to send the very best, send MONEY! 4-Apr-87 09:27:48-MST,1161;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 4-Apr-87 09:26:52 Date: Monday, 30 March 1987 05:36-MST Message-ID: Sender: Earnie Boyd AMSTE-TEF 4377 From: Earnie Boyd AMSTE-TEF 4377 To: info-hz100@RADC-TOPS20.ARPA Subject: V20-80 update ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm at SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-Date: Sat 4 Apr 1987 09:26-MST Sorry, I left out one small detail that I didn't find out until the next day - ZPC must have been installed. It is not necessary, or benificial to be in the PC mode, but unless ZPC has been installed, V20-80 will hang the system with the infamous "WILD INTERRUPT. Other CPM programs that seem to work are: MDM740, MEX, BiShow, NewSweep, NULU11, SuperDirectory, and setids. My versions of Modem730, MDM740 and MEX have been patched for an S100 Modem at '30H'. QuicKey of course doesn't work - only an eternal optimist would even try! Earnie PS. For whatever reason, our host is not receiving INFO-HZ100, so for further info or questions, email me direct. eb. 5-Apr-87 03:49:48-MDT,1804;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 5 Apr 87 03:49:31-MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA27737; Sun, 5 Apr 87 01:41:15 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 4 Apr 87 18:05:10 GMT From: rocksvax!rocksanne!sunybcs!ugbowen@CS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Devon Bowen) Organization: SUNY/Buffalo Computer Science Subject: Re: Wanted: GOOD C compiler for C128 under CP/M 3.0 Message-Id: <2842@sunybcs.UUCP> References: <12766@watnot.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <12766@watnot.UUCP> cagordon@watnot.UUCP (Chris Gordon) writes: > >Does anyone know where I can get a GOOD compiler (not something like the >Small C compiler which I have and don't like). This should run under CP/M 3.0+ > I know they're coming out with Turbo C for the IBM, but I'm not sure if there will be a CP/M version. I'd certainly like that. It's supposed to be fully K&R compatible. I worked with Turbo Pascal a lot and if Turbo C is anything like it, it should be a must have. Does anyone know anything about Turbo C for the CP/M OS? Devon Bowen (KA2NRC) University of Buffalo ******************************************************** csnet: ugbowen@buffalo.CSNET uucp: ..!{allegra,decvax,watmath,rocksanne}!sunybcs!ugbowen BITNET: ugbowen@sunybcs.BITNET BBS: (716) 672-8843 (On-line: Computer Access Center) Voice: (716) 836-7358 USnail: 67 Lisbon Ave; Buffalo, NY; 14214 ******************************************************** 6-Apr-87 05:21:08-MDT,1470;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 6 Apr 87 05:21:02 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA11698; Mon, 6 Apr 87 03:11:40 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Apr 87 17:45:37 GMT From: cbatt!cwruecmp!hal!ncoast!wb8foz@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David Lesher) Organization: Cleveland Public Access UN*X, Cleveland, Oh Subject: Re: UNIFORM-like programs for C/M 2.2 Message-Id: <2296@ncoast.UUCP> References: <966@crash.CTS.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa > Article <966@crash.CTS.COM> From: kevinb@crash.CTS.COM (Kevin J. Belles) # Did anybody ever make a more # or less "generic" or user-configureable format program? I doubt that such is possible. The multiformat programs must talk to the disk controller on a intimate, low down, hardware level in order to function. Since the CP/M machines (and many others-to be fair) had differing hardware, in various locations..... But good luck anyhow! -- decvax!cwruecmp!ncoast!wb8foz ncoast!wb8foz@case.csnet (ncoast!wb8foz%case.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA) "SERIOUS? Bones, it could upset the entire percentage!" NRO Mossad intercept igniters plutonium Ollie North Tehran 6-Apr-87 19:23:04-MDT,952;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 6-Apr-87 19:22:54 Date: 6 Apr 87 3:15 -0800 Message-ID: Sender: Ken Wallewein From: Ken Wallewein To: info-cpm-request@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Wanted: GOOD C compiler for C128 under CP/M 3.0 ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm at SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-Date: Mon 6 Apr 1987 19:22-MDT Nearly all C compilers work the way you described (compile, assemble, link, run). It can be a pain at times, but it has it's advantages. Small C has it's own assembler and linker - at least, mine does. It's for vanilla CP/M, so it should work on your machine. I usually use Manx/Aztec C V1.06, which is pretty complete and powerful. If you want fact, use the famous BDS C. It's to C what Turbo is to Pascal. Be aware that is uses non-standard file I/O. /kenw 6-Apr-87 19:55:37-MDT,2819;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 6 Apr 87 19:55:11 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA26853; Mon, 6 Apr 87 17:45:12 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Apr 87 20:03:12 GMT From: cbmvax!daveh@RUTGERS.EDU (Dave Haynie) Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Subject: Re: Wanted: GOOD C compiler for C128 under CP/M 3.0 Message-Id: <1633@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> References: <12766@watnot.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa in article <12766@watnot.UUCP>, cagordon@watnot.UUCP says: > Xref: cbmvax comp.sys.cbm:332 comp.os.cpm:446 > > > Well I think the subject line says most of it but anyway... > > Does anyone know where I can get a GOOD compiler (not something like the > Small C compiler which I have and don't like). This should run under CP/M 3.0+ > on a Commodore 128. I would also prefer that it compiled to the extended Z80 > mnemonics but that's not THAT important. I also would prefer that it did NOT > work like Small C. ie. c program -> assembler program -> .REL files -> link'em. > That is a pain in the *ss. (and I don't even have an assembler which can > assemble .MAC files in the format that Small C produces so Small C is useless > to me). I'd suggest contacting MANX Software Systems for their Aztec C compiler for the C128. I know many of people using their Amiga version, and they like it quite a bit. All of the larger machine versions come with linkers, so I'd expect to find a linker and everything else you need with the C128 version. As I recall, the C128 version runs in CP/M mode, but will actually produce compiled code for CP/M, C128, or C64 modes. Your best bet would be to call them: the numbers I have are (800)221-0440, or (201)542-2121 and they can probably answer all you questions. Amiga versions of the compiler go from $199 to $499 depending on the utilities, etc. and the version of the compiler you get. I'd expect the C128 versions to be in the same ballpark. (DISCLAIMER: I've got no ties to MANX, they won't even send me kickbacks) > Chris -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Haynie Commodore Technology // /| ___ __ __ __ {ihnp4|caip|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh |\ // /_| | / \ / \ / \ Commodore rarely admits to knowing me, \\// / | +--+ | | | | | | much less sharing my personal opinions. \/ / | |___ \__/ \__/ \__/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 6-Apr-87 21:21:56-MDT,1361;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 6 Apr 87 21:21:48 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA27794; Mon, 6 Apr 87 18:52:16 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Apr 87 11:59:33 GMT From: ihnp4!homxb!houxm!whuts!wsd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (DINSMORE) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Whippany, NJ Subject: Re: Wanted: GOOD C compiler for C128 under CP/M 3.0 Message-Id: <1704@whuts.UUCP> References: <12766@watnot.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa [munch munch munch...] The Small-C compiler should come with the necssary programs to fully compile and link your creations. I have the complete package which produces Z80 code but alas contains minimal docs on the assembler Zmac and the linker Zlink. Although Small-C is definately a small subset of C, I find the libraries and doc files excellent for the price, $10. If the programs for Zmac and Zlink are needed, I will upload them to whoever knows how to put them in the SIMTEL libraries, assuming they are not there already. (Still trying to figure out how to un-uuencode) Wayne Dinsmore 7-Apr-87 02:52:09-MDT,1081;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 7 Apr 87 02:51:56 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA02575; Tue, 7 Apr 87 00:34:44 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Apr 87 06:28:00 GMT From: hp-pcd!orstcs!go@hplabs.hp.com Subject: Any good Pascals for CP/M2.2? Message-Id: <216600002@orstcs> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I have an associate that wants to do some "light-duty" control programming in Pascal for an old Z80 machine he has lying around. It runs CP/M 2.2. Are there any suggestions from the crowd regarding what would be a good choice here? I know about DRI's Pascal MT+. I have used it and won't recommend that. Does Turbo-pascal still exist for cp/m? Direct all responses to me by mail, please. Thanks for the help. ...!hplabs!!hp-pcd!orstcs!go (Gary Oliver) 8-Apr-87 04:12:08-MDT,789;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:TTTLEH5@NEUVM1.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 8 Apr 87 04:11:54 MDT Received: from NEUVM1.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/08/87 at 04:09:41 CDT Date: WEDNESDAY 04/08/87 11:06:13 DNT To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: TTTLEH5%NEUVM1.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Subject: Misc problems... Hi cpm people. Three problems: 1) Does anyone knows the price of Manx/Aztec C V1.06 (newest?) for cp/m?? 2) How to patch z8e to use another restart number for breakpoints? 3) How to avoid siesmo.uucp when having an uucp connection to mcvax.uucp? Thanks in advance, Klaus Elmquist Nielsen bitnet: tttleh5.neuvm1 uucp: mcvax!diku!iddth!klaus -- any spelling errors ??? 8-Apr-87 11:48:24-MDT,970;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.COM by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 8 Apr 87 11:48:15 MDT Received: from CheninBlanc.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 08 APR 87 10:48:02 PDT Date: 8 Apr 87 10:47:56 PDT (Wednesday) From: TReed.ES@Xerox.COM Subject: Deleted file ? To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: TReed.ES@Xerox.COM Message-ID: <870408-104802-1182@Xerox> To any CPM'r who may know the answer or at least have a theory: A .MAC file on a 5.25" floppy was inadvertently deleted and needed to be restored. No writes to the disk were made after the deletion. I used RECOVER.COM to recover the file. RECOVER.COM stated that the file was recovered, but when back at the A>, I did a DIR and the file was not listed. STAT or PIP could not find it either. I used DU-V87 to examine the directory entry. The first byte was in fact 00 and none of the high bits of the file name or ext were set. A real puzzel. Any answers or ideas? Terry 9-Apr-87 22:41:19-MDT,933;000000000000 Return-Path: <@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU,@mit-multics.arpa:MISS049@ecncdc.bitnet> Received: from BRL-SPARK.