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INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 2 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 51
Today's Topics:
Generating CPM-Kermit for an Epson QX-10
INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50
Machine bought at auction
Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC (2 msgs)
Z80- and processors-other-than-Intel-bashing
Z80 compilers
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Date: 2 Apr 90 17:37:33 GMT
From: psuvm!hdk@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (H. D. Knoble)
Subject: Generating CPM-Kermit for an Epson QX-10
Message-ID: <90092.133733HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>
If anyone out there is running CPM and Kermit on an Epson QX-10,
there's a professor emeritus here who's been trying to use the
Columbia source to generate himself a version. He's having trouble
getting Kermit to recognize his serial port, although other software
he has does not have this trouble.
Could anyone shed any light on this problem, or better yet send suggested
Kermit source changes (CPS*.*, CPX*.* files) to HDK@PSUVM.PSU.EDU.
Many thanks.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 90 12:59 EDT
From: "Bill Weinel" <WWH%NCCIBM1.BITNET@ncsuvm.ncsu.edu>
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50
> Does anyone have or know of a compiler that will compile source files
> that end with a .Z80? I have not been able to find one that will work
> Thanks
>
> Brian Leclair - umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Macro-80 should work just fine (more commonly known as M80.COM). You'll
also need L80.COM to go with it to line the *.REL output files. M80 is
probably the best all around Z80 assembler I've used. It's syntax and
error messages can be a bit cryptic at times, but it's fast and has a
great macro processor built in. M80 was sold by Microsoft, but more than
likely, is probably now unsupported. If you look around at fleamarkets,
hamfests, and in the FidoNet FORSALE echos you should be able to pick
up a copy at a reasonable price.
TWYL Bill
------------------------------
Date: 2 Apr 90 15:22:41 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!xanth!cs.odu.edu!rieke@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Malcolm John Rieke)
Subject: Machine bought at auction
Message-ID: <12023@xanth.cs.odu.edu>
I recently purchased a computer at an auction and am trying to get some
info on it. It's a Silver Reed model CS1000 and since it has a Z80A in it
I believe it might be a CPM system. Does anybody out there know anything
about this system, and if it is CPM, any information on where I can get a
system disk for it (by the way, it uses 3-1/2" disks). Also, some information
on what kind of keyboard will work with it (the keyboard port uses a modular
phone plug)
please email me at rieke@cs.odu.edu
------------------------------
Date: 30 Mar 90 19:22:15 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!sugar!ficc!lloyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (greg lloyd)
Subject: Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC
Message-ID: <JFL23EGxds7@ficc.uu.net>
I have recently aquired a Sequa Chameleon Plus (no manuals) which
appears to be an early IBM-PC clone. From looking at the main
board I see that it has the following features:
o 8088 CPU running at 4.77 MHz
o 8087 Math coprocessor
o Z80 CPU (for running CP/M?)
o 256K memory with parity (36 4164 DRAMs)
o 16K memory (2 4416 DRAMs)
(not sure what these are for, maybe display memory)
o NEC765 floppy controller
o 6845 CRT controller
(seems to be CGA resolution, have not tried graphics)
o 1 printer port
o 2 serial ports
(must be nonstandard since there are no 8250s on the board)
o 1 game port
o 1 IEEE-488 (GPIB) port
(there are 8291/2/3s on the board)
It can boot Compaq MSDOS 3.1 just fine but I can't get much of
anything to run on it due to its lack of memory. It does reboot
when I exit Compaq Basic with the SYSTEM command. This must be a
sign of some incompatabilty. If the machine is compatable enough
to make it worth while I plan to modify the board to support 256K
DRAMs and have 640K on board (I have modified several old IBM-PC
5-slot mother boards for 640K).
I am looking for the following information on the machine:
o Just how compatable is it? Does the hardware look like an
IBM-PC to software? How compatable is the BIOS? Will I be
able to run any useful IBM-PC programs on it?
o Is Sequa still in business? Are there any manuals or
schematics available?
o What is the purpose of the two 34 pin headers on the left
side of the mother board? Possibly an expansion bus?
Please E-mail me if you have any information on this machine.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
J. Greg Lloyd
Systems Application Engineering
3655 Westcenter Dr. Houston, TX 77042
UUCP: uunet!ficc!lloyd ph: (713) 274-5260
--------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: 2 Apr 90 02:53:59 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC
Message-ID: <2793@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <JFL23EGxds7@ficc.uu.net>, lloyd@ficc.uu.net (greg lloyd) writes:
>
> o Z80 CPU (for running CP/M?)
>
I have an issue of Popular Science from a number of years ago and
the Seequa (its proper spelling) Chameleon is capable of running
both DOS and CP/M, hence its name, the Chameleon.
> o What is the purpose of the two 34 pin headers on the left
> side of the mother board? Possibly an expansion bus?
I assume so you could put more floppy drives online, or possibly a
hard disk or two, or a combination thereof.
--
Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet"
------------------------------
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:42:55 GMT
From: csusac!csuchico.edu!petunia!usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Z80- and processors-other-than-Intel-bashing
Message-ID: <2786@sactoh0.UUCP>
There's this guy who calls this board I call locally who is bashing
every processor that is not Intel, and has been recently bashing
CP/M. For those of you folks who don't like this kind of
drag-in-the-mud treatment, call Hotel-86 at (916) 927-7680, and
check out Processor Wars. Or, optionally, I can make available,
transcripts of my logons. Just drop me a line at the address
below; that will be sent to my CP/M machine.
However, if you do make it to Hotel-86, and you want to leave hate
mail, leave it to "vEx" (actually, when the system prompts you to
enter the recipient's name, and you type it in, that system is case
insensitive). To leave mail to me, leave it to "IJ".
--
Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet"
------------------------------
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:36:36 GMT
From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@apple.com (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Z80 compilers
Message-ID: <2785@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <1990Mar30.023911.29410@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brian Leclair) writes:
> Does anyone have or know of a compiler that will compile source files
> that end with a .Z80? I have not been able to find one that will work
> Thanks
>
I think you meant assemblers, but I guess assemblers are almost the
same as compilers in their own way. Anyway, to answer your
question, there are two that I know of, and those two are SLR's
Z80ASM which is a commercial program. Then there's a package called
ZASM.LBR which is the Cromemco assembler, which is supposed to be a
rather nice, but slow, assembler. If you have a copy of The
Computer Journal #35, there's an article on REL-type assemblers and
makes mention of it.
--
Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet"
------------------------------
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INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 3 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 52
Today's Topics:
assembler files with a Z80 extension
Info on Sage IV Needed
Kaypro termcap
Z80 compilers
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 19:43 CST
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: assembler files with a Z80 extension
Message-ID: <B625F432383FA00BC8@uwplatt.edu>
I did some checking, and, for the person who asked, the CROWE assembler
requires its source files to have a .Z80 extension.
It is available from SIMTEL20.
Lance Tagliapietra (usclct@uwplatt.edu) or (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet)
------------------------------
Date: 3 Apr 90 01:33:46 GMT
From: pollux!ez001287@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Thomas Lew)
Subject: Info on Sage IV Needed
Message-ID: <7027@aggie.ucdavis.edu>
I recently acquired a Sage IV computer which runs on the CP/M 68K operating
system and am need of information on where I can acquire software for
this machine (most specifically a terminal program). Any help would
be appreciated.
------------------------------
Date: 2 Apr 90 19:28:39 GMT
From: sumax!polari!rwing!cstew@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Christopher Stewart)
Subject: Kaypro termcap
Message-ID: <1108@rwing.UUCP>
A day ago, someone posted an request for information about a termcap
for a Kaypro II. A user on another system I'm on uses a Kaypro and
a couple of entries called 'mmcpm' and adm5. She states the mmcpm
works great except when using our local conferencing program. If you
need copies of this entries email me here or as allan@eskimo.UUCP.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 00:35:52 EST
From: Kevin J. Cummings <CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM>
Subject: Z80 compilers
I got a Z80 assembler from a DEC machine in Marlboro, MA years ago when they
had a PD CP/M software repository there (to support their Rainbow and Robin
machines). I forget the name of the system, but it was run by Bernie Eiben.
Anyways, they had an assembler called ZASM which assembled source files with
the .Z80 extension. It came in a .LBR file with ZASM.COM and ZASM.DOC.
The .DOC file is quite extensive and describes the Z80 macro assembler.
Among other things, it can produce .HEX or .REL files, but I thought that some
of the pseduo-ops were either non-standard (not compatible with MAC/RMAC),
or had various non-standard forms. When the assembler is invoked it claims to
be the "CROMEMCO Z80 Macro Assembler version 03.04". I'm not sure if its been
put in the PD by CROMEMCO (before they went under), but Ernie was pretty good
about not keeping pirated software online. Is this also on SIMTEL20? I
thought that most of the software I found in Marlboro was also on SIMTEL20.
============================================================================
Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc.
20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass.
InterNet: CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM
CSNet: CUMMINGS%S55.Prime.COM@RELAY.CS.NET
UUCP: {uunet, csnet-relay}!S55.Prime.COM!CUMMINGS
Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration, I've come
to the conclusion that your new defense system SUCKS..."
============================================================================
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INFO-CPM Digest V90 #52
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 15:15:47 MDT
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INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 2 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 51
Today's Topics:
Generating CPM-Kermit for an Epson QX-10
INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50
Machine bought at auction
Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC (2 msgs)
Z80- and processors-other-than-Intel-bashing
Z80 compilers
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2 Apr 90 17:37:33 GMT
From: psuvm!hdk@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (H. D. Knoble)
Subject: Generating CPM-Kermit for an Epson QX-10
Message-ID: <90092.133733HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>
If anyone out there is running CPM and Kermit on an Epson QX-10,
there's a professor emeritus here who's been trying to use the
Columbia source to generate himself a version. He's having trouble
getting Kermit to recognize his serial port, although other software
he has does not have this trouble.
Could anyone shed any light on this problem, or better yet send suggested
Kermit source changes (CPS*.*, CPX*.* files) to HDK@PSUVM.PSU.EDU.
Many thanks.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 90 12:59 EDT
From: "Bill Weinel" <WWH%NCCIBM1.BITNET@ncsuvm.ncsu.edu>
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50
> Does anyone have or know of a compiler that will compile source files
> that end with a .Z80? I have not been able to find one that will work
> Thanks
>
> Brian Leclair - umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Macro-80 should work just fine (more commonly known as M80.COM). You'll
also need L80.COM to go with it to line the *.REL output files. M80 is
probably the best all around Z80 assembler I've used. It's syntax and
error messages can be a bit cryptic at times, but it's fast and has a
great macro processor built in. M80 was sold by Microsoft, but more than
likely, is probably now unsupported. If you look around at fleamarkets,
hamfests, and in the FidoNet FORSALE echos you should be able to pick
up a copy at a reasonable price.
TWYL Bill
------------------------------
Date: 2 Apr 90 15:22:41 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!xanth!cs.odu.edu!rieke@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Malcolm John Rieke)
Subject: Machine bought at auction
Message-ID: <12023@xanth.cs.odu.edu>
I recently purchased a computer at an auction and am trying to get some
info on it. It's a Silver Reed model CS1000 and since it has a Z80A in it
I believe it might be a CPM system. Does anybody out there know anything
about this system, and if it is CPM, any information on where I can get a
system disk for it (by the way, it uses 3-1/2" disks). Also, some information
on what kind of keyboard will work with it (the keyboard port uses a modular
phone plug)
please email me at rieke@cs.odu.edu
------------------------------
Date: 30 Mar 90 19:22:15 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!sugar!ficc!lloyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (greg lloyd)
Subject: Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC
Message-ID: <JFL23EGxds7@ficc.uu.net>
I have recently aquired a Sequa Chameleon Plus (no manuals) which
appears to be an early IBM-PC clone. From looking at the main
board I see that it has the following features:
o 8088 CPU running at 4.77 MHz
o 8087 Math coprocessor
o Z80 CPU (for running CP/M?)
o 256K memory with parity (36 4164 DRAMs)
o 16K memory (2 4416 DRAMs)
(not sure what these are for, maybe display memory)
o NEC765 floppy controller
o 6845 CRT controller
(seems to be CGA resolution, have not tried graphics)
o 1 printer port
o 2 serial ports
(must be nonstandard since there are no 8250s on the board)
o 1 game port
o 1 IEEE-488 (GPIB) port
(there are 8291/2/3s on the board)
It can boot Compaq MSDOS 3.1 just fine but I can't get much of
anything to run on it due to its lack of memory. It does reboot
when I exit Compaq Basic with the SYSTEM command. This must be a
sign of some incompatabilty. If the machine is compatable enough
to make it worth while I plan to modify the board to support 256K
DRAMs and have 640K on board (I have modified several old IBM-PC
5-slot mother boards for 640K).
I am looking for the following information on the machine:
o Just how compatable is it? Does the hardware look like an
IBM-PC to software? How compatable is the BIOS? Will I be
able to run any useful IBM-PC programs on it?
o Is Sequa still in business? Are there any manuals or
schematics available?
o What is the purpose of the two 34 pin headers on the left
side of the mother board? Possibly an expansion bus?
Please E-mail me if you have any information on this machine.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
J. Greg Lloyd
Systems Application Engineering
3655 Westcenter Dr. Houston, TX 77042
UUCP: uunet!ficc!lloyd ph: (713) 274-5260
--------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: 2 Apr 90 02:53:59 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC
Message-ID: <2793@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <JFL23EGxds7@ficc.uu.net>, lloyd@ficc.uu.net (greg lloyd) writes:
>
> o Z80 CPU (for running CP/M?)
>
I have an issue of Popular Science from a number of years ago and
the Seequa (its proper spelling) Chameleon is capable of running
both DOS and CP/M, hence its name, the Chameleon.
> o What is the purpose of the two 34 pin headers on the left
> side of the mother board? Possibly an expansion bus?
I assume so you could put more floppy drives online, or possibly a
hard disk or two, or a combination thereof.
--
Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet"
------------------------------
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:42:55 GMT
From: csusac!csuchico.edu!petunia!usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Z80- and processors-other-than-Intel-bashing
Message-ID: <2786@sactoh0.UUCP>
There's this guy who calls this board I call locally who is bashing
every processor that is not Intel, and has been recently bashing
CP/M. For those of you folks who don't like this kind of
drag-in-the-mud treatment, call Hotel-86 at (916) 927-7680, and
check out Processor Wars. Or, optionally, I can make available,
transcripts of my logons. Just drop me a line at the address
below; that will be sent to my CP/M machine.
However, if you do make it to Hotel-86, and you want to leave hate
mail, leave it to "vEx" (actually, when the system prompts you to
enter the recipient's name, and you type it in, that system is case
insensitive). To leave mail to me, leave it to "IJ".
