1-Jul-87 10:37:58-MDT,879;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 1-Jul-87 10:37:50 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1987 10:37 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: July RCP/M list now available from SIMTEL20 Now available from SIMTEL20: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: RCPM0787.LZT.1 BINARY 36608 344FH This is the July, 1987, issue of the monthly RCP/M phone number list. It contains the numbers of all known BBS/Remote Systems which support CP/M. This file is also available on my RCP/M and on GEnie's CP/M RoundTable. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST) 2-Jul-87 12:35:32-MDT,1595;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 2 Jul 87 12:34:47 MDT Received: from UHHEPG.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Thu, 02 Jul 87 04:36:35 CDT Date: 1 JUL 87 23:38- From: RALPH%UHHEPG.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu To: INFO-CPM @ SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Re: July RCP/M list now available from SIMTEL20 Date: 1-JUL-1987 23:26:29.32 From: Ralph Becker-Szendy RALPH AT UHHEPG To: GATEWAY::"info-cpm@simtel20.arpa",RALPH Subj: Re: July RCP/M list now available from SIMTEL20 In his message "id 8896; Thu, 02 Jul 87 04:38:30 EDT", Keith Petersen says that new files are available on the server at SIMTEL20. Unfortunately, some days ago Frank Wancho announced that the archive server at SIMTEL20 has been shut down completely (which seems to be true, the system refuses to deliver messages to the server). My conclusion is: either i am completely confused, or there are other ways of accessing the archives (without the ARCHIVE-SERVER), or one of Keith and Frank is wrong. Could someone enlighten me on this ??? Thanx a lot ! Ralph Becker-Szendy P.S.: I think it is very sad that the server had to shut down. I completely agree with Mitch Mlinar : for people on a low budget looking for good PD software to run their system (whether professionally or as a hobby, i do a little bit of both) the best (and in many cases only) source has been shut down. Hope some other place takes the whole thing over soon ! 2-Jul-87 13:09:30-MDT,721;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:UZR50D@DBNRHRZ1.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 2 Jul 87 13:09:01 MDT Received: from DBNRHRZ1.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Thu, 02 Jul 87 11:06:54 CDT Date: Thu, 02 Jul 87 18:07:38 MEZ To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: UZR50D%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Subject: RE: Server shutdown Hi Keith and all other people On Mon, 29 June Keith Petersen wrote : > Just a reminder that all the new files on SIMTEL20 announced to > Info-Cpm are also available on my RCP/M (accessable via PC-Pursuit) > and on GEnie's CP/M RoundTable. How is it possible to get access to one of those still running machines via BITNET ??? Ralf Schukey 2-Jul-87 13:35:53-MDT,721;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:UZR50D@DBNRHRZ1.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 2 Jul 87 13:34:24 MDT Received: from DBNRHRZ1.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Thu, 02 Jul 87 11:06:54 CDT Date: Thu, 02 Jul 87 18:07:38 MEZ To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: UZR50D%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Subject: RE: Server shutdown Hi Keith and all other people On Mon, 29 June Keith Petersen wrote : > Just a reminder that all the new files on SIMTEL20 announced to > Info-Cpm are also available on my RCP/M (accessable via PC-Pursuit) > and on GEnie's CP/M RoundTable. How is it possible to get access to one of those still running machines via BITNET ??? Ralf Schukey 3-Jul-87 00:03:19-MDT,818;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 3 Jul 87 00:03:10 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.26) id AA09579; Thu, 2 Jul 87 19:44:02 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Jul 87 23:32:54 GMT From: ken@cs.rochester.edu (Ken Yap) Organization: U of Rochester, CS Dept, Rochester, NY Subject: Re: Server shutdown Message-Id: <445@sol.ARPA> References: <8707021937.AA01520@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I'm confused. Is only the mail server shutting down? Are the files still available via anonymous ftp? Ken 3-Jul-87 10:13:57-MDT,525;000000000000 Mail-From: WANCHO created at 3-Jul-87 10:13:41 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1987 10:13 MDT Message-ID: From: "Frank J. Wancho" To: ken@CS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Ken Yap) Cc: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Server shutdown In-reply-to: Msg of 2 Jul 1987 17:32-MDT from ken at cs.rochester.edu (Ken Yap) Ken, Only the Archive Request Server has been shut down indefinitely. All our public domain files continue to be available via anonymous ftp. --Frank 3-Jul-87 17:05:46-MDT,13898;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 3-Jul-87 17:05:38 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1987 17:05 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: New files uploaded to SIMTEL20 during June The following is a complete list of CP/M-oriented files uploaded to SIMTEL20 during the month of June, 1987. The numbers following the filenames are the file size in bytes followed by the file format. (7) means ASCII, (8) means binary. For a complete list of all CP/M files, see: PD:CPM.CRCLST - Complete list with CRC values PD:CPM.ARC - The above, ARChived (much smaller), binary(8). PD:FILES.DIR - Abbreviated list with only directory and file names PD:FILES.IDX - Similar to below, no descriptions, comma delimited There is currently no complete listing of all files, with descriptions. That is in the process of being created and will be announced when available. In the meantime, see PD:GENIECPM.JZN which is a complete listing of all CP/M files on GEnie, each with a one-line description. Since SIMTEL20 and GEnie have many of the same files, this will be a very useful listing. It is updated monthly. Note: to save space in the following listing, the device name PD: which normally appears ahead of the directory name has been omitted. AP2-PICS.LBR 6400(8) Apple // I/O for PICS & ROS BBS LT19.LBR 41728(8) File typer/extracter/decompresser UNARC16.MSG 6314(7) About ARK/ARC file extraction utility LINK80.DZC 2816(8) Help for using LINK-80 FCCAGAIN.TZT 3072(8) New FCC proposal of phone access fee PICS-AP2.LBR 6016(8) Apple 2 drivers for PICS 1.5 PICS16.ARK 150528(8) PICS ver. 1.6 - Turbo Pascal BBS system. RNET0687.LZT 15744(8) Listing of ROSNET systems - 6/1/87 SOCAL041.LZT 21760(8) Southern California BBS list BIOSR3.ARK 98688(8) Commodore C128 CP/M enhanced BIOS I2C8-2.AZM 8192(8) IMP Overlay - Commodore C128 IMP-C8.COM 18688(8) IMP245 configured for Commodore C128 KEY128-2.ARK 10368(8) Save key configurations on C-128 C128SYS.ARK 4096(8) C128 system for use with BBS C128BYE.ARK 12288(8) C128 BYE for PBBS on A: drive PBBS8COM.ARK 66816(8) C128 PBBS COM files for A0: & A14: NOTE: The above 3 files are a complete PBBS bulletin board system for the C128, ready to run. XC1E.LBR 27904(8) "C" cross-reference utility DEM2CMAL.LBR 93824(8) Comal-80/Z80 demo update ANIMATE2.CQD 2048(8) Problem with dBASE ANIMATE.CMD DBHELP.LBR 12544(8) dBASE on-line HELP command FILELOCK.LBR 24960(8) Protect files on a shared system SAP54.LBR 13056(8) Sort/pack CP/M DateStamper directory RESTOREA.LBR 33792(8) Reorganize fragmented disk GENIECPM.JZN 104576(8) List of CP/M files on GEnie - Jun JUNBEST.LZT 24832(8) Best of public domain software - Jun ROYALOAK.DZR 20480(8) Directories of Royal Oak RCP/M - Jun AREA10.LBR 13056(8) Search database for area code CPMSRC2.LZT 3328(8) A list of sources for CP/M software STARLET.IZF 2048(8) NEC Starlet battery recharger Z80H.TXT 1916(7) Speed up with the Z80H CPU chip GENIE.IDX 4018(7) Index to GEnie RoundTables/Features INDUCT20.BZS 8064(8) Inductance calculations in MBasic I218-4.AZM 7168(8) IMP Overlay - SB180 MicroMint I2A2-3.AZM 7296(8) IMP Overlay - Apple //c I2A3-3.AZM 7296(8) IMP Overlay - Apple /// I2AC-2.AZM 6400(8) IMP Overlay - Actrix computer I2AD-2.AZM 6400(8) IMP Overlay - Advanced Digital I2AL-3.AZM 6272(8) IMP Overlay - Altos 8000 I2AM-4.AZM 7168(8) IMP Overlay - Ampro Little Board I2AP-10.AZM 15360(8) IMP Overlay - Various Apple CP/M I2AP-9.AZM 15104(8) IMP Overlay - Various Apple CP/M I2AV-1.AZM 7680(8) IMP Overlay - Apple PCPI Applicard I2B2-2.AZM 6144(8) IMP Overlay - Big Board II I2B3-2.AZM 6528(8) IMP Overlay - Bondwell 2 Laptop I2BT-4.AZM 6528(8) IMP Overlay - Beehive Topper I2BW-3.AZM 6144(8) IMP Overlay - Bondwell 12/14 I2C8-2.AZM 8192(8) IMP Overlay - Commodore C128 I2CC-5.AZM 7936(8) IMP Overlay - CCS 2719/2830 I2CP-2.AZM 7808(8) IMP Overlay - Compupro Interfacer I2DA-2.AZM 6528(8) IMP Overlay - Davidge DST3-4/6 I2DG-2.AZM 6400(8) IMP Overlay - Digital Group I2DM-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Dynabyte Monarch I2DP-2.AZM 6272(8) IMP Overlay - Datapoint 1560 I2DV-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Datavue 3000 I2EA-2.AZM 6272(8) IMP Overlay - Eagle II and III I2EP-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Epson QX-10/16 I2EQ-4.AZM 7552(8) IMP Overlay - Insight Enterprises I2FT-2.AZM 6144(8) IMP Overlay - Facit DTC Computers I2H8-5.AZM 6784(8) IMP Overlay - Heath/Zenith 89 I2HZ-6.AZM 6912(8) IMP Overlay - Heath/Zenith 100 I2KP-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Kaypro, external modem I2LO-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Lobo MAZ-80 I2MC-2.AZM 7424(8) IMP Overlay - Molecular Series X I2MD-2.AZM 6272(8) IMP Overlay - Morrow MD3 I2MDA-3.AZM 9600(8) IMP Overlay - Morrow MD3 I2ME-3.AZM 6144(8) IMP Overlay - Morrow MD5/MD11 I2MM-4.ZZ0 7296(8) IMP Overlay - MicroMint SB180 I2MO-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Morrow MD3 I2MT-2.AZM 6272(8) IMP Overlay - Memotech SDZ-512 I2NA-3.AZM 6400(8) IMP Overlay - North Star Advantage I2NC-2.AZM 6144(8) IMP Overlay - NCR Decision Mate 5 I2NE-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - NEC 8801 I2NH-3.AZM 5888(8) IMP Overlay - North Star Horizon I2NS-6.AZM 7552(8) IMP Overlay - North Star Horizon I2OA-2.AZM 6656(8) IMP Overlay - Otrona Attache I2OS-5.AZM 16000(8) IMP Overlay - Osborne OS-1 I2OV-3.AZM 8576(8) IMP Overlay - Osborne Vixen I2OX-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Osborne Executive I2R2-2.AZM 5888(8) IMP Overlay - TRS-80 Model II/12 I2R4-2.AZM 5760(8) IMP Overlay - TRS-80 Model 4 I2RV-5.AZM 2432(8) IMP Overlay - Racal-Vadic autodial I2S2-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Sanyo 1200/1250 I2SB-2.AZM 6144(8) IMP Overlay - Intertec Super Brain I2SD-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - SD Systems SBC-200 I2SP-2.AZM 6144(8) IMP Overlay - Coleco Adam/EVE SP-1 I2SS-3.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - CompuPro Sys Support 1 I2SV-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - SVI-238 I2SY-3.AZM 7168(8) IMP Overlay - Sanyo computers I2TD-2.AZM 6272(8) IMP Overlay - TurboDOS 1.4x I2TS-2.AZM 6912(8) IMP Overlay - Timex-Sinclair 2068 I2TV-5.AZM 8192(8) IMP Overlay - TeleVideo 801/802/804 I2US-1.AZM 5888(8) IMP Overlay - US Robotics S-100 I2VB-3.AZM 2304(8) IMP Overlay - Verbose only modems I2VG-2.AZM 6912(8) IMP Overlay - Vector Graphics 3/4 I2VI-2.AZM 7680(8) IMP Overlay - Visual 1050 I2WM-3.AZM 6144(8) IMP Overlay - WaveMate Bullet I2XE-2.AZM 6016(8) IMP Overlay - Xerox 820 I2ZB-2.AZM 6272(8) IMP Overlay - Zorba IMP-OVL.LZT 3584(8) IMP Overlay customization notes IMP245.LBR 78080(8) IMP modem communications program IMP2Z11.LBR 12800(8) A ZCPR shell escape for IMP IMPATCH2.LBR 20352(8) Menu program to change IMP options NOTE: The IMP245 modem program has some new features which require changes in the customization overlay file. All the new overlays above provide the enhanced features. KP-ZDOS.LBR 9216(8) Kaypro Self-install CP/M look-alike KPBYE5.LBR 23040(8) RCP/M system for Kaypro METAKEYS.LBR 12288(8) Redefine Kaypro's vector keys/keypad HAPFONTS.LBR 31232(8) Font printing program PRINTCPM.LBR 18688(8) Several printer setup utilities PRINTSET.LBR 30848(8) General printer set up utility MXM-SM15.AZM 6912(8) MEX Overlay - Hayes SmartModem MODMLOOP.MZG 1920(8) Discussion of modem loop problems SSTERM20.LBR 29056(8) Split Screen terminal program YMODEM4.DZC 25600(8) XMODEM/YMODEM/MODEM7 protocol doc RLI120.ARK 229800(8) W0RLI MailBox/GateWay, version 12.0 RLI120.UPD 1854(7) W0RLI MailBox/GateWay, version 12.0 Info CNKYPM10.AZM 2176(8) PoorMan's Network/Columbia Shoebox XFRTOOL2.LBR 99840(8) RCP/M log analysis utilities SORTV-15.LBR 12544(8) Variable length record sort CP-PKSQ.CPR 528(7) Comparison of CRUNCH23 and PKX35A35 WINDOM2.LBR 33664(8) Window Management in Turbo Modula 2 PMODEM.ARK 49536(8) Turbo Pascal-based modem comm. pgm. XLIST60.LBR 49408(8) Cross-reference listing for Pascal DLCR.LBR 1920(8) File deletion utilities FILT7-CR.LBR 9600(8) Filter for typesetting VIEW40.LBR 22144(8) Z-System text file viewer WS-KAMAS.AZT 5760(8) Using KAMAS with WordStar WSREFMAN.DZC 60800(8) Customize WordStar's features 820DIFF.IZF 3328(8) 21-Jun-87 Info of Xerox 820-1 ETCH 1 and 2 RPM-TOUR.IZF 14464(8) Tour of RP operating system by ZEDUX ZEDUX.IZF 6912(8) Info about ZEDUX Z280 adapter boards ZEDUX280.DZC 2816(8) A Z280 add-on card for CP/M systems ARUNZ09E.LBR 12288(8) ZCPR 3.3 extended command processor CLEAND18.LBR 32000(8) Sorts/packs/cleans ZCPR 3.3 directory HSH33PAT.LBR 9856(8) Patch to HSH15 for ZCPR 3.3 RLX16.LBR 15360(8) ZCPR33 Library utility SHOW11.LBR 41600(8) Displays ZCPR33 system configuration STATPAT.ZZ0 1280(8) Patch for STAT.COM under ZCPR 3.3 SUB34.LBR 16000(8) Submit replacement for ZCPR 3.3 TCJ25.MZG 4224(8) Sage ZSIG Column, TCJ Issue #25 TCJ26.MZG 12032(8) Sage ZSIG Column, TCJ Issue #26 TCJ27.MZG 15360(8) Sage ZSIG Column, TCJ Issue #27 XSUBZ14.LBR 12160(8) ZCPR33 XSUB replacement Z33-M80.HZW 2560(8) Changes to assemble ZCPR 3.3 with M80 Z33-M80.LBR 26496(8) Changes to assemble ZCPR 3.3 with M80 Z33-TM2.LBR 5888(8) ZCPR33 for use with Turbo Modula 2 Z33-ZASM.LBR 7936(8) Installing ZCPR33 with ZASM Z33ANOTE.0Z1 1152(8) ZCPR33 Application Note 001 Z33ANOTE.0Z2 6016(8) ZCPR33 Application Note 002 Z33ERR07.LBR 10880(8) ZCPR 3.3 error handler Z33FCP10.LBR 41600(8) ZCPR 3.3 Flow Command Package Z33FIX.0Z1 2304(8) ZCPR 3.3 fix to command buffer Z33GCONF.TZT 25344(8) Transcript of GEnie ZCPR33 conference Z33LIB.LBR 6528(8) REL library for ZCPR 3.3 Z33LIB03.LBR 7808(8) LIB routines for ZCPR 3.3 Z33PNOTE.0Z1 2688(8) ZCPR33 Programming note 001 Z33PNOTE.0Z2 2944(8) ZCPR33 Programming note 002 Z33PNOTE.0Z3 5120(8) ZCPR33 Programming note 003 Z33RCP02.LBR 48640(8) Revised RCP for ZCPR 3.3 Z33VERR.LBR 12544(8) ZCPR33 intelligent error handler ZCPR33.LBR 83968(8) ZCPR 3.3 Command Processor ZF10F.AZT 6784(8) Discussion of new ZFILER features ZF10F.LBR 35712(8) New ZFILER with macro capabilities NOTE: An earlier copy of ZF10F.LBR had a problem with a CRC error in one of it's member files. The one listed above is the fixed copy. Z-NEWS.7Z7 10240(8) ZCPR3/SYSLIB/ZRDOS Newsletter #707 Z-NEWS.7Z8 10752(8) ZCPR3/SYSLIB/ZRDOS Newsletter #708 Additional files of possible interest to CP/M users: FCC-1.LTR 723(7) More info on FCC modem access charges FCC-1A.LTR 951(7) / FCC-2.LTR 725(7) / FCC-3.LTR 730(7) / FCC-4.LTR 730(7) / LETTER2.FCC 19123(7) / MORE.FCC 18799(7) / PRELOG 334(7) / README.LTR 2154(7) / 9600-87J.LST 16978(7) List of BBS systems using 9600 bps EDUBBS.LST 30794(7) Education-oriented BBS systems list $50REBATE.HST9600 2242(7) $50 rebate coupon for HST 9600 modem 9600$699.MDM 529(7) How to get an HST 9600 for $699 DIALBACK.SECURITY 10902(7) Security aspects of dial-back LR.TXT 1958(7) Details HST 9600 link request protocol FCCAGAIN.TXT 4072(7) More info on FCC modem access charges PURSUIT.FCC 2941(7) / DISINFO.TXT 9260(7) ZMODEM author says Megalink is all wet YMODEM4.DOC 55130(7) XMODEM/YMODEM/ZMODEM protocol 3-Jul-87 17:51:56-MDT,1437;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 3-Jul-87 17:51:46 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1987 17:51 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Server shutdown SIMTEL20 continues to be a reposity for public domain software. That has NOT changed. Those on the Internet may continue to access the files using "FTP" (a file transfer program not related to netmail). What WAS shut down was the netmail server which allowed those NOT on the Internet to get files via netmail. PC Pursuit is a service of Telenet which allows subscribers in the United States to call any Telenet node and connect with an outgoing dialer modem in about 20 large cities. It costs a flat fee of $25 per month. GEnie is a large national on-line timeshare system, available by subscription only ($5 per hour for 300/1200 bps), to users in the U.S.A., Canada, and Japan. They are NOT connected to other networks. My remote CP/M system is a free access system available via telephone dial-up. It also happens to be in one of the cities that PC Pursuit serves. It is NOT accessable from any other network. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST) 4-Jul-87 11:34:13-MDT,1318;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from OZ.AI.MIT.EDU (MC.LCS.MIT.EDU.#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 4 Jul 87 11:34:06 MDT Date: Sat 4 Jul 87 13:33:28-EDT From: "Mark Becker" Subject: I've been given a disk drive! To: Info-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12315716897.38.CENT.MBECK@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> ..and don't know much about it. It's an old PerSci model 277 drive for 8" diskettes with a voice-coil type head mover. This thing drives two single-sided diskettes with one spindle; there are two slots for diskettes. Even more fun: the spindle motor appears to be DC and is speed controlled via some kind of servo control loop; there's a plastic ring passing through an optodetector and the ring has lots of little black lines etched in it. It does have a standard 8" 50-pin board edge for a push-on connector. However, the power connector is completely foreign to me; uses a 9-pin Molex push-on connector. It was removed from working equipment so it might even still run. Does anyone have information on this thing? Will standard 8" disks work in it? Do the disks require servo information for head positioning? Information will be appreciated. Regards, Mark ------- 4-Jul-87 17:59:21-MDT,1065;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 4 Jul 87 17:59:12 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.26) id AA12147; Sat, 4 Jul 87 16:39:02 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 4 Jul 87 21:11:16 GMT From: ecsvax!tcamp@mcnc.org (Ted A. Campbell) Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Subject: Kaypro CP/M Hard Drive? Message-Id: <3489@ecsvax.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I have a Kaypro Robie computer and have begun to be concerned about the life expectancy of its Drivetec high-density (2.6 meg) removable floppy drives. If you know of anyone who sells a hard disk drive and controller for Kaypro CP/M machines, I'd be very appreciative of the information. -- Ted A. Campbell | Duke Divinity School | Durham, NC 27706 | email: tcamp@ecsvax | 4-Jul-87 21:59:43-MDT,1987;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 4 Jul 87 21:59:29 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.26) id AA14431; Sat, 4 Jul 87 20:37:13 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Jul 87 01:38:03 GMT From: poisson.usc.edu!mlinar@OBERON.USC.EDU (Mitch Mlinar) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles Subject: Re: Kaypro CP/M Hard Drive? Message-Id: <3199@oberon.USC.EDU> References: <3489@ecsvax.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <3489@ecsvax.UUCP> tcamp@ecsvax.UUCP (Ted A. Campbell) writes: > >I have a Kaypro Robie computer and have begun to be concerned about >the life expectancy of its Drivetec high-density (2.6 meg) removable >floppy drives. If you know of anyone who sells a hard disk drive and >controller for Kaypro CP/M machines, I'd be very appreciative of the >information. >-- >Ted A. Campbell | There was some discussion awhile back regarding hard disk extensions (I think so anyway). One aftermarket hard drive add-on I am aware of (having a couple myself) is the Emerald Microware hard disk upgrade. An adapter card plugs into your Z80 socket (or for some Kaypros, into the hard drive connector) and into a Western Digital card; the software supports up to 2 hard drives of any size up to 64M with logical partitioning into up to 8 drives each. You COULD stuff 128M of hard drive into your Robie, but I am comfortable with 40M on my stuff with 5M partitions. I believe Robie's are very strange, but the software works on all Z80 machines without a hitch. The number is (503) 641-0347. I don't recall the price offhand - mine are 1 and 2 years old - and it is dependent upon how much hard drive you want anyway. -Mitch 6-Jul-87 06:59:28-MDT,874;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ncsuvx.ncsu.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 6 Jul 87 06:58:27 MDT Received: by ncsuvx.ncsu.edu (5.54/2 4/27/87) id AA07564; Mon, 6 Jul 87 08:57:02 EDT Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Jul 87 8:29:34 EDT Received: by ncspm.ncsu.edu (4.12/smail2.2/03-06-87) id AA03807; 6 Jul 87 08:29:47 EDT (Mon) From: kevin@ncspm.ncsu.edu (Kevin D. Bond) Message-Id: <8707061229.AA03807@ncspm.ncsu.edu> To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Date: Mon, 6 Jul 87 8:29:34 EDT Subject: Osborne Screen Codes X-Mailer: Elm [version 1.5b] Can anyone mail me this information, especially how to turn on and off half-intensity. -kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin D. Bond uucp: ...!mcnc!ncsuvx!ncspm!kevin Domain: kevin@ncspm.ncsu.edu internet: kevin%ncspm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu 6-Jul-87 07:45:48-MDT,1160;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from decwrl.dec.com by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 6 Jul 87 07:45:27 MDT Received: from rhea.dec.com by decwrl.dec.com (5.54.3/4.7.34) id AA08408; Mon, 6 Jul 87 06:44:06 PDT Message-Id: <8707061344.AA08408@decwrl.dec.com> Date: 06-Jul-1987 0902 From: binder%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Trumper's Eucris. Woolly slippers.) To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA, infoapple%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.dec.com, infocpm%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Leading Edge 3.5" drive for CP/M ? Is there an Applicard CP/M driver available for the Leading Edge 3.5" microfloppy with the Leading Edge Universal Disk Controller? (This is the unit sold by Central Point Software.) I'd like to stick a couple of them on my //e to get a little better disk performance. But I don't want to blow the cash only to find that I can't use what I've bought. I'm not a sharp enough Apple programmer to write my own driver. Thanks, Dick Binder (The Stainless Steel Rat) DEC Enet: FIZBIN::BINDER UUCP: { decvax, allegra, ucbvax... }!decwrl!fizbin.dec.com!binder ARPA: binder%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM 6-Jul-87 17:19:47-MDT,887;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 6 Jul 87 17:18:55 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.26) id AA15456; Mon, 6 Jul 87 14:50:11 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Jul 87 18:35:40 GMT From: tikal!amc!jon@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Jon Mandrell) Organization: Applied Microsystems Corp., Redmond, WA. Subject: CP/M magazines Message-Id: <492@amc.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Can anyone recommend any good CP/M magazines? -- Jon Mandrell, Applied Microsystems Corp., (ihnp4!uw-beaver!tikal!amc!jon) Jung vs Ze G. jrer tnl? Jbhyqa'g "Gur N Grnz" gnxr ba n jubyr qvssrerag zrnavat? 6-Jul-87 17:58:50-MDT,531;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from EDWARDS-2060.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 6 Jul 87 17:58:39 MDT Date: Mon 6 Jul 87 16:57:40-PDT From: D-ROGERS@EDWARDS-2060.ARPA Subject: IBAK patch? To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12316311126.10.D-ROGERS@EDWARDS-2060.ARPA> Does the creator of pd:[cpm.hdutil]IBACK.LBR read this group? I need help. I would like a patchpoint to get IBAK to copy ALL files instead of just the most recently changed - can this be done? Thanks, [dale] ------- 7-Jul-87 06:56:27-MDT,794;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from dmc-crc.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 7 Jul 87 06:56:16 MDT Received: by dmc-crc.arpa; (4.12/4.7) id AA03719; Tue, 7 Jul 87 07:58:40 edt Date: Tue, 7 Jul 87 07:58:40 edt From: marwood@dmc-crc.arpa (G. J. Marwood) Message-Id: <8707071158.AA03719@dmc-crc.arpa> To: binder%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.dec.com, info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA, infoapple%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.dec.com, infocpm%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Re: Leading Edge 3.5" drive for CP/M ? Re - Applicard Driver for the Leading Edge Universal Disk Contrller, I think you will find that PCPIUNI.LBR does the job. This sis available from SIMTEL20 GEnie, Royal Oak (I believe) and ICBBS Ottawa (613-952-2289) and possibly other RCP/Ms. - Gordon Marwood 8-Jul-87 00:00:18-MDT,1192;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 8 Jul 87 00:00:01 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA19023; Tue, 7 Jul 87 22:39:54 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 7 Jul 87 16:31:11 GMT From: tikal!sigma!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (WIlliam Swan) Organization: Summation Inc, Kirkland WA Subject: AppleII <-> Kaypro format? Message-Id: <1272@sigma.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa (I ought to know the answer to this one - but don't!) I have a disk in Apple II CP/M format, and need to transfer it to a Kaypro. I have occasional access to a Kaypro (it actually belongs to my mother, who needs the software and is 1000 kilometers away), and none at all to an Apple. Is there a utility that will read an Apple II CP/M disk on a Kaypro? Are the formats even that compatible? All pointers gladly accepted.. -- William Swan {ihnp4,decvax,allegra,...}!uw-beaver!tikal!sigma!bill 8-Jul-87 09:02:57-MDT,575;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from wsmr02.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 8 Jul 87 09:02:50 MDT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 87 9:01:29 MDT From: Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AS 678-1376 Subject: Re: CP/M magazines In-Reply-To: Your message of 6 Jul 87 18:35:40 GMT To: tikal!amc!jon@beaver.cs.washington.edu Cc: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa The only thing I have been able to find that is worthwhile is the FOGHORN. Monthly newsletter of FOG (First Osborne Group). Cost is $25/year. Send to FOG, P.O.Box 3474, Daly City CA 94015-0474. 8-Jul-87 19:55:31-MDT,746;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 8-Jul-87 19:55:18 Date: Wednesday, 8 July 1987 09:08-MDT Message-ID: Sender: JAM%CCC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA From: JAM%CCC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA To: INFO-CPM-REQUEST%SIMTEL20.ARPA@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: CP/M Magazines ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm ReSent-Date: Wed 8 Jul 1987 19:55-MDT I can reccomend Microsystems . It still has CP/M articles and columns. It has started carying pc type info also, but has a strong CP/M history. Also, Micro Cornucopia has a lot of CP/M articles. I do not have the subscription information on either of thes magazines, but your local library should be able to help. Jim Morton 8-Jul-87 23:11:19-MDT,1023;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from OZ.AI.MIT.EDU (MC.LCS.MIT.EDU.#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 8 Jul 87 23:11:12 MDT Date: Thu 9 Jul 87 01:10:19-EDT From: "Mark Becker" Subject: Followup: I've been given a disk drive! To: Info-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12316892330.23.CENT.MBECK@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Hello All - I never realized the resource Info-CPM presents when I posted my request for information on the Persci 277 disk drive. Many people responded with comments on the drive (mostly favorable in terms of reliability) and there have been several offers of manuals. My thanks to those that responded (I have replied to them individually) and to those whose messages have yet to arrive. Thanks also to the powers-that-be for the existence of the Info-CPM list without which I'm sure a lot of neophytes would still be wandering around in the dark. Happy regards to all - Mark ------- 9-Jul-87 09:49:09-MDT,1414;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:MSRS003@ECNCDC.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 9 Jul 87 09:48:16 MDT Received: from ECNCDC.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Thu, 09 Jul 87 10:45:58 CDT Date: Thu 09 Jul 1987 10:38 CDT From: Scott McBurney Subject: Cromemco To: I was given a Cromemco system one with a 5 meg hard disk and one floppy drive. It also has a board that has 2 parallel printer outputs (for 2 different printers). I don't know what the board number is, but it is a cromemco board. The computer runs CDOS, I guess it is similar to CP/M. Can anyone tell me how to hook up a standard dot matrix printer (parallel) to this computer? Also, what kinds of software are available for it? It has CBASIC, an interesting structured basic, and a simple screen editor. I would appreciate any information about any aspect of the machine that I can get. Thanks, Scott McBurney - Western Illinois University Bitnet: MSRS003@ECNCDC Internet: MSRS003%ECNCDC.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU GEnie: S.MCBURNEY --------------------------------------------------------------- "If a program is made completely foolproof, then only a fool will use it." --------------------------------------------------------------- 9-Jul-87 13:24:50-MDT,2371;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from rand-unix.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 9 Jul 87 13:24:33 MDT Received: by rand-unix.arpa; Thu, 9 Jul 87 12:14:33 PDT Received: from newton.arpa by rcc.arpa; Thu, 9 Jul 87 12:14:39 PDT From: Bridger Mitchell Received: from localhost by newton.arpa; Thu, 9 Jul 87 12:14:33 PDT Message-Id: <8707091914.AA15850@newton.arpa> To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Cc: bridger%rcc@rand-unix.ARPA Subject: Testsites for MS-DOS disk emulator? Date: Thu, 09 Jul 87 12:14:30 PDT I've developed a software extension to CP/M, tentatively called DosDisk, that allows CP/M programs to use files stored on an MS-DOS (PC-DOS) floppy disk _directly_ -- without intervening translation or copying. When DosDisk is loaded, you designate one floppy drive as the dos drive. Regular CP/M programs can then read, write, rename, erase, and change the attributes of MS-DOS files, just as if they were stored on a CP/M disk. For example, you can edit MS-DOS text files in place. DosDisk differs from specialized CP/M file transfer programs (such as UniForm or MediaMaster). They require MS-DOS files to be copied to a CP/M drive to be used. DosDisk, in contrast, "mounts" the MS-DOS file system on the selected drive, making that disk effectively part of the CP/M system. DosDisk requires: a Z80-type processor CP/M 2.2, 3.1, or equivalent about 3K + 2K for command processor a BIOS that can support MS-DOS DSDD 40 track 9-sector format. an assembly-language overlay to interface to the BIOS When fully tested DosDisk is expected to be available as a low-cost commercial or shareware program. I'm looking for users interested in developing and testing the interface overlay for a variety of CP/M computers. Tests are already underway for: Kaypros with TurboRom Ampros SB-180's Potential testsites should: have a computer other than one of the above also use MS-DOS have advanced assembly-language experience be willing to contribute overlay code have a BIOS with provision for specifying "foreign" disk formats If you're interested, please reply directly to me. I'd also like to hear from less technical users about the program's potential usefulness to them. --bridger mitchell bridger@rand-unix.arpa 9-Jul-87 14:54:35-MDT,1397;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from rand-unix.