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 9 Apr 87 21:59:37 MDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by SPARK.BRL.ARPA id aa12651; 8 Apr 87 18:40 EDT Received: from MIT-MULTICS.ARPA (TCP 1200000006) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 8 Apr 87 18:28:58 EDT Received: from ECNCDC(MISS049) by MITVMA (Mailer X1.23) id 7176; Wed, 08 Apr 87 16:00:31 EDT Date: Wed 08 Apr 1987 14:56 CDT From: MISS049@ecncdc.bitnet MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at BRL.ARPA Subject: REQUEST To: INFO-CPM@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at BRL.ARPA Message-ID: <8704081840.aa12651@SPARK.BRL.ARPA> PLEASE ENTER ME IN T INFO-CPM MAILING LIST. THANKS......... KEN LINDER MISS049@ECNCDC.BITNET 9-Apr-87 23:27:29-MDT,908;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:FISHER@RPICICGE.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 9 Apr 87 23:27:15 MDT Received: from RPICICGE.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/09/87 at 21:11:39 CDT Received: by RPICICGE (Mailer X1.23b) id 2665; Thu, 09 Apr 87 22:10:00 EDT Date: Thu, 09 Apr 87 22:03:05 EDT From: "John S. Fisher" To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Archive Squash format From the documentation for UNARC version 1.6 I've learned that there is yet another LZW format coming into use. The claim is that this is a (9 to) 13-bit LZW method without DLE-packing. Does anyone know if that is really all there is to it: Just take my existing unLZW code and increase the table size and remove the DLE-unpacking, or is there perhaps something more sneeky going on (like the difference between arc LZW and crunch LZW)? 10-Apr-87 01:31:42-MDT,1792;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 10 Apr 87 01:31:22 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA22525; Thu, 9 Apr 87 03:20:36 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Apr 87 05:30:20 GMT From: hpcea!hpfcdc!hpldola!hp-lsd!hplsdla!ritchie@hplabs.hp.com (Dave Ritchie) Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Colorado Springs Subject: Re: hard drives for Osborne I and Kaypro II Message-Id: <3530001@hplsdla.HP.COM> References: <126@udcps3.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa One option is to use a SASI host adapter that piggybacks into a Z80 socket (i.e., the Z80 is pulled out, the daugther board is plugged in, and then the Z80 is plugged into the daughter board). Xebec (the hard drive controller people) have such an interface detailed in their manual for the S1410 hard drive controller. All you would need would be the host adapter board mentioned above, a copy of the BIOS so that you can add the mods so that CP/M can recognize your hard drives (you do have a copy of your BIOS, don't you? :-> ), a disk controller board (i.e., Xebec S1410, Adaptec-4000... a shugart surplus lookalike is available in the $80 range), a power supply for controller and drive(s) (PC-type supply, perhaps) and appropriate signal cables. Another option is get one of the hard drive adapters sold by some of the advertisers in Micro Cornucopia (Emerald Microware?). These are pricy for what you get, however. It may just be cheaper to buy a used Kaypro-10. Dave Ritchie hp-lsd!ritchie 10-Apr-87 10:21:12-MDT,967;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:MSRS003@ECNCDC.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 10 Apr 87 10:18:52 MDT Received: from ECNCDC.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/10/87 at 10:28:02 CDT Date: Fri 10 Apr 1987 10:08 CDT From: Wizzard Subject: TRS80 Graphics To: Does anyone out there have any subroutines to use the hi-res graphic boards for the TRS-80 model 4 under any languages in CP/M? Scott McBurney -------------- BITNET: MSRS003@ECNCDC.BITNET Internet: MSRS003%ECNCDC.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU GEnie: S.MCBURNEY ----------------------------------------------------------------- Western Illinois University: A place where people get screwed all day and still go home horny. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Apr-87 15:54:25-MDT,950;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 10 Apr 87 15:54:13 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA25184; Fri, 10 Apr 87 13:33:20 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Apr 87 20:36:46 GMT From: medin@cod.nosc.mil (Ted Medin) Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego Subject: Questions about the trs80 model 4 - Help Message-Id: <606@cod.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa How compatable is the model 4 with cpm 2.2. Specificly i have a cbasic pgm running on a kaypro II and wondered if it would just xfer over with little changes? Also how big (in kbytes) are the floppy drives? Thanks in advance. Ted 11-Apr-87 01:30:40-MDT,908;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 11 Apr 87 01:30:30 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA00567; Fri, 10 Apr 87 18:36:03 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 11 Apr 87 01:19:52 GMT From: ucsdhub!jack!man!wolf!billw@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (Hacker Smurf) Organization: The Erisian Liberation Front Subject: Terminal Emulator for the Kaypro 10 Message-Id: <292@wolf.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Does anybody have a terminal program that will run on the Kaypro 10 and is suitable for using with UNIX? (i.e., full terminal emulation) Any help appreciated. -- Bill Wisner ..{sdcsvax,ihnp4}!jack!wolf!billw 11-Apr-87 17:26:13-MDT,738;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 11 Apr 87 17:26:06 MDT Received: from OZ.AI.MIT.EDU by XX.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 11 Apr 87 00:07-EDT Date: Sat 11 Apr 87 00:05:45-EDT From: "Mark Becker" Subject: MODULA-2 for CP/M 2.2 w/Z-80? To: Info-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12293549761.54.CENT.MBECK@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Hello - I'm looking for recommendations for a MODULA-2 compiler to run under CP/M 2.2 . Pointers to reviews, discussions, comments, and flames on different vendor's implementations are more than welcome. Regards, Mark Becker CENT.MBECK%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@AI.AI.MIT.EDU ------- 11-Apr-87 18:56:35-MDT,740;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:H462BATMS@GALLUA.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 11 Apr 87 18:56:27 MDT Received: from H462BATMS by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/11/87 at 19:55:54 CDT Date: Sat, 11-APR-1987 20:51 EST From: Timothy Stark To: Subject: Manx/Aztec C compiler Hello, I had read Byte magazines but I cannot find that for Commodore 64/128 and CP/M. It didn't tell about some computers for prices/avaiable. Does anyone know price/avaiably for my Commodore 128 and CP/M+?? -- Tim Stark Arpa: h462batms%gallua.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu Bitnet: h462batms@gallua Uucp: ...!psuvax1!gallua.bitnet!h462batms 12-Apr-87 20:37:07-MDT,1645;000000000000 Mail-From: WANCHO created at 12-Apr-87 20:36:53 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 87 20:36:52 MDT From: Frank J. Wancho Subject: New version of NCRC for TOPS-20 To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA, INFO-MICRO@BRL.ARPA, INFO-IBMPC@C.ISI.EDU, ADA-SW@SIMTEL20.ARPA, UNIX-SW@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: TOPS-20@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU, WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12294057869.10.WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA> There is a new version of NCRC (10) in PD:. This version has two new switches: /FORCE and /WRITE. The /WRITE switch (which implies /FORCE) causes the computed CRC value to be stored in the .FBUSW of the FDB. Of course, the user must have write access to the file for this switch to have effect. The /FORCE switch will cause NCRC to compute the value for the file. If the value of that word is non-zero, NCRC will skip the computation and display the value found in the .FBUSW word. All publically readable files on our PD: structure now have that word set with the computed CRC value for that file. If you FTP any of these files directly to another TOPS-20 system, and your FTP program provides the option to retain all FDB information, be sure to turn that option on. The primary motivation for adding this feature was to decrease the amount of time the Archive Server spends processing requests for files which include a CRC listing. In the past few hours this feature has been available, the performance improvement has been rather dramatic. It may, once again, be possible to start seeing a much improved response time instead of the 5-7-day turnaround of the past few weeks. --Frank ------- 12-Apr-87 20:42:11-MDT,1820;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:7GMADISO@POMONA.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 12 Apr 87 20:41:57 MDT Received: from POMONA.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/12/87 at 21:41:28 CDT Date: Sun, 12 Apr 87 19:32:13 cet To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: 7GMADISO%POMONA.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Tandy Model 4 & CP/M 2.2 The Tandy Model 4 runs an excellent, totally compatible version of CP/M 2.2 from a company called Monezeuma Micro. The specifications are as follows: TPA on 64k system 56,070 bytes; 55046 bytes with a hard disk driver installed. CP/M IOBYTE: fully implemented. Device drivers: 35, 40, 77 & 80 track, single/double density, single/double sided, 3.5, 5.25, or 8 inch, more than 85 formats supported. Maximum disk capacity: 40TK SSDD = 220k; 40TK DSDD = 440k; 80TK DSDD = 880k. RS-232: All word lenghts, parity & baud rates. Parallel Printer: With/without line and/or form feeds. Video: 24x80 with reverse video. Keyboard: full ASCII with 9 function keys. RAM disk: 64k, *AUTOMATIC* on 128k systems. Montezeuma Micro's numbers are (214)-631-7900 for information, (800)-527-0347 for ORDERS ONLY. If you want more info, pick up any issue of 80 Micro magazine. Note that the Model 4 comes with an excellent OS called TRSDOS 6. There is a lot of excellent software available, and even if CP/M is your primary interest, don't ignore this capacity of the machine. Pro-MRAS is *the* best Z-80 assembler I've seen, and with a utility like HyperCross, you could develop CP/M software under TRSDOS, if you wanted to. If you want more info, don't hesitate to ask me directly. An Eminently Satisfied Model 4 User, George Madison 7GMADISO@POMONA.BITNET 12-Apr-87 20:59:46-MDT,1642;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 87 20:36:52 MDT From: Frank J. Wancho Subject: New version of NCRC for TOPS-20 To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA, INFO-MICRO@BRL.ARPA, INFO-IBMPC@C.ISI.EDU, ADA-SW@SIMTEL20.ARPA, UNIX-SW@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: TOPS-20@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU, WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12294057869.10.WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA> There is a new version of NCRC (10) in PD:. This version has two new switches: /FORCE and /WRITE. The /WRITE switch (which implies /FORCE) causes the computed CRC value to be stored in the .FBUSW of the FDB. Of course, the user must have write access to the file for this switch to have effect. The /FORCE switch will cause NCRC to compute the value for the file. If the value of that word is non-zero, NCRC will skip the computation and display the value found in the .FBUSW word. All publically readable files on our PD: structure now have that word set with the computed CRC value for that file. If you FTP any of these files directly to another TOPS-20 system, and your FTP program provides