--
Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet"
------------------------------
Date: 30 Mar 90 07:36:36 GMT
From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@apple.com (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Z80 compilers
Message-ID: <2785@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <1990Mar30.023911.29410@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brian Leclair) writes:
> Does anyone have or know of a compiler that will compile source files
> that end with a .Z80? I have not been able to find one that will work
> Thanks
>
I think you meant assemblers, but I guess assemblers are almost the
same as compilers in their own way. Anyway, to answer your
question, there are two that I know of, and those two are SLR's
Z80ASM which is a commercial program. Then there's a package called
ZASM.LBR which is the Cromemco assembler, which is supposed to be a
rather nice, but slow, assembler. If you have a copy of The
Computer Journal #35, there's an article on REL-type assemblers and
makes mention of it.
--
Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet"
------------------------------
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INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 3 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 52
Today's Topics:
assembler files with a Z80 extension
Info on Sage IV Needed
Kaypro termcap
Z80 compilers
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 19:43 CST
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: assembler files with a Z80 extension
Message-ID: <B625F432383FA00BC8@uwplatt.edu>
I did some checking, and, for the person who asked, the CROWE assembler
requires its source files to have a .Z80 extension.
It is available from SIMTEL20.
Lance Tagliapietra (usclct@uwplatt.edu) or (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet)
------------------------------
Date: 3 Apr 90 01:33:46 GMT
From: pollux!ez001287@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Thomas Lew)
Subject: Info on Sage IV Needed
Message-ID: <7027@aggie.ucdavis.edu>
I recently acquired a Sage IV computer which runs on the CP/M 68K operating
system and am need of information on where I can acquire software for
this machine (most specifically a terminal program). Any help would
be appreciated.
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Date: 2 Apr 90 19:28:39 GMT
From: sumax!polari!rwing!cstew@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Christopher Stewart)
Subject: Kaypro termcap
Message-ID: <1108@rwing.UUCP>
A day ago, someone posted an request for information about a termcap
for a Kaypro II. A user on another system I'm on uses a Kaypro and
a couple of entries called 'mmcpm' and adm5. She states the mmcpm
works great except when using our local conferencing program. If you
need copies of this entries email me here or as allan@eskimo.UUCP.
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 00:35:52 EST
From: Kevin J. Cummings <CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM>
Subject: Z80 compilers
I got a Z80 assembler from a DEC machine in Marlboro, MA years ago when they
had a PD CP/M software repository there (to support their Rainbow and Robin
machines). I forget the name of the system, but it was run by Bernie Eiben.
Anyways, they had an assembler called ZASM which assembled source files with
the .Z80 extension. It came in a .LBR file with ZASM.COM and ZASM.DOC.
The .DOC file is quite extensive and describes the Z80 macro assembler.
Among other things, it can produce .HEX or .REL files, but I thought that some
of the pseduo-ops were either non-standard (not compatible with MAC/RMAC),
or had various non-standard forms. When the assembler is invoked it claims to
be the "CROMEMCO Z80 Macro Assembler version 03.04". I'm not sure if its been
put in the PD by CROMEMCO (before they went under), but Ernie was pretty good
about not keeping pirated software online. Is this also on SIMTEL20? I
thought that most of the software I found in Marlboro was also on SIMTEL20.
============================================================================
Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc.
20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass.
InterNet: CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM
CSNet: CUMMINGS%S55.Prime.COM@RELAY.CS.NET
UUCP: {uunet, csnet-relay}!S55.Prime.COM!CUMMINGS
Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration, I've come
to the conclusion that your new defense system SUCKS..."
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 90 10:42 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Hmmmm.....
This is a serious matter, you see.
Personally, I think everything that Intel has ever come up with tend to
be rather demented; especially the iAPX86 family. The segmentation system
is totally absurd. The Queues on the lower processors are totally
mundane. The processing time is totally outrageous. The architecture
(the way they have the registers set up) makes absolutely no sense.
Aside from the compatibility, there is no reason why ANYONE should be
*%&('ing using any of Intel's higher-level processors. Intel-compatible
op. codes are assembler programmers' worst nightmare - they are as
far away from natural language as humanly possible.
At least Zilog (although owned by Exxon) had the heart and the humaneness
enough to make sense out of the 8080/5 and create a more useful
(although subject to similar limitations) processors.
The step which Intel took from the 8080 family to iAPX432 was a
totally logical one - they found a fatal bug in 432 and had to pull
it out of production. 8086 makes as much sense as a pile of rocks
in the middle of Interstate 91.
I should admit that 8080 was the first very-commercially-successful
processor that popularized microcomputing, and 8086 family IS teh
most commercially successful one (although only at the consumer-product
level), I think there is a reason why:
-people abandoned 8080 for Z80
-people abandoned 8086 for 68000
-people never thought of using 8086 where they are using 32000 and Z80,000
these days.
(oops; I forgot a "but" in the paragraph above.)
Someone should come up with the guts and money to speed up Z80;
with current AS-TTL technology, we can pull it up to 100MHz!!! Look
out Intel (Intel does, however, make some mean peripheral chips.)!
-John
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Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 5-Apr-90 00:39:45
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 90 00:39:45 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #54
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 5 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 54
Today's Topics:
ADM/VT100 emulators.
Disc formatter
Looking for Dysan Disk Diagnostics Prgm. (DDD.COM)
Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX
Non-Intel Bashing...
UUCP and 'Y' file types
Xerox 820-II Questions.
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Date: 3 Apr 90 18:12:50 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (Manic Minstrel.)
Subject: ADM/VT100 emulators.
Message-ID: <5839.2618e7a2@vax1.tcd.ie>
OK,
I would like to speak to anyone who has managed to get a copy of QTERM running
on a Northstar Advantage.
Failing this has anyone got an ADM3A emulator for the Northstar?
Thanks in Advance.
--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
<J. lives at JFSENIOR@vax1.tcd.ie (no smart remarks 'bout opinions neither.)>
< And if that doesn't work uh, then you can't mail me - nyahh! >
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 09:59:42 BST
From: Paul Clayson <PC3%IB.RL.AC.UK@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Disc formatter
Hello
I once heard about a public domain utility to format 3 inch discs
(on Amstrad 8256) to 192K each side instead of the usual 173K. Does
anybody know any more about this, or have a copy?
Thanks
Paul - pc3@ukacrl.bitnet
pc3@ib.rl.ac.uk
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Date: 1 Apr 90 14:17:33 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Jhanos@apple.com (JONATHAN E HAWES)
Subject: Looking for Dysan Disk Diagnostics Prgm. (DDD.COM)
Message-ID: <28503@cup.portal.com>
I am looking for a copy of a particular program. It is the Dysan Disk
Diagnostics program, set up for a Xerox 820-II, so that it may be used
on both the 5.25" and the 8" drives.
Is there anyone who knows what I'm talking about? Has anyone ever heard
of such a thing? Does anyone have source of MORE info?
As usual, I appreciate any help from those wiser than myself...
Which lately is most everybody.
Thanks,
Jonathan Hawes......................................Jhanos@cup.portal.com
" No disclaimer... even I don't admit to anything! "
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Date: 3 Apr 90 19:05:49 GMT
From: cucstud!tfd!kent@uunet.uu.net (Kent Hauser)
Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX
Message-ID: <1814@tfd.UUCP>
I need to run a old CP/M-80 compiler under unix. Does anyone have a
simulator + z80-interpreter suitable for use under SunOS 3.x
(MC68020 host)?
Thanks.
Kent
--
Kent Hauser UUCP: {uunet, sun!sundc}!tfd!kent
Twenty-First Designs INET: kent@tfd.uu.net
(202) 408-0841
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Date: 5 Apr 90 03:49:43 GMT
From: bu.edu!xylogics!world!madd@purdue.edu (jim frost)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <1990Apr5.034943.21945@world.std.com>
JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes:
>Aside from the compatibility, there is no reason why ANYONE should be
>*%&('ing using any of Intel's higher-level processors.
I still smile when I think of what the Intel salesperson must have
said when the order came in:
Sales: "Hello?"
IBM: "We'd like to order some 8088 processors."
Sales: "Oh, the Coke Machine processor. Sure, how many?"
IBM: "Ten million."
Sales: "Ten million Coke Machine processors? How many Coke Machines
are you planning to build, anyway?"
IBM: "We're not. We're going to make a personal computer out of
them."
Sales: "Out of a COKE MACHINE processor? Whatever. They'll be there
next week."
jim frost
saber software
jimf@saber.com
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Date: 2 Apr 90 12:07:36 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!stcns3!dave@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types
Message-ID: <2684@stcns3.stc.oz.AU>
I believe that this got asked some time ago, but I can't find any
reference to it, so perhaps someone will be (ahem) good enough to
answer...
I've snarfed UUCP20I.LBR from the SIMTEL server, and unpacked it.
However, there are some files of the form *.DYC etc, which I gather is
some compressed format. Nothing in the documentation kit (in
CPM.STARTER-KIT) seems to give any indication as to what is required to
uncompress it.
So, what do I need to retrieve this time? And while I have your
attention, is there anything else I need to know about the UUCP kit?
I guess it's all documented in the README.DYC file, once I finally
extract it...
Thanks for any replies, from a born-again CP/M lover...
--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) Alcatel STC Australia dave@stcns3.stc.oz.AU
dave%stcns3.stc.oz.AU@uunet.UU.NET ...munnari!stcns3.stc.oz.AU!dave
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Date: 3 Apr 90 20:58:11 GMT
From: ficc!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Xerox 820-II Questions.
Message-ID: <-SO2E1xds13@ficc.uu.net>
I recently acquired an old Xerox 820-2 for the princely sum of $20, and
I was wondering about software, hardware, etc.
I have:
Xerox 820-2
Keyboard
Dual 8" SD floppy drives (250K IBM format)
Dial 5.25" ?D floppy drives (?format)
Extra motherboard and some hardware in a box, along with
some release notes for a hard-drive upgrade. No
drive though. :-<
Xerox CP/M 8" distribution disk.
Select WordProcessor.
Mountain View Press Forth.
Various random things on 8" diskettes.
The system doesn't seem to support 8" and 5.25" drives at the same time:
at least there's nothing to daisychain them. It doesn't seem to have the
Double Density option installed, either. Anyone know where I can get a
Xerox 5.25" distribution disk? (does Xerox still sell them, and if so who
do I call?) How about the DD upgrade?
I'd also like to get Kermit on the 8" drives, so I can transfer stuff to
and from it. And a C compiler would be nice (:->).
--
_--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>.
/ \ 'U`
\_.--._/
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 90 04:15:26 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #55
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 5 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 55
Today's Topics:
Cruncher to go with Uncruncher I posted
UUCP and 'Y' file types
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Date: 4 Apr 90 17:34:49 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Cruncher to go with Uncruncher I posted
Message-ID: <2820@sactoh0.UUCP>
As promised, I said I would post the LZH cruncher to go with the
LZH uncruncher. The entire library for this utility can be found
at SIMTEL20 as PD2:<CPM.SQUSQ>UCRLZH11.LBR
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Date: 4 Apr 90 17:27:42 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types
Message-ID: <2819@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <2684@stcns3.stc.oz.AU>, dave@stcns3.stc.oz.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>
> I've snarfed UUCP20I.LBR from the SIMTEL server, and unpacked it.
> However, there are some files of the form *.DYC etc, which I gather is
> some compressed format. Nothing in the documentation kit (in
> CPM.STARTER-KIT) seems to give any indication as to what is required to
> uncompress it.
>
This kind of file requires an uncruncher which uses the LZH
compression algorithm. I will post it for you and the rest of the
world here. You can also use it to uncrunch ?Z? (GEL algorithm)
and ?Q? (Huffman algorithm) files. I'll also post the cruncher.
---------- Cut, slice, saw, chop, slash, whatever, here --------
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Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 6-Apr-90 09:24:28
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 90 09:24:25 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #56
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 6 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 56
Today's Topics:
Ampro Disk Formatter
NEC APC
Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX (2 msgs)
Non-Intel Bashing...
UUCP and 'Y' file types (2 msgs)
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Date: 5 Apr 90 11:14:25 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Ampro Disk Formatter
Message-ID: <2828@sactoh0.UUCP>
Does anyone out there know whether the guy who wrote Megadisk
(which is on SIMTEL, and I snagged it) made Megadisk such that it
could format yet? I would very much like to know.
Alternatively, does anyone know of some PD disk formatters for the
Ampro Little Board which are like Megadisk? I would like to know
this very much. Thanks in advance!
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 90 16:18:20 CST
From: Rob Caton <C08926RC@wuvmd.bitnet>
Subject: NEC APC
Message-ID: <9004052123.AA15699@wugate.wustl.edu>
I have an NEC APC with a single 8" floppy and an external 10 meg
hard drive. This is a CP/M-86 machine.
For some reason, very few programs will execute off of the hard drive.
I have had success with a few system programs, but others (including
PIP) will not work. These same programs work fine when run on the
8" drive.
Does anyone have an idea why this is so?
Thanks!
Rob Caton
C08926RC@WUVMD.Bitnet
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Date: 6 Apr 90 01:36:38 GMT
From: mailrus!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!tmsoft!robohack!druid!darcy@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX
Message-ID: <1990Apr6.013638.27835@druid.uucp>
In article <1814@tfd.UUCP> kent@tfd.UUCP (Kent Hauser) writes:
>I need to run a old CP/M-80 compiler under unix. Does anyone have a
>simulator + z80-interpreter suitable for use under SunOS 3.x
>(MC68020 host)?
Funny you should ask. I am writing one as we speak (type?). I have just
about finished the instuction decoding functions (8080 - Z80 will be an
enhancement one day.) The next step will be to emulate the CP/M OS.
If someone else has done this I sure would like to hear from them to see
how they solved various problems. Perhaps we can share notes.
Once finished I will be putting it into the public domain. It is being
designed to run on different processors with some mods mainly to the
register structures to account for endian-ness.
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Date: 6 Apr 90 14:08:34 GMT
From: pegasus!richard@humu.nosc.mil (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX
Message-ID: <1990Apr6.140834.2811@pegasus.com>
In article <1990Apr6.013638.27835@druid.uucp> darcy@druid.UUCP (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes:
>In article <1814@tfd.UUCP> kent@tfd.UUCP (Kent Hauser) writes:
>>I need to run a old CP/M-80 compiler under unix. Does anyone have a
>>simulator + z80-interpreter suitable for use under SunOS 3.x
>>(MC68020 host)?
>
>Funny you should ask. I am writing one as we speak (type?). I have just
>about finished the instuction decoding functions (8080 - Z80 will be an
>enhancement one day.) The next step will be to emulate the CP/M OS.
>
>If someone else has done this I sure would like to hear from them to see
>how they solved various problems. Perhaps we can share notes.
Yes it's been done. I think it came from the U. of Maryland. We got
a tape from them a few years ago that included it. Sorry I can't
remember more details at the moment, if no one else can help out I'll
see if we still have the tape somewhere.
The author was Chris T. or something like that...?
--
Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com
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Date: 6 Apr 90 03:01:38 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!tank!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!eniac.seas.upenn.edu!chaim@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Chaim Dworkin)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <22888@netnews.upenn.edu>
In article <9004040702.AA08985@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes:
>
>
>Someone should come up with the guts and money to speed up Z80;
>with current AS-TTL technology, we can pull it up to 100MHz!!! Look
>out Intel (Intel does, however, make some mean peripheral chips.)!