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 9 Jul 87 14:54:09 MDT Received: by rand-unix.arpa; Thu, 9 Jul 87 13:05:37 PDT Received: from localhost by rcc.arpa; Thu, 9 Jul 87 13:05:39 PDT From: Bridger Mitchell Message-Id: <8707092005.AA17385@rcc.arpa> To: tikal!sigma!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (WIlliam Swan) Cc: bridger%rcc@rand-unix.ARPA, info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: Re: AppleII <-> Kaypro format? In-Reply-To: Your message of 7 Jul 87 16:31:11 GMT. <1272@sigma.UUCP> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 87 13:05:35 PDT Apples *record* data differently from cp/m and ms/dos disk controllers, and there's no way the Kaypro's hardware can be made to read or write a disk from an Apple disk controller. For 100+ cp/m formats and ms/dos formats, there are format-to-format copy programs. Specifically for the Kaypro, Plu*Perfect Systems has MULTICOPY, which runs on Kaypros with a TurboRom. It supports direct use of foreign formats as well as file-copying capability. UniForm and MediaMaster are other file-copy utilities. But for Apple <--> Kaypro, the best thing to do is hook up the two machines with communications software and upload/download the files. You'll need one communications program for each machine -- eg MEX for Kaypro, AsciiExpress for Apple. --bridger 9-Jul-87 15:19:57-MDT,853;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from E.ISI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 9 Jul 87 15:19:48 MDT Date: 9 Jul 1987 16:15-CDT Sender: SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU Subject: Osborne CP/M From: John A. Wright To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <[E.ISI.EDU] 9-Jul-87 16:15:47.SAC.HQSAC-DOCT> I recently "acquired" an Osborne Executative and two Osborne I "luggable" computers. I have been unable to get some of the Osborne software to run on either machine. All that I have downloaded from Simtel will not run. Anyone have any ideas? Another question, how (or for that matter can you) make these machines work with a normal TV. There are two video ports on the Executative, one for composite, the other just says "video." Any ideas on this? Thanks in advance! 9-Jul-87 18:25:00-MDT,862;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 9 Jul 87 18:24:43 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA02070; Thu, 9 Jul 87 16:58:54 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Jul 87 18:26:07 GMT From: cbosgd!cblpf!dar@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David A. Roth) Organization: Columbus, Ohio Subject: Any 'vi' clones for the C128? How about CP/M mode? Message-Id: <589@cblpf.ATT.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Do any 'vi' clones exist for the C128? How about for the CP/M mode? Thanks in advance. AT&T Bell Laboratories David A. Roth Columbus, Ohio uucp: cbosgd!cblpf!dar 10-Jul-87 10:34:28-MDT,1563;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 10-Jul-87 10:34:20 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 87 15:21 N Message-ID: Sender: CBWP8008%IRUCCVAX.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU From: CBWP8008%IRUCCVAX.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU To: Info-Cpm-Request@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: cpm ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm ReSent-Date: Fri 10 Jul 1987 10:34-MDT I don't use cpm much but i have a small problem with a machine here i'm trying to get software and data off of. the software is ok (ascii transfer) but i'm having to uuencode all the data files to transfer them. The machine is a british made systime 500. which is cpm86 based with cpm 2.2. It uses 4 4mb removable cartridges and 5 rs232 ports at the back and can support up to 4 users. I thought that rainbow(also cpm86) kermit might work on this so i hexified it and transfered to the systime and it worked... sort of. The program ran but the data didn't seem to be coming out of any of the ports in the back of the machine. what i want to know is if there is any way of defining a communications channel in cpm (as you can see i know very little about it) or is kermit hardware specific for the rainbow, which has a coms port. If it is is there any ready written communications software written in ms-basic ( the only language around on the systime) which i could port on to it. Uuencoding isn't so bad for the smaller files (<250K) but there are several here which exceed 2.5mb so i could be here for YEARS transfering them Thanx Ian Murphy (^v^) 10-Jul-87 14:26:39-MDT,602;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 10-Jul-87 14:26:18 Date: Friday, 10 July 1987 14:06-MDT Message-ID: Sender: Brint Cooper From: Brint Cooper To: JAM%CCC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA cc: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: CP/M Magazines ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm ReSent-Date: Fri 10 Jul 1987 14:26-MDT There was very little CP/M of any type in the latest Micro/Systems. There were no articles at all. It's obvious that CP/M will soon be a thing of the past in that journal. _Brint 10-Jul-87 14:58:07-MDT,1134;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from lll-lcc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 10 Jul 87 14:57:34 MDT Received: Fri, 10 Jul 87 13:54:32 PDT from lll-es-s05.arpa by lll-lcc.ARPA (5.51/) id AA18343; Fri, 10 Jul 87 13:54:32 PDT Return-Path: Received: by lll-es-s05.ARPA (1.1/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA28705; Fri, 10 Jul 87 13:58:29 PDT Message-Id: <8707102058.AA28705@lll-es-s05.ARPA> Date: Fri Jul 10 13:58:26 1987 From: hanscom@lll-es-s05 (Roger Hanscom 423-0441) Subject: RE: CP/M Magazines To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Status: N > Also, Micro Cornucopia has a lot of CP/M articles. > I do not have the subscription information on either of thes > magazines, but your local library should be able to help. > Jim Morton Micro Cornucopia is a great magazine, but they've got the "MS-DOS" disease. Dave Hardy's S-100 column was even missing in the most recent issue. I would recommend Micro C to anyone who has an interest in hardware and software beyond the appliance level, but if you subscribe looking for a large amount of CP/M material, you'll be disappointed. 12-Jul-87 09:56:21-MDT,1740;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 12 Jul 87 09:56:01 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA22767; Sun, 12 Jul 87 08:21:19 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Jul 87 07:49:49 GMT From: hp-sdd!ucsdhub!jack!man!crash!kevinb@hplabs.hp.com (Kevin Belles) Organization: Avalon One Subject: Xebec HD controller (s-100) / *odd* floppy drive Message-Id: <1373@crash.CTS.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I'm looking for information on the Xebec Hard disk controller for S-100 bus machines. Does anybody out there have any info, such as manuals, BIOS code, back-end drivers, or (especially) BIOS code for it and either Compupro or CCS (California Computer Systems) machines? I will soon be getting one, and I'm hoping to interface it to what I've got. I'm also looking for infor mation on an *extremely* odd minifloppy drive I picked up at a swap meet recently. It's a Teac FD-55A, but it's got a logic board by somebody called AMust Computer Corp, and has a male 20-pin IDC connector on the back for all connections, including power. Anybody ever heard of such an interface? I'd like to either patch it in, or find a real Teac logic board. TIA, Kevin -- Kevin J. Belles - UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd, akgua, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!kevinb ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ - ARPA: crash!kevinb@{nosc, ucsd} - INET: kevinb@crash.CTS.COM - BIX: kevinb -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Jul-87 09:59:26-MDT,2047;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 12 Jul 87 09:59:15 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA17692; Sat, 11 Jul 87 23:36:43 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Jul 87 04:02:12 GMT From: poisson.usc.edu!mlinar@OBERON.USC.EDU (Mitch Mlinar) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles Subject: Re: cpm Message-Id: <3327@oberon.USC.EDU> References: Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article CBWP8008@IRUCCVAX.BITNET writes: > .... >the back and can support up to 4 users. I thought that rainbow(also >cpm86) kermit might work on this so i hexified it and transfered to >the systime and it worked... sort of. The program ran but the data >didn't seem to be coming out of any of the ports in the back of the >machine. > >what i want to know is if there is any way of defining a >communications channel in cpm (as you can see i know very little about Sorry, Ian, but CP/M lacked a REAL generic interface to a serial port. All modem software for CP/M is hardwired for a given port at some point or another; nearly all BIOSes have no provision for it. The rainbow software is operating on another port. There may be hope, however, since many modem programs (early ones) have a few bytes you can "ding" to change the port # to the proper value. You WILL need SOME information about that machine (I never heard of it) as well as the program to figure out where to ding it. (Or, if you know the port information, any PD modem program could have an overlay written for it and that would also solve your problem.) Otherwise, a good CP/M hacker could find it for you, but it would take a little time... Good luck. -Mitch 12-Jul-87 11:45:58-MDT,1259;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 12 Jul 87 11:45:51 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA02715; Fri, 10 Jul 87 23:51:09 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Jul 87 18:34:59 GMT From: tikal!sigma!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (WIlliam Swan) Organization: Seattle Piping Society, Seattle WA Subject: Thanks to all! (Re: AppleII <-> Kaypro format?) Message-Id: <1288@sigma.UUCP> References: <1272@sigma.UUCP>, <3519@well.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <3519@well.UUCP> samlb@well.UUCP (Samuel B. Bassett) writes, in a typical reply: > No can do -- Apple uses an entirely non-standard disk controller to >write the disks. I have the software now on 8" disk, and a friend has offered to transfer it to Kaypro format 5-1/4" (I don't have direct access to either Kaypro or Apple). -- William Swan {ihnp4,decvax,allegra,...}!uw-beaver!tikal!sigma!bill =====O "Old Pipers never die, they just blow away.." *\:-) 12-Jul-87 11:54:45-MDT,951;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from E.ISI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 12 Jul 87 11:54:29 MDT Date: 10 Jul 1987 19:49-CDT Sender: SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU Subject: Corvus hard drive From: John A. Wright To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <[E.ISI.EDU]10-Jul-87 19:49:34.SAC.HQSAC-DOCT> I have seen this question before, but can't find the answer in my files! I have a Corvus 6mg hard drive that I "acquired" for the office. Unfortunately something seems to be wrong. When I Boot it I get a msg that says I only have 96k of RAM. I think that it has been "sectored" but I don't know how to find that out. Anyone out there have any ideas or knowledge of the Corvus. I use it with an ALSPA system that I like pretty well. I didn't get any manuals with it so I am really in the dark. Any help would be very much appreciated! Thanks in advance! John 12-Jul-87 20:01:30-MDT,1838;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 12 Jul 87 20:01:11 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA26677; Sun, 12 Jul 87 14:39:27 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Jul 87 17:45:16 GMT From: ihnp4!chinet!mihalo@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (William Mihalo) Organization: Chinet, Chicago Ill. Subject: Toshiba T-100 CP/M Microcomputer For Sale Message-Id: <1297@chinet.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Toshiba T-100 microcomputer with 64k of memory, two double-sided, double density disk drives, an RGB color monitor and 300 baud modem. The system was purchased in late 1982 for over $3,000. I'm willing to sell it for $750. Price includes CP/M 2.2, TBASIC (a propietary operating system that resembles BASICA on an IBM PC), a customized copy of the Write! word processing system, a C compiler, a copy of WhizLink terminal emulation program and a copy of Uniform. Also included is a custom cable that you'll need if you want to connect the T-100 to a printer using the parallel port. Toshiba sold about 3,000 T-100's in the United States during 1982-1984. The machine was, apparently compatible with the T-200 and T-250 that were also sold around this time. The T-100 includes a port for a RAM cartridge that holds 32k of memory. The RAM packs were supposed to act as mini-RAMdisks under CP/M or TBASIC. The T-100 also has a proprietary ROM cartridge port that was supposed to accept a PASCAL interpreter. If you're interested contact me directly through electronic mail. Bill Mihalo uucp address: ihnp4!chinet!mihalo 12-Jul-87 23:54:56-MDT,1107;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 12 Jul 87 23:54:49 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA02146; Sun, 12 Jul 87 22:36:29 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Jul 87 03:03:01 GMT From: super.upenn.edu!linc.cis.upenn.edu!sherin@RUTGERS.EDU (Steve Sherin) Organization: University of Pennsylvania Subject: Decompression / IMP / MEX Message-Id: <1456@super.upenn.edu.upenn.edu> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I think I found the Avatex overlay for IMP at simtel20. It's now stuffed into my directory on an Ultrix machine. The file is called I2AV-1.AZM.1. Which program do I use to unsqueeze this? Where can I get it for unix/ my CP/M. I'll probably have to unsqueeze and read it in from my term. program's buffer. PLEASE help. Thanks, Steve Sherin U of P ARPA: sherin@linc.cis.upenn.edu 13-Jul-87 00:02:23-MDT,1642;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 13-Jul-87 00:02:15 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1987 00:02 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Catalog of CP/M public domain files now available Now available from SIMTEL20... Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: CPMJUL12.LST.2 ASCII 132000 2864H <--ascii CPMJUL12.LZT.1 BINARY 71808 A58BH <--crunched CPMJUL12.LST is a list of CP/M public domain files as of 5 a.m. e.d.t. 12-July-87. The listing is sorted alphabetically by filenames within each catagory. Each filename has a short one-line description. This file will be replaced periodically as new files are added to the database. Many of these files are available from SIMTEL20 (see the PD:CPM.CRCLST) and my RCP/M (see PD:ROYALOAK.DZR). All are available from GEnie's CP/M RoundTable. This database is the start of a complete catalog of the files on SIMTEL20. If anyone knows how I can take a directory listing like the one in PD:FILES.IDX (a comma-delimited listing) and somehow match the filenames and merge the two, please contact me via netmail. I would like to have a utility that would make a AAAREAD.ME file for each PD: subdirectory which would contain the descriptions for the files in that directory. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST) 13-Jul-87 00:25:29-MDT,11461;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 13-Jul-87 00:25:19 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1987 00:25 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: super.upenn.edu!linc.cis.upenn.edu!sherin@RUTGERS.EDU (Steve Sherin) Cc: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Decompression / IMP / MEX In-reply-to: Msg of 12 Jul 1987 21:03-MDT from super.upenn.edu!linc.cis.upenn.edu!sherin at RUTGERS.EDU (Steve Sherin) This document is intended to give a brief overview of files stored in the public domain archives at SIMTEL20. Many of the files in our archives have been compressed and/or grouped together in a single file by using one of the utilities available to the public domain that either SQueezes, CRUNCHes, LiBRaries, or ARChives files. This has been done to minimize disk storage requirements and also to minimize download time. These processed files are specially named with a filetype and can be identified by the last 3 letters of a filename after the "." that signifies the conversion. These are: .ARK for CP/M files archived (same as MS-DOS "ARC"). .LBR for files libraried. .?Q? for squeezed files (middle letter is a Q). .?Z? for crunched files (middle letter is a Z). A library is a group of files collected together into one file in such a way that the individual files may be recovered intact. A library file can be identified by the "LBR" as the extent of the file name. LU (Library Utility) is a CP/M utility used to maintain libraries of files. LU does not perform any compression. Because of this, most people will squeeze or crunch files before adding them to a library if they want to save space. If you want to remove the component files (members) from a LBR file, you should have a copy of LU.COM or other LBR extractor utility. At the end of this document is a list of the programs available for that function with libraries. Recently, popular CP/M Public Domain software files and information files are being distributed using ARCHIVE files. Archive files are similar to library (LBR) files in that they take a logical group of files and put them together in a single file. The main difference, is that the members of the "ARC" or "ARK" file are automatically compressed. The compression algorithm chosen is one of three which will produce the smallest file. Archive files have been available to the MS-DOS and PC-DOS areas, but, have been made useful in the CP/M environment with the introduction of the "UNARC" program. The current version is 1.6, and is available with extensive documentation, and two executable COM files, a 8080/8085 version and a Z80 version. The Z80 version takes advantage of the expanded Z80 (and equivalent) instruction set for speed and size, and therefore is machine dependent. There is also a modification overlay to adapt the program to non-standard CP/M 2.2 and 3.0 operating systems, such as CP/M68k and CP/M emulators. Programs are available on many machines to process "ARC" files, the Atari ST, systems running the UNIX systems, systems running MS-DOS, and CP/M. There currently is no CP/M utility available to make an "ARK" file. Archive files will be made in the MS-DOS/PC-DOS, TOPS20 or UNIX environment. To avoid confusion on RCP/Ms that support both MS-DOS and CP/M callers, Archive files have a file extension of "ARK" for CP/M software and information files. Some files on SIMTEL20 have been compressed, using one of the standard public domain utilities, to minimize download time and to save storage space. Files that have been compressed can be identified by the filetype (the last 3 letters of a filename after the '.') that signifies the compression. These are: .?Q? for Squeezed files (middle letter is a Q). .?Z? for Crunched files (middle letter is a Z). USQ120.COM is used to unsqueeze, or expand files that have a "Q" as the middle letter of the filetype. Such files have been squeezed, or compressed with SQ111.COM or similar. These programs use Huffman Encoding to reduce the size of the target file. Depending on the distribution of data in a file it can be reduced in size by 30% to 60% by squeezing it. If you download a file with a filetype indicating that it is squeezed, you will need USQ120.COM to expand it before you can use it. There are other programs available, written in different languages and take advantage of special hardware, but USQ120 is 8080/8085/Z80 compatible. Other utilities are available that have the unsqueeze coding imbedded and function with squeezed or unsqueezed files. There are programs that perform file maintenance functions (NSWP), bi-directiona display utilities (BISHOW), and string search programs, (FYNDE and FINDU). This method of compressing files has been used for some time now and programs to uncompress the files are available to several micro processors and main frame computers. CRUNCH uses the Lempel-Ziv-Welch (LZW) techniques. This method is fast and offers compression ratios around 55%. Highest compression is achieved with graphics data, values of 90% are typical, followed by text, with 50%, and COM files around 20%. This method is new to the CP/M environment. See CRUNCH23.LBR for the Z80 CRUNCH and UNCRunch programs. See FCRNCH11.LBR for the 8080/8085 and V20 CRUNCH and UNCRunch programs. Since this method of compression is relatively new, the only utilities available that processes crunched files are "typer" utilities such as TYPELZW, TYPEQZ, and LT, which also type members of libraries and squeezed files. If running a 8080/8085 processor, check the documentation to determine if the utility will only process files on systems using the Z80 processor. Currently, there is no compatible program for other micro processors or mainframes. MicroSoft BASIC programs are always saved as ASCII files (saved with the ",A" operand). They may than be squeezed or crunched. This has been done to allow them to be converted for use with other BASIC compilers or interpreters. Some executable files have a file extension of "OBJ". These are really "COM" files that have been renamed to "OBJ" to avoid execution on RCP/M systems. Rename them back to "COM" for use them as commands on your system. Below is a list of utilities available on SIMTEL20 that work with the above mentioned files. For the current version, check the directory list PD:. CPMSQV3.LBR SQueeze/UnSQueeze - Turbo Pascal CRUNCH23.LBR Data compression with LZW algorithm DELBR11.COM LBR file extractor DLU12.PQS A library utility in turbo pascal FCRNCH11.LBR A cruncher for 8080 systems. LDIR.COM Directory lister for LBR files LDIR23.COM Lists directory of LBR file LRUN20.LBR Run .COM files inside LBRs LSTYPE.LBR Print multiple files inside LBRs LSWEEP13.LBR Library SWEEP utility extract/view LTYPE17.LBR Types text files inside LBRs LT19.LBR Types and extracts files inside LBRs LU300.DQC Documentation for LU LU310.COM Library Utility version 3.10 LU310.HLP Help file for use with LU310 LU310.UPD Update info on LU310.COM LUDEF5.DQC Internal structure of LBR files LZW.LBR Compression/decompression Utilities NULU15.NOT A note from the author of NULU151 NULU15.WQ Complete user's guide for NULU151 NULU151.COM Machine lang. Library Utility pgm NULUFIX.ASM Bug fixes for NULU15.COM NULUTERM.AQM Terminal configuration for NULU151 SQ.PQS File SQueezer SQ111.COM Machine language SQueezer, very fast SQUEEZE.TXT Tutorial on SQueeze/UnSQueeze SQUPRT33.LBR Portable SQueeze/UnSQueeze in C lang UNARC.COM Z80 version of UNARChive utility UNARC16.ARK UNARC utility for CP/M (rename to UNARC16.COM) UNARCA.COM 8080/8085 version of UNARChive utility UNCR23.COM UNCRunch for CRUNCH20 and prior USQ.PQS SQueezed file UnSQueezer USQ120.COM Dave Rand's machine lang. UnSQueezer USQFST20.LBR Fast unsqueezer for Z80 computers GETTING STARTED CP/M-80 files: PD:COMPRESS.TXT <--explains compressed files PD:CRUNCH.COM <--LZW file cruncher (Z80 only) PD:CRUNCH.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make CRUNCH.COM PD:DELBR11.COM <--extracts file from LBR's PD:DELBR11.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make DELBR11.COM PD:DELBR11A.C <--Aztec C II source for above PD:LU300.DQC <--explains CP/M "LU" program PD:LU310.COM <--the LU program itself (does LBR's) PD:LU310.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make LU310.COM PD:LU310.HLP <--and a help file for it PD:SQ111.COM <--CP/M-80 file squeezer PD:SQ111.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make SQ111.COM PD:SQUEEZE.TXT <--explains squeezed files PD:UNARC.COM-Z80 <--extracts files from ARCs (Z80 only) PD:UNARC.HEX-Z80 <--use LOAD.COM to make UNARC.COM PD:UNARCA.COM-8080 <--ditto, for 8080 PD:UNARCA.HEX-8080 <--use LOAD.COM to make UNARCA.COM PD:UNARC.DOC <--how to use UNARC PD:UNARC.INF <--technical info on UNARC and ARC files PD:UNCR.COM <--LZW file uncruncher (Z80 only) PD:UNCR.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make UNCR.COM PD:UNCR8080.COM <--LZW file uncruncher (8080) PD:UNCR8080.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make UNCR8080.COM PD:USQ120.COM <--CP/M-80 file unsqueezer PD:USQ120.DOC <--how to use it PD:USQ120.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make USQ120.COM PD:UUDECODE.BAS <--decodes uuencoded files (BASIC) (slow) PD:UUDECODE.COM <--decodes uuencoded files PD:UUDECODE.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make UUDECODE.COM PD:UUDECODE.PAS <--Turbo Pascal source for above PD:UUENCODE.COM <--makes uuencoded files PD:UUENCODE.HEX <--use LOAD.COM to make UUENCODE.COM PD:UUENCODE.PAS <--Turbo Pascal source for above CP/M-86 files: PD:NUSQ110.CMD <--unsqueeze for CP/M-86 PD:NUSQ110.HEX <--unsqueeze for CP/M-86 PD:NUSQ110.UUE <--uuencoded NUSQ110.CMD PD:UUDECODE.CMD <--decodes uuencoded files PD:UUDECODE.PAS <--Turbo Pascal source for above PD:UUENCODE.CMD <--makes uuencoded files PD:UUENCODE.PAS <--Turbo Pascal source for above --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST) 14-Jul-87 16:57:14-MDT,1766;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 14 Jul 87 16:56:20 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA10700; Tue, 14 Jul 87 15:38:46 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Jul 87 18:06:19 GMT From: ihnp4!homxb!mtuxo!mtune!codas!cpsc6a!rtech!wrs!dg@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David Goodenough) Organization: Wind River Systems, Emeryville, CA Subject: Re: Xebec HD controller (s-100) / *odd* floppy drive Message-Id: <239@wrs.UUCP> References: <1373@crash.CTS.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <1373@crash.CTS.COM> kevinb@crash.CTS.COM (Kevin J. Belles) writes: > > I'm also looking for infor mation on an *extremely* odd minifloppy drive I >picked up at a swap meet recently. It's a Teac FD-55A, but it's got a logic >board by somebody called AMust Computer Corp, and has a male 20-pin IDC >connector on the back for all connections, including power. Anybody ever heard >of such an interface? I'd like to either patch it in, or find a real Teac >logic board. Sounds to me like the interface used by Apple for their drives (the GCR animals) - see if you can't find out where this came from, 'cause as we all know, when used with standard MFM controllers (WD 1793 or NEC 765) there is a (VERY) standard 34 pin connector used: I've got a couple of Teac 55B's in my system, (double sided version of the 55A) and they use the standard 34 contact edge connector. -- dg@wrs.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ | +-+-+ +-+-+ | +---+ 15-Jul-87 08:26:54-MDT,1784;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Jul 87 08:26:34 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA25312; Wed, 15 Jul 87 07:21:33 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Jul 87 17:42:13 GMT From: tektronix!tekcrl!tekgvs!toma@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Almy) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Subject: Re: cpmForth Message-Id: <2453@tekgvs.TEK.COM> References: <1251@dicome.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <1251@dicome.UUCP> martino@dicome.UUCP (Mark Martino) writes: >Someone mentioned that there is a version of Forth written in C and it's >available in one of the CP/M sig libraries. Has anyone else heard of this? >Do you know how I can get a copy of it? Thanks. Well, there is "pistol". This program compiles only under BDS C. I tried porting it to other environments with very bad results -- virtually every line fails lint. I have never found a Forth in C worth fooling with. The problems have been: 1. The Interpretter is very slow -- it goes from about 8 instructions (Z-80) ending with a jump to a subroutine call in a loop (with all the subroutine call overhead), and the registers cannot be globally assigned. Figure an overall 10x speed loss. 2. No implementation I have ever found has compiled on any machine other than that for which it was originally written. 3. They were all done as experiments (can Forth be written in C?) and as such tend to be incomplete. Tom Almy toma@tekgvs.tek.com (Usual disclaimer applies) 15-Jul-87 11:26:01-MDT,1059;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from wsmr02.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Jul 87 11:25:51 MDT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 87 11:18:15 MDT From: Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AS 678-1376 Subject: C128 + 1581 To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I recently patched the 6DEC85 CP/M+ operating system to support 800K on the new 1581 disk drive (incidently, they are now available and selling for about $210 - less than a 1571). This was necessary, since they are shipped without a new version of CP/M. There is a card to order it from Commodore for $20, but it ain't ready yet. In case your're interested, I basically patched the portion of CXDISK.ASM which sets up TYPE2 disks. Change the 40 to 80 and 79 to 159. Then fill in an appropriate empty slot in the drive definition tables. I used 4K allocation blocks, and 1K physical blocks (it's necessary to format the disks in Commodore BASIC before booting CP/M). If you need further help, send mail, but I'll be unavailable for about three weeks. Ray Carter 15-Jul-87 21:14:37-MDT,995;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ncsc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Jul 87 21:14:29 MDT Received: by ncsc.ARPA id AA24748; Wed, 15 Jul 87 22:12:44 CDT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 87 22:12:44 CDT From: jdb@ncsc.ARPA (Brown) Message-Id: <8707160312.AA24748@ncsc.ARPA> To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa, super.upenn.edu!linc.cis.upenn.edu!sherin@RUTGERS.EDU Subject: Re: Decompression / IMP / MEX The program you need both for unix and cp/m is called 'uncr'. The unix version is in pd: (I think thats the right name after the 'dot' it may be something like .lbr-arc or .arc-lbr, etc.) Also it probably is 'uncrNN.c' where NN is the current version number. The cp/m version is in pd:. There is a 'uncr-z80.com' and '.hex' and a 'uncr8080.com' and '.hex' for z80's and 8080's respectively. If you have trouble finding the unix version, let meknow and I will look it up. Don't have the info handy right now. david brown jdb@ncsc 15-Jul-87 21:26:02-MDT,1416;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Jul 87 21:25:50 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA10650; Wed, 15 Jul 87 20:23:09 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Jul 87 21:39:54 GMT From: pyramid!bigbang!crash!mwilson@decwrl.dec.com (Marc Wilson) Organization: Grossmont College, El Cajon, Ca. Subject: Re: cpmForth Message-Id: <1390@crash.CTS.COM> References: <1251@dicome.