the option to retain all FDB information, be sure to turn that option on. The primary motivation for adding this feature was to decrease the amount of time the Archive Server spends processing requests for files which include a CRC listing. In the past few hours this feature has been available, the performance improvement has been rather dramatic. It may, once again, be possible to start seeing a much improved response time instead of the 5-7-day turnaround of the past few weeks. --Frank ------- 12-Apr-87 22:05:25-MDT,1641;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 87 20:36:52 MDT From: Frank J. Wancho Subject: New version of NCRC for TOPS-20 To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA, INFO-MICRO@BRL.ARPA, INFO-IBMPC@C.ISI.EDU, ADA-SW@SIMTEL20.ARPA, UNIX-SW@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: TOPS-20@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU, WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12294057869.10.WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA> There is a new version of NCRC (10) in PD:. This version has two new switches: /FORCE and /WRITE. The /WRITE switch (which implies /FORCE) causes the computed CRC value to be stored in the .FBUSW of the FDB. Of course, the user must have write access to the file for this switch to have effect. The /FORCE switch will cause NCRC to compute the value for the file. If the value of that word is non-zero, NCRC will skip the computation and display the value found in the .FBUSW word. All publically readable files on our PD: structure now have that word set with the computed CRC value for that file. If you FTP any of these files directly to another TOPS-20 system, and your FTP program provides the option to retain all FDB information, be sure to turn that option on. The primary motivation for adding this feature was to decrease the amount of time the Archive Server spends processing requests for files which include a CRC listing. In the past few hours this feature has been available, the performance improvement has been rather dramatic. It may, once again, be possible to start seeing a much improved response time instead of the 5-7-day turnaround of the past few weeks. --Frank ------- 13-Apr-87 06:56:42-MDT,793;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from nadc (NADC.ARPA.#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 13 Apr 87 06:56:36 MDT Date: 13 Apr 1987 07:14:58-EST From: prindle@NADC To: info-cpm@simtel20 Subject: re: Manx/Aztec C compiler The proper Aztec C compilers for use on the Commodore 128 under CP/M+ are the generic Aztec C for CP/M [Aztec C II-d (CP/M) $199] if you only want to gene- rate code which runs under CP/M; or the special C128 compiler which runs under CP/M but generates either Z-80 code (for CP/M) or 6502 code (for C128/C64) [Aztec C65-c/128 C64, C128, CP/M $399]. Manx usually takes out two ads in Byte, both featuring the MSDOS compiler, but one detailing the other compilers. e.g. see page 99 of Jan 87 Byte. Sincerely, Frank Prindle Prindle@NADC.arpa 13-Apr-87 11:04:58-MDT,1005;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from mitre.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 13 Apr 87 11:04:52 MDT Date: Mon, 13 Apr 87 09:42:48 est From: elsaesser%mwcamis@mitre.ARPA Message-Id: <8704131442.AA25900@mitre.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: Kermit for the Osborne exec -------- I need a file transfer capability for my Osborne exec. I use Kermit on my Macintosh at work and it seems to work fine. I have what I have been told is a semi-standard modem program (modem20 or something). Does anyone know if/how I can download a kermit using that? What do I request from Simtel? I would prefer to just buy a disk with the programs I need (at least i become facile at file transfers, etc). Is there an Osbo users group in the Washington D.C. area? Responses to: Elsaesser%mwcamis@MITRE.ARPA Chris Elsaesser (703) 883-6563 Thanks in advance. chris 13-Apr-87 17:25:27-MDT,1199;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 13 Apr 87 17:24:25 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA21366; Mon, 13 Apr 87 14:37:45 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Apr 87 18:58:10 GMT From: hc!beta!dzzr@ames.arpa (Douglas J Roberts) Organization: Los Alamos Natl Lab, Los Alamos, N.M. Subject: How do you patch Wordstar? (2nd request) Message-Id: <3959@beta.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Can anyone help me with instructions on how to patch Wordstar 3.0, running under CPM 2.2? I was running it on my NorthStar with a TeleVideo 912 terminal, and then I changed terminals - to a DEC VT100. (I use Wordstar to create nroff input files) When I went to look for my manual, I found that it had been accidently tossed!!! I've patched WS w/DDT several times before, but I can't remember all the details (addresses, etc). Assistance would be greatly appreciated. ---- Doug Roberts 14-Apr-87 09:19:35-MDT,1541;000000000000 Return-Path: <@BRL-SMOKE.arpa:lesh@BRL.arpa> Received: from AMSAA.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 14 Apr 87 09:19:27 MDT Received: from BRL-SMOKE.ARPA by AMSAA.AMSAA.ARPA id aa05771; 14 Apr 87 10:12 EST Date: Tue, 14 Apr 87 11:09:03 EDT From: Steve Lesh (ISC | howard) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: info-apple@BRL.arpa Subject: z80+ on the gs Message-ID: <8704141109.aa14715@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> If anyone owning a gs is thinking about purchasing a z80+ from Applied Engineering, I would recommend waiting. I purchased a z80+ a week ago that had a little "runs on GS" sticker on the front of the box. When I tried to install the operating system con- figuring it to use a 3.5 Unidisk as the boot device, it would not run. The user's manuals contained no instructions which assist GS owners in installing CP/M. After a little fiddling, I discovered that you had to set the system speed to normal through the control panel before the operating system would boot from a 3.5 through the smart port. The resident system commands seemed to work ok after it booted but I could not get programs to load from disk. A call to Applied Engineering revealed that they have a new revision to the operating system ( 5.2?) which is supposed to correct the problems with the z80+ on the GS. They still didn't indicate that they had any plans to revise the operators manuals. (there were no addendums in the box either). I'll keep you posted if you'll keep me posted. 14-Apr-87 10:04:08-MDT,1263;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from RELAY.CS.NET by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 14 Apr 87 10:03:58 MDT Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id ag23066; 14 Apr 87 11:53 EDT Received: from ubc by RELAY.CS.NET id ag01119; 14 Apr 87 11:49 AST Received: by ubc.csnet id AA01393; Tue, 14 Apr 87 07:06:19 pst Date: 14 Apr 87 1:07 -0800 From: Ken Wallewein To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-Id: <26*kenw@noah.arc.cdn> Subject: deleted file? The only thing I can think of is that if there is a directory entry ahead of the one for you file, which contains all E5's, the standard software will think it marks the end of the directory and ignore the rest. You could modify the name field of such an entry (put in 20's or such) to override that. I would strongly suggest making an IMAGE copy of the disk before doing much of that stuff (NOT a PIP copy). Another thing you could try would be the SAP program (PD), which does a sort-and-pack on the directory. Definitely have a backup before you do that. Probably the best solution would be to enlist the help of someone who is experienced with DU. Good luck. Oh, by the way... where was your backup copy? /kenw 14-Apr-87 12:17:06-MDT,1069;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ncsc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 14 Apr 87 12:17:01 MDT Received: by ncsc.ARPA id AA05940; Tue, 14 Apr 87 13:16:31 CST Date: Tue, 14 Apr 87 13:16:31 CST From: jdb@ncsc.ARPA (Brown) Message-Id: <8704141916.AA05940@ncsc.ARPA> To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: MEX batch transfer mode Does anyone know what MEX is expecting when using the batch xmodem transfer modes (ie sb and rb). I have been trying to use it with the Unix commands sb and rb which came from simtel20 in pd:x-ymodem.shar.1 MEX and sb/rb can't seem to agree on the exchange of file names. When send/receiving a single file, they seem to work ok in crc/checksum and 128/1024 combinations. The unix version is 4.3BSD on a Vax 750. rb and sb were compiled with cc -O -DV7 xx.c -o xx as per the comments in the files for unix v7, 2.8 and 4.x. Any descriprion of the file name exchange expected by MEX or pointers to docs for it or y-modem (yam?) protocols would be appreciated. david brown jdb@ncsc 14-Apr-87 13:16:19-MDT,555;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from nadc (NADC.ARPA.#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 14 Apr 87 13:15:52 MDT Date: 14 Apr 1987 14:07:43-EST From: prindle@NADC To: hc!beta!dzzr@ames Subject: re: patching wordstar Cc: info-cpm@simtel20 Many documents which more than adequately cover the subject of patching wordstar 3.0 (and others) can be found in the SIMTEL20 archives in directory PD:. Everything you always wanted to know...... even more than in the real installation manual! Frank Prindle Prindle@NADC.arpa 14-Apr-87 15:05:17-MDT,931;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from RELAY.CS.NET by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 14 Apr 87 15:05:11 MDT Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id aa05156; 14 Apr 87 16:34 EDT Received: from ubc by RELAY.CS.NET id ar02378; 14 Apr 87 16:27 AST Received: by ubc.csnet id AA00578; Tue, 14 Apr 87 10:39:48 pst Date: 14 Apr 87 2:52 -0800 From: Ken Wallewein To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at RELAY.CS.NET Message-Id: <29*kenw@noah.arc.cdn> Subject: Commodore CP/M It was my impression that a CP/M is a CP/M is a CP/M. Was I wrong? If Aztec C is available for CP/M, is therefore available for Commodore machines running CP/M. If this is not so, why? BTW, I am somewhat knowledgable (not expert) on CP/M BIOS structures. I don't believe in There Are Mysteries :-). /kenw 15-Apr-87 10:19:15-MDT,1420;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:MISS049@ECNCDC.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Apr 87 10:19:06 MDT Received: from ECNCDC.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/15/87 at 10:58:00 CDT Date: Wed 15 Apr 1987 10:55 CDT From: Subject: 128 CP/M COMPATABILITY To: I feel there are no differences except for the display codes for the monitor. I have been running CP/M on the 128 for about a year and have found no problems with running KAYPRO IV CP/M 2.2 stuff. New Word needed some help, but not much!! As for C, I have been using the BDS C compiler for several months with no problems. I have seen AZTEC C run on another CP/M machine and I feel that the BDS C compiler is much better. There was a review of several CP/M compilers in a 1984 BYTE. If anyone is interested, I could come up with the exact issue. ____________________________________________________________________ Ken Linder Western Illinois MISS049@ECNCDC.BITNET University KA9RVK (CW lives!!!!!) Please acknowledge that my opinions are the product of one semi-intelligent human. __________________________________________________________________ 15-Apr-87 14:21:04-MDT,545;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:MSRS003@ECNCDC.