>
Someone already has put out a fast Z80. Steve Circia used it in his
CP/M computer described in one of his articles in Byte a couple years
ago.
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Date: 5 Apr 90 16:59:32 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!hamal.usc.edu!mead@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dick Mead)
Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types
Message-ID: <23918@usc.edu>
Just in case many of you are unaware, and since it seems to
be continually overlooked, there is also a utility called LT,
which is currently LT29, I think, which is a file typing/extracting
utility which handles ?Q? and ?Y? and ?Z? compressed files and also
LBR's and ARK's. I do believe it is on Simtel, and certainly on most
RCPM's (including mine, Pasadena ZNode 36 (818) 799-1632). Just FYI.
Dick Mead <mead@hamal.usc.edu>
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Date: 5 Apr 90 23:10:57 GMT
From: m2c!wpi!ggray@husc6.harvard.edu (Gary P Gray)
Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types
Message-ID: <10987@wpi.wpi.edu>
In article <2819@sactoh0.UUCP> ianj@sactoh0.UUCP (Ian R. Justman) writes:
>This kind of file requires an uncruncher which uses the LZH
>compression algorithm. I will post it for you and the rest of the
>world here. You can also use it to uncrunch ?Z? (GEL algorithm)
>and ?Q? (Huffman algorithm) files. I'll also post the cruncher.
For some reason, my Osborne Executive has always choked on this program (as
well as the normal crunch/uncrunch program.) I have gotten around this by
using uncrunchers on other machines (such as uncr233 on the IBM.) Does anyone
have a C source code for an uncruncher for ?Y? compression (or anyone want to
tell me why the Osborne gags on these programs in the first place :) I tried
several other LZH decompressors on various machines, but they didn't recognize
the compressed file. The source might be in the .LBR distribution, but (of
course) it was in LZH format and thus totally useless to me.
(BTW, I found that the de-ark program's Z-80 version also died on the Osborne,
but the 8080 version works just fine. Yes, the Osborne *does* have a Z-80 in
it...)
--
-- WARNING!!! The above opinions may be HAZARDOUS or FATAL if swallowed!!! --
"Hey babe, what's your wavelength?" | Gary Gray -- ggray@wpi.wpi.edu
Louis deBroglie's pick up line. | GEnie: GGRAY6
(Get .sigs, (new and used) at Honest Ahabs' Sig-orama. Sigs made to order)
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Date: Sat, 7 Apr 90 11:15:07 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #57
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 7 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 57
Today's Topics:
ADM/VT100 emulators.
BYE5 Insert for Molecular 32
cpm software
Kaypro termcap
looking for a RSX that sets the CP/M+ error byte
Non-Intel Bashing... (2 msgs)
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Date: 3 Apr 90 18:12:50 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (Manic Minstrel.)
Subject: ADM/VT100 emulators.
Message-ID: <5839.2618e7a2@vax1.tcd.ie>
OK,
I would like to speak to anyone who has managed to get a copy of QTERM running
on a Northstar Advantage.
Failing this has anyone got an ADM3A emulator for the Northstar?
Thanks in Advance.
--
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<J. lives at JFSENIOR@vax1.tcd.ie (no smart remarks 'bout opinions neither.)>
< And if that doesn't work uh, then you can't mail me - nyahh! >
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Date: 6 Apr 90 15:45:00 GMT
From: dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!darth!insight!bhh@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Brian Hughes)
Subject: BYE5 Insert for Molecular 32
Message-ID: <49.261D8163@insight.FIDONET.ORG>
Does anyone have, or know if there is available, a bye5 insert for the molecular line of CP/M machines?
Thanks!
--
FidoNet : 1:129/65.1 Insight BBS UUCP/SEAdog/Kitten (412) 487-3701
UUCP : ..pitt!darth!insight!bhh
: ..{psuvax1|decvax|cadre|}!idis!insight!bhh
: bhh@insight.fidonet.org
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Date: 6 Apr 90 18:50:03 GMT
From: cica!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!samsung!sdd.hp.com!ncr-sd!se-sd!shin@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Chang Shin)
Subject: cpm software
Message-ID: <2577@se-sd.NCR.COM>
a
I recently bought a Z80 machine, and I am looking for softwares for
this machine. I don't even have CPM. I am running DOS 2.11. Anybody
have software that I can buy or copy ???
Thanks....
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Date: 5 Apr 90 20:41:09 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson)
Subject: Kaypro termcap
Message-ID: <1428@mindlink.UUCP>
I've just gotten a termcap for my '84 Kaypro up and running here. I'm not sure
if I've got all the bugs worked out of it yet, and I have yet to split it into
two entries, `kp83' and `kp84'. If anybody still needs it in two weeks time,
send me mail and I will send you the completed termcap.
-CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP )
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Date: 6 Apr 90 12:13:18 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!dciem!uucp@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: looking for a RSX that sets the CP/M+ error byte
Message-ID: <3046@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca>
As most know, submit.com under CP/M+ will skip a line that starts
with the ':' character if the poorly documented CP/M+ error byte is
set. Most compilers and assemblers (SLR's assemblers are an exception)
don't set the error byte on error. Sometime back, I remember noticing a
{arc,ark,lbr} released (perhaps by Mike of tektronics?) of make that
generated a .sub file after parsing a makefile - the .sub file used
the ':' mechanism. Also included were example .mac files to make .RSX's
that attach to Aztec C'c cc.com, as.com and ln.com to monitor the
stderr output setting the error flag if error count reported is
greater than zero. Does anyone else remember seeing this; what
was the file name? A large BBS has given me somewhat
priv.access - given the correct filename to search for, I should
be able to find the file on it's backup WORM storage.
Thanks for any and all help,
Larry Moore
------------------------------
Date: 4 Apr 90 21:09:49 GMT
From: mojo!chuck@mimsy.umd.edu (Chuck Harris)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <1990Apr4.210949.18187@eng.umd.edu>
In article <9004040702.AA08985@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes:
>
>Hmmmm.....
>
>This is a serious matter, you see.
>
>Personally, I think everything that Intel has ever come up with tend to
>be rather demented; especially the iAPX86 family. The segmentation system
- I won't even touch this!
>is totally absurd. The Queues on the lower processors are totally
- Think 1979. Transistors on VLSI chips were rather expensive and limited in
- number. In 1980 the 68000 came out it didn't have any queues at all!
>mundane. The processing time is totally outrageous. The architecture
>(the way they have the registers set up) makes absolutely no sense.
>
- I assume that you are talking about the use of CX as a count register
- in loops, and the implied use of ES and DS in the movs instruction.
- The reason these instructions use "implied" registers is make programs
- using them use less memory. An admirable thing to do in 1979 (and 1990 too)
>Aside from the compatibility, there is no reason why ANYONE should be
>*%&('ing using any of Intel's higher-level processors. Intel-compatible
>op. codes are assembler programmers' worst nightmare - they are as
>far away from natural language as humanly possible.
>
- BURP! I feel better too.
- Binary Numeric OP codes are rather traditional among computers.
- I mean seriously, do you program in machine code? Opcodes are the numbers
- the machine uses to encode its different instructions.
- Do you mean the assembler's Mnemonics? If you do, mnemonics like MOV, JMP
- INC, NOP had been with computers a long time before microprocessors existed.
>it out of production. 8086 makes as much sense as a pile of rocks
>in the middle of Interstate 91.
- BURP!
>level), I think there is a reason why:
> -people abandoned 8080 for Z80
> -people abandoned 8086 for 68000
> -people never thought of using 8086 where they are using 32000 and Z80,000
> these days.
>(oops; I forgot a "but" in the paragraph above.)
- This needs some comment. In the CP/M programs that I have seen very few make
- use of the z80 extended instruction set. Most people wanted their programs
- to work on as many machines as possible be they 8080, 8085, or z80.
-
- IMHO the reason the z80 was used in so many of the CPM machines had NOTHING
- to do with its instruction set. It was used because of the hardware
- simplification it provided by giving DRAM support for free. The engineers
- didn't have to do anything to make DRAM work. Which was a good thing,
- because most engineers who tried to make DRAM controllers back then botched
- them but good. (think MITS ALTAIR)
- As to abandoning the 80x86 for the 68000, I can program each efficiently, yet
- I prefer to use the 80x86 family. Why, because the hardware is simpler to
- design around, and I can fit very substantial programs in very small memory
- space. I can't with the 68000 family.
>Someone should come up with the guts and money to speed up Z80;
- already been done (well not quite that fast) Think Hitachi.
- But seriously, speeding up the z80 won't scare Intel or anyone else. What
- most people are looking for today is hardware that can handle LARGE complex
- programs with wide address spaces. Both the 80386 and the 68030 do this
- very well. A fast z80 couldn't even enter the race.
>with current AS-TTL technology, we can pull it up to 100MHz!!! Look
>out Intel (Intel does, however, make some mean peripheral chips.)!
>
> -John
Mild Ruminitions from,
Chuck Harris
C.F. Harris - Consulting
------------------------------
Date: 5 Apr 90 20:38:40 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <1427@mindlink.UUCP>
> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET writes:
>
> Someone should come up with the guts and money to speed up Z80;
> with current AS-TTL technology, we can pull it up to 100MHz!!!
Well, I personally think that that would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how
necessary it is. I currently do all my word processing on a Kaypro II with a
couple of floppy drives, and in most cases it's considerably faster than an
hard drive equipped IBM AT. My total time from boot up to the opening screen
of WordStar is less than ten seconds. My modem program is a heck of a lot
faster to move around in and dial than Telix, too. I think that the CP/M
machines are still d*mn useful, even if they are "obselete." And after setting
up a brand new Mac with a hard drive for someone, I wouldn't hesitate to
recommend a used Kaypro or whatever (assuming it came with the original disks
and manuals) to any computer novice looking for an easy-to-use basic word
processing system. (I'll reccomend the Mac to anyone who likes to spend hours
fiddling with FontMovers and obscure setup commands for desktop accessories and
the like.)
-CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP )
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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 90 18:15:12 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #58
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 8 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 58
Today's Topics:
cpm software
Molecular computers
Non-Intel Bashing...
Non-Intel Bashing... >> INTEL ROTS! <<
Why Bother With CP/M? (2 msgs)
Xerox 820 serial port.
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Date: 8 Apr 90 21:05:13 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin)
Subject: cpm software
Message-ID: <80@simasd.UUCP>
It would be helpful to those who might be able to help you to know what make
and model your Z80 machine is. As you probably are aware, each manufacturer
elected to use his own combination of port addresses and peripheral chips, and
CP/M is not very portable from one make (sometimes, one model) of machine to
another.
Do I also infer that you are running DOS 2.11 on the same machine? There are
only a few that have that dual capability.
UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Date: 8 Apr 90 18:31:24 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@decwrl.dec.com (William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: Molecular computers
Message-ID: <28714@cup.portal.com>
I recently recieved a new computer (oh god, not another one!)
The front panel says 'Molecular Computers Supermicro X', and the
back panel states model number 60-32.
Out side of being HUGE, its a little bizzare. It has a DSDD 8" floppy,
a standard size QIC tape drive, and some kinda hard drive, Priam I think.
It also has a bunch of boards plugged into some kinda buss on the back,
each board has two RS-232 plugs (or what looks like RS-232 plugs).
Also, not on the buss, is two more RS-232 plugs. Main consoles or printer,
I guess?
Anyways. I power the monster up, the hard drive makes a lotta noise,
but it doesnt boot. I put a blank floppy in the drive, and after
awhile it seeks the drive.
Is there someone who could send me a boot disk for this thing? Along
with some of the needed utilities (floppy, tape and hard drive format,
etc). This looks like it could be an insane system, and Id love to
get it running.
Many thanx in advance!
Billy D'Augustine
Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
(201)989-8161
PS: it would be best to recive a voice call. Im having troubles with our
server for UseNet, and may not be able to answer mail!
------------------------------
Date: 7 Apr 90 19:46:51 GMT
From: ficc!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <E+R2LZ2ggpc2@ficc.uu.net>
> - I prefer to use the 80x86 family. Why, because the hardware is simpler to
> - design around, and I can fit very substantial programs in very small memory
> - space.
Making a virtue of necsssity, eh?
> I can't with the 68000 family.
Ever hear of threaded languages? Besides, if you're really cramming memory
you'd probably be better off with one of those 8-bit microcontrollers.
--
_--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>.
/ \ 'U`
\_.--._/
v
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Date: 7 Apr 90 16:58:07 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... >> INTEL ROTS! <<
Message-ID: <2215@ariel.unm.edu>
Ahem...ever hear of the Z280? of course not, you seem to be too preoccupied
with the intel garbage to notice. (Think: Can you trust a company who's
logo is falling apart? i think not.) the Z280 was developed as a contender
for the 286 processor. except that it handles memory THE RIGHT WAY. With
linear addressing. none of this segmented memory wank-splut. it does top
out at a clock speed of 12MHz, but that is comparable to a 286 at about
40 MHz!! The 286's internal arcitechture is the lousyist design for anything
*BUT* msdos (the toaster operating system. makes great bread, but nothing
else...)
Techs @ the aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub (Don't ask where the name
came from, it won't
enhance your life that much)
Intel processors arn't worth the plastic they're packaged in...
------------------------------
Date: 6 Apr 90 20:43:00 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucsd.edu (Curt Sampson)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <1435@mindlink.UUCP>
> karn@jupiter..bellcore.com writes:
>
> Yes, my code did indeed begin life on CP/M, specifically the Xerox 820.
> But this was five years ago, and much has happened in the meantime to PC
> clone pricing and availability to make me wonder why anybody would still
> be interested in CP/M. With XT clone boards having bottomed out at $60
> or so, and with a well-established and highly competitive supplier network
> supporting PC technology, why bother with Z-80s and CP/M? I just don't see
> the point.
There are several reasons. One is cost. I bought a Kaypro 4 for $200, which
is the price of two double sided drives up here. (Buy two drives, get computer
thrown in free! What a deal!) To get an equivalant IBM system would have cost
me about $500-$600 for the hardware and probably another couple hundred for the
software. A good electronic type writer costs as much as my whole system (it
cost me another $85 for the printer).
Another reason is speed. My Kaypro runs faster for non-number crunching tasks
than an 8 MHz XT with floppy drives (and in some cases, even a hard drive
system). There's no way that a machine can load a 200K program faster than a
machine can load a 25K program. And because the CP/M machine is doing a lot
less, even with less processing power it is often faster. I get by fine
without a lot of the extras that the IBM programs do. (I have no particular
need for windows.)
The last reason is that it's fun! CP/M machines are simple enough that you can
play around and hack with the OS without any major problems. If this is what
makes someone happy, then that's what they should be doing, no matter how cheap
XT motherboards are.
I'm not trying to start any kind of a "my computer is better than yours" war
here, just trying to point out why I prefer my CP/M machine to my IBM XT clone.