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <1251@dicome.UUCP> martino@dicome.UUCP (Mark Martino) writes: >Someone mentioned that there is a version of Forth written in C and it's >available in one of the CP/M sig libraries. Has anyone else heard of this? >Do you know how I can get a copy of it? Thanks. I, too, would like to see any information regarding this. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ( mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ) ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc UUCP: [ akgua | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 15-Jul-87 21:26:48-MDT,2531;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 15 Jul 87 21:26:32 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA10629; Wed, 15 Jul 87 20:22:24 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Jul 87 21:37:08 GMT From: pyramid!bigbang!crash!mwilson@decwrl.dec.com (Marc Wilson) Organization: Grossmont College, El Cajon, Ca. Subject: Re: Decompression / IMP / MEX Message-Id: <1389@crash.CTS.COM> References: <1456@super.upenn.edu.upenn.edu> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa ( My apologies to the net, but all attempts to mail direct have bounced ) In article <1456@super.upenn.edu.upenn.edu> sherin@linc.cis.upenn.edu.UUCP (Steve Sherin) writes: >I think I found the Avatex overlay for IMP at simtel20. There is no "Avatex" overlay for IMP. Any overlay must be MACHINE- specific, not modem specific. The Avatex will work fine with IMP's dialing routine. Your only problem is/will be the return codes from the modem. IMP will try to initialize the Avatex for numeric response codes... and there aren't any. Find a copy of I2VB-2.ASM. This is a overlay that will adapt IMP to use either verbose ( the words like "NO CARRIER" ), and the numeric codes. Edit it to match what you need, and assemble. Add it *after* your machine overlay. >It's now stuffed into my directory on an Ultrix machine. >The file is called I2AV-1.AZM.1. This is a overlay for some machine, not the Avatex. >Which program do I use to unsqueeze this? This is a CRUNCHed file. Find a copy of CRUNCH23.LBR on a local RCP/M. In it is a program called UNCR.COM. Its use should be obvious. You should be able to get the same program for UN*X from SIMTEL20. I don't know the filename. > >Thanks, >Steve Sherin >U of P > >ARPA: > sherin@linc.cis.upenn.edu ^ |_ ( this address bounces, do you have another? ) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ( mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ) ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc UUCP: [ akgua | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 16-Jul-87 14:13:19-MDT,1317;000000000000 Return-Path: <@po5.andrew.cmu.edu:sw0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 16 Jul 87 14:13:03 MDT Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-cpm@simtel20.arpa; Thu, 16 Jul 87 16:16:00 EDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 16 Jul 87 16:15:58 edt Received: FROM middlesex VIA qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Jul 87 16:15:02 edt Received: FROM middlesex VIA qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Jul 87 16:14:55 edt Received: from middlesex by MS.3.35 via sun3; Thu, 16 Jul 87 16:14:53 edt Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 87 16:14:53 edt From: sw0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Wadlow) To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: Re: cpmForth In-Reply-To: <2453@tekgvs.TEK.COM> Pistol: Portably Implemented Stack Oriented Language. It is a forth like language. Kind of useful, and amusing to play with. Another similar language is STOIC (sorry, I don't recall what it stands for). There are a number of Forths available for CP/M, but I don't know if any are implemented in C. Steve Wadlow Pittsburgh SuperComputing Center Wadlow@morgul.psc.edu Wadlow@CPWPSCA.BITnet 18-Jul-87 00:00:23-MDT,3343;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from nmfecc.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 18 Jul 87 00:00:13 MDT Received: from oak.sainet.mfenet by ccx.mfenet with Tell via MfeNet ; Fri, 17 Jul 87 21:11:55 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 87 21:11:55 PDT From: SECRIST%OAK.SAINET.MFENET@nmfecc.arpa Message-Id: <870717211155.029@nmfecc.arpa> To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.Arpa From: SECRIST%OAK.SAINET.MFENET@nmfecc.arpa (Richard C. Secrist) To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.Arpa Subject: CP/M Forths (and C, et al.) Date: Sat, 18-JUL-1987 00:14 EST Header-Disclaimer: I don't like my headers either ! X-VMS-Mail-To: CPM,SECRIST > In article <1251@dicome.UUCP> martino@dicome.UUCP (Mark Martino) > writes: >Someone mentioned that there is a version of Forth written in > C and it's >available in one of the CP/M sig libraries. Has anyone > else heard of this? >Do you know how I can get a copy of it? Thanks. Maybe I missed out on this thread but if you really just want PD Forth under CP/M you can get lots of help - there are several fine system in the PD (Laxen & Perry F83, Uniforth Sampler) and other useful Forths (8080 and Z80 figs, MVP Forth-79...) > Well, there is "pistol". This program compiles only under BDS C. I > tried porting it to other environments with very bad results -- > virtually every line fails lint. There is also one floating around allegedly from a UNIX system that is even worse than porting BDS: you need YACC and LEX to boot up the screen file. It might be worth trying to compile on a UNIX system - it would be a lousy performer though as Tom points out below. Has anybody ported the Pascal version of PISTOL anywhere ? It's DEC-20 Pascal and when I tried to do a minor hack for VAX/VMS Pascal I gave up. > I have never found a Forth in C worth fooling with. I saw a system called "SIXTH" on the East and West coast Forth boards in Lattice for a PC that had promise: only problem was it's core dictionary source WORDS.C has a bad checksum coming out of the ARC. If anybody has a copy of this please ship it my way and I'll ship any fruitful efforts back. Another alternative also from the boards is a small Forth-like language called MOUSE. Peter Grogono gave Pascal source for that too, but it doesn't port to VMS yet either... I'm not much for Pascal so I don't push hard. The Z80 source works fine under CP/M-80 though and it compiles down into 2K. Nice ! I can upload or FTP it someplace if there is interest. > The problems have been: > > 1. The Interpretter is very slow -- it goes from about 8 instructions > (Z-80) ending with a jump to a subroutine call in a loop (with all the > subroutine call overhead), and the registers cannot be globally > assigned. Figure an overall 10x speed loss. > > 2. No implementation I have ever found has compiled on any machine other > than that for which it was originally written. > > 3. They were all done as experiments (can Forth be written in C?) and as > such tend to be incomplete. > > Tom Almy > toma@tekgvs.tek.com > (Usual disclaimer applies) Have you experimented with Forth-like usages in any other HLLs ?! rcs 18-Jul-87 01:08:32-MDT,1152;000000000000 Return-Path: <@RELAY.CS.NET:kenw%noah.arc.cdn@UBC.CSNET> Received: from RELAY.CS.NET by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 18 Jul 87 01:08:26 MDT Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id ab04670; 17 Jul 87 19:57 EDT Received: from ubc by RELAY.CS.NET id aa10621; 17 Jul 87 19:49 EDT Received: by ubc.csnet id AA05574; Fri, 17 Jul 87 16:36:14 pdt Date: 17 Jul 87 8:37 -0800 From: Ken Wallewein To: info-cpm-request@SIMTEL20.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA In-Reply-To: <2453@tekgvs.TEK.COM> Message-Id: <638*kenw@noah.arc.cdn> References: <1251@dicome.UUCP> Subject: Re: cpmForth If you just want CPM Forth, there is definitely a very good F83 Forth available from SIGM. I can't remember the exact volume number - I think it's in the low 200's. It's not deluxe (no floating point, no full-screen debugger), but more than adequate to get to know the language and build upon, and quite quick. I used it to write a turtle graphics vocabulary for ascii terminals for my kids to play with. (Try writing sines and cosines without floating point :-). If you want more info, holler. /kenw 18-Jul-87 09:00:33-MDT,1247;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from OZ.AI.MIT.EDU (MC.LCS.MIT.EDU.#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 18 Jul 87 09:00:24 MDT Date: Sat 18 Jul 87 11:00:38-EDT From: "Mark Becker" Subject: Xebec S-100 host adapter information request To: Info-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12319359091.21.CENT.MBECK@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Hello - Is anyone using Xebec's S100-to-SASI host adapter with a 1410 controller? I have one in front of me and would love to get it running.. but the adapter has had a bunch of wires added, several traces cut, and I have no idea what options were wired in. Also, there are several jumper pads on the board which are not mentioned in the meager documentation and I hesitate plugging this thing in without more information. I have a diskette with Xebec's "plug-and-go" installation software and some READ.ME-type files but none of them discuss board jumpers. This is a Rev. 07 board and appears to be the non-DMA version. Which brings up another point: How tough would it be to install the additional chips and hardware to turn it into the DMA version? Your help is appreciated - Mark ------- 18-Jul-87 14:22:45-MDT,2734;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 18-Jul-87 14:22:34 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1987 14:22 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Quick reference list to SIMTEL20 CP/M subdirectory names As part of a directory reoganization project, several of SIMTEL20's PD: subdirectories have been renamed. Here is a quick reference list to the subdirectory names. This file is available as PD:MSDOS.DIRLST. It is updated periodically as new subdirectories are added or old ones renamed. The PD archives at SIMTEL20 are still accessable to Internet users via standard anonymous FTP. The netmail archive server is no longer in service due to disk space limitations and system load. Quick reference list to SIMTEL20's PD: directories as of July 18, 1987 (where 'x' is one of the names below): 22RSX CATLOG FAST2 MODEM SORT 6502 CB80 FILCPY MODEM2 SPELL AMETHYST CBIOS FILEDOCS MODEM7 SPREADSHEET APPLE CCP FILUTL MODULA2 SQUSQ ARC-LBR CIS FINANCE MSOFT STARTER-KIT ASMUTL COBOL FORTH-83 NEWS SUBMIT ATARI COMAL FORTRAN NSTAR SYSUTL AZTEC-C COMND GENASM NUBYE TERM BASIC CPM3 GENCOM OSBORN TRS-80 BBS CPM68K GENDOC PACKET TURBODOS BBSLISTS CPM86 GENIE PARASOL TURBODOS-SIGI BDOS CPMINFO GRAPHICS PASCAL TURBOM2 BDSC-1 CPR86 HAMMING PASCAL-P TURBOPAS BDSC-2 CUG HAMRADIO PBBS TXTUTL BDSC-3 DATABASE HDUTL PILOT80 VDOEDIT BDSC-4 DBASEII HEATH PLOT33 VOICE BENCHMARK DEBUG HELP PM-NETWORK WSTAR BKGROUNDER DIRUTL HEX PPSPEL XCCP BONDWELL DISASM IMP PROLOG XEROX BSR-X10 DISKPLOT INSIDCPM PUBKEY XLISP BSTAM DRACO KAYPRO PUBPATCH XMODEM BYE3 DSKBUF LIST RBBS Z280 BYE5 DSKUTL MACLIB RBBS4 Z8EDEBUG C EDITC80 MATH RCPM ZCPR C128 EDITOR MBBS ROS ZCPR2 C64 EDUCATION MEMTEST SB180 ZCPR3 C80 EMX MEX SCREENGEN ZCPR33 CALCULATOR EPSON MISC SMALLC21 18-Jul-87 23:57:10-MDT,843;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 18-Jul-87 23:57:03 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1987 23:57 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Quick reference list to SIMTEL20 CP/M subdirectory names As part of a directory reoganization project, several of SIMTEL20's PD: subdirectories have been renamed. Here is a quick reference list to the subdirectory names. This file is available as PD:MSDOS.DIRLST. It is updated periodically as new ^^^^^-> I meant CPM.DIRLST (embarrased look :-/ subdirectories are added or old ones renamed. Sorry about that. I reused part of a message I had just sent out about the MSDOS subdirectories which I also maintain. --Keith 20-Jul-87 00:05:07-MDT,1054;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 20 Jul 87 00:05:02 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA06092; Sun, 19 Jul 87 22:37:11 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 20 Jul 87 03:06:14 GMT From: ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Joseph D. Loda) Organization: Analysts International Corp; Chicago Branch Subject: MEX phone directory Message-Id: <962@aicchi.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Some time ago, someone posted the information necessary to get MEX (1.14) to allow a '*' in the phone directory or CALL sequence. Unfortunately, I misplaced this information. Thanks, Joe. -- Joe Loda Analysts International (Chicago Branch) Usenet: ..!ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda CIS: 75726,1641 BIX: jloda GEnie: j.loda 20-Jul-87 08:48:34-MDT,1853;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.COM by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 20 Jul 87 08:48:23 MDT Received: from Burger.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 20 JUL 87 07:47:42 PDT Sender: "Cheryl_L._Chapman.ESM8"@Xerox.COM Date: 20 Jul 87 07:13:41 PDT (Monday) Subject: What personal computers are in Europe? in Isreal? From: Chapman.ESM8@Xerox.COM To: Info-cpm@SIMTEL20.Arpa cc: Chapman.ESM8@Xerox.COM Message-ID: <870720-074742-1198@Xerox> [If you know of other dls which this message could be sent to, please send me the addresses. I'd ask you to forward, but I don't want several copies to go to the same dl because several people helpfully pass it on. Thank you.] A friend of mine will be going to England and Isreal for a month and a half around Christmas time. He does software development on an IBM PC using dBase III+. He would like to explore the possibilities of marketing his services in Europe (England particularly) and Israel. So I'd appreciate any answers to the following questions, for Europe, in general, England, in particular, and for Israel: 1. What computers are most common? Are they IBM PC compatible? 2. What operating systems are most common? Are they MS-DOS/PC-DOS compatible? CP/M compatible? Can dBase III+ run under the operating system? dBase II (he also has lots of experience with that)? 3. How common are personal computers? Who has them? Are they used for business use only? Personal use? Both? 4. Is there likely to be a market for small business software for handling customer and vendor bases, inventory, ordering, invoicing, etc? What will the market bear, price-wise? Must the price be under $100? $200-500? Will a package that costs over $1500 sell? I appreciate any comments you may have. Thank you, Cheryl 22-Jul-87 10:30:31-MDT,2490;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from EDDIE.MIT.