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Apr 87 14:20:49 MDT Received: from ECNCDC.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/15/87 at 15:19:17 CDT Date: Wed 15 Apr 1987 15:15 CDT From: Wizzard Subject: Tandy... To: Does anyone out there in net land know if a strictly Tandy users group or mailing list or sig exists? thanks, Scott McBurney MSRS003@ECNCDC.BITNET 15-Apr-87 15:49:29-MDT,1368;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 15-Apr-87 15:49:19 Date: Wed Apr 15 00:31:24 1987 Message-ID: Sender: tektronix!reed!omen!caf@BEAVER.CS.WASHINGTON.EDU From: tektronix!reed!omen!caf@BEAVER.CS.WASHINGTON.EDU To: Info-Xmodem-Request@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: MEX batch transfer mode ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm at SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-Date: Wed 15 Apr 1987 15:49-MDT Sounds like MEX is looking for the old MODEM7 batch hack, not YMODEM batch. Funny, because I thought MEX was supposed to support YMODEM, but apparently it doesn't. If it did support YMODEM, it would work properly with the Unix rb/sb programs assuming something isn't broken with you particular Unix system. You might wish to check the Unix commands with a known correct YMODEM program such as YAM, Pro-YAM, or the shareware ZCOMM. Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX Author of Pro-YAM communications Tools for PCDOS and Unix ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" 17505-V Northwest Sauvie Island Road Portland OR 97231 Voice: 503-621-3406 TeleGodzilla BBS: 621-3746 2400/1200 CIS:70007,2304 Genie:CAF Source:TCE022 omen Any ACU 1200 1-503-621-3746 se:--se: link ord: Giznoid in:--in: uucp omen!/usr/spool/uucppublic/FILES lists all uucp-able files, updated hourly 15-Apr-87 21:01:01-MDT,822;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:ISCSEAHK@NUSVM.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Apr 87 21:00:53 MDT Received: from NUSVM.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/15/87 at 22:00:28 CDT Date: 16 April 87 10:59-SST From: ISCSEAHK%NUSVM.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu To: INFO-CPM @ SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: BITNET mail follows Subject: CP/M 3.0 and Turbo Pascal Am having problems with compiling large programs in Turbo Pascal Version 3 on the Morrow HD-11. The $INCLUDE files get corrupted during compilation. Any offers??? Kenneth Seah --------------------------------------------+ BitNet - ISCSEAHK@NUSVM : UUCP - ..!sun!elxsi!tata-elxsi!nus-cs!kseah : --------------------------------------------+ Sent to: INFO-CPM at SIMTEL20.ARPA Sent on 16 Apr 1987 15-Apr-87 21:08:23-MDT,1210;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Apr 87 21:08:14 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA11288; Wed, 15 Apr 87 13:41:27 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Apr 87 15:56:58 GMT From: ihnp4!ihlpa!wolfordj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Wolford) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Subject: batch mode with rb and sb Message-Id: <3605@ihlpa.ATT.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I too have had this problem with 2 different modem programs I have for my Lobo Max80 and my Xerox 820 (The first runs MODEM7, the second runs MDM740). I can talk in batch mode between the two micros, but not to the UNIX machine which runs rb and sb. P.S. I also have rz and sz and they do not work in batch mode. Jeff Wolford ihnp4!iwsag!jww +-- ihlpa!wolfordj seismo --\ | > -- ihnp4 ---+-- iwsag!jww decvax --/ | +-- iwsag!iw3btjw!jww 15-Apr-87 21:55:06-MDT,924;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Apr 87 21:54:55 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA18740; Wed, 15 Apr 87 19:05:08 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 16 Apr 87 02:44:23 GMT From: umnd-cs!ub.D.UMN.EDU!rhealey@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Healey) Organization: U. of Minnesota, Duluth - Computing Services Subject: Re: Tandy... Message-Id: <543@umnd-cs.D.UMN.EDU> References: <8704152023.AA09832@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Try comp.sys.tandy in news, if you don't get news then I think you're out of luck. (sniff) -Rob Healey rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu One of the last Model 4 hardcores. 16-Apr-87 01:55:25-MDT,1121;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 16 Apr 87 01:55:15 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA24546; Wed, 15 Apr 87 23:39:28 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Apr 87 15:28:20 GMT From: mcvax!enea!tut!santra!nhu@seismo.css.gov (Nisse Husberg) Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Subject: Re: MODULA-2 for CP/M 2.2 w/Z-80? Message-Id: <5032@santra.UUCP> References: <12293549761.54.CENT.MBECK@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Turbo Modula-2 from Echelon has been a good choice. I have used Turbo Pascal for some time but I decided to use TM-2 as my main system after a few weeks experience. I am using a KAYPRO-10 and have had no problems at all (yet). There has been reviews in Micro Cornucopia (end of 1986, begin of 1987 ?). Have a look at the modula2 newsgroup too. Nisse 16-Apr-87 10:12:11-MDT,595;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from dmc-crc.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 16 Apr 87 10:11:55 MDT Received: by dmc-crc.arpa; (4.12/4.7) id AA09815; Thu, 16 Apr 87 12:06:30 est Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 12:06:30 est From: marwood@dmc-crc.arpa (G. J. Marwood) Message-Id: <8704161706.AA09815@dmc-crc.arpa> To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: MEX YMODEM Batch Reference queries on use of MEX with YMODEM/Batch. MEX does support YMODEM, b but to do so you must use the non-PD MEX-PLUS (e.g. MEX 1.65 etc) Gordon Marwood 16-Apr-87 10:12:57-MDT,804;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:UZR50D@DBNRHRZ1.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 16 Apr 87 10:12:42 MDT Received: from DBNRHRZ1.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/16/87 at 10:51:52 CDT Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 17:47:57 MEZ To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: UZR50D%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Subject: Avoid clearing the screen after warmstart Hi people, I have an apple //e and whenever a CP/M - program is making a warmstart after its execution my screen will be cleared. But when this program for example displayed a message or something else I can't read it anymore. So is there anybody who can tell me (has a patch for CP/M (Vers. 2.2 56K or/and Vers. 2.3 60) how one can avoid this behaviour of the CP/M - System? In hope for a response Ralf 16-Apr-87 13:02:21-MDT,1745;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from decwrl.dec.com by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 16 Apr 87 13:01:45 MDT Received: from rhea.dec.com by decwrl.dec.com (5.54.3/4.7.34) id AA04264; Thu, 16 Apr 87 11:01:21 PST Message-Id: <8704161901.AA04264@decwrl.dec.com> Date: 16-Apr-1987 1449 From: binder%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM (The paisley tie is *mine*!) To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA, infocpm%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM Subject: Re: Avoid clearing the screen after warmstart From UZR50D@DBNRHRZ1.BITNET: > I have an apple //e and whenever a CP/M - program is making a warmstart > after its execution my screen will be cleared. But when this program for > example displayed a message or something else I can't read it anymore. So > is there anybody who can tell me (has a patch for CP/M (Vers. 2.2 56K or/and > Vers. 2.3 60) how one can avoid this behaviour of the CP/M - System? Ralf, I don't think this is a CP/M problem. I have used 60K Microsoft CP/M 2.23 on an oldstyle SoftCard in both a ][+ and a //e, and 64K PCPI CP/M 2.2 on an Applicard, and I don't get this screen clearing that you describe. Certain programs from certain vendors may do it, but the following programs I've used don't, at least on my system: WordStar DataStar ReportStar MicroCalc Strunk & White Turbo Pascal Microsoft F80/M80/L80 All the standard CP/M tools Sorry I can't be more informative in a positive way, but I hope this will help point you in the right direction. Good luck in finding an answer. Cheers, Dick Binder (The Stainless Steel Rat) DEC Enet: FIZBIN::BINDER UUCP: { decvax, allegra, ucbvax... }!decwrl!fizbin.dec.com!binder ARPA: binder%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM 16-Apr-87 14:42:09-MDT,568;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from dmc-crc.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 16 Apr 87 14:41:55 MDT Received: by dmc-crc.arpa; (4.12/4.7) id AA10431; Thu, 16 Apr 87 16:36:33 est Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 16:36:33 est From: marwood@dmc-crc.arpa (G. J. Marwood) Message-Id: <8704162136.AA10431@dmc-crc.arpa> To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: GEnie Can anyone provide me with the information as to how I can contact the GEnie organization, with a view to opening an account. Gordon Marwood 16-Apr-87 22:50:17-MDT,1429;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 16-Apr-87 22:49:06 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1987 22:48 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: DELBR11A bug report A bug report on DELBR11 from GEnie's CP/M RoundTable: ---------- Caegory 3, Topic 4 Message 15 Thu Apr 16, 1987 B.DUERR [Bill] at 15:42 EDT DELBR is a utility program that may be used to extract all ember files from a "Novesielski" library (.LBR). The program is written in C and has been compiled for CP/M-80, CP/M-86, and MS-DOS. When using this program, caution must be exercised. The program will extract up to 64 members. If the library contains more than 64 members, it will terminate--there is no error message displayed. The program does not verify the CRC integrity when extracting the member files. The program will write over existing files with no warning message displayed. The C source statements are available in the CP/M Software Library, see file 806, DELBR11A.CQ. We welcome anyone with a knowledge of the C language to update this program, especially in the area of error checking. Even though there are other programs available that provide the functions of DELBR, this program provides a portability across many operating systems. ---------- 17-Apr-87 00:34:19-MDT,1272;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from bass.nosc.mil (NOSC.MIL.#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 17 Apr 87 00:34:15 MDT Received: by bass.nosc.mil (5.31/4.7) id AA18125; Thu, 16 Apr 87 22:35:35 PST Received: by crash.CTS.COM (5.54/UUCP-Project/rel-1.0/09-14-86) id AA19625; Thu, 16 Apr 87 22:36:29 PST Reply-To: pnet01!mwilson Message-Id: <8704170636.AA19625@crash.CTS.COM> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 22:18:49 PST From: mwilson@pnet01.CTS.COM (Marc Wilson) To: crash!info-cpm@simtel20.arpa@nosc.mil Subject: MEX batch transfers Several people write: Howcum MEX doesn't support YMODEM batch? The answer is: it does. The .DOC file MEX10.DOC doesn't tell you how to do it, basically 'cause MEX 1.0 didn't know how. What you use is the 'K' option. MEX will not default to YMODEM, like IMP will. Try a command line of the form: 'SKB '. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ( mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ) ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc UUCP: [ akgua | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 17-Apr-87 02:55:23-MDT,1176;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 17 Apr 87 02:55:15 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA28084; Fri, 17 Apr 87 00:39:19 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Apr 87 06:45:30 GMT From: ucsdhub!jack!man!crash!victoro@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (Dr. Snuggles) Organization: Whizbang Enterprises Subject: Re: MEX batch transfer mode Message-Id: <1009@crash.CTS.COM> References: Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article caf@omen.UUCP writes: >Sounds like MEX is looking for the old MODEM7 batch hack, not YMODEM batch. Yet the unix program I use 'xmodem' supports Modem7 batch protocals and I still can't get Mex to accept it. I did download and assemble Imp once (yech!) and then Mex worked and so I removed Imp. Immediately Mex stopped working. Maybe it's load dependent, but I'm lost... 18-Apr-87 01:04:34-MDT,1811;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 18 Apr 87 01:02:44 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA16283; Fri, 17 Apr 87 17:42:48 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Apr 87 18:04:25 GMT From: hao!noao!grandi@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Steve Grandi) Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson AZ Subject: Re: batch mode with rb and sb Message-Id: <602@noao.UUCP> References: <3605@ihlpa.ATT.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <3605@ihlpa.ATT.COM> wolfordj@ihlpa.UUCP (452is-Wolford,J.) writes: >I too have had this problem with 2 different modem programs I have for >my Lobo Max80 and my Xerox 820 (The first runs MODEM7, the second runs >MDM740). I can talk in batch mode between the two micros, but not >to the UNIX machine which runs rb and sb. > rb and sb only implement YMODEM batch whereas MODEM7, MDM and MEX 1 only implement MODEM7 batch protocol. YMODEM batch is technically superior to MODEM7 batch; but that doesn't help you much. My UNIX xmodem program (posted to Usenet's mod.sources in January) supports both MODEM7 and YMODEM batch (among other things...). Unfortunately, as distributed, xmodem runs only on 4.2/4.3BSD systems but two people have sent me patches for System V systems which I might be persuaded to integrate into a second release. -- Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, 602-325-9228 UUCP: {arizona,decvax,hao,ihnp4,seismo}!noao!grandi Internet: grandi@noao.arpa SPAN/HEPNET: 5356::GRANDI or DRACO::GRANDI 18-Apr-87 01:32:07-MDT,1148;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 18 Apr 87 01:31:58 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA07235; Fri, 17 Apr 87 10:24:55 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Apr 87 17:00:45 GMT From: tle.dec.com!maxwell@decwrl.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Subject: Mince, anyone? Message-Id: <9379@decwrl.DEC.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Anyone out there have an old copy of the CP/M editor, Mince, from Mark of the Unicorn, that they're no longer using and are willing to sell? I'm looking for a copy of the one that provided for user customization using BDS C. It's no longer available, to my knowledge, comercially. If you've got the old Amethyst package (Mince + Scribe-like text processor, Scribble), that'd be even better, but it's not a requirement. Any help'd be greatly appreciated.... -+- Sid Maxwell 18-Apr-87 01:45:30-MDT,1133;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA-SEER.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 18 Apr 87 01:45:25 MDT Received: from NMFECC.ARPA by AMSAA-SEER.AMSAA-SEER.ARPA id aa07562; 17 Apr 87 13:01 EDT Received: from oak.sainet.mfenet by ccx.mfenet with BrainDamage via MfeNet ; Fri, 17 Apr 87 09:58:23 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Apr 87 09:58:23 PDT From: SECRIST%OAK.SAINET.MFENET@nmfecc.arpa Message-Id: <870417095824.09q@nmfecc.arpa> To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA-SEER.ARPA From: "Richard C. Secrist" To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA-SEER.ARPA Subject: CBM C64 CP/M: source of VIC-II chips ? Date: Fri, 17-APR-1987 10:10 EST Header-Disclaimer: I don't like my headers either ! X-VMS-Mail-To: CPM,SECRIST We've discussed how to make the ill-fated CBM C64 CP/M cartridge work a couple of times on this list. What I want to know is - has anybody bought/obtained/transplanted an old rev. VIC-II chip (the cure) into their C64/SX-64 and "won" ? If so - what was your source for the VIC-II ? rcs SECRIST%OAK.SAInet.MFEnet@nmfecc.Arpa 18-Apr-87 22:01:22-MDT,1018;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ngp.utexas.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 18 Apr 87 22:01:15 MDT Date: Sat, 18 Apr 87 23:00:44 CDT From: mknox@ngp.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox) Posted-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 87 23:00:44 CDT Message-Id: <8704190400.AA16284@ngp.utexas.edu> Received: by ngp.utexas.edu (5.51/5.51) id AA16284; Sat, 18 Apr 87 23:00:44 CDT To: INFO-CPM@simtel20.arpa, TReed.ES@xerox.com Subject: Re: Deleted file ? Sounds like to me you "undeleted" an extension, rather tha the root file. Any file over 16k creates extensions, one for every 16k of file. They ALL must be "undeleted" for the file to recover. And most DIR programs only look at extensions to compute size, not to list (i.e. if there is no extension 0, then it ignores it). Go back and look for MORE "deleted" files of the same name. Undelete them ALL. [Note that some may be legitamitely deleted from earlier work.] Then DIR your file. If its there, *immediately* copy it to another disk. 20-Apr-87 14:13:30-MDT,407;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from BRL-SMOKE.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 20 Apr 87 14:13:24 MDT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 87 15:36:30 EDT From: "Cpt. Jerome A. DiGennaro AV 298-2703" To: INFO-CPM@simtel20.arpa Subject: Deletion from mailing list Message-ID: <8704201536.aa12051@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> Please delete me from you rmailing list. Thanks. Jerry 20-Apr-87 19:46:06-MDT,1873;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 20-Apr-87 19:45:56 Date: Monday, 20 April 1987 17:43-MDT Message-ID: Sender: hrcca!bobc@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU From: hrcca!bobc@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU To: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Modula2 ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm at SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-Date: Mon 20 Apr 1987 19:45-MDT Do you think Modula-2 will be a successful language in the Micro world? I recently purchased Turbo Modula-2 from Echelon, and have mixed feelings about the language. Although I don't think there is any question that straight M2 is a better language than straight Pascal, most M2 enhancements were already incorporated into Turbo Pascal (and other successful implementations of Pascal I believe). Indeed, I think that Wirth liked certain features of Turbo Pascal and 'C' language, borrowed them to rewrite Pascal, and named the result Modula-2. On the negative aspects of M2: 1. The explicit IMPORT of every identifier that I want to use drives me crazy. It wouldn't be so bad if there were only 2 or 3 modules to import from, but there are so many!! I'll never complain about #include again. 2. The lack of a general purpose output procedure (e.g.: Pascal's WRITE/WRITELN or C's printf() ) makes output routines a nightmare. Using 4-5 procedure calls to write 1 line to the console is a pain. 3. Linking in entire modules rather than individual procedures (which I took the bother of identifying with IMPORTs) leads to large object code. This may just be a problem with Borland's linker though and not inherent to the language. I would be interested in the comments that you or any of your associates may have on this matter. Sincerely, Bob Kemp 20-Apr-87 22:36:31-MDT,987;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:H462BATMS@GALLUA.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 20 Apr 87 22:36:17 MDT Received: from H462BATMS by wiscvm.wisc.edu on 04/20/87 at 23:35:41 CDT Date: Tue, 21-APR-1987 00:33 EST From: Timothy Stark To: Subject: Super C128 / Aztec C II. Hello, I had read BYTE 1983 vol. 8 num. 8. about C compilers. I found that Aztec C is the best in all CP/M-based C compilers. Aztec C require to MAC to assemble files into objects that Aztec C creates. In Super C128 don't require that assembler to re-assemble files into object files. I decided that Super C128 is better for my Commodore 128. C128 costs 59.95 and is avaliable at Most Bookseller's Software Ect. Our nearby mall have the large good Bookseller Software Ect that sells Super C128. It must be popular! Many people bought them the same! I missed to buy it! -- Tim Stark 20-Apr-87 23:23:37-MDT,2064;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ncsc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 20 Apr 87 23:23:29 MDT Received: by ncsc.ARPA id AA00184; Tue, 21 Apr 87 00:22:44 CST Date: Tue, 21 Apr 87 00:22:44 CST From: jdb@ncsc.ARPA (Brown) Message-Id: <8704210622.AA00184@ncsc.ARPA> To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: MEX Batch mode solved Well, it looks like I wasn't the only one having trouble with batch mode in MEX. Thanks to Steve Grandi at noao.arpa for the solution. As he (and others) said, MEX uses the XMODEM-BATCH protocol, not the YMODEM-BATCH protocol. (here I'm only talking about the public domain version of MEX, version 1.14, I hear the commercial version supports both) XMODEM-BATCH is a kludgy implementation of a batch protocol, but it works. YMODEM-BATCH is a more 'elegant' implementation which allows passing of much more info about the file and is not restricted to the CP/M notion of what a file name should look like. For documentation on the two protocols, look under pd: at simtel20. There is documentation on XMODEM-BATCH and a more generic description of both xmodem and ymodem (don't remember the exact names noe, but they are obvious if you can get a directory listing). Steve also provided a copy of his 'xmodem' program which supports x/ymodem batch protocols, 1K/128 packets, and CRC/checksum in any combination. As it turned out, I had to modify the batch send code to work with my C128. The time required to create the new file was longer than xmodem wanted to wait around for the NAK/C following the file name transfer (5 seconds), so xmodem was giving up before MEX (on a C128) got back to the transfer. So, the answer is, if you need to talk batch using MEX to UNIX running 4.2/4.3BSD, Steve's xmodem will do the job. If you are using a C128, the file send.c which is part of his package, needs to be modified to wait longer for the C/NAK following the name transfer. If anyone has any questions about what is needed, let me know. david brown jdb@ncsc.arpa 20-Apr-87 23:35:51-MDT,1845;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 20 Apr 87 23:35:34 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA11464; Mon, 20 Apr 87 22:18:10 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Apr 87 05:09:04 GMT From: umnd-cs!ub.D.UMN.EDU!rsand@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Sand) Organization: U. of Minnesota, Duluth - Computing Services Subject: cpm PD programs for a televidio TS-802. Message-Id: <554@umnd-cs.D.UMN.