(I just bought the XT clone to run a BBS.) Feel free to flame me though--just
send it to net.comp.amiga. :-)
-CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP )
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Date: 8 Apr 90 18:09:22 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <2227@ariel.unm.edu>
No kidding! I have come across TWO S100 CP/M machines, both with nice hardware
(HDU, consoles, etc) for FREE. when you realize the raw power that a z80 has
you can see why many of us "who are stuck in the past" LIKE the Z80! according
to a test done by a friend of mine (also reachable through this common account;
email to Dent / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu) the Z80a at 4MHz does a MIP. far as I can
tell, the IBM XT doesn't even come close to a MIP. Back to my topic tho... the
BIG Z80B machine @ 6MHz runs considerably faster than a 286 /16MHz machine..
when you throw in the 80mb hard drive and a hacked up copy of Uzi (very nice)
this machine does more than i could ever want in a personal computer. ( for any
one thats ever used ariel.unm.edu, this machine is comparable. (not it power, but
in time that it responds to user requests. )) anyways...
Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz common account
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Date: 8 Apr 90 18:35:47 GMT
From: ficc!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Xerox 820 serial port.
Message-ID: <+SS2BP5ggpc2@ficc.uu.net>
Hi, it's me again.
I have discovered a really dumb terminal program in the BDS-C compiler
distribution. It's called "telnet". I need specs on the Xerox 820 serial
ports (addresses, commands, etc). Actually, I need lots of specs on the
820-2 (yes, it's a -2... it beeps on self-test), but this will do for a
start.
Also...
Is there a disk copy command out there that copies more than 1 track at
a time? My wife is getting sick of hearing "klunk-klunk" 77 times every
time I copy something. A disk test program would also help...
--
_--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>.
/ \ 'U`
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v
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 90 18:15:09 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #59
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 9 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 59
Today's Topics:
3.5" on 8" Controller?
CP/M-68K software
Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX
Non-Intel Bashing...
QTERM for the northstar Advantage
Why Bother With CP/M?
Xerox 820 serial port.
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Date: 9 Apr 90 23:14:55 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <54671@bbn.COM>
In my brief email exchange with Wayne Hortensius, he mentioned that he'd
succeeded in using AT-style 1.2Meg 5.25" drives on a Cromemco Z2H as an
8" drive. I've had no luck in reaching him via email, so I never learned
the details of his work.
It has since occurred to me that one might be able to do the same thing
with 3.5" drives. In fact, I thought someone had told me that they'd
done it. Has anyone on the net used a 3.5" drive on an 8" controller?
What did it involve, besides some cabling? Any caveats?
-Jim.
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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 90 22:02:46 -0500
From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox)
Subject: CP/M-68K software
Message-ID: <9004090302.AA09162@emx.utexas.edu>
Thomas, TriSoft may be able to help you with some CP/M-68K software.
I know they still have BASIC, FORTRAN, and PASCAL in stock. You might
also check the SIMTEL20 archives, there are a lot of utilities and
such in the CPM68K directory. I believe someone was also converting
a version of C-KERMIT for CP/M-68K. We never did it for our machines,
since they also had Z80's and we just used that processor for things
that were line-limited anyway. I DO have an old copy of a stripped
down version of MODEM7 for -68K, but it is VERY buggy and the guy who
wrote it never had time to improve it.
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Date: 8 Apr 90 22:15:55 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!bruce!trlluna!rhea.trl.oz.au!aduncan@decwrl.dec.com (Allan Duncan)
Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX
Message-ID: <1284@trlluna.trl.oz>
From article <1990Apr6.013638.27835@druid.uucp>, by darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain):
> In article <1814@tfd.UUCP> kent@tfd.UUCP (Kent Hauser) writes:
>>I need to run a old CP/M-80 compiler under unix. Does anyone have a
>>simulator + z80-interpreter suitable for use under SunOS 3.x
>>(MC68020 host)?
>
> Funny you should ask. I am writing one as we speak (type?). I have just
> about finished the instuction decoding functions (8080 - Z80 will be an
> enhancement one day.) The next step will be to emulate the CP/M OS.
>
> If someone else has done this I sure would like to hear from them to see
> how they solved various problems. Perhaps we can share notes.
There are a couple available for the Amiga, which has source provided.
I haven't looked at them in detail, but both also emulate a connected
terminal. One has the source in assembler (68K), the other I'm not
sure, but it is probably also assembler (the author includes his assembler
and its source on the same disk).
The bulk of the code would be transportable, only the i/o would need to
be changed.
Allan Duncan ACSnet a.duncan@trl.oz
ARPA a.duncan%trl.oz.au@uunet.uu.net
UUCP {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz.au!a.duncan
Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia.
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Date: 9 Apr 90 19:52:24 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dccs.upenn.edu!litwack@ucsd.edu (Mark Litwack)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <23000@netnews.upenn.edu>
Zilog will be releasing a 12.5Mhz and 25Mhz version of the Z-280 this May.
The Z-80 family isn't dead yet.
-mark
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Date: 9 Apr 90 05:21:25 GMT
From: platt@boulder.colorado.edu (The Crouton Man)
Subject: QTERM for the northstar Advantage
Message-ID: <19434@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
: From: jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (Manic Minstrel.)
: Message-ID: <5839.2618e7a2@vax1.tcd.ie>
:
: I would like to speak to anyone who has managed to get a copy of QTERM
: running
: on a Northstar Advantage.
:
: Failing this has anyone got an ADM3A emulator for the Northstar?
i am running QT on a Northstart Advantage... i have a copy of the
Northstar patch thanks to Dave Goodenough (his e-mail address is the
the docs.. as he wrote it). a friend of mine and i are trying to
add to it some of the VT100 features, like line insert. and get
rid of some of the bugs. (will probably get back to it over the
summer, as everything is / will be coming down on us in school
in the next month). one or two things you will need to do:
1) make sure that the version of the patch that you get disables
the extended, or high bit keys.. on the advantage, this includes
all the function keys, and the keypad (when cursor lock is on)
(this causes the many program to hang, or if that is fixxed,
then send a break to the outside world.. which is not good
either) the way we have temporarily fixxed it is to simply
strip the high bit off...
2) you will need a modified termcap if you are running on a
unix system. On VMS i have had real problems trying to edit
because the kepad is deactivated...
We are hoping to get these "features" fixxed this summer,
and if there is still room to move, add some of the extra
charicter sets and things to it, to make it fully VT100
compat. But first i just want to get things like line
insert/delete and the keyboard to fully work.
as for getting the ADM3A to work, i doubt it, as all the
port addresses are unique to the Advantage (the horizon
isn't even compat with the advantage)
some of the nice features of QTERM are the built in x/y modem
and kermit protocal.
when i get the current patch uploaded to my unix account, i
will be able to mail it off to any one who wants it.. just
e-mail me... also, i will try to get the modified patch out
when i get it running, later this summer i hope.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=- The Crouton Man -=- platt@tramp.colorado.edu -=-
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: 9 Apr 90 07:32:12 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!freja.diku.dk!skinfaxe.diku.dk!jensting@ucsd.edu (Jens Tingleff)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <1990Apr9.073212.23646@diku.dk>
While on the subject of cheap systems, I bought a CP/M-68k system
(8MHz 68000, 0.5 MB, 2x1MB drives, .....) for appr. $400. The
original list price was some $8000 (yes, 20 times as much), back
in the dark ages (spring -85). Of course, until the C compiler
appeared in comp.os.minix, I had practically given up on using it
due to the nature of the Alcyon CC.
The reason for the cheapness was CP/M, meaning NO software avaiable
(the only software I found was an Modula-2 compiler, at the same
price as a single-user license for a SUN...).
Today, I couldn't even sell it without loosing money. Some day
I'll overcome my nostalgia, and sell it as scrap. SIGH.
Jens
jensting@diku.dk is
Jens Tingleff MSc EE, Research Assistent at DIKU
Institute of Computer Science, Copenhagen University
Snail mail: DIKU Universitetsparken 1 DK2100 KBH O
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Date: 9 Apr 90 21:58:32 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: Xerox 820 serial port.
Message-ID: <2240@ariel.unm.edu>
Re: Xerox 820 specs.. Hmm.. i have that same BDS-C distribution.. somewhere i
have specs.. noo.. guess not.. only thing i have on the 820 is a init porgram
that was distributed as a sample for Z80MU (an IBM CP/M Emulator. Very nice. get
a copy today.)
Re: Quick Copy. Yes! There IS a copy program out there. its called QCP.COM it
will grab the disk every 20 tracks or so. also works with 5" drives (there
is a considerable set of overlay files in the archive for darn near every
S100 (and some non-S100) controller boards.. Only thing is, the code is
set up for copying from A: to B: and the source to the actual4 program is
NOT distributed (although, with a good disassembler such as ZDis you can make
a copy..)
Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account.
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #60
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INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 10 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 60
Today's Topics:
3.5" on 8" Controller?
An Intel-Bashing...
Fast Z-80
Non-Intel Bashing... (2 msgs)
Why Bother With CP/M? (2 msgs)
Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix
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Date: 10 Apr 90 00:25:27 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!gvgpsa!gold!grege@uunet.uu.net (Gregory Ebert)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <904@gold.GVG.TEK.COM>
I have looked into putting a 3.5" on my 8" controller, and the only
differences I could find are (1) the MOTOR_ON signal for the 3.5"
drive -- it can be tied to DRIVE_SELx on the 8" drive, and (2) the
3.5" drive has seperate signals for DIRECTION and SIDE_SELECT, whereas
the 8" drive 'muxes' them. The data rates are identical. You will need
to tweak the stepper rate for the head.
There is (was ?) a 5.25" drive by Mitsubishi which is (was?) electrically
interchangeable with a 8" DSDD drive. It could store up to 1.6MB formatted.
Unfortunately, having just moved, gotten a new job, and being a new
first-time daddy, I haven't had time to _actually_ do it yet. As soon
as the &^%#@&$ doctor bills are paid, I'll snag a drive and try it.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 90 20:20 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: An Intel-Bashing...
No, I would not buy much from a company whose logo is falling apart...
No, I do not think "DXC B" makes any more sense than "DEC BC," regardless
of how old it is, and how used to it you are.
No, I do not care how "inherently" memory efficient the processor is. The
fact that most useful PC programs are way-way beyond 64K (i.e., the "segment"
size) totally boggles my mind. What do they have to do to make that happen?
You get a processor that is approximately 30% more efficient and blow the
code up quadruple!? Fine; be like that. After a while, memory efficiency
just has to give way to the programmer efficiency and execution rate.
And, finally, NO WAY is the 8086 easier to deal with hardware-wise than, say
Z8000 or 32000 or 68000. Maybe my problem is that it takes me a while
to remember what exactly /BHE, /RQand A16/S3 stand for. But, then
again, what exactly they do generally escape the conventional wisdom...
unless your conventional wisdom is confined to Intel architecture.
I know Intel is getting better at it every day, but the problem is, they
need to get better. (80186 is an successful effort in clearing up a lot
of the hardware peculiarities...)
Whatever. Hear from you!
-John S.
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Date: Sat, 7 Apr 90 12:13 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Fast Z-80
Yeah, but the fastest that is really available are Z-80H, running at
8MHz. Faster ones are called 180 and 280, and they are a bit too complicated
to be speeded up that much or to remain our dear friend...
-John
P.S. Z80H used to be 10 MHz in the development stage. I don't know what
happened, but everyone, including Zilog, AMD, Hitachi..., decided that
it will just run fine at 8. Oh, well.
------------------------------
Date: 9 Apr 90 22:54:52 GMT
From: ficc!korenek@uunet.uu.net (Gary Korenek)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <GRT23E1ccs@ficc.uu.net>
In article <1990Apr4.210949.18187@eng.umd.edu>, chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris) writes:
>In article <9004040702.AA08985@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes:
>>[stuff deleted...]
>>Hmmmm.....
>>This is a serious matter, you see.
>>Personally, I think everything that Intel has ever come up with tend to
>>be rather demented; especially the iAPX86 family. The segmentation system
>- I won't even touch this!
>[more stuff deleted...]
IMHO, a _really_ twisted microprocessor is the RCA 1802. No "CALL"
or "RETURN" instructions, for example. If you want subroutines, you
have to execute "CALL" code (that you have to include), and for the
subroutine to return, the subroutine has to execute "RETURN" code
(that you also must provide!).
I learned to program in the machine-instruction world with the INTEL
8080. This was back in the days when S-100 machines (IMSAI 8080, Altair,
Cromemco, North Star, etc.) were the "going thing". The 8080 then seemed
to be a straightforward processor.
I then worked with the Z-80. I remember thinking it to be more time
consuming to program (and debug) due to the increased number of insructions.
The Z-80, at the time, was the "hot chip".
Subconsciously, I use the 8080 as a reference processor (in terms of
simplicity). I suppose that I have a attachement to the 8080 because it
was the chip I learned on.
--
Gary Korenek (korenek@ficc.uu.net) | This space
Ferranti International Controls Corp. | intentionally
Sugar Land, Texas (713)274-5357 | left blank
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Date: 10 Apr 90 00:54:53 GMT
From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!ficc!peter@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <AUT2SW9ggpc2@ficc.uu.net>
In article <GRT23E1ccs@ficc.uu.net> korenek@ficc.uu.net (Gary Korenek) writes:
> IMHO, a _really_ twisted microprocessor is the RCA 1802. No "CALL"
> or "RETURN" instructions, for example. If you want subroutines, you
> have to execute "CALL" code (that you have to include), and for the
> subroutine to return, the subroutine has to execute "RETURN" code
> (that you also must provide!).
Awww, I like the 1802. 16 16-bit registers, any of which could be PC or
SP, but no 16-bit load-and-store instructions. It really could do calls
and returns, but only to coroutines by setting the PC. And it was a really
neat processor for FORTH, because the Forth threaded call was *faster*
than the Standard Call and Return Technique.
This is getting off the subject of CP/M. Followups to comp.misc.
(by the way, this is being posted from my Xerox 820 for the first time.
I still don't have anything that can speak any protocols... :-<)
--
_--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>.
/ \ 'U`
\_.--._/
v
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Date: 10 Apr 90 00:50:40 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!xylogics!world!madd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (jim frost)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <1990Apr10.005040.5877@world.std.com>
cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu (aNk1ez) writes:
>far as I can tell, the IBM XT doesn't even come close to a MIP.
About .4 mips at 4.77MHz with an 8086 (although you realize that
"mips" is pretty meaningless).
jim frost
saber software
jimf@saber.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 03:00:15 EDT
From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <XX000111df@pallio.UUCP>
A couple of points:
> According
> to a test done by a friend of mine (also reachable through this common
> account; email to Dent / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu) the Z80a at 4MHz does
> a MIP.
Only assuming it's executing single byte instructions. Something like
ld a,(0x1234)
takes 13 T states, so those done repeatedly would only achieve 1/3 MIP.
On average, I'd guess it'd hit about 1/2 MIP doing _REAL_ work, although
some instructions ('inc (ix + dd)' or 'call xxxx') really hog CPU T states.
On the other side though, it still chugs along nicely: a 4MHz Z80 can
do the CRC and data transfer to keep an Xmodem transfer going at up to
about 22000 BPS, and that's doing the CRC the hard way (i.e. bit banging),
with a table driven CRC, it'd probably exceed 38400 BPS.