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 22 Jul 87 10:30:12 MDT Received: by EDDIE.MIT.EDU with UUCP with smail2.3 with sendmail-5.45/4.7 id ; Wed, 22 Jul 87 11:41:04 EDT Received: by primerd.prime.com (3.2/SMI-3.0DEV3/smail) id AA05113; Wed, 22 Jul 87 11:30:38 EDT Message-Id: <8707221530.AA05113@primerd.prime.com> Received: from S34.Prime.PDN by ENX.Prime.PDN; 22 Jul 87 10:03:34 EST Received: (from user ELLIOT) by S34.Prime.PDN; 22 Jul 87 10:01:11 EDT To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: primerd!S34!ELLIOT@EDDIE.MIT.EDU Date: 22 Jul 87 10:01:11 EDT To: (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) From: Elliot Mednick Date: 22 Jul 87 9:36 AM Subject: Sector crashes on double density driver for Xerox 820 I have a package from Software Publishers Inc. of Arlignton Texas which converts the 8" floppies of my Xerox 820 from single density to one of seven formats of double density. The version I have is dated 15 March 1982. The problem is that occasionally and inconsistantly, sectors are wiped out during a write. Of course, I don't know this until I try to read them (BIOS error...). I believe that the hardware headers are wiped out and that the controller cannot read the sector (DU can't read the bad sectors). This happens even when writing one sector at time during a Kermit as well as during extracting and unsqeezing files. It seems to happen less often when I use a less dense format and never when I revert to signle density. I don't remember this ever working consistently. My question, then, is this: Does anyone know if this can possibly be tied to a bad release of the BIOS or the controller hardware where an update would fix the problem (and if so, does this company still exist; there are no sources for the BIOS - I can't see that software could do this kind of damage)? Or is this a media problem (I've been using Sony SSDD, though they may be old). Or are my drives out of alignment or dirty (I've cleaned the heads; the freqency of error is apparently the same on both of my drives)? Is there anybody out there with this kind of experience? Should I just give up and invest in a hard disk (any ST506 controllers out there for the 820)? Thanks in advance, Elliot Mednick Prime Computer, Inc. 617-879-2960 x3608 elliot@s34.prime.com (arpa) ...mit-eddie!primerd!s34.prime.com!elliot (uucp) 22-Jul-87 21:07:33-MDT,2154;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 22 Jul 87 21:07:12 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA14107; Wed, 22 Jul 87 19:39:54 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jul 87 22:50:42 GMT From: ucsdhub!jack!dsi480!dtr@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (DTR) Organization: Digital Source, Inc., San Diego, CA. Subject: CORVUS DISK Salvage Message-Id: <274@dsi480.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Some of you may remember this request from a month or so ago. Unfortunately, a problem that I thought was dead has resurfaced... I have a client running a Dec Rainbow out to a 20 MB Corvus hard disk that was being backed up via a Mirror system to a VHS VCR. A while ago the disk started to go soft, and was cleaned (on the strength of 3 extant back ups) to give the diagnostics a chance to isolate the bad sectors. Once the disk had been cleared and the tracks locked out it was time to restore the data and that is when the fun started. The backups (all *3* of them) refused to resore properly and the system just hung. After confirming that the tapes did have data on them ( it sure wasn't Gone With the Wind :-} ) we began to swap various and sundry pieces of the lash up to try and isolate the problem and finally restore the data. It eventually became clear that the problem was neither the Rainbow, the Corvus, the controller or the Mirror Card, but (apparently) the copy of the mirror utilities themselves. Corvus is attempting to deny that they have ever even seen a CP/M system and soft-peddling the fact that a back-up is sight specific ( I can read mine but not yours, due to level/alignment/driver-design problems). SO...what I need at this point is a reliable copy of the Mirror utilities and/or any suggestions as to how I can extract myself from this never-ending disaster... Thanks in advance.... Jack (..!man!dsi480!dtr) 22-Jul-87 23:44:19-MDT,1240;000000000000 Mail-From: WANCHO created at 22-Jul-87 23:44:11 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1987 23:44 MDT Message-ID: From: "Frank J. Wancho" To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: No-slot clocks There are now at least three sources for "no-slot" clocks, the cheapest of which is from Radio Shack on sale for $39.95. The problem is that the software that comes with it is an executable for MSDOS. There is no source and no technical documentation on how to program it under some other environment, such as CP/M. Short of writing Radio Shack directly, does anyone have the necessary info to make it work under CP/M? *Can* it work under CP/M, or does it take advantage of some MSDOS peculiarity? For those unfamiliar with these no-slot clocks (probably somebody's trademark), it is a clock/calendar chip and a lithium battery wedged into the cavity of a PROM socket and meant to be sandwiched between an existing ROM and its socket, or simply plugged into any empty 28-pin ROM socket you may have available. Seems to simple to be true...considering that I have a whole S-100 card devoted to apparently the same function... --Frank 23-Jul-87 03:11:06-MDT,3938;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 23 Jul 87 03:10:56 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA19787; Thu, 23 Jul 87 01:40:43 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 23 Jul 87 05:37:14 GMT From: poisson.usc.edu!mlinar@OBERON.USC.EDU (Mitch Mlinar) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles Subject: Re: (none) Message-Id: <3585@oberon.USC.EDU> References: <8707221530.AA05113@primerd.prime.com> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <8707221530.AA05113@primerd.prime.com> ELLIOT@S34.UUCP writes: > >I have a package from Software Publishers Inc. of Arlignton Texas which >converts the 8" floppies of my Xerox 820 from single density to one of seven >formats of double density. The version I have is dated 15 March 1982. The >problem is that occasionally and inconsistantly, sectors are wiped out during a >write. Of course, I don't know this until I try to read them (BIOS error...). >I believe that the hardware headers are wiped out and that the controller >cannot read the sector (DU can't read the bad sectors). This happens even when Well, you hit jackpot! I, and about 12 other people I know, all have SWP on at least one system (2 for me). And guess what - no problems to speak of. There ARE drives that do not work well with it, among them are Mitsibushi and Remex. Shugarts and Panasonic work the best, although even Tandons do fine. 15 Mar 82 was the last version of ANYTHING by SWP: they are still in business with a 68000 multi-user system and no longer sell or support the SWP cards. The "guru" who invented the whole thing sold off and left, and Z-80 is some archaic buzz-word from the past for the current crew.... > >My question, then, is this: Does anyone know if this can possibly be tied to a >bad release of the BIOS or the controller hardware where an update would fix >the problem (and if so, does this company still exist; there are no sources for >the BIOS - I can't see that software could do this kind of damage)? Or is >this a media problem (I've been using Sony SSDD, though they may be old). Or >are my drives out of alignment or dirty (I've cleaned the heads; the SWP does not sell source, but MicroCode Consulting sells a BIOS for SWP with their QP/M package: source for the BIOS is included (as well as the monitor). A distributor is (still?) Emerald Microware (503) 641-0347. The guy there is also quite knowledgable about drives and also has hard disk upgrades which plug into the Z80 slot and, through a Western Digital card, talk to up to 2 hard drives of 64M each. (I have only 20M on mine, which is plenty; there is no hard drive on the other ... sigh.) My first guess would have been hardware, although the code COULD be damaged. However, if that was really the case, then ANY density should fail rather than getting better as less (density) stress is applied to the disk. Don't forget, this sucker is humping along at 2.5MHz and there is NO room for error. It does not take much to miss the 1st sector with such a slow Z80 rate... Another problem could be the floppies you are using; although 5.25 stuff is very forgiving at double density (even if not marked), at least on this package, poor 8" floppies show the same lousy symptoms discussed. I use strictly Maxell or IBM or Dysan (Xerox and BASF do not work well). They must be certified double-density - I swear that controller reads the bloody label and refuses to work error-free when it sees a single-density disk while writing at double-density!!! Hope this helps. Let me know how this comes out. It is a really nice system for vintage CP/M. -Mitch 23-Jul-87 06:38:10-MDT,626;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 23-Jul-87 06:37:59 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1987 06:37 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: "Frank J. Wancho" Cc: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: No-slot clocks In-reply-to: Msg of 22 Jul 1987 23:44-MDT from Frank J. Wancho Funny you should ask about no-slot clocks. I just uploaded a program to read and set the no-slot clock. It's in: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: NO-SLOT.LBR.1 BINARY 15744 58A7H --Keith 23-Jul-87 19:27:21-MDT,849;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 23-Jul-87 19:27:15 Date: Thursday, 23 July 1987 08:57-MDT Message-ID: Sender: Frank Bateman USAEPG From: Frank Bateman USAEPG To: info-cpm-request@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: CP/M magazines ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm ReSent-Date: Thu 23 Jul 1987 19:27-MDT In a 6 July message to the net, Jon Mandrell asked for CP/M magazine recommendations. I'll recommend PROFILES, the KayPro users magazine. Although it does have MS-DOS stuff in it, it continues to have lots of good CP/M info. Back issues are available and are heavily CP/M oriented. Address is: PROFILES P. O. Box 2889 Del Mar, CA 92014 I thinks it's a good deal at $25 for 12 issues. Usual disclaimers... Frank 24-Jul-87 09:19:57-MDT,549;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.COM by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 24 Jul 87 09:19:29 MDT Received: from CheninBlanc.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 24 JUL 87 08:18:57 PDT Date: 24 Jul 87 08:18:52 PDT (Friday) From: TReed.ES@Xerox.COM Subject: SUPRBDOS on an Xerox 820-II To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: TReed.ES@Xerox.COM Message-ID: <870724-081857-2456@Xerox> Is there anyone out there in CPM land that has SUPRBDOS running on a Xerox 820-II with a Low Profile keyboard. I have tried but to no avail. --Terry Reed 24-Jul-87 11:51:59-MDT,1025;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 24 Jul 87 11:51:35 MDT Received: from decuac.UUCP by seismo.CSS.GOV (5.54/1.14) with UUCP id AA06740; Fri, 24 Jul 87 13:50:39 EDT Received: by decuac.dec.com (1.2/smail2.2/03-11-87) id AA08900; Fri, 24 Jul 87 11:14:17 edt Message-Id: <8707241514.AA08900@decuac.dec.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 87 11:14:17 edt From: binder@fizbin.dec.com (A few frilly words... 24-Jul-1987 1113) To: infocpm@decuac.dec.com Subject: XMODEM for DEC VT180 ?? I have a friend who has a DEC VT180. I'd like to interchange some software with him, but he doesn't have either Kermit or XMODEM. I've got XMODEM - that means my friend needs a copy of it on a VT180 diskette. Any offers? I'll gladly work out the shipping. Thanks, Dick Binder (The Stainless Steel Rat) DEC Enet: FIZBIN::BINDER UUCP: { decvax, allegra, ucbvax... }!decwrl!fizbin.dec.com!binder ARPA: binder%fizbin.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM 25-Jul-87 11:38:14-MDT,1769;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 25 Jul 87 11:38:05 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA12546; Sat, 25 Jul 87 10:21:45 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 24 Jul 87 17:06:33 GMT From: tektronix!reed!percival!gary@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Wells) Organization: Percy's UNIX, Portland, OR. Subject: Re: No-slot clocks Message-Id: <810@percival.UUCP> References: Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Carefull on those no slot clocks! They should work ok on any type of system, but not all NSC's are accessed equally. We evaluated a couple of different brands here. Brand A: Waited & monitored all accesses to its memory location, looking for a specific sequence of bytes. When the "attention" sequence was detected, the next set of bytes was intercepted & taken to be set/read commands. This is probably OK, as long as you are POSITIVE that there will be no interrupts during the time you are trying to access the clock (we were positive that there would be) Brand B: Was actually a 2K x 8 RAM. This replaced your existing 2K x 8 device, was accessed and used just like normal RAM, except that the top 16 bytes ALWAYS contained the time/date info. So check your specs sheets BEFORE you buy one of these beasts. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wudda yeah mean, I'm gonna get in trouble? I AM in trouble! ...tektronix!reed!percival!gary 27-Jul-87 11:09:38-MDT,926;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.EDU:PFENNIGE@cgeuge51.bitnet> Received: from AMSAA-SEER.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Jul 87 11:09:09 MDT Received: from WISCVM.WISC.EDU by AMSAA-SEER.AMSAA-SEER.ARPA id aa11189; 27 Jul 87 6:39 EDT Received: from CGEUGE51.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Mon, 27 Jul 87 05:38:43 CDT Date: 27 JUL 87 12:44-N From: PFENNIGE%CGEUGE51.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.EDU To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA-SEER.ARPA Subj: ANYCODE3 on C-128? Message-ID: <8707270639.aa11189@AMSAA-SEER.AMSAA-SEER.ARPA> Hi. Has anyone tried, successfully or otherwise to implement ANYCODE3 (the program that allows you to access the printer codes directly from WSTAR) on a Commodore C-128 with CP/M 3.0? The version of Wordstar is 3.0. I would like to hear if anyboby has tried this.... Brian Jarvis Observatoire de Geneve Sauverny Switzerland (where the latest hijack ended!) e-mail: PFENNIGER@CGEUGR51.BITNET 27-Jul-87 12:42:29-MDT,1953;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Jul 87 12:41:57 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA13675; Mon, 27 Jul 87 10:42:56 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 27 Jul 87 15:12:29 GMT From: kodak!gardner@cs.rochester.edu (dick gardner) Organization: Eastman Kodak Co, Rochester, NY Subject: Re: No-slot clocks Message-Id: <888@kodak.UUCP> References: Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA ("Frank J. Wancho") writes: > > There are now at least three sources for "no-slot" clocks, the >cheapest of which is from Radio Shack on sale for $39.95. The problem >is that the software that comes with it is an executable for MSDOS. >There is no source and no technical documentation on how to program it >under some other environment, such as CP/M. I'm not familiar with the RS version of this device, but I have used the Dallas Semiconductor (DS1200) with success. I had it working with an 8051 as the CPU, so a Z-80 shouldn't be any trouble. I can supply a listing of my code if that is helpful. Also there was an article in Byte by Steve Ciarcia using the 8052-Basic chip. Contact me via email for further info. =#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# Dick Gardner -- Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, New York 14650 Phone: (716) 477-1002 UUCP: {allegra,seismo}!rochester!kodak!gardner "Research is what I do when I don't know what I'm doing" (thanks, Wherner) =#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# 27-Jul-87 15:00:46-MDT,870;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from decwrl.dec.com by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Jul 87 15:00:39 MDT Received: from rhea.dec.com by decwrl.dec.com (5.54.4/4.7.34) id AA19130; Sun, 26 Jul 87 14:47:53 PDT Message-Id: <8707262147.AA19130@decwrl.dec.com> Date: 26-Jul-1987 1743 From: w_smith%wookie.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Willie Smith, LTN Components Eng.) To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: Technical Design Labs VDB? I just bought a Technical Design Labs Video Display Board at a hamfest, but it came without documentation. Does anyone know what the various switches and jumpers do, how it is mapped (I/O or memory) and what the software algorythm is to talk to it? Many thanks in advance! Willie Smith w_smith@wookie.dec.com w_smith%wookie.