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I was just given a Televideo TS-802 for work at home and I was wondering if there was any way of getting some PD programs. If anyone out their can help I would appreciate it. These programs must be in the assembly language for this machine because I don't have anything else yet. I would also like to know if someone has some documentation for the assembler on this system? Thanks in advance. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Reply to USnail: Robert Sand { Frodo lives happily } | | 1905 Greysolon Rd. { In middle Earth. } | | Duluth, MN. 55812. | | | | Or through EMAIL. | | | |____________________________________________________________________________| 21-Apr-87 23:00:26-MDT,2119;000000000000 Mail-From: WANCHO created at 21-Apr-87 22:59:59 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1987 22:59 MDT Message-ID: From: WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA To: jdb@NCSC.ARPA (Brown) Cc: grandi@NOAO.ARPA, INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: MEX Batch mode solved In-reply-to: Msg of 21 Apr 1987 00:22-MDT from jdb at ncsc.ARPA (Brown) At one time, I wrote out a description of the MODEM7 protocol as then implemented by the TOPS-20 version, called MODEM. Although TMODEM has replaced MODEM with many changes, the description of the protocol with respect to the timeout values used remain essentially the same. The major difference is that a multiplier of four is used instead of three for determining the timeout value for a data packet. TMODEM and MODEM before it sends the data packet as a string in a single system call rather than sending each character in the data packet with separate system calls and associated timeouts. These timeout values were empirically determined over many transfers under a variety of line conditions and delays and significantly contribute to the robustness of the protocol. Unfortunately, these values were incorporated into MODEM7 late in its life while undergoing a power struggle, and probably never made it into many of the current versions claiming to be "xmodem" compatible. In fact, many of the so-called versions of "xmodem" in the pc world are based on a very old description of the protocol that doesn't even include CRC mode, much less the MODEM7 "batch" mode. Fortunately, both MEX 1.14 and all subsequent versions of the commercial versions of MEX, MEX-PLUS and MEX-PC, do use these improved timeout values. I cannot speak for YAM and YMODEM, but I suspect they use similar values. So, those of you wishing to "improve" the timeout values should consider checking out the values given in PD:MODEM7.DOC. BTW, I must agree that the YMODEM batch method of passing filename and other information is definitely superior to the MODEM7 method. TMODEM may incorporate that option someday as well... --Frank 22-Apr-87 04:02:20-MDT,1166;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 22 Apr 87 04:02:12 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA09652; Wed, 22 Apr 87 02:39:08 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Apr 87 18:35:01 GMT From: rti-sel!tijc02!mtm097@mcnc.org (Mark Miller ) Organization: Texas Instr., Johnson City TN Subject: CP/M Users groups in Montgomery, AL area? Message-Id: <146@tijc02.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa s/^.*$/YOUR MESSAGE/ I am posting this for a friend who does not have net access. I have a friend who is working on assembling a Xerox 820 CP/M system. Are there any users groups or other collections of people in the Montgomery, AL area who he could turn to for some assistance, and PD software?? Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Mark T. Miller @ Texas Instruments, Johnson City, TN (the outpost) mcnc!rti-sel!ticj02!mtm097 mtm097@tijc02 22-Apr-87 20:43:29-MDT,578;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from mitre.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 22 Apr 87 20:43:25 MDT Date: Wed, 22 Apr 87 22:24:27 est From: elsaesser%mwcamis@mitre.ARPA Full-Name: Message-Id: <8704230324.AA17519@mitre.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: full screen editor for osborne executive -------- Does anyone know of a full screen editor for the Osborne Executive (Cpm 3.0)? an emacs would do just fine. Thanks in advance, Chris (Elsaesser%mwcamis@MITRE.ARPA) 22-Apr-87 20:49:37-MDT,1066;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:11TSTARK@GALLUA.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 22 Apr 87 20:49:31 MDT Received: from GALLUA.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Wed, 22 Apr 87 21:28:51 CDT Date: 22 APR 87 22:26-EST From: 11TSTARK%GALLUA.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu To: INFO-CPM @ SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Bad records in PD:C128TVX2.LBR / Bug in archive server Hello, I had downloaded C128TVX2.LBR from SIMTEL20.ARPA by mail. I tried unpacked Library Archive file and unsqueezed all squeezed files but some files failed to unsqueezed. I looked in DIR on MS-DOS it said 200294 bytes but your library in simtel20 said that 200894 bytes. Last time, I received 6 parts of uuencoded C128TVX2.LBR. One of 6 parts have null file that caused some records lost in Archive Server processing. Its results had found "Bug" in archive server. Please don't download PD:C128TVX2.LBR via archive server because it contains bad records. But archive request created bad records when one is null file. -- Tim Stark 23-Apr-87 09:55:51-MDT,1229;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from lll-lcc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 23 Apr 87 09:55:30 MDT Received: Thu, 23 Apr 87 08:52:18 PST from lll-es-s05.arpa by lll-lcc.ARPA (5.51/) id AA22785; Thu, 23 Apr 87 08:52:18 PST Return-Path: Received: by lll-es-s05.ARPA (1.1/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA03936; Thu, 23 Apr 87 08:53:18 PST Message-Id: <8704231653.AA03936@lll-es-s05.ARPA> Date: Thu Apr 23 08:53:15 1987 From: hanscom@lll-es-s05 (Roger Hanscom 423-0441) Subject: Micro-EMACS To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Cc: hanscom@ll-es-s05 Status: N <> <> << >> <<-------->> <> <> I don't know much about the Osborne Exec., but there is a version of Micro-EMACS available through the C-Users' Group (McPherson, Kansas). They sell both the C sources and an MS-DOS .EXE on two MS-DOS formatted diskettes for a few dollars per disk. The price is right, and it might not take too much to get it running with CP/M 3.0, if you had an editor to edit the C .............. 25-Apr-87 09:16:15-MDT,3989;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 25 Apr 87 09:16:06 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA18278; Sat, 25 Apr 87 07:24:40 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 24 Apr 87 01:29:26 GMT From: pyramid!amdahl!ptsfa!well!msudoc!umich!jtr485@decwrl.dec.com (Johnathan Tainter) Organization: EECS, University of Michigan Subject: Re: Modula2 Message-Id: <116@umich.UUCP> References: Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article , bobc@hrcca.UUCP writes: > Do you think Modula-2 will be a successful language in the Micro > world? I recently purchased Turbo Modula-2 from Echelon, and have > mixed feelings about the language. Although I don't think there is > any question that straight M2 is a better language than straight > Pascal, most M2 enhancements were already incorporated into Turbo > Pascal (and other successful implementations of Pascal I believe). > Indeed, I think that Wirth liked certain features of Turbo Pascal and > 'C' language, borrowed them to rewrite Pascal, and named the result > Modula-2. Actually, Turbo Pascal did not innovate anything. All the good stuff was lifted from UCSD Pascal (with some massaging to make it fit as native code on the z80 and 8088's; for those what don'know UCSD Pascal is compiled to a stack machine language called p-code then interpreted by hardware specific interpreters). However, UCSD didn't really innovate much either. They just collected a number of the academically favored language facilities and added them to pascal to get a real language. Meanwhile, over in Europe, Wirth was developing Modula (NOT Modula-2 yet) which incorporated many of these same ideas and some that had given rise to the C programming language. There were problems with Modula (just as there had been with pascal). However the world was no longer starving for a programming language which was both concise and powerful, so Modula did not get heavily adopted. This allowed Wirth to come along with another language, Modula-2, before anyone took Modula to heart. Modula-2 changed substitute new broken constructs for old but made some progress also. (Personal commentary, I HATE UPPERCASE RESERVED WORDS! They heavily detract from the readability of code.) > On the negative aspects of M2: > 1. The explicit IMPORT of every identifier that I want to > use drives me crazy. It wouldn't be so bad if there > were only 2 or 3 modules to import from, but there are > so many!! I'll never complain about > #include again. Some M2 compilers provide a source include directive so you can do this. > 2. The lack of a general purpose output procedure (e.g.: > Pascal's WRITE/WRITELN or C's printf() ) makes output > routines a nightmare. Using 4-5 procedure calls to > write 1 line to the console is a pain. This is a consequence of not wanting special predefined procedures or functions nor allowing variable parameter lists. A clean strongly typed language is going to have this kind of problem. > 3. Linking in entire modules rather than individual > procedures (which I took the bother of identifying > with IMPORTs) leads to large object code. This may > just be a problem with Borland's linker though and not > inherent to the language. Since there can be hidden objects/functions inside of modules (which the procedures you want are dependent on) it demands a very sophisticated linker and dependency information to properly support selective linkage. You are not likely to find this in an inexpensive system. > Bob Kemp --j.a.tainter 26-Apr-87 15:00:25-MDT,6605;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 26-Apr-87 15:00:10 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1987 15:00 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: New files uploaded to SIMTEL20 during March The following is a complete list of CP/M-oriented files uploaded to SIMTEL20 during the month of March, 1987. The numbers following the filenames are the file size in bytes followed by the file format. (7) means ASCII, (8) means binary. For a complete list of all CP/M files, see: PD:CPM.CRCLST - Complete list with CRC values PD:FILES.DIR - Abbreviated list with only directory and file names PD:FILES.IDX - Similar to below, no descriptions, comma delimited There is currently no complete listing of all files, with descriptions. That is in the process of being created and will be announced when available. Note: to save space in the following listing, the device name PD: which normally appears ahead of the directory name has been omitted. APCLKTC.LBR.1 4608(8) Apple Softcard/Thunderclock code ZM.LBR.1 35712(8) Assembler for Zilog source VRSLIB10.LBR.1 12160(8) Keep track of versions of programs DLINKLOC.LBR.1 51328(8) A disk-based linking loader XFORMER.BZS.1 8576(8) Transformer Design Aid BILLING.LBR.1 31104(8) MBASIC billing programs PICS15.LBR.1 140288(8) Pascal Integrated Communication Sys. QXRCPM05.LZT.1 10624(8) List of QX remote systems OCP145C.LBR.1 29824(8) OCP for BackGrounder ii (Prelim.) SAPP52.LBR.1 