Now, why do _I_ bother with CP/M: One reason is that you gotta keep it
small: 57K of TPA can vanish in a real hurry. Keeping it small usually
means keeping it simple, and simple programs are easier to write and
maintain.
--
dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+
IHS | +-+-+
..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ |
AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+
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Date: 9 Apr 90 22:14:59 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix
Message-ID: <5248@quack.UUCP>
I am writing a Z-80 emulator in C as part of a CP/M-on-unix package.
It will be PD if/when I finish it (except for the parts still
copyrighted by Digital Research, if any. Confirmation anyone?).
I am stuck on the DAA instruction. Does anyone have an algorithm
that will do this? I have two books that tell me WHAT DAA does,
but not HOW it does it. Sigh.
Is anyone interested in this package if/when I finish it? It's
fairly straightforward. The way it'll work is you make a file
of a certain size (or more than one, if you want), then specify
that file on the command line. That file will then be a CP/M
disk. You can also connect files to CP/M's devices, like
PTR:/PTP:, etc. The tough part will be getting BDOS/CCP installed.
I'm fairly sure BIOS won't present any major problems.
--
Nick Sayer - The Duck Pond public unix - 209-952-5347 (Telebit)
---------------------------------+---------------------------------
quack!mrapple@uop.edu !
...pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple ! And now, The Fish Slapping Dance
N6QQQ (145.75 - TCP/IP soon) !
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 15:17:10 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #61
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INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 10 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 61
Today's Topics:
3.5" on 8" Controller? (2 msgs)
c-cpm86 software
CP/M-68K software
kermit for amstrad PCV 8512?
Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX
No-Slot Clock?
Z80 Compilers
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Date: 10 Apr 90 06:23:50 GMT
From: njin!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!freja.diku.dk!skinfaxe.diku.dk!jensting@rutgers.edu (Jens Tingleff)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <1990Apr10.062350.29895@diku.dk>
gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
[..]
>done it. Has anyone on the net used a 3.5" drive on an 8" controller?
>What did it involve, besides some cabling? Any caveats?
Close, I use an 8" drive on a 5.25" controller (both running as high
density, i.e. 1.2 MB).
The difference that I know of, is that 3.5" drives use different
pull-up resistors (1 KOhm for 3.5", 300Ohm for 8" ??). This means that
you might not get away with quite the same length of cable.. .
Other than that, it should be a breeze (given that you can figure out the
settings of the dip-switches).
Jens
jensting@diku.dk is
Jens Tingleff MSc EE, Research Assistent at DIKU
Institute of Computer Science, Copenhagen University
Snail mail: DIKU Universitetsparken 1 DK2100 KBH O
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Date: 10 Apr 90 17:24:25 GMT
From: halibut.nosc.mil!koziarz@nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <2113@nosc.NOSC.MIL>
In article <1990Apr10.062350.29895@diku.dk> jensting@skinfaxe.diku.dk (Jens Tingleff) writes:
>
>The difference that I know of, is that 3.5" drives use different
>pull-up resistors (1 KOhm for 3.5", 300Ohm for 8" ??). This means that
>you might not get away with quite the same length of cable.. .
>Other than that, it should be a breeze (given that you can figure out the
>settings of the dip-switches).
>
> Jens
>
I would be incredibly grateful if anyone having success at this e-mail me some
insight. I am having a devil of a time dealing with timing. The 3.5s rotate
at 300 rpm and the 8s (and 5.25 hds) rotate at 360rpm. My system is a Zenith
Z-100 and I'm using a stock Z-207 floppy (5.25 & 8) controller.
Many thanks!!!
Walt K.
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Date: 10 Apr 90 15:37:43 GMT
From: halibut.nosc.mil!koziarz@nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: c-cpm86 software
Message-ID: <2112@nosc.NOSC.MIL>
I recently came into possesion of Concurrent CP/M-86 and am wondering where/how
to find some useful applications (do any still exist?) for this system. It
runs on a Zenith Z-100. I have no CP/M terminal emulator and feel like I'm in
kind of a 'chicken and egg' problem. I've got *lots* of MS-DOS terminal
emulators; but MS-DOS file formats are/seem to be incompatible with C-CP/M.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Walt K.
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Date: 10 Apr 90 06:25:16 GMT
From: njin!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!freja.diku.dk!skinfaxe.diku.dk!jensting@rutgers.edu (Jens Tingleff)
Subject: CP/M-68K software
Message-ID: <1990Apr10.062516.29990@diku.dk>
mknox@EMX.UTEXAS.EDU (Margaret H. Knox) writes:
>Thomas, TriSoft may be able to help you with some CP/M-68K software.
>I know they still have BASIC, FORTRAN, and PASCAL in stock. You might
Uhmm, could we (I) have the address, please.
Jens
jensting@diku.dk is
Jens Tingleff MSc EE, Research Assistent at DIKU
Institute of Computer Science, Copenhagen University
Snail mail: DIKU Universitetsparken 1 DK2100 KBH O
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Date: 10 Apr 90 15:22:40 GMT
From: mcsun!isgate!krafla!kjartan@uunet.uu.net (Kjartan R. Gudmundsson)
Subject: kermit for amstrad PCV 8512?
Message-ID: <1628@krafla.rhi.hi.is>
I am looking for cpm kermit for Amstrad PCV 8512.
If anyone has kermit for this computer on a 3" diskette I
would like to hear about it. I am asking for an other person
(I have never seen this computer) and I don't read this
newsgroup so please answer by email.
Thank you.
Kjartan R. Gudmundsson
Taeknigardur, Dunhaga 5
University of Iceland Internet: kjartan@rhi.hi.is
Reykjavik
Iceland
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Date: 10 Apr 90 00:06:21 GMT
From: pilchuck!nwnexus!slovax!jeff@uunet.uu.net (jeff)
Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX
Message-ID: <119@slovax.WA.COM>
I've got an emulator that I wrote in a couple of evenings that
emulates the z80/8080 intersection plus some of the simpler z80
extensions. All of the hooks are present to enhance to a full z80,
but since I haven't had a need (we've only used generic cpm, no z80
specific stuff) I've left it as is. It's also not lightning, but
it's portable to just about anything. It sports a simple debugger,
disassembler, (assembler was in the works) and both hex and binary
load and unload. An i/o mapped 'hardware' interface and bios were
also written. Disk support is currently limited to four (4) 256k
floppy equivalents (disk files under UNIX), but is easily changed.
If you're interested, let me know and I'll spend a little time
making it presentable and release it to netland.
Anyone out there that's done the same or similar thing, I'd be
interested in hearing how you overcame some of the obvious problems.
I'm also more than willing to bend anybody's ear regarding how I
did it.
jeff
----
[ jeff@SLOVAX.WA.COM -- Jeff Loucks, H(206)851-8908 W(206)967-8018 ]
--
[ jeff@SLOVAX.WA.COM -- Jeff Loucks, H(206)851-8908 W(206)967-8018 ]
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Date: 10 Apr 90 18:21:35 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: No-Slot Clock?
Message-ID: <54706@bbn.COM>
Back in December, Luke Weerts (luke@i88.isc.com) posted a recommendation
for the No-Slot Clock, a time-of-day clock that interfaces through one of
a system's ROM sockets. He reported that it worked well with his Kaypro.
He mentioned that ads for it appeared in Apple and PC magazines, but
provided no further vendor info. Has anyone succeeded in locating a
supplier for this device? I discovered a file called NOSLT20.LBR on
SIMTEL20, in PD2:<CPM.CLOCK>, so I gather that someone involved with
this list/newsgroup has had experience with this.
-Jim.
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 15:38 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: Z80 Compilers
Message-ID: <AFFEEB645CBF800FDF@uwplatt.edu>
>Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 00:35:52 EST
>From: Kevin J. Cummings <CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM>
>Subject: Z80 compilers
>
>I got a Z80 assembler from a DEC machine in Marlboro, MA years ago when they
>had a PD CP/M software repository there (to support their Rainbow and Robin
>machines). I forget the name of the system, but it was run by Bernie Eiben.
>Anyways, they had an assembler called ZASM which assembled source files with
>the .Z80 extension. It came in a .LBR file with ZASM.COM and ZASM.DOC.
>The .DOC file is quite extensive and describes the Z80 macro assembler.
>Among other things, it can produce .HEX or .REL files, but I thought that some
>of the pseduo-ops were either non-standard (not compatible with MAC/RMAC),
>or had various non-standard forms. When the assembler is invoked it claims to
>be the "CROMEMCO Z80 Macro Assembler version 03.04". I'm not sure if its been
>put in the PD by CROMEMCO (before they went under), but Ernie was pretty good
>about not keeping pirated software online. Is this also on SIMTEL20? I
>thought that most of the software I found in Marlboro was also on SIMTEL20.
I searched the simtel directorys for ZASM and so far have found ZASMB in
the SIGM Volume 281 directory, and Z33ZASM in the ZCPR33 directory. Is
ZASMB the same program as mentioned above?
Lance
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #62
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INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 11 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 62
Today's Topics:
3.5" on 8" Controller? (3 msgs)
Access Manager (8080) Documentation needed
Aztec C for CP/M Dropped
CP/M Emulator
Need a INKEY$ like command in S-BASIC
No-Slot Clock?
Why Bother With CP/M?
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 17:30:40 EST
From: Kevin J. Cummings <CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM>
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
A long time ago (years) California Digital (a clearing house for dis-continued
products and bargins) sold a 5.25" disk drive that they claimed was an 8"
drive electrically. I assumed that this means that it had the same electrical
interface (did that mean the same edge card connector wired the same way) as
an 8" drive did. I remember that the 8" drives used a 50 pin daisy chained
cable, while the 5.25" drives used a 34 pin cable (basically the same signals,
a few were different, in different places on the cable. I'm running 720K
3.5" drives on the same cable as my 40 and 80 track 5.25' drives (using the
same disk controller). I have nothing on my 8" controller (never bought
any 8" drives B^). I always wondered if I could add a HD 5.25 1.2MB drive
on the 8" controller? My 1.2MB drive on my IBM-compatible PC is hooked to
the same 34 pin connector as my 720K 3.5" drive. That sorta says no. Anyone
successfully run a 1.2MB drive on an 8" controller?
============================================================================
Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc.
20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass.
InterNet: CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM
CSNet: CUMMINGS%S55.Prime.COM@RELAY.CS.NET
UUCP: {uunet, csnet-relay}!S55.Prime.COM!CUMMINGS
Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration, I've come
to the conclusion that your new defense system SUCKS..."
============================================================================
------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 90 03:42:16 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@apple.com (William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <28783@cup.portal.com>
If you arent afraid of calling long distance (whereever you happen to
be!) try calling Holly Park (201)757-1491.
A fellow there has succeeded in installing 3.5" flops on a Xerox
with originally 8" flops. From what I gather, this does NOT worl
on a DEM-II unit.
No longer having a Xerox 820-II, I unfortunatly cant attempt this project.
Also, seems to require reburning ROMs, so the machine will know the new
allocations for the drives.
Billy D'Augustine
Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 90 15:20:06 GMT
From: ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@ee.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <19839@ea.ecn.purdue.edu>
How about putting 3.5" drives on a machine that expects 5.25", 96 tpi
drives? My TurboROM-equipped Kaypro can handle the 5.25 96 tpi drives -
are the 3.5" drives the same electrically? I know that I would need
to get an adapter to plug the drive into a regular floppy drive cable.
--
Jeff Wieland
wieland@ecn.purdue.edu
------------------------------
Date: 10 Apr 90 15:24:29 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!uhnix1!moray!nuchat!shell!svh@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Access Manager (8080) Documentation needed
Message-ID: <1711@shell.shell.com>
I'm looking for the documentation for the Digital Research product
of about 7-8 years ago called "Access Manager", that would run under
MP/M-II (cp/m-80). The PRL file was included with the distribution
disks for Network-OS, but there is no documentation in the Net-OS manuals
on how to use AM-80 (as it's called).
I would be glad to discuss buying this or paying the copying costs for
the manual.
The config program would be helpful, too.
(Note: want a laugh? Call up Digital Research and say "CP/M" and count
the seconds before the they either admit they don't know what you're
talking about or say "oh.. THAT. We no longer support that product line.")
Steven V. Hovater Shell Development Company (713) 663-2711 (work)
(713) 550-7802 (home)
svh%shell.uucp@sun.com or svh%shell.uucp@rice.edu or svh@shell.uucp
or ...!{sun,bcm,rice,psuvax1,decwrl,cs.utexas.edu}!shell!svh
------------------------------
Date: 10 Apr 90 21:35:34 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Aztec C for CP/M Dropped
Message-ID: <54714@bbn.COM>
I called Manx Software Systems (201-780-3072), last month, to confirm that
they still carried the CP/M version of Aztec C. A man answered the phone
as if it were his home. Uh-oh. I asked about Aztec C for CP/M. He said
that the company is now called "MCS", and they no longer support CP/M. I
was so disappointed that I forgot to ask if they'd put the CP/M version
into the public domain.
I've since bought BDS C 1.60c through Jay Sage. I wish there was some way
to get intrinsic floating point, perhaps as a compiler option, but it is
otherwise a sound, fast compiler. If anyone else is running BDS C under
CDOS, I'd be interested in hearing from them.
-Jim.
------------------------------
Date: 10 Apr 90 13:03:50 GMT
From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!brian@apple.com (Brian Musker)
Subject: CP/M Emulator
Message-ID: <11342@attcan.UUCP>
Not too sure if my last message got out... (postnews did a core dump!)
For the party interested in a cp/m emulator, i wrote an 8080 emulator
in C, with a pseudo clock, tty, disk, and dma controller, and i ported
cp/m 3.0 to this pseudo-machine. It runs every 8080 cp/m application i
have tried so far, and it has run unchanged on both an 80386 and a
WE32200 platform, so i suspect the code would work fine on a 68000
architecture.
The three drawbacks to this piece of code are:
1/ Terminal i/o is fairly slow. I have tried a variety of buffering
techniques, but few seem to have any useful impact.
2/ It really needs to support the Z80 ops.
3/ If i distribute it, i can only supply the sources for the emulator,
and the cp/m bios drivers, i.e. you had better have a configurable
cp/m on hand to link these drivers into.
If you would like to get your hands on this code, or just want more data,
please mail or post me...
Brian Musker
------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 90 02:25:15 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!ser@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Shawn E. Riggins)
Subject: Need a INKEY$ like command in S-BASIC
Message-ID: <2861@sactoh0.UUCP>
I am using S-BASIC on a Kaypro 4'84 and I cannot find a command
that will do the same job as MBASICs INKEY$ command. Any
information would be greatly appreciated.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shawn Riggins A.K.A. The Starrigger | "Jake, you know how these whoppers get
E-Mail Address: ser@sactoh0.UUCP | started. Alien booz in human stomachs.
| Accidental chemically induced insanity."