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com {USENET backbone}!decwrl!wookie.dec.com!w_smith 27-Jul-87 15:02:05-MDT,1455;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from decwrl.dec.com by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Jul 87 15:01:17 MDT Received: from rhea.dec.com by decwrl.dec.com (5.54.4/4.7.34) id AA19078; Sun, 26 Jul 87 14:40:22 PDT Message-Id: <8707262140.AA19078@decwrl.dec.com> Date: 26-Jul-1987 1733 From: w_smith%wookie.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Willie Smith, LTN Components Eng.) To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: re: IBAK Patch? "D-ROGERS@EDWARDS-2060.ARPA" writes: > Does the creator of pd:[cpm.hdutil]IBACK.LBR read this group? >I need help. I would like a patchpoint to get IBAK to copy ALL files >instead of just the most recently changed - can this be done? >Thanks, [dale] I've been using IBAK for about 6 months now, and have had no problems with it. As far as I can determine, it already _does_ copy all files, and can't tell 'most recently changed'. One thing to be careful of, is that you can back up R/O files, but when you attempt to restore them, things blow up. I've also had problems trying to backup the entire contents of one hard disk to a partition of another (I'm sure it will all fit). How many other users of IBAK are there out there? It's saved me probably 6 hours a month in backup time, (not to speak of floppies saved) for my monthly image backups. Willie Smith w_smith@wookie.dec.com w_smith%wookie.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com {USENET backbone}!decwrl!wookie.dec.com!w_smith 27-Jul-87 15:03:19-MDT,2842;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from decwrl.dec.com by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Jul 87 15:03:04 MDT Received: from rhea.dec.com by decwrl.dec.com (5.54.4/4.7.34) id AA19013; Sun, 26 Jul 87 14:33:23 PDT Message-Id: <8707262133.AA19013@decwrl.dec.com> Date: 26-Jul-1987 1732 From: w_smith%wookie.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Willie Smith, LTN Components Eng.) To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: S-100 memory revisited Network Mail received on 29-Jun-87 at 21:53 From: RHEA::DECWRL:: To: w_smith%wookie.dec.com@decwrl Subject: S100 memory Received: from DECWRL by DEC-RHEA with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jun 87 18:43-PDT Received: by decwrl.dec.com (5.54.3/4.7.34) id AA03620; Mon, 29 Jun 87 18:43:13 PDT Received: by pyramid.UUCP (5.51/OSx4.0b-870424) id AA19732; Mon, 29 Jun 87 18:16:40 PDT Received: by vixie.UUCP (5.51++/smail2.3/02-18-87) id AA01542; Mon, 29 Jun 87 17:53:39 PDT Date: Mon, 29 Jun 87 17:53:39 PDT Message-Id: <8706300053.AA01542@vixie.UUCP> In response to my previous note about S-100 memory, "paul@vixie.UUCP" "Paul Vixie Esq" replied (vai mail): [Paul, my mailer did not generate a sane reply adress, sorry.] >I don't want your VRAM, sorry :-(. I want real, live, 10+ Mhz no-wait-state >memory for my S100 system, several megabytes of it. I can get 2Mb of IBM-PC >memory for about $400, but I don't have (and will never have) an IBM-PC. For >the S100, a single megabyte of memory is in the $1200 range, which is way too >much. I know that the PC memory company will sell thousands of times more in >quantity, but the product is so similar that I have a real hard time planning >to pay three times as much for the S100 layout. > >So, where do YOU buy S100 memory? Paul, I dunno about 10+ MHz, but a friend found 2M memory boards in a HUG (Heath Users Group) magazine for $549 assembled or $300 without memory chips. You could probably add your own memory chips if you needed higher speeds than it does. Part of the price differential is that IBM PC memory is dynamic and S-100 memory (the good stuff anyway) is static. Just check out the prices for the static rams (chips only) sometime.... I'll probably be getting one of these boards when my budget recouperates from my ADIT purchase, so I can have a 2M RAM disk for my SYSTEM: device, though any other suggestions are welcome. I'll get you the name and number of the company above if you are interested. Willie Smith w_smith@wookie.dec.com w_smith%wookie.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com Does anyone else have any preferences for S-100 memory? I think I'd like to stick with static, too, but that tends to get expensive. I'm going to need at least 2M of RAM disk, using Macrotech VRAM boards would be around $3200, a bit out of my price range.... :+) 27-Jul-87 15:10:41-MDT,2633;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from decwrl.dec.com by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Jul 87 15:10:06 MDT Received: from rhea.dec.com by decwrl.dec.com (5.54.4/4.7.34) id AA19639; Sun, 26 Jul 87 15:15:18 PDT Message-Id: <8707262215.AA19639@decwrl.dec.com> Date: 26-Jul-1987 1747 From: w_smith%wookie.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Willie Smith, LTN Components Eng.) To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: Macrotech ADIT board I'd really like to hear from other users of the Macrotech ADIT board as to how they like it and if they have found any of the following 'gotcha's: 1) While you can set the baud rates all the way up to 38.4K, the maximum output rate (in chars/sec) is around 1200 CPS. The input won't overrun at 19.2K, but the input rate seems to be limited to around 1800 CPS. 2) Using the board in interrupt mode takes about 75 percent _longer_ than polling it continuously. Any interrupt latency would be added to this number. 3) When the board is set up for 'input' flow control (such that it will send XOFF when it wants the terminal to stop sending) the automatic chaining of input buffers is disabled and you are stuck with a 28 byte input buffer. 4) The M-channel and V-channel are _slow_slow_slow_. I rewrote my hard disk cache and RAM disk software to take advantage of these powerful new features and my machine ran half as fast as it did before. 5) (I haven't tried this yet, but it's in the manual). When you send XOFF (assuming 'output' flow control is enabled) the board will stop transmitting. When you send _anything_else_ it will resume transmission. This means you can't have the output stopped and still have input typeahead. It's been somewhat discouraging to pay $1100+ (discount) for a board with 16 I/O ports, onboard intelligence, and lots of neat features only to have it produce a negative impact on the speed of my system. Yes my system does several things that it couldn't do before, but the most frequent things (program source editing) I do are noticably slower. I am working with the manufacturer to try to resolve some of these difficulties, and I'll post the results, but it's almost to the point where I'm seriously considering building my own custom EPROM to replace the onboard firmware. Anyway, if anyone is using one of these boards, I'd really like to hear some discussion of the pros and cons of it, and any other misfeatures I may have missed. Willie Smith w_smith@wookie.dec.com w_smith&wookie.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com {USENET backbone}!decwrl!wookie.dec.com!w_smith 27-Jul-87 16:27:28-MDT,1010;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.COM by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Jul 87 16:27:01 MDT Received: from CheninBlanc.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 27 JUL 87 15:26:31 PDT Date: 27 Jul 87 15:26:25 PDT (Monday) From: TReed.ES@Xerox.COM Subject: No-slot clocks To: WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <870727-152631-1053@Xerox> Frank: What specific Radio Shack store has the No-slot clock. The two stores in my local area (Corona California [Riverside County]) do not have them. They give me a blank look when I ask about them. Their responce is, "if it's in our catalog we can get it for you, if it's not, we can't". I even suggested they call their head office to ask about them and they came back again with the above responce about the catalog. Where is Radio Shacks head office? Perhaps I could call them myself. What are some other sources? How is that the No-slot clock address does not interfear with a ROM at possibly the same address? --Terry Reed 27-Jul-87 20:53:05-MDT,572;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from DOCKMASTER.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 27 Jul 87 20:52:59 MDT Date: Mon, 27 Jul 87 22:51 EDT From: AELevy@DOCKMASTER.ARPA Subject: zcpr3 (or newer) &gs To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <870728025154.878599@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> Is there a zcpr3x for the gs (not upgraded iie so starcard doesn't fit). The only cpm card is the new (green led) ae card, support for gs ram or 3 1/2 would be nice. AE supports it in their amdos but I do not think there is a zcpr3 for it. Regards, Allan 28-Jul-87 01:09:32-MDT,1418;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 28 Jul 87 01:09:25 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA26848; Mon, 27 Jul 87 23:44:28 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 27 Jul 87 16:58:03 GMT From: steved@athena.mit.edu (Steve Dum) Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Subject: Buying C-64's Message-Id: <1486@athena.TEK.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I am supposed to by two C-64's for a local school (actually computer, disk and monitor). Anyone care to offer recommendations about where to get a good price? Which mail order houses are good, or more importantly which you have had bad experiences with. Montgomery Grant, in New York has a C-64,1541, color printer and 12"monitor for $370. I realize that both the computer and disk are obsolete, but they happen to be compatible with the rest of the systems that the school has. Please send responses to me rather than posting it all. Stephen Dum (503)-629-1146 US Mail: Tektronix, Inc., MS 92-823, P.O. Box 4600, Beaverton, OR 97076 uucp: {allegra,decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,ucbvax}!tektronix!athena!steved CS,ARPAnet: steved@athena.TEK.COM 28-Jul-87 06:55:55-MDT,1315;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from DOCKMASTER.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 28 Jul 87 06:55:47 MDT Date: Tue, 28 Jul 87 08:55 EDT From: Rankins@DOCKMASTER.ARPA Subject: The Game of LARN To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: Rankins@DOCKMASTER.ARPA Message-ID: <870728125547.585355@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> Does anyone know of a CP/M version of the game Larn that runs on an apple IIe with a Microsoft Premium Softcard IIe? Larn was originally created by Noah Morgan at GenRad Inc. Bolton, MA. We have a PD version at work that runs on an IBM-pc that was ported to MS-DOS by D. G. Kneller, but for obvious reasons I can't play it as much as I would like (sometimes I can sneak a quick game in during lunch) and would like to get a version I can play on my apple at home. So far I haven't had any luck getting a DOS, ProDOS, Pascal, Assembly, etc. version so I thought I'd try to find a CP/M one. Larn is a dungeon type adventure game similar in concept to ROGUE or HACK. If you know of an CP/M version of this game (or an CP/M version of ROGUE or HACK or another similar game for that matter) please reply to this forum or to RANKINS@DOCKMASTER.ARPA Thanks in advance, Ray 28-Jul-87 09:32:55-MDT,1542;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from lll-lcc.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 28 Jul 87 09:32:38 MDT Received: Tue, 28 Jul 87 08:29:32 PDT from lll-es-s05.arpa by lll-lcc.ARPA (5.51/) id AA00978; Tue, 28 Jul 87 08:29:32 PDT Return-Path: Received: by lll-es-s05.ARPA (1.1/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA17571; Tue, 28 Jul 87 08:33:29 PDT Message-Id: <8707281533.AA17571@lll-es-s05.ARPA> Date: Tue Jul 28 08:33:26 1987 From: hanscom@lll-es-s05 (Roger Hanscom 423-0441) Subject: S-100 Memory To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Cc: hanscom@lll-es-s05 Status: N If I can add my two cents worth to the Paul Vixie/Willie Smith discussion about S-100 memory -- If it will be used for RAM disk, there's a DRAM solution that is much less expensive than the alternatives you've considered. Digital Research (Computers) in Dallas, now has a 1 Meg RAM disc card for S-100 systems. A bare board with software and documentation runs about $70. It is 4 banks of 256K DRAMS with parity, and uses INTEL's 8203 memory controller chip. I don't know how fast it will run, you'd have to check that out with them. I'm building one now, and considering my past experience with their quarter Meg RAM disks ... I can't wait to get it running. They claim that it is possible to stuff up to 4 of these cards in one buss, so one could have bunches of RAM disk for little $'s (compared to the prices you guys are talking about). It is also available in kit form, but I'm not sure of the price. Check it out!! 28-Jul-87 22:09:13-MDT,1215;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 28 Jul 87 22:09:06 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA11516; Tue, 28 Jul 87 20:54:40 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 28 Jul 87 14:47:45 GMT From: tektronix!tekcrl!tekgvs!toma@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Almy) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Subject: Re: No-slot clocks Message-Id: <2490@tekgvs.TEK.COM> References: <870727-152631-1053@Xerox> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <870727-152631-1053@Xerox> TReed.ES@XEROX.COM writes: > >What specific Radio Shack store has the No-slot clock. [...] >They give me a blank look when I ask about them. > >Their responce is, "if it's in our catalog we can get it for you, if >it's not, we can't". > It was in the sales flyer before the latest one. Hasn't appeared in the latest catalog yet. My local store (Tualatin Oregon) knew about them, but the don't stock it. Tom Almy toma@tekgvs.tek.com 29-Jul-87 10:15:07-MDT,3058;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from CICGE.RPI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 29 Jul 87 10:14:32 MDT Received: from (TCPMAINT)RPICICGE.BITNET by CICGE.RPI.EDU on 07/29/87 at 10:52:52 EDT Received: by RPICICGE (Mailer X1.24) id 7739; Wed, 29 Jul 87 10:52:44 EDT Date: Wed, 29 Jul 87 10:48:16 EDT From: "John S. Fisher" To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Bitnet access to archives ***************************************************************** * N O T I C E * * The following is a description of an experimental facility. * * For now, please keep it confidential to this group. * ***************************************************************** To all Info-CPM members on Bitnet: A copy of the CPM software archives from Simtel20 as been placed on-line at RPICICGE.BITNET. It is the complete set of files from the directories PD: and PD: as of July 17, 1987. The files are available to any Bitnet host that can receive files. However, for the present, the following restrictions apply: (1) All files are delivered in IBM Netdata format. This may be a problem for the non-IBM hosts. A future anouncement may describe alternate formats. (2) All files are in their original, untranslated form. (ASCII files have not been translated to EBCDIC.) This may make some files (such as those in the starter-kit) difficult to use. Contact me directly if you need an alternate form. (3) Your are restricted to five file requests per day. You may request files by sending /PDGET commands to LISTSERV@RPICICGE either in interactive messages or in a mail message. (For VM and MVS hosts, TELL LISTSERV AT RPICICGE... can be used to send an interactive message. Other systems may have similar facilities.) The format for the /PDGET command is simply /PDGET simtel20filename where "simtel20filename" is exactly the same full name used at Simtel20.ARPA. For example, to get a copy of LASM.COM the command is /PDGET PD:LASM.COM (case is not significant.) Additional remarks: (1) This service is being offered on a trial basis. Three things will determine its longevity: System load, network load, and disk space. (2) Disk space will definitely be a problem. The archive is huge. I expect eventually to migrate the older, less popular files to offline storage. Offline files will be accessible on perhaps a weekly basis. (3) Problems regarding the service should be sent directly to me, not the Info-CPM list. (4) It is very indefinite how and when the archive will be updated to match Simtel20. We'll have to see what is feasible. (4) Other volunteers are still needed to share the load of hosting this and other archives from Simtel20. If you are interested, contact Frank Wancho or myself directly. Regards, JSFisher FISHER@RPICICGE 29-Jul-87 10:49:35-MDT,2168;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from LL.