23424(8) Sort/pack CP/M DateStamper directory BGIIDRV.LBR.1 59776(8) Drivers for BackGrounder ii BGECP.LBR.1 2816(8) BackGrounder ECP loader BW2UTIL1.LBR.1 65280(8) Utilities for the Bondwell 2 laptop CCHECK.LBR.1 16000(8) Checks syntax of C source statements AUTOBOOT.LBR.1 4224(8) Autoboot a command at start up SETATT.LBR.1 5504(8) Set READ-ONLY and SYSTEM attribute CHECK28.LBR.1 24576(8) Copy, delete, compare directories REVAS25.LBR.2 71680(8) PD version of REVerse ASsembler DISK-FIX.LBR.1 24704(8) Disk maintenance, recover files, etc AVIAUTL1.LBR.1 68096(8) Aviation Utilities COMUFLT.LBR.1 22656(8) Flight Planning Program WASH15.LBR.2 26752(8) Disk Maintenance Program ACOPY14.LBR.1 18304(8) General purpose file copy SPLIT4.NZT.1 640(8) Split large file into smaller ones LOTTO.LBR.1 11904(8) LOTTO game for making lotto numbers! PRESTO.RZV.1 4864(8) Review of PRESTO! for Kaypros WDRAW.LBR.1 61568(8) Drawing Program MIX.LBR.1 19456(8) R.F. intermodulation products calc. MONEY.LBR.1 30848(8) Financial Utilities for H/Z-89 I2NC-1.AZM.1 6912(8) IMP Overlay - NCR Decision Mate 5 KPRULE25.LBR.1 5888(8) Put column rule on Kaypro 25th line KP-MEMBR.LBR.1 25088(8) Database manager for user groups SIDEARM.LBR.1 15616(8) Limited notepad SideArm demo KAYEASEL.LBR.3 77824(8) Electronic graphics easel for Kaypro FANFOLD8.AZS.1 4096(8) Patch information for FANFOLD8 HB15-PT1.ARK.1 117376(8) Hershey fonts banner printer - part1 HB15-PT2.ARK.1 160768(8) Hershey fonts banner printer - part2 FAN8FIX.LBR.1 12288(8) Fix to FANFOLD8 SIDEMT4.LBR.1 17280(8) List file sideways on printer LISTT16.LBR.2 15488(8) Paginated file lister with options LINKUP.TXT.1 545(7) Info for communicating using modem MEXCLS.PAT.2 423(7) Disable clearing the screen in MEX MXO-KP50.LBR.1 36096(8) MEX Overlay - Kaypro int/ext modem ALMAZAR.LBR.1 26112(8) MBASIC 72 room adventure game ZBYE12A.LBR.1 44032(8) BYE, as an RCP with ZCPR3 LUX100.LBR.1 52096(8) Library/archive Utility eXtension LUX80.ARK.1 101376(8) Library/archive Utility eXtension TAXCAL11.LBR.1 56192(8) Supercalc templates for 1986 income SAFRAM4.LBR.1 17280(8) Creates a safe zone below the BDOS TLOAD.LBR.1 3968(8) Link assembler routines in Turbo QQSORT.LBR.1 10624(8) Example of quick sort in Pascal BIT7.LBR.1 4096(8) Resets bit 7 in text files OUTLINER.LBR.1 39552(8) Outline processor PRNTXT10.LBR.1 9984(8) Makes COM file from Text file PWLKWS23.ARK.1 46848(8) Make Perfect Writer WS-compatible FINREP25.LBR.1 12800(8) Find and Replace utility GTXT11A.LBR.1 3968(8) Conv. text to COM for easy display WORDCT31.LBR.1 2304(8) Counts words of a text file MAGIC.LBR.1 11008(8) Prints large letters to disk, etc. VDEI25.BUG.1 640(8) Patch to VDE editor install program ANYCODE3.LBR.1 10368(8) Use features of printer in WordStar WS33-B.DRV.1 1979(7) WordStar patch to log in B: drive CALRCP11.LBR.1 10368(8) Resident command calculator DBRCPREL.LBR.1 18688(8) A debug RCP using SEGLINK FNREPZPT.LBR.1 1536(8) Adapts FINREP24 to ZCPR3 LSHELL.DZC.1 4480(8) Proposal for library shell program RCOM10.LBR.1 7808(8) Allows program to use file list SH11.LBR.1 22272(8) Illustrates shell under ZCPR3 SHVAR11.LBR.1 13312(8) Defines shell variable for Shell SH Z3KEYREL.LBR.1 27776(8) An RCP for Z3KEY using SEGLINK These files are also available on the GEnie CP/M RoundTable and on my RCP/M system. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie Mail: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 (300, 1200, 2400 bps) 27-Apr-87 05:09:13-MDT,1151;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:U267105@HNYKUN11.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Apr 87 05:09:05 MDT Received: from HNYKUN11.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Mon, 27 Apr 87 06:08:32 CDT Date: Mon, 27 Apr 87 13:01:42 MET To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: U267105%HNYKUN11.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Return-Receipt-To: U267105@HNYKUN11.BITNET Subject: Bugs in SOFT80.COM for Commodore 64 Date: 27 April 1987, 12:54:18 MET From: Jos Grote Punt 080-566793 U267105 at HNYKUN11 To: INFO-CPM at SIMTEL20 A couple of weeks ago I downloaded SOFT80.COM from the C64 directory, written by Chris Lampton. This is pretty difficult with a Commodore 64. I did it with the regular C-64 Kermit and then used a program to transfer from C-64 format to CP/M format. I do get 80 columns on output, but between every character that is echo'd on input there's a space. This space is printed before every character. If I use a full-screen editor like the one from Turbo Pascal I see spaces when I move the cursor. But if I scroll forward and then back again the spaces are gone. Can anyone help? 27-Apr-87 05:13:08-MDT,1146;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:U267105@HNYKUN11.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Apr 87 05:13:04 MDT Received: from HNYKUN11.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Mon, 27 Apr 87 06:12:38 CDT Date: Mon, 27 Apr 87 13:11:13 MET To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: U267105%HNYKUN11.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Return-Receipt-To: U267105@HNYKUN11.BITNET Subject: Re: CBM C64 CP/M: source of VIC-II chips ? Date: 27 April 1987, 13:02:08 MET From: Jos Grote Punt 080-566793 U267105 at HNYKUN11 To: INFO-CPM at SIMTEL20 In his mail from 17 April '87 Richard C. Secrist asked about replacement of the video processor in the Commodore 64 to make the CP/M cartridge work. Yes, I did "win". But: I tried the cartridge with several 64's and some older types work, some newer also. There's no logic in it! I myself had the oldest of all the ones I tried but it didn't work! I received the other VIC-chip from a friend who had a broken 64 and didn't mind swapping. Here in Holland there are also several shops where you can buy the chip. So stop looking for oldies and try a brand new one! 28-Apr-87 14:33:20-MDT,803;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from BRL-SMOKE.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 28 Apr 87 14:32:37 MDT Date: Tue, 28 Apr 87 14:43:56 EDT From: Steve Lesh (ISC | howard) To: info-apple@BRL.ARPA cc: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: mouse chars/gs pcpi Message-ID: <8704281443.aa02413@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> Does anybody have a fix for Applicard CP/M on the Apple gs to get rid of "mouse" characters when using inverse video? I tried turning the mouse characters off before booting, using a C program to 'poke' both the alternate character set switch and the status byte and embedding control characters to get rid of "mouse" characters in cursor home-and-clear-screen sequences. All to no avail. Thanks in advance. Steven 28-Apr-87 16:48:37-MDT,1634;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 28 Apr 87 16:47:54 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.24) id AA28316; Tue, 28 Apr 87 14:51:09 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 25 Apr 87 09:12:12 GMT From: ihnp4!cuae2!ltuxa!we53!sw013b!dj3b1!killer!sentinel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (The Sentinel) Organization: A Un*x Box in Texas Subject: Re: Super C128 / Aztec C II. Message-Id: <800@killer.UUCP> References: <8704210538.AA10802@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Before you make a decision on whether to buy Super-C 128 or Aztec C, I must remind you that you are actually comparing apples and oranges here. Aztec C is a CP/M compiler, and generates code for the CP/M mode of the 128 (the special 128 version can also generate code for the 64 or 128 mode). Super-C 128 is a 128 mode C compiler, and generates code for the 128 mode only. In short, make sure you know whether you want a CP/M compiler or a 128 mode compiler before you buy one, since they are ttwo separate things Actually, the Aztec C version for the 128 would be perfect, since it compiles for all three modes, but the price is a bit steep compared to the alternatives... --TS -- Rob Tillotson ...ihnp4!killer!sentinel 3922-1 Newport Ave. -or- Fort Wayne, IN 46805 ...rutgers!unirot!sentinel (219) 483-2722 (top one preferred) 29-Apr-87 21:17:49-MDT,1451;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 29 Apr 87 21:17:37 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.25) id AA29137; Wed, 29 Apr 87 20:03:12 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Apr 87 22:27:58 GMT From: ralphw@IUS2.CS.CMU.EDU (Ralph Hyre) Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI Subject: Re: mouse chars/gs pcpi Message-Id: <1132@ius2.cs.cmu.edu> References: <8704281443.aa02413@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <8704281443.aa02413@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> lesh@BRL.ARPA (Steve Lesh, ISC | howard) writes: > > Does anybody have a fix for Applicard CP/M on the Apple gs to get >rid of "mouse" characters when using inverse video? I think the screen driver is poking the values directly. I got a file called new2e80.dvr from the SIMTEL20 archives, and it understands not to put mousetext on the screen. I believe it came with the ZCPR3 library or BackGrounder II code for the PCPI applicard. -- - Ralph W. Hyre, Jr. Copyright (c) 1987 by Ralph W. Hyre, Jr. Internet: ralphw@ius2.cs.cmu.edu Phone:(412)268-{2847,3275} CMU-{BUGS,DARK} Amateur Packet Radio: N3FGW@W2XO, or c/o W3VC, CMU Radio Club, Pittsburgh, PA 30-Apr-87 02:49:04-MDT,1348;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Apr 87 02:48:59 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.25) id AA05122; Thu, 30 Apr 87 01:42:42 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Apr 87 19:35:17 GMT From: mcvax!enea!tut!pl@seismo.css.gov (Pertti Lehtinen) Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland Subject: Z280 Message-Id: <1079@korppi.tut.fi> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Recently I read a american electronics journal ( Electronic Design I think, but it's not sure ). There was article about Zilogs new processor Z280, which is (according text) Z80:s superset with 16-bit arithmetic, memory management, user/supervisor states, on chip timers, dma and cache. Clockspeed is 10 MHz (future 25 MHz) When I was reading article, I start to wonder, would there be any use for this kind of product, or is this or last strike of Z80-empire. Any opinions? -- ...mcvax!tut!pl ! All opinions expressed above Pertti Lehtinen ! are preliminary and in subject N 61 26' E 23 50' ! to change without any further notice. 30-Apr-87 02:49:22-MDT,1594;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Apr 87 02:49:17 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.25) id AA05103; Thu, 30 Apr 87 01:42:08 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 27 Apr 87 18:05:41 GMT From: mcvax!enea!tut!pl@seismo.css.gov (Pertti Lehtinen) Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland Subject: Re: nroff for cpm Message-Id: <1077@korppi.tut.fi> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa in article <330@cblpf.ATT.COM>, dar@cblpf.ATT.COM (David Roth) says: > > Anyone know of a nroff clone for MS-DOS or CP/M machines? > I have a friend who has access to both of these machines and would > like to use nroff. Public domain would be nice. In last three numbers (feb, mar, apr) of Dr. Dobbs Journal is C-listing of Unix compatible version of nroff called nr. Sources propably are available on diskette, which you can order from publisher of DDJ. ( You can also type them in from listings, if you wish to get some typewriting exercise :-) ...mcvax!tut!pl ! All opinions expressed above Pertti Lehtinen ! are preliminary and in subject N 61 26' E 23 50' ! to change without any further notice. -- ...mcvax!tut!pl ! All opinions expressed above Pertti Lehtinen ! are preliminary and in subject N 61 26' E 23 50' ! to change without any further notice. 