------------------------------
Date: 10 Apr 90 21:03:01 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!csfst1@think.com (Charles S. Fuller)
Subject: No-Slot Clock?
Message-ID: <23456@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
In article <54706@bbn.COM>, gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
> ... Has anyone succeeded in locating a
> supplier for this device?
The March '88 issue of ProFiles (Kaypro's magazine) contains an ad from
Central Computer Products, with a price of $49. I don't know if they're
still in business, but it may be worth a try. The address given is
330 Central Avenue
Fillmore, CA 93015
(805)524-4189
Good luck
Chuck
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Date: 11 Apr 90 16:35:00 GMT
From: snorkelwacker!usc!jarthur!bridge2!gpz@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (G. Paul Ziemba)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <1475@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM>
dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes:
[somebody else writes:]
>> a MIP.
>1/3 MIP.
>1/2 MIP
Aaaaaarrrgggghhh! If I may nit-pick for just a moment...
MIPS = Million Instructions Per Second. MIP = ???
Ahh. There, I feel better now :-) :-)
~!paul
--
Paul Ziemba zapi!gpz gpz@3com.com (415)940-7671
Current nemesis: CA "winters", cold enough to drive the ants indoors but
not cold enough to make them hibernate.
------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 90 00:25:06 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #63
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 12 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 63
Today's Topics:
3.5" on 8" Controller? (2 msgs)
8008 development under CP/M-80 ?
CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP
Kermit for Commodore PET running CBM
RED Problems
UUCP and 'Y' file types
Why Bother With CP/M? (2 msgs)
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Date: 11 Apr 90 19:55:47 GMT
From: pilchuck!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@uunet.uu.net (William Swan)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <640@flash.UUCP>
In article <9004110707.AA07305@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM (Kevin J. Cummings) writes:
}A long time ago (years) California Digital (a clearing house for dis-continued
}products and bargins) sold a 5.25" disk drive that they claimed was an 8"
}drive electrically. I assumed that this means that it had the same electrical
}interface (did that mean the same edge card connector wired the same way) as
}an 8" drive did. I remember that the 8" drives used a 50 pin daisy chained
}cable, while the 5.25" drives used a 34 pin cable [...]
}Anyone successfully run a 1.2MB drive on an 8" controller?
Not that this will help you, but yes. In late '82 or early '83 as an Alspa
Computer, as an experiment, hooked a recently announced (Mitsubishi?) 5-1/4"
drive up to one of their engineering systems, in place of the 1.2MB Tandons
they normally used. As I recall it had the 50 pin connector.
It worked just fine, but the company didn't go ahead with it as a product
because there was no standard for 5-1/4" high-density formats, whereas for
8" there was always SS/SD.
--
Bill Swan bill@Summation.WA.COM Send postal address for info:
Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years (or more):
Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002.
In now: 1 year, 2 months, 3 weeks, 1 day.
------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 03:54:21 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!xanth!rlb@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Robert L. Bailey)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <12175@xanth.cs.odu.edu>
In article <9004110707.AA07305@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM (Kevin J. Cummings) writes:
>A long time ago (years) California Digital (a clearing house for dis-continued
>products and bargins) sold a 5.25" disk drive that they claimed was an 8"
>drive electrically. I assumed that this means that it had the same electrical
>interface (did that mean the same edge card connector wired the same way) as
>an 8" drive did. I remember that the 8" drives used a 50 pin daisy chained
>cable, while the 5.25" drives used a 34 pin cable (basically the same signals,
>a few were different, in different places on the cable. I'm running 720K
>3.5" drives on the same cable as my 40 and 80 track 5.25' drives (using the
>same disk controller). I have nothing on my 8" controller (never bought
>any 8" drives B^). I always wondered if I could add a HD 5.25 1.2MB drive
>on the 8" controller? My 1.2MB drive on my IBM-compatible PC is hooked to
>the same 34 pin connector as my 720K 3.5" drive. That sorta says no. Anyone
>successfully run a 1.2MB drive on an 8" controller?
I would think that it should be possible to do just that. Years ago, I
was putting together a Xerox 820-I and I installed both an 8" SSSD and
3 5 1/4" drives all daisy chained off the same cable. The trick that I
used was this: I too, noted that the 50 pin 8" connector and the 34 pin
5 1/4" connector carried the same signals on the same sides, but, they were
located at different pin numbers. My solution was to use a 34 pin connector
but I used a small saw to cut the connectors slot so that there were no
longer any stops on the ends of the connector. (The "stops" as I refer
to them are the ends that keep the connector contact #1 aligned with
the board contact #1) By removing these, I could then position the
34 pin connector (by offseting it from pin #1) so that the proper signals
were connected to the proper pins of the 8" drive connector.
I don't have the info handy, but I beleive that I also, had to put a
jumper wire on the 8" drive so that the motor on line was activated at
the same time as the drive select line. Other than that, I don't
beleive that I had to do anything special to make things work.
Your problem is the reverse of mine, but, I don't see any reason why
it couldn't be done as long as you get the signals to the right pins!
Bob Bailey (rlb@cs.odu.edu)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 90 13:48:29 PDT
From: "That was Zen, this is Tao." <secrist@msdoa2.enet.dec.com>
Subject: 8008 development under CP/M-80 ?
Message-ID: <9004112045.AA21047@decpa.pa.dec.com>
Yes, 8008 !
I am reviving an 8008-based beast. Do any CP/M cross-assemblers exist
for it ? Is it a simple matter of hacking a 8080 assembler and writing
8008 ? Anyone have a source of data sheets for this beast ?
Regards,
rcs
------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 04:58:57 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!nebulus!root@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dennis S. Breckenridge)
Subject: CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP
Message-ID: <1990Apr12.045857.17810@nebulus.UUCP>
In article <21614@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Devon E Bowen) writes:
> In article <21974@bellcore.bellcore.com>, karn@ka9q.bellcore.com (Phil
> Karn) writes:
> > Fine. My code is freely available to any and all hams.
>
> Does this sound snotty to anyone else or is it just me? The original post
...
> This is no fun anymore.
Here Here!!!!!
I have had this argument before with Phil. When you are God everyone bows
to your choices. Must be nice sitting up there :-)
BTW God, she told me she was 16 :-)
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis S. Breckenridge (604) 277-7413 dennis@nebulus.uucp VE7TCP
EMACS: Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 05:40:08 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!uyx@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (andrew louder)
Subject: Kermit for Commodore PET running CBM
Message-ID: <4615@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
Dear Net,
I am trying to locate a copy of kermit for
a Commodore PET running CBM for a friend. I ftp'ed
to columbia university and did not find a specific
version of kermit. Has someone used or modified the
generic CPM kermit version?
I might have to try to port it. Can someone
recommend a way to port files from a IBM PC to a
Commodore PET? I looked at the program UNIFORM that
runs on a IBM PC to let you read and write CPM files,
but does not support Commodore PET.
Sincerely,
Andy
Internet: andyman@ei.ecn.purdue.edu
PhoneNet: (317) 743-8705
does
------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 90 18:02:10 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: RED Problems
Message-ID: <54748@bbn.COM>
I compiled and ran RED, early this morning, after struggling to get L2
together (the BDS documentation could use a few corrections, here).
RED cleared the screen, positioned the prompt line in a bogus place,
and then quit after printing:
Error: not enough room for buffers
This is on a 64K system. I had linked RED using L2, since CLINK had been
complaining about not having enough memory. The BDS manual suggested that
CLINK might do this, and L2 was included in the distribution as a solution.
L2 had reported the following:
Number of functions: 255
Code ends at: 0x984
Externals begin at 0xA400
Externals end at 0xB018
End of current TPA: 0xC700
Jump table bytes saved: 0xB97
It sure looks like RED doesn't have much room left for file. I must admit
that I was apprehensive when I saw the link statistics, and not surprised
when RED quit on me. At least it didn't walk all over CP/M.
The bogus placement of the prompt line is my problem; I botched the control
sequence when I ran RCONFIG. I doubt that this would affect buffer space.
So. Any ideas on what might cause this? I used the supplied SUBMIT files,
which copile RED1.C through RED14.C and then link it. L2 had to go to
file mode, it ran out of memory after getting to RED4.C. This is on a
Cromemco System Three running CDOS.
-Jim.
------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 90 01:59:19 GMT
From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!stcns3!dave@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types
Message-ID: <2732@stcns3.stc.oz.AU>
Many thanks for everyone's help...
--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) Alcatel STC Australia dave@stcns3.stc.oz.AU
dave%stcns3.stc.oz.AU@uunet.UU.NET ...munnari!stcns3.stc.oz.AU!dave
------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 90 22:20:20 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <2278@ariel.unm.edu>
>[somebody else writes:]
>>> a MIP.
>
>>1/3 MIP.
>>1/2 MIP
>
>Aaaaaarrrgggghhh! If I may nit-pick for just a moment...
>MIPS = Million Instructions Per Second. MIP = ???
Arrgh! MIP, MIPS.,. its all the same thing... you knew what
we were talking about.. why gripe? MIPS - Million INteractions
Per Second. I know that. it sounds rather silly to say 1 MIPS,
1/2 MIPS, 1/3 MIPS. So, we've all just depluralized
the acronym... makes PERFECT sense to me.... :-)
Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account
this disclaimer space intentionally left blank.
------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 04:45:59 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!compata@apple.com (David H Close)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <28821@cup.portal.com>
dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes:
" On the other side though, it still chugs along nicely: a 4MHz Z80 can
" do the CRC and data transfer to keep an Xmodem transfer going at up to
" about 22000 BPS, and that's doing the CRC the hard way (i.e. bit banging),
" with a table driven CRC, it'd probably exceed 38400 BPS.
Actually, it will do even better. I know of a 4MHz Z80 pumping 56Kbps SDLC.
Dave Close, Compata, Arlington, Texas
compata@cup.portal.com OR compata@mcimail.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 90 15:15:18 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #64
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 12 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 64
Today's Topics:
3.5" on 8" Controller?
CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP
More RED Woes
No-Slot Clock - Followup
Non-Intel Bashing...
Northstar HSIO Docs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 17:25:05 GMT
From: halibut.nosc.mil!koziarz@nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller?
Message-ID: <2123@nosc.NOSC.MIL>
In article <9004110707.AA07305@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM (Kevin J. Cummings) writes:
>the same 34 pin connector as my 720K 3.5" drive. That sorta says no. Anyone
>successfully run a 1.2MB drive on an 8" controller?
>
Yup, I had to put a sort piece of cable between the 50 pin and 34 pin
connectors to slightly re-arrainge the signals. It definitely works. The 5.25
hi-density 1.2M drive can indeed be considered electrically equivalent to an 8
inch.
Walt K.
------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 13:35:56 GMT
From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!sharkey!wyn386!danielw@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel Wynalda)
Subject: CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP
Message-ID: <214@wyn386.mi.org>
In article <21614@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Devon E Bowen) drivels:
>In article <21974@bellcore.bellcore.com>, karn@ka9q.bellcore.com (Phil
>Karn) writes:
>> Fine. My code is freely available to any and all hams.
>
>Does this sound snotty to anyone else or is it just me? The original post
>asked a very simple question. He just wanted to know if anyone had done any
Frankly, I don't understand how someone would DARE CRITICIZE someone who
puts as MUCH TIME and EFFORT into this hobby as does Phil.
In plain and simple terms, Phil DID SAY "If you think it can be done - do it
yourself. That is why he stated his code is available to ALL.". One of
ham-radio's objectives is the promotion of the ADVANCEMENT of radio art.
You would be hard pressed to find another who has put in as much time and
effort as Phil toward this goal.
>any degree. And instead of a polite "no, no one is working on that but you
>are welcome to if you like" he gets this lecture on how his computer isn't
>worth using and he should buy a PC. When he says he likes his computer he
He said "It costs $60 for a PC motherboard." Frankly, people who write
code like Phil's make ALOT more than that per hour. I realize some people
don't, but at some point you CAN'T RETROFIT EVERY COMPUTER.
Don't take this like I favor tossing old computers, just know the limits.
My executable for ka9q is about 700K. There is NO WAY you are going to
get that running on a 64K Z80 CPM machine. If there was, I'd be glad to
run it on my old stuff. (By the way, I have a TRS-80 Model 4, 6 Televideo
800A's, and Televideo 816, and a bunch of other junk laying around if anyone
wants to play with old equipment.).
The 816 is a 16 port Z80 based MPM system with 40MB hard drive and 40MB
tape drive. Interested????? I'll let it go CHEAP.
>Anyone in this hobby that says something like this in this day and age does
>not deserve the shit this guy is getting back for it. And he's getting it
>from those people pushing the most for a no-code license to get more doers
>into ham radio!!! [not meant to imply I am pro-code]
Woe! I won't even bother. Frankly anyone who abuses Phil for being
honest doesn't deserve his own words.
>
>This is no fun anymore.
>
Ahhhh.. Something we agree on. :-)
--
Daniel Wynalda | Telephone: (616) 866-1561 X22 Ham: N8KUD
Wynalda Litho Inc. | danielw@wyn386.mi.org I speak only for myself. Everyone
8221 Graphic Ind Pk. | should be responsible for their own actions.
Rockford, MI 49341 | Bureaucracy - An organized form of anarchy.
------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 14:54:44 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: More RED Woes
Message-ID: <54781@bbn.COM>
My thanks to Frank Wancho for pointing out the discrepancy in the link
statistics. The trick was to adjust the location of the start of the
externals area to free up more memory. It bothers me that I had to
recompile each C file to adjust this figure. It took me close to an
hour.
The editor now runs, sort of. It clears the display, sets up the prompt
line and version message, and then sits there. I get no response from
the keyboard, not even from ^C. I have to reset the machine to recover.
Oh yeah, and it doesn't display the expected "end-of-file" marker or help
instructions.
If I invoke it with a file specification, it does the same display set-up,
then loads the specified file, displays the first page, and then sits there.
So, it looks like the keyboard input code may be the problem. I've seen
warnings in the BDS C manual about BIOS differences between real CP/M and
look-alikes, my CDOS being one of the latter. The calling conventions
are the same, however, as are almost all of the call codes. The fact
that it manages to do display set-up and file I/O seems to rule out
BIOS differences, but I can't be sure. Can anyone tell me?
-Jim.
------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 14:39:39 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: No-Slot Clock - Followup
Message-ID: <54779@bbn.COM>
Thanks to those who responded to my inquiry about the No-Slot Clock.
Armed with the information received, I made a few phone calls.
The No-Slot Clock is a device designed to be inserted between a ROM
and its socket. It is distributed by SMT, which bundles the device
with software for use on PC's and Apples. The device is, in fact,
a Dallas Semiconductor SmartWatch, sold under an agreement with the
manufacturer. The SMT package includes the documentation needed to
write one's own driver. They know of people getting it to work on
Commodore and Atari computers. It is a 28-pin device, but is meant
to be work in 24-pin sockets as well with some simple jumpering.
I contacted two suppliers of the SMT package:
Carlisle Computer Central Computer Products
959 Hill Road 330 Central Avenue
Las Cruces, NM 88005 Fillmore, CA 93015
800-333-2566 805-524-4189
The man I spoke to at Carlisle seemed to have a little more on the ball.