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 29 Jul 87 10:49:17 MDT Date: Wed 29 Jul 1987 12:50:18 EDT From: Subject: Magazines Devoted to CP/M To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Message-ID: Since people continue to ask about magazines devoted to CP/M, I am reposting the following message: ------------- I would like once again to call to the attention of CP/M computer users the only magazine I know of that still has a general focus on 8-bit hobbyist computing. It has been around for many years, but somehow has remained largely unknown. I did not discover it until last year and was amazed to see the long list of back issues. It is The Computer Journal Art Carlson, editor 190 Sullivan Crossroad Columbia Falls, MT 59912 406-257-9119 It is published on a flexible schedule of approximately every other month. A subscription in the US is $16 per year. I regard it as a precious resource for our 8-bit community, and I hope not only that you will subscribe but that you will contribute articles as well. If you have written an interesting program or made an interesting modification, send in a short piece. I now have a column on ZCPR3 in every issue. Rick Lehrbaum, engineering vice president at Ampro, has been a frequent contributor, having produced a series of articles on the SCSI interface. The articles are very wide ranging, including both hardware and software. There was a pair of fascinating articles on the art and science of soldering and unsoldering! A piece on disassembly techniques called "The Art of Source Code Generation" was written by the individual who sells those famous packages that will convert your Turbo Pascal and other programs to commented source code. Most of the people I have gotten to subscribe to TCJ have been very happy with it, so I feel reasonably confident in recommending it. Jay Sage 29-Jul-87 21:40:00-MDT,965;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 29 Jul 87 21:39:50 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA06857; Wed, 29 Jul 87 20:38:53 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Jul 87 21:21:33 GMT From: shukra!ram@sun.com (Renu Raman, Sun Microsystems) Subject: Visual 1050 users? Message-Id: <24440@sun.uucp> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Are there any visual 1050 users out there? If so, please send email to me. I am collecting names & addresses of Visual 1050 owners & users. --------------------- Renu Raman ARPA:ram%shukra@sun.com Sun Microsystems UUCP:ram@sun.uucp/...!sun!shukra!ram M/S 5-40, 2500 Garcia Avenue, Mt. View, CA 94043 30-Jul-87 00:10:08-MDT,1036;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Jul 87 00:09:54 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA08917; Wed, 29 Jul 87 22:53:33 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Jul 87 03:26:10 GMT From: ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Joseph D. Loda) Organization: Analysts International Corp; Chicago Branch Subject: MEX and suppressing call waiting Message-Id: <963@aicchi.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa SOme time ago, someone listed the technique to get MEX (1.14) to accept a '*' in the number and phone directory. Could someone shoot this information my way? Thanks, Joe. -- Joe Loda Analysts International (Chicago Branch) Usenet: ..!ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda CIS: 75726,1641 BIX: jloda GEnie: j.loda 30-Jul-87 00:10:29-MDT,1119;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Jul 87 00:10:23 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA08942; Wed, 29 Jul 87 22:54:33 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Jul 87 03:28:32 GMT From: ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Joseph D. Loda) Organization: Analysts International Corp; Chicago Branch Subject: No slot clocks and PCPI Applicard Message-Id: <964@aicchi.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Has anyone successfully used a no-slot-clock on an Apple with a PCPI card? If so, could you post/mail some information on what you used and how you installed it? Just what IS the difference between all these NSC's I see advertised? Thanks, Joe. -- Joe Loda Analysts International (Chicago Branch) Usenet: ..!ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda CIS: 75726,1641 BIX: jloda GEnie: j.loda 30-Jul-87 08:18:28-MDT,2208;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from CICGE.RPI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Jul 87 08:18:08 MDT Received: from (TCPMAINT)RPICICGE.BITNET by CICGE.RPI.EDU on 07/30/87 at 10:18:26 EDT Received: by RPICICGE (Mailer X1.24) id 0659; Thu, 30 Jul 87 10:18:19 EDT Date: Thu, 30 Jul 87 09:58:15 EDT From: "John S. Fisher" To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Clarification about the RPICICGE archive I have noted some confusion stemming from my announcement of a file server on Bitnet for the Simtel20 CPM archives. Perhaps this will help: (1) The files are stored as CPM sector-image data. They are sent as-is (in IBM netdata form). If you have a non-IBM host, it will probably try to do EBCDIC to ASCII translation. This will render the orginal data as garbage. Take heart, however, uuencode support will be available soon.... (2) For all of you that are familiar with LISTSERV and its commands, FORGET EVERYTHING YOU KNOW. GET, INDEX, etc cannot be used to access the archives. /PDGET is your only interface. (To make matters even more confusing, my Listserv does have a CPM filelist, but it isn't the Simtel20 archives, and it is scheduled for deletion.) (3) /PDGET has no directory listing function at present. However, You can /PDGET PD:CPM.ARC and such to get the directory. You'll need a suitable program like ARCUTIL (available from me) or VMSWEEP to examine that file on your host rather than downloading to your micro. (4) I presently have only the directories CPM and CPM.*. I do not have CPMUG.* or any of the others. Maybe someday.... Regards, JSFisher FISHER@RPICICGE.BITNET P.S. Please note that my network address in the mail headers above has been rewritten to be an Internet address. Bitnet people should use FISHER@RPICICGE to avoid unnecessary passage through the gateways if you need to contact me. P.S.S. I received one cryptic message from SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU. I haven't the vaguest idea how to reply to the originator since E.ISI.EDU rejects the user id. 30-Jul-87 09:46:19-MDT,802;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from dmc-crc.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Jul 87 09:46:12 MDT Received: by dmc-crc.arpa; (4.12/4.7) id AA03164; Thu, 30 Jul 87 10:46:05 edt Date: Thu, 30 Jul 87 10:46:05 edt From: marwood@dmc-crc.arpa (G. J. Marwood) Message-Id: <8707301446.AA03164@dmc-crc.arpa> To: ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU, info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: Re: No slot clocks and PCPI Applicard I can't help you directly, but try asking Jim Lill on GEnie. I think that I have heard him mention using a no slot clock. I think that it is actually installed in the Apple rather than the Applicard. I don't exactly remember Jim's GEnie address, but I think that it is JIMLILL. Gordon Marwood 30-Jul-87 18:09:37-MDT,1137;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 30 Jul 87 18:09:32 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA26812; Thu, 30 Jul 87 16:44:19 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Jul 87 12:38:57 GMT From: ritcv!moscom!adp@cs.rochester.edu (Alan Percy) Organization: MOSCOM Corp, E. Rochester, NY Subject: Re: No-slot clocks Message-Id: <1027@moscom.UUCP> References: Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Try taking a look at the Ztime-I from Kenmore Computer Tech. It goes under the Z80 socket and maps into I/O space. Comes with all the source you could ever need. It has the added advantage of being supported by lots of application programs like DateStamper, Presto!.... They can be reached at: KCT PO Box 635 Kenmore NY 14217 (716) 877-0617 Neat suff......I love mine!!!! Alan 31-Jul-87 06:09:57-MDT,1913;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 31 Jul 87 06:09:44 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA07974; Fri, 31 Jul 87 04:41:13 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Jul 87 03:48:16 GMT From: hpda!hpscda!hpqtdla!mikeb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Bryant) Organization: HP, Queensferry Telecomms (UK) Subject: Re: What personal computers are in Europe? in Isreal? Message-Id: <2080001@hpqtdla.HP.COM> References: <870720-074742-1198@Xerox> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa >marketing his services in Europe (England particularly) and Israel. ^^^^^^^ > 1. What computers are most common? Are they IBM PC compatible? Amstrad PC1512, Apricot and IBM PC - all MS-DOS > 2. What operating systems are most common? Are they MS-DOS/PC-DOS system? dBase II (he also has lots of experience with that)? dBase is NOT most popular over here - there are many others equal. > 3. How common are personal computers? Who has them? Are they used >for business use only? Personal use? Both? over 500,000 MS-DOS machines in homes. 2 in 3 homes have something e.g. Sinclair Spectrum. Business use IBM, Olivetti and Apricot mostly > 4. Is there likely to be a market for small business software for >handling customer and vendor bases, inventory, ordering, invoicing, etc? >What will the market bear, price-wise? Must the price be under $100? What does it do new? > Will a package that costs over $1500 sell? What's a $ ?? 1500 sounds like a lot, unless they're like yen! 31-Jul-87 06:39:49-MDT,1875;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 31 Jul 87 06:39:40 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA08708; Fri, 31 Jul 87 05:37:37 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Jul 87 01:59:57 GMT From: linus!philabs!ttidca!sorgatz@husc6.harvard.edu ( Avatar) Organization: Citicorp/TTI, Santa Monica Subject: Re: No-slot clocks Message-Id: <1016@ttidca.TTI.COM> References: , <888@kodak.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Many of you out there have expressed an interest in the Dallas Semi DS1216e this chip can be installed under _any_ 24 or 28 pin device. I have written a driver and utility to work with these modules, and it works with our V7/4.1 since it is written as an 'ioctl' character-special, device-driver. Now, all I need is my employer's approval to post the code to .sources and y'all can have a copy for free! It's written in C, it assumes 16bit ints and not much else. We use the MC68020 almost exclusivly, and the device works fine beneath the 27512 chip we use for booting. If my boss approves the posting, I'll do it, otherwise you could mail me your requests for help and I'll try to help you with this. The module is straightforward ONCE you understand the screwy bit-serial interface method. -- -Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY ************************************* Citicorp(+)TTI *----------> panic trap; type = N+1 * 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (213) 450-9111, ext. 2973 *************************** Santa Monica, CA 90405 {csun,philabs,randvax,trwrb}!ttidca!ttidcb!sorgatz ** 31-Jul-87 06:54:28-MDT,726;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 31-Jul-87 06:54:19 Date: Friday, 31 July 1987 05:43-MDT Message-ID: Sender: dowst@JPL-VLSI.ARPA From: dowst@JPL-VLSI.ARPA To: info-cpm-request@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: No slot clocks and PCPI Applicard ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: INFO-CPM ReSent-Date: Fri 31 Jul 1987 06:54-MDT I can confirm that Jim Lill's address on GEnie is JIMLILL and that there are no-slot clock drivers for the AppliCard available in Library 35 (APPLE) in the CPM section of GEnie. There is considerable other AppliCard s/w as well. Download file No. 4427 from the CP/M Libraries for a list of all Apple files as of 7/87 Henry Dowst 31-Jul-87 13:31:39-MDT,3380;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from CICGE.RPI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 31 Jul 87 13:29:22 MDT Received: from (TCPMAINT)RPICICGE.BITNET by CICGE.RPI.EDU on 07/31/87 at 14:39:35 EDT Received: by RPICICGE (Mailer X1.24) id 2290; Fri, 31 Jul 87 14:39:30 EDT Date: Fri, 31 Jul 87 13:55:18 EDT From: "John S. Fisher" To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Additional functions for the LISTSERV@RPICICGE file server I've made some additions to the /PDGET command. It now supports transfers to non-IBM hosts and through gateways. It's full syntax is: /PDGET simtel.filename < ( encoding > where <...> mark things that are optional. "format" specifies the method of transmission to be used: NETDATA -- suitable for transfer to Bitnet hosts that can accept files in IBM Netdata format. PUNCH -- suitable for transfer to Bitnet hosts that can accept files but cannot decode the Netdata format. Files are sent as 80-byte card-images. MAIL -- suitable for transfer to hosts that can accept only mail or are accessible to Bitnet only through gateways. Large files sent via mail are split into several smaller files that the recipient must reassemble. If the format is omitted, NETDATA is assumed for Bitnet hosts and MAIL for all others. "encoding" specifies any special encoding of the file data: ASIS -- suitable for hosts that can receive binary data. The file is sent exactly as it is stored on my system: CP/M sector images, binary mostly. ASIS may be used only with format NETDATA. UUENCODE -- suitable for hosts that cannot receive binary data. The file is sent uuencoded. TRANSLATE -- suitable for any host, but only when the file actually represents readable text. The file is translated to EBCDIC. If you are on an ASCII machine, then your system should automatically translate to ASCII when the file arrives.) TRANSLATE applied to a binary file will yield trash. If no encoding is specified, then ASIS is assumed for NETDATA, and UUENCODE for the others. Examples: ========= In each of the following examples the user wants the CPM.CRCLST file to examine on his host and the UNARC16.ARK file to download to his micro. Note that none of the examples have a closing parenthesis! (1) The user is on an IBM host directly connected to Bitnet: /PDGET NETDATA PD:CPM.CRCLST (TRANSLATE /PDGET NETDATA PD:UNARC16.ARK (2) The user is on a non-IBM host directly connected to Bitnet and can receive Netdata files: /PDGET NETDATA PD:CPM.CRCLST (TRANSLATE /PDGET NETDATA PD:UNARC16.ARK (UUE (3) The user is on a non-IBM host directly connected to Bitnet and can receive punch files: /PDGET PUNCH PD:CPM.CRCLST (TRANSLATE /PDGET PUNCH PD:UNARC16.ARK (UUE (4) The user is on some host somewhere: /PDGET MAIL PD:CPM.CRCLST (TRANSLATE /PDGET MAIL PD:UNARC16.ARK (UUE