30-Apr-87 06:36:26-MDT,6269;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 30-Apr-87 06:36:15 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1987 06:36 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Z280 - run 8-bit CP/M at twice IBM-AT speed From GEnie's CP/M RoundTable: ---------- Category 2, Topic 34 Message 2 Sun Apr 12, 1987 B.DUERR [Bill] (Forwarded) Zilog finally does it--the Z280 is here! It's what the original Z800 was said to be and more. The Z800 has been rumored for four years now as a super chip that is still compatible with the Z80. The chip is an extension of a Z80, much more so than the HD64180. The Z280 runs all Z80 instructions (and therefore all 8080 instructions) and includes an expanded set of 45 new instructions plus additional addressing modes. It has both 8-bit and 16-bit signed and unsigned multiply and divide instructions. The set has over 600 instructions. At clock rates of 10 megahertz and above, 16-megabytes of memory address space, and 8-bit Z80 bus or 16-bit Zilog Z-Bus, capabilities far exceed Intel's 80286 used in IBM PC AT. Addressing modes offered make high-level languages more effective than ever. Using the Z-Bus, an extended Z80 instruction set is available and a CPU that is true 16-bit, as is the 80286. The Zilog Z280 is a highly integrated CPU, major functions are a paged memory-management unit with a 256-byte data and instruction cache, three-stage instruction pipelining, a four-channel DMA controller, three 16-bit counter/timers, a six-stage wait-state generator, a DRAM refresh controller, and a high-speed UART with rates up to 2.5 mHz. ---------- Category 2, Topic 34 Message 3 Sun Apr 12, 1987 B.DUERR [Bill] (Forwarded) High Tech Research is planning to use the Zilog Z280 in their "Ultraboard", an add-on board for all '84 Series CP/M Kaypros including the 10-83. The High Tech Research Ultraboard is now in beta-testing for a summer release and has a target price of less than $500. You will be able take the cover off your CP/M Kaypro, unplug the Z80 chip, plug the Ultraboard into the Z80 chip socket, attach the Kaypro monitor cable to the Ultraboard, and your CP/M Kaypro will run with a processing speed of 12MHz, up from its' current 4MHz, with an effective throughput up to 10 times that of a normal CP/M Kaypro in situations that aren't I/O bound (limited by disk access speed, etc.). It will come with 1 megabyte of RAM, expandable to 16 megabytes, configurable as a RAM disk by the user. You will be able to choose your own foreground and background hues on an external RGB color monitor. The board supports Virtual Memory and Cache Memory. The Ultraboard's Z280 on-board Cache Memory automatically stores all recently used instructions and/or data, so the processor has instant access to them for memory fetches, and subsequent disk and memory accesses are eliminated. On chip Cache Memory can reduce bus transactions by a much as 75%. Its Instruction Pipeline functions like three co-processors built into a single chip, internally processing multiple instructions. As the first processor is handling one instruction, processors two and three are simultaneously working on the next two instructions. Pipelining contributes dramatically to the Ultraboard's improved processing speed. High Tech Research had to replace the Kaypro screen driver so the screen could keep up with the Z280's processing speed. The Ultraboard includes a new 18MHz no-wait-state graphics screen driver, with its own 256 byte Cache Memory for instantaneous screen updates, 25 times faster than your current screen. No more waiting for the screen to catch up with your programs. The new screen driver comes with an RGB connector so you can attach an external color monitor to your Kaypro and select your own display colors. You can even design your own character sets, and switch between them and the standard Kaypro character set. The graphics chip set (GKS) on the Ultraboard contains a subset of the new GKS Standard. The Ultraboard supports multi-tasking and networking. But like the 286 and 386 processors, full realization of these Ultraboard capabilities awaits the completion of an operating system, already under development, specific to the new processor. A power kit supplies continuous backup battery power to the RAM, to keep the memory capacity of the machine always active, during a cold boot, a power failure, or even when the computer is turned off. The Ultraboard provides pin-outs for an SCSI bus, enabling the processor to support up to 300 megabytes of hard disk storage. The package will include enhanced version of Handyman, which will remove the 8K limit on notepad, for example. High Tech Research has in development a high speed interface between the Ultraboard and the PC. This will eventually permit the connection of the CP/M Kaypro to a cheap PC clone for hard disk storage, and for use as a network file server. As far as pure speed goes, the Ultraboard should be at least comparable to a standard AT. The real question is whether there will be any software written to take advantage of it. Standard CP/M software should run but won't take advantage of the extra memory, which will have to be used as a RAM disk. High Tech is in contact with some people who are interested in converting programs to the new chip. Depending on how the chip itself handles the extra memory, it might be easy to convert a program to look for RAM beyond 64K and use it if found. ---------- Category 2, Topic 34 Message 4 Mon Apr 20, 1987 B.DUERR [Bill] (Forwarded) For more information on the Zilog Z280 chip, contact Jim Magill, Richard Davies, or Tom Hampton, Product and Technical Marketing, Zilog, Inc., 210 Hacienda Ave., Campbell, CA 95008, 408/370-8000 or 370-5166. For more information on the Ultraboard contact High Tech Research, 1135 Pine Street, #107, Redding, CA 96001, (800)446-3220, (800)446-3223 in California. ---------- 30-Apr-87 13:28:34-MDT,1397;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Apr 87 13:28:15 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.25) id AA16718; Thu, 30 Apr 87 11:59:54 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Apr 87 15:37:06 GMT From: ihnp4!chinet!steinmetz!davidsen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (William E. Davidsen Jr) Organization: General Electric CRD, Schenectady, NY Subject: Re: nroff for MS-DOS or CP/M machines. Message-Id: <5899@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP> References: <330@cblpf.ATT.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <330@cblpf.ATT.COM> dar@cblpf.ATT.COM (David Roth) writes: %>Anyone know of a nroff clone for MS-DOS or CP/M machines? %>I have a friend who has access to both of these machines and would %>like to use nroff. Public domain would be nice. Elan Software makes an excelent WWB product, including ditroff and some drivers. Don't have the paper address, but their net machine is ihnp4!chinet!steinmetz!elan. Super product and support! -- bill davidsen sixhub \ ARPA: wedu@ge-crd.arpa ihnp4!seismo!rochester!steinmetz -> crdos1!davidsen chinet / "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" 30-Apr-87 14:12:18-MDT,1136;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.COM by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Apr 87 14:11:44 MDT Received: from Semillon.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 30 APR 87 10:41:54 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Apr 87 10:41:46 PDT Sender: pencin.pa@Xerox.COM Return-Path: <@SIMTEL20.ARPA:INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Redistributed: XeroxInfo-CPM^.x Received: from SIMTEL20.ARPA by Xerox.COM ; 28 APR 87 15:48:54 PDT Received: from BRL-SMOKE.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 28 Apr 87 14:32:37 MDT From: Steve Lesh (ISC | howard) To: pplace!pencin@ParcVax.xerox.com cc: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: mouse chars/gs pcpi Message-ID: <870430-104154-3945@Xerox> Does anybody have a fix for Applicard CP/M on the Apple gs to get rid of "mouse" characters when using inverse video? I tried turning the mouse characters off before booting, using a C program to 'poke' both the alternate character set switch and the status byte and embedding control characters to get rid of "mouse" characters in cursor home-and-clear-screen sequences. All to no avail. Thanks in advance. Steven 30-Apr-87 19:08:47-MDT,1052;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Apr 87 19:08:36 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.25) id AA02162; Thu, 30 Apr 87 17:10:48 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Apr 87 14:49:38 GMT From: tikal!amc!jon@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Jon Mandrell) Organization: Applied Microsystems Corp.; Redmond, Wa. Subject: Code optimizers Message-Id: <375@amc.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Has anyone out in net-land typed in the assembly language optimizer from Dr. Dobb's Journal (it came out around a year ago?)? I would be interested in getting a copy. Please e-mail all replies. -- Jon Mandrell (ihnp4!uw-beaver!tikal!amc!jon) Applied Microsystems Corp. All I want is the chance to prove that the statement "Money is not everything" is wrong. 30-Apr-87 21:42:43-MDT,1108;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Apr 87 21:42:36 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.25) id AA05921; Thu, 30 Apr 87 20:03:46 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Apr 87 16:34:51 GMT From: ihnp4!homxb!houxm!ho7cad!wjc@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: nroff for MS-DOS or CP/M machines. Message-Id: <166@ho7cad.ATT.COM> References: <330@cblpf.ATT.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <330@cblpf.ATT.COM>, dar@cblpf.ATT.COM (David Roth) writes: > Anyone know of a nroff clone for MS-DOS or CP/M machines? Look in the last few issues of "Dr Dobb's Journal". There was a series articles detailing an nroff imitator for (I think) MSDOS. Program is available from the publisher at some low price (I don't remember, since I wasn't interested, but I would guess ~$50). Includes source code, I think. 30-Apr-87 22:43:33-MDT,1491;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Apr 87 22:42:55 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.25) id AA07515; Thu, 30 Apr 87 21:41:48 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Apr 87 17:55:54 GMT From: rti-sel!ge-rtp!edison!spm@mcnc.org (Steve Monett) Organization: General Electric Company, Charlottesville, VA Subject: Re: nroff for MS-DOS or CP/M machines. Message-Id: <1111@edison.GE.COM> References: <330@cblpf.ATT.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <330@cblpf.ATT.COM>, dar@cblpf.ATT.COM (David Roth) writes: > Anyone know of a nroff clone for MS-DOS or CP/M machines? > I have a friend who has access to both of these machines and would > like to use nroff. Public domain would be nice. > > Thanks in advance. In the last few issues of Dr. Dobbs Journal of Software Tools there has been a series of columns describing an NROFF clone. It can be ordered from a California publishing house and includes the complete source. The claim is that it has full macro capability and comes with -ms. I have not used the package but plan on getting it eventually. I hope this helps. Standard disclaimer Steve Monett spm@edison.GE.COM