They advertise the package in the Computer Shopper for $39 plus $7 s&h.
Anticipated cost: $46.
The man I spoke to at Central guessed that they charged $69. According
to Chuck Fuller's recent posting, they last advertised it for $49. The
March Computer Shopper has an ad from Central, but no mention of the NSC.
They indicate, however, that shipping is $4.50. Anticipated cost: $53.50
Based on price and responsiveness, I am leaning toward Carlisle. Has
anyone dealt with them before? Did I catch Central on an "off" day?
By the way, the number for Dallas Semiconductor is 214-450-0400 (I can't
wait to see my long-distance bill :-). They are sending me a catalog,
which includes details on the various SmartWatch devices (they have RAM
and ROM versions).
-Jim.
------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 90 16:19:06 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <5307@balu.UUCP>
Hello.
The Z280 will be released as a 12.5 MHz version this May. True.
But as Zilog says, a 25 MHz version will never appear. Sigh.
However, a Z80-CMOS with 20 MHz (5 MIPS) is available NOW!
Needs quite fast Cache-RAMs to operate, I guess...
This guy from Denmark had the bad luck of buying a CP/M-68K system. Although
quite small and fast, this OS never reached the popularity of CP/M-80
(2.2/3.x), of which we are talking when saying just 'CP/M', and for which
still new software is available.
Besides, if you take the PC & clone market away, there will be few who
are using Intel processors. They all use 68K, 32K, Z80/180/8000, TMS9995 etc.,
and they all know why! Very bad luck that IBM took these chips for their PC.
But, if you have a look at PC architecture, it isn't even better than that
of Intel processors. Every 10-year-old electronic hobbyist would have made
a better design than IBM's 'high-tech' engineers (and would have taken better
chips, also). Details are much too much to list here. Last but not least, the
architecture and quality of the mostly-used OS on that machines fits CPU and
and computer design. They probably found the worst OS for the worst computer
based on the worst CPU, but that is now called 'industry standard'.
BURP!
Tilmann
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Date: 12 Apr 90 20:06:22 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Northstar HSIO Docs?
Message-ID: <54811@bbn.COM>
I have a Northstar HSIO (serial I/O) card that I'd like to use on my
Cromemco. I'm fairly sure that I don't have documentation for this
board, among all the manuals that came with the Northstar. Does anyone
have the manual for this board?
-Jim.
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 90 15:14:42 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #65
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 14 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 65
Today's Topics:
8008 development under CP/M-80 ?
CP/M-68K software
Mip and MIPS
No more Intel Bashing.
Non-Intel Bashing...
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Date: 12 Apr 90 18:34:41 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: 8008 development under CP/M-80 ?
Message-ID: <2295@ariel.unm.edu>
In article <9004112045.AA21047@decpa.pa.dec.com> secrist@msdoa2.enet.dec.com ("That was Zen, this is Tao.") writes:
>I am reviving an 8008-based beast. Do any CP/M cross-assemblers exist
>for it ? Is it a simple matter of hacking a 8080 assembler and writing
>8008 ? Anyone have a source of data sheets for this beast ?
Good lord, thats an OLD chip you've got there... whew.. uhm, i doubt
if you'll find anything for CP/M (short of old Altair distribution tapes.)
that will support the 8008. you might try (Tee Hee Hee) calling Intel and
seeing if they still have anything in their dumpsters on that chip....
(Even Better.. "Hello Intel? I was wondering if you still carried the 4004")
Find someone w/ an old altair is probably your best shot.. good luck!
Re: Commodore PET, uhm. i must be mistaken, but i thought for SURE that those
were 6502 or 6809 based machines. gonna be a bas**** to get anything 8086 or
Z80 onto that.. tho, i could be wrong. havent touched a PET since Elementary
School days.. (I remember they had these really nasty tiny metal keys and
a tape drive in the console. uuuugh.) (but that was the really old ones. i've
seen ones that have real person keyboards.)
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 90 09:32:22 -0500
From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox)
Subject: CP/M-68K software
Message-ID: <9004141432.AA24179@emx.utexas.edu>
Ooops, sorry Jens. Forgot the address: You can contact TriSoft
at
1825 East 38 1/2 Street
Austin, Texas 78722
1-800-531-5170
Since I have a connection with them, I try to not sound like I am
advertising over the net. But there are so few places left...
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 90 10:21 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Mip and MIPS
Hmm...
So, what should we say: 7 MIPS? 7 MIPSes? 7 MIPS's? 7 Mipses?
You know, you do say 7 meterS and 7 million inchES... How about
7 BTU's?
Wow. A processor that can (only) run half-a-million instructions
per. Per microsecond!!!
Sorry. I had to do this.
-John
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 90 10:55 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: No more Intel Bashing.
Well, I started it all, but I just wrote something really neat that will
say something to those who have been railing on CP/M unfairly...
Z80 is almost as intel as non-intels can ever get, too. The point is
that we are all in the same boat. No one processor is absolutely
superior to another - they all have their bells and whistles.
Intel's bells just happened to be "not my style." What is important
is not the quality of the processor inherently, but how they are
used - that's why people say "I love my PC, PS/2, Mac, CP/M,
Unix, etc." and not "80C88-2, 32016, Z80B, 68020, TMS320C30, etc."
I have my own preferences - I do plan to some day become rich and
powerful and make my dream-processor come true by taking over
T.I., Intel, Motorola, and ALL!!!! But, hey, I like my Z80, and,
you don't hit on my processor, I don't hit on your processor.
Besides, I am a philosophy major. I will never be able to afford
Intel, not to mention a 386 machine....
-John
------------------------------
Date: 12 Apr 90 18:51:06 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <2296@ariel.unm.edu>
In article <5307@balu.UUCP> tilmann@cosmo.UUCP (Tilmann Reh) writes:
>The Z280 will be released as a 12.5 MHz version this May. True.
>But as Zilog says, a 25 MHz version will never appear. Sigh.
Phooey. that would be fun.
>However, a Z80-CMOS with 20 MHz (5 MIPS) is available NOW!
>Needs quite fast Cache-RAMs to operate, I guess...
I didn't even know there was one.. time to give Zilog a call and get some info..
BTW: I was going thru the back of Byte Mag. and i noticed in the Z80 section
of stuff you could order, a chip dubbed "Z8400HB1 <Cpu 8MHz.>" what the
heck is that chip? anyone have some info? would be nice to find out what
it does...
>This guy from Denmark had the bad luck of buying a CP/M-68K system. Although
>quite small and fast, this OS never reached the popularity of CP/M-80
>(2.2/3.x), of which we are talking when saying just 'CP/M', and for which
>still new software is available.
True...True...But the 68000's are still very nice processors. I'm actually
quite surprised that CP/M-68K didn't get as popular as CP/M-Z80..
I hold the 680x0 line in the same regard as the Z80. its a nice, clean
powerful porcessor. I wouldn't mind getting a CP/M-68K machine...
(None of this Amiga/Macintosh/Atari ST easy-to-use-but-not-any-fun
machines that "Corporate America" is getting screwed with..tho,
i'd rather have those be the standard than these IBM crap.)
>Besides, if you take the PC & clone market away, there will be few who
>are using Intel processors. They all use 68K, 32K, Z80/180/8000, TMS9995 etc.,
>and they all know why! Very bad luck that IBM took these chips for their PC.
>But, if you have a look at PC architecture, it isn't even better than that
>of Intel processors. Every 10-year-old electronic hobbyist would have made
>a better design than IBM's 'high-tech' engineers (and would have taken better
>chips, also). Details are much too much to list here. Last but not least, the
>architecture and quality of the mostly-used OS on that machines fits CPU and
>and computer design. They probably found the worst OS for the worst computer
>based on the worst CPU, but that is now called 'industry standard'.
Hear Hear! Well, at least we can be proud to say that we're of a group that
knows better! I guess i can be content to use my Z80 machine and let
"Corporate America" get ****ed up the ***. Actually, the deserve
it. (i'm of the old world "Word Processor? Get a typwriter! Spreadsheet?
Get a calculator! Drafting? Get a bloody set of pencils!")
Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account.
And God said "Let segment:offset be your punishment for your sins..."
unfortunatly, the beauraucratic designers liked the idea.
pah.
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 11:15:33 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #66
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 15 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 66
Today's Topics:
Alpha testers wanted: Z-80 interpreter for unix
DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c
No-Slot Clock?
Wanted: Info on BBS
Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix
Z80 serial comm speed (was Re: Why Bother With CP/M?) (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 90 22:20:23 GMT
From: unisoft!hoptoad!pacbell!uop!quack!mrapple@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Alpha testers wanted: Z-80 interpreter for unix
Message-ID: <5269@quack.UUCP>
My Z-80 interpreter code is now finished. Currently the interpreter
itself and an admittedly lousy debugger are in need of alpha-testing.
I have had a chance to test only a small subset of the operations,
but those I have tested appear to work ok. This is not a completed
project, so if you hate finding bugs, don't bother.
Anyone interested in alpha-testing the interpreter on a piece of
Z-80 code, please write. Thanks in advance. As soon as the interpreter
and debugger are debugged, I'll start working on a BIOS and CP/M
implementation.
This project is copyrighted only to maintain revision control. Any
non-commercial distribution is ok by me. No warranties, expressed
or implied, are valid.
--
Nick Sayer - The Duck Pond public unix - 209-952-5347 (Telebit)
---------------------------------+---------------------------------
quack!mrapple@uop.edu !
...pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple ! And now, The Fish Slapping Dance
N6QQQ (145.75 - TCP/IP soon) !
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Date: 9 Apr 90 02:49:19 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!ditmela!yarra!monu6!minyos!rxxqva@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Quentin van Abbe)
Subject: DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c
Message-ID: <3337@minyos.xx.rmit.oz>
I presently maintain for an outside group an aged EXIDY Sorcerer running CPM2.2.
I would like to transfer software back and forth via a DOS machine, but try as
I may I cannot read my CPM disks on the PC. I've used SYDEX's ANADISK and
disc copy routines, but neither analysis nor copy works. Nor do any of the other
copy or analyse routines I've been able to locate. Not being in any
sense a CPM guru, I seek advice from some whizz out there who may have had
experience with a similar m/c. An alternative, of course, would be a simple
cable set-up to provide a serial link between the two m/cs, or modem access.
One problem is an acute shortage of documentation about the m/c, so everything
I do is guesswork. Any help gratefully received. If you wish to email me, my
address, mailers willing, is rxxqva@skaro.xx.rmit.oz.au.
Quentin van Abbe.
(my opinions are my own - I certainly would not trust me to represent
anyone else's!)
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 90 04:25:54 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!nsscb!ameyer@ucsd.edu (Andy Meyer)
Subject: No-Slot Clock?
Message-ID: <1466@nsscb.UUCP>
In article <2726@unocss.unomaha.edu> fg041@unocss.UUCP (Jack Winslade) writes:
> I am currently attempting to get one running on a Telewidget 802
> and having a hair-pulling session due to the way they bank out the ROM at
> startup. I have heard that they work quite well on the Kaypro, though.
Anyone using a SmartWatch in an Altos 580? If so, I'm interested in details.
Thanks,
Andy.
--
Andreas Meyer N2FYE AT&T National Systems Support Center
uucp: ..!att!ulysses!nsscb!ameyer or: ameyer%nsscb@ulysses.att.com
Ripstop nylon - How does it know?
------------------------------
Date: 13 Apr 90 01:28:09 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!uhnix1!moray!urchin!f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org!Phillip.Keen@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Phillip Keen)
Subject: Wanted: Info on BBS
Message-ID: <20102.26258429@urchin.fidonet.org>
MJ> Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
MJ>
MJ>
MJ> I have a Kaypro 4/84 with 2 floppies that I would like to use for a local
MJ> BBS.
MJ> I have the following questions:
MJ> 1. What is the biggest/fastest hard drive this machine can hold?
MJ> 2. Where can I get the boards needed to put one in? (How much $?)
MJ> 3. What BBS software would you recommend, why, and where can I
MJ> get it?
MJ> - I am looking for the following in a BBS:
MJ> * Easy to use file system
MJ> * Internet mailing abilities (not a must)
MJ> Thanks in advance. I will post a summary if there is interest. I think
MJ> this
MJ> is a great use for these machines. I would like a discussion on the
MJ> processor
MJ> speed vs 2400 bps. Does this pose any problems? I would guess for 9600,
MJ> one
MJ> would definitly need a better/faster processor for performace. Am I
Yes, you can run 9600 on those old 8-Bits! There's an RCP/M right here in
Houston that allows 9600+ bauds operations. The best BBS programs for CP/M
right now are PBBS, PICS, and ZMSG. Of course you will also need ZCPR and all
those goodies too. Phillip
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 03:00:19 EDT
From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough)
Subject: Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix
Message-ID: <XX0001123c@pallio.UUCP>
I tried mailing this, but someone burped on it. Anyway, this may
be of general interest .....
The DAA instruction promises to be a real horror. You'll need to note
three things from the last 8 or 16 bit add / subtract operation:
the standard carry (i.e. from bit 7), the half carry: this flags if
there was a carry out of bit 3, into bit 4: do something like:
hc = ((op1 & 0x0f) + (op2 & 0x0f)) & 0x10
where op1 and op2 are the two operands in the add. Note also if it
was an addition or a subtraction. This is basically collecting the
following three Z80 flags: C, I, N (carry, half carry - aka intermediate
carry, and negative (i.e. subtraction). Note the N flag is distinct from
the S (sign) flag - the S simply echos bit 7 of the acc, whereas the N
notes whether the last 8 bit op was an addition or subtraction.
Now for the fun stuff:
if (addition) /* i.e. N is clear: last op was an add)
{
if (half carry set || (acc & 0x0f) < 9)
add 6 to acc
if (main carry set || (acc & 0xf0) < 0x90)
add 0x60 to acc
}
else /* subtraction */
{
if (half carry set || (acc & 0x0f) < 9)
subtract 6 from acc
if (main carry set || (acc & 0xf0) < 0x90)
subtract 0x60 from acc
}
I think this is right, but I wouldn't want to swear to it.
I then dug out "The gospel according to Carr" (The Z80 user's manual,
by Joseph Carr, ISBN 0-8359-9516-X ) - It has the following table for
what happens in a DAA.
Used with C C I low high number
instruction before after before nibble nibble added
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADC\ 0 0 0 0-9 0-9 00
ADD > 0 0 0 a-f 0-8 06
INC/ 0 0 1 0-3 0-9 06
i.e. N flag clear 0 1 0 0-9 a-f 60
0 1 0 a-f 9-f 66
0 1 1 0-3 a-f 66
1 1 0 0-9 0-2 00
1 1 0 a-f 0-2 fa
1 1 1 0-3 0-3 a0
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
NEG\ 0 0 0 0-9 0-9 00
SUB > 0 0 1 6-f 0-8 fa
SBC/ 1 1 0 0-9 7-f a0
i.e. N flag set 1 1 1 6-f 6-f 9a
Now, the addition table looks OK, but I'm a little suspicious of the
subtraction table. By my reckoning there's only 2048 possible inputs
into this: 8 bits of acc data, C, I and N make another 3 for a total
of 11 bits - these can only take 2048 distinct inputs. It might be
instructive to write a little program to stuff all 2048 values into
a DAA instruction, and tabulate the results. That way you'd see what
a real Z80 does in all cases.
--
dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+
IHS | +-+-+
..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ |
AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 03:00:14 EDT
From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough)
Subject: Z80 serial comm speed (was Re: Why Bother With CP/M?)
Message-ID: <XX0001123b@pallio.UUCP>
Dave Close says:
> dg@pallio.UUCP (Who, me?) writes:
>> On the other side though, it still chugs along nicely: a 4MHz Z80 can
>> do the CRC and data transfer to keep an Xmodem transfer going at up to
>> about 22000 BPS, and that's doing the CRC the hard way (i.e. bit banging),
>> with a table driven CRC, it'd probably exceed 38400 BPS.
>
> Actually, it will do even better. I know of a 4MHz Z80 pumping 56Kbps SDLC.
You'll forgive me for playing devil's advocate, but we're comparing apples
and oranges here. The SDLC is probably done with an SIO, which is capable
of doing all the CRC and framing trickery itself, all the Z80 has to do is
stuff bytes into the SIO, and with a DMA, the Z80 could actually spend a
good proportion of the time asleep.
I'm not sure you can do sync prtotocols with an async only uart: the hunt
phase would be a real nightmare, and you'd get in all sorts of trouble with
the incessant start and stop bits. Hence I can see a Z80A very easily
achieving 56KBPS doing SDLC (probably faster if the SIO could be clocked
fast enough). However, the Xmodem needs to have the Z80 do the CRC
evaluation as well, so it's got to do a little more work.
Not that I'm condemning 56K SDLC or anything, it's kinda nice to hear that
the Z80 is up to talking to the big guys as a peer. I'm sure that with a
little creative genius, it would be possible to do such wonders as HASP
and RJE from a Kaypro (look out BITNET - here come the CP/M'ers :-> )
--
dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+
IHS | +-+-+
..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ |
AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 1990 01:55 MDT
From: "Frank J. Wancho" <WANCHO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Z80 serial comm speed (was Re: Why Bother With CP/M?)
Message-ID: <WANCHO.12581949954.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
I'm sure that with a little creative genius, it would be possible
to do such wonders as HASP and RJE from a Kaypro (look out BITNET
- here come the CP/M'ers :-> )
There actually was a commercial HASP/RJE program for CP/M, and it
worked pretty well. We had it running on a Northstar Horizon tied to
a 4,800 bps four-wire sync modem circuit to our IBM mainframe. It was
just a couple of jumper changes on the header of the second serial
port as I recall...
--Frank
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 17:15:36 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #67
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 15 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 67
Today's Topics:
8008 docs found
Aztec C for CP/M Dropped (2 msgs)
CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP
DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c
Why Bother With CP/M?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 90 14:31:47 GMT
From: sumax!quick!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (William Swan)
Subject: 8008 docs found
Message-ID: <655@flash.UUCP>
We seem to have expired the posting, but for the fellow looking for
8008 documentation so he can revive his system:
I just dug through my archives, and found some nth-xerox--generation
documentation for the wee beast. I think it will survive one more
generation of copying...
--
Bill Swan bill@Summation.WA.COM Send postal address for info:
Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years (or more):
Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002.
In now: 1 year, 2 months, 3 weeks, 5 days.
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Date: 14 Apr 90 17:58:39 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!prls!pyramid!athertn!paul@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Paul Sander)
Subject: Aztec C for CP/M Dropped
Message-ID: <21608@athertn.Atherton.COM>
In article <54714@bbn.COM> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
>Article-I.D.: bbn.54714
>Sender: news@bbn.COM
>Reply-To: gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
>Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
>Lines: 13
>
>I called Manx Software Systems (201-780-3072), last month, to confirm that
>they still carried the CP/M version of Aztec C. A man answered the phone
>as if it were his home. Uh-oh. I asked about Aztec C for CP/M. He said
>that the company is now called "MCS", and they no longer support CP/M.
Are you kidding? I just bought copies of Aztec C for Apple ProDOS and
CP/M from Manx three weeks ago. When I called, a woman answered the phone
in a professional manner, had never heard of what I wanted and passed me
along to another woman who was very helpful. She said they BOTH compilers
in stock, and I had them in my hand 7 days later (shipped UPS ground).
She did admit that she didn't know anyone was still using Apple CP/M, though.
I've called their technical support BBS sevaral times, and it seems to be
active, and it still answers the phone as "Manx".
--
Paul Sander (408) 734-9822 | Beware the programmer whose code
paul@Atherton.COM | reusability tool is the "copy" command.
{decwrl,pyramid,sun}!athertn!paul |
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Date: 15 Apr 90 22:17:03 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Aztec C for CP/M Dropped
Message-ID: <54885@bbn.COM>
In article <21608@athertn.Atherton.COM> paul@Atherton.COM (Paul Sander) writes:
>In article <54714@bbn.COM> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
>>I called Manx Software Systems (201-780-3072), last month, to confirm that
>>they still carried the CP/M version of Aztec C. A man answered the phone
>>as if it were his home. Uh-oh. I asked about Aztec C for CP/M. He said
>>that the company is now called "MCS", and they no longer support CP/M.
>
>Are you kidding? I just bought copies of Aztec C for Apple ProDOS and
>CP/M from Manx three weeks ago. When I called, a woman answered the phone
>in a professional manner, had never heard of what I wanted and passed me
>along to another woman who was very helpful. She said they BOTH compilers
>in stock, and I had them in my hand 7 days later (shipped UPS ground).
>She did admit that she didn't know anyone was still using Apple CP/M, though.
>
>I've called their technical support BBS sevaral times, and it seems to be
>active, and it still answers the phone as "Manx".
Maybe the guy I spoke to hacked me. I originally called 201-780-4004,
which is the number listed in the Aztec C manual I had borrowed from a
fellow employee. The man who answered said that Manx no longer had that
number. He could not provide me with the new number. I then called
directory assistance (201-555-1212). The operator gave me 201-780-3072
as the number for Manx Software Systems. I called the number and got
the results I posted above. Did I get the wrong number? I am both
disappointed and embarrassed for receiving and propagating incorrect
information. May I have the correct phone number, for future reference?
-Jim.
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
Subject: Re: Aztec C for CP/M Dropped
Reply-To: gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
In article <21608@athertn.Atherton.COM> paul@Atherton.COM (Paul Sander) writes:
>In article <54714@bbn.COM> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
>>I called Manx Software Systems (201-780-3072), last month, to confirm that
>>they still carried the CP/M version of Aztec C. A man answered the phone
>>as if it were his home. Uh-oh. I asked about Aztec C for CP/M. He said
>>that the company is now called "MCS", and they no longer support CP/M.
>
>Are you kidding? I just bought copies of Aztec C for Apple ProDOS and
>CP/M from Manx three weeks ago. When I called, a woman answered the phone
>in a professional manner, had never heard of what I wanted and passed me
>along to another woman who was very helpful. She said they BOTH compilers
>in stock, and I had them in my hand 7 days later (shipped UPS ground).
>She did admit that she didn't know anyone was still using Apple CP/M, though.
>
>I've called their technical support BBS sevaral times, and it seems to be
>active, and it still answers the phone as "Manx".
Maybe the guy I spoke to hacked me. I originally called 201-780-4004,
which is the number listed in the Aztec C manual I had borrowed from a
fellow employee. The man who answered said that Manx no longer had that
number. He could not provide me with the new number. I then called
directory assistance (201-555-1212). The operator gave me 201-780-3072
as the number for Manx Software Systems. I called the number and got
the results I posted above. Did I get the wrong number? I am both
disappointed and embarrassed for receiving and propagating incorrect
information. May I have the correct phone number, for future reference?
-Jim.
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Date: 13 Apr 90 22:57:00 GMT
From: dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!darth!insight!bhh@PT.CS.CMU.EDU (Brian Hughes)
Subject: CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP
Message-ID: <50.2626BFCE@insight.FIDONET.ORG>
> From: dave@compnect.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
> Date: 9 Apr 90 21:01:25 GMT
> Organization: John Core at home, Harrisburg,PA
> Message-ID: <519@compnect.UUCP>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm,rec.ham-radio.packet
> Phil, maybe he likes it! I have a Molecular Mod. 9 in
> my little room with 2
> Seiko 8610's nearby. All operational, all (gasp)
> CP-MP/M or N-Star and all
> multi-user. Nice machines, fun to hack on and just
Dave,
I'm the fellow who bought John Core's Mole 32 - the ugly one with the two 8 inch HD drives - small world isn't it? Any chance you might be interested in writing a BYE5 insert for the Mole?
BTW, you should have received UUCP.LBR from John by now.
--
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: ..{psuvax1|decvax|cadre|}!idis!insight!bhh
: bhh@insight.fidonet.org
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Date: 14 Apr 90 21:25:10 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin)
Subject: DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c
Message-ID: <83@simasd.UUCP>
I think what you need is SYDEX 22DSK which permits reading 'foreign' formats
into DOS. ANADISK does not have that capability as I recall. UNIFORM is
another possibility, but I don't know that it covers the EXIDY format or not.
The null modem is the final fallback if you have a communications program for
the EXIDY.
UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Date: 14 Apr 90 07:47:13 GMT
From: jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU!kleinj@cs.orst.edu (Justin the Blue)
Subject: Why Bother With CP/M?
Message-ID: <17632@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU>
Why bother with CP/M?
It's not much of an answer, but more of a preface: my very first computer
was a Xerox 820/I, the single-board wonder. The guy who put it all together
used old steel Tektronix cases as chassis. They are indestructible, and
give one the added advantage of having an extra seat around for a guest.
"Can't find a seat!"
"Go ahead...sit there."
"But, that's the computer!"
Seriously though, We here at SunDial use two computers. One is an IBM PCI,
which we lucked into...the salesman was under the impression that the drives
were Single Side Single Dense, and only 128Kb memory, and when we got home
with it ti turned oout those drives were DSDD, and 256Kb memory...for $250,
and IBM original. I have been exploring the PCDOS 3.3 world as a child with
the bestest new toy in the universe. I really like it...features like sub-
directories allowing me to organize files to my liking, and compatibility with
all the shareware I could ever want.
Sure couldn't do that with CP/M.
But what I can do with CP/M is: the same basic stuff, simply, quickly, and
well. So your computer is a '386 that runs at 32 Meg with so much storage I
could move a Cambodian family in. Last time I looked at my applications,
I just plain didn't need such conspicuous consumption.
So, I like the IBM world, more so that I now can tak a part in it.
But don't tell me that CP/M is:
Outmoded
Difficult
Too Simple, Or, that favourite stupid comment that I mostly hear snooty
Clone and Macintosh users spout....
Isn't that an OBSOLETE OS?
NO, no more than breathing air an obsolete way of getting respiration.
(next time a snooty IBM/Clone/Mac user starts getting your goat, remind them
of a great advantage of 'obsolecence'....
When was the last time you heard a CP/M user all upset about
Whether or not a virus was getting at their system.
They shut up real quick after you remind them of this.)
-Justin the Blue-
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 09:15:18 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #68
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 17 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 68
Today's Topics:
22DSK
8080 + CP/M Emulator
CBM PET - what is this doing in comp.os.cpm?
Heee.
INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50
Kermit for Commodore PET running CBM
No-Slot Clock?
Non-Intel Bashing...
QTERM overlay for Ampro Little Board
Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 11:03 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: 22DSK
Yeah. 22DSK should have it - it is configurable, too, so if you
know your disk format, (and understand the 22DSK manual well enough)
you can fit it to read your CP/M format on any PCDOS machine
(not all MS-DOS machines).
It is in SIMTEL under <msdos.dskutl>22dsk130 or 132.arc or somewhere
thereabouts.
-John
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Date: 16 Apr 90 15:13:41 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!brian@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Brian Musker)
Subject: 8080 + CP/M Emulator
Message-ID: <11357@attcan.UUCP>
Well, I have received 11 requests for the sources to my 8080 emulator
& CP/M+ BIOS...
I'd be glad to ship it out through the net or by mail (perhaps a posting
to comp.sources.unix?) - any preferences?
Please give me about a week to get this out, as it is located on a computer
at my old home (I'm moving this month), and I no longer have phone lines
there!
I'll also try to piece together some docs on how to get the emulator
setup and CP/M running on it.
Brian
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 03:00:13 EDT
From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough)
Subject: CBM PET - what is this doing in comp.os.cpm?
Message-ID: <XX00011250@pallio.UUCP>
cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu (aNk1ez) says:
> Re: Commodore PET, uhm. i must be mistaken, but i thought for SURE that
> those were 6502 or 6809 based machines.
You betcha - the Pet is a 6502 machine. I ought to redirect followups
to comp.sys.cbm, but I don't know if the INFO-CPM gateway groks 822
headers :-).
Anyway - the Pet is the grandaddy of the C64 / C128 family: if you don't
use any screen / device peeks and pokes, it's possible to swap basic
programs between the C64 and the Pet.
We now return you to your regular CP/M material :-)
--
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IHS | +-+-+
..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ |
AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 11:13 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Heee.
I like that quote!
"Let segment:offset be your punishment for your sins..."
Can I tell people about it?
Anyways, Z8400 is Zilog's official part number for Z80.
Z8400H is the 8 (or is it 10, now?) MHz beast. B is supposed to stand
for Mil STD 883 class B, but there is supposed to be another letter between
H and B that designates packaging. I doubt that mail order places
carry Mil STD parts, tho'.
-John
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Date: 13 Apr 90 08:55:38 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50
Message-ID: <2312@ariel.unm.edu>
Ack, ack, ack, ack.
Okay, gotta clear some stuff up.....
Re: Comm program for Z80. One person requested a copy, however
the mail program on our vax does not want to talk to this person,
sooo.... i'm just gonna reply here (sorry everyone else, if you
don't like this.)
Dear <whoever>,
It's going to take some hacking on your
part to get it running on your machine,
but i'd be happy to mail you a floppy
if you really don't want to use uucp.
Disk formats supported by me:
IBM 160k, 180k, 320k, 360k
DEC RX50, RX01
MFE 1.2mb (8")
TRS-80 180k
send a SASE (SASDM? (Self addressed
stamped disk
mailer?)
to:
9th Floor Hackers Society
Re: NewComm 4.1 CP/M source dist.
PO Box 726
Cedar Crest, NM 87008
but it'd be hellishly easier to uucp,ftp whatever mail it to you..
There was something else too.. oh well.. i'm in 2am BabbleMode so...
Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account
This disclaimer space intentionally left blank.
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Date: 15 Apr 90 23:04:29 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: Kermit for Commodore PET running CBM
Message-ID: <5312@balu.UUCP>
Hi Andy,
I'm sorry to tell you that all the older Commodore's (20xx,30xx,40xx,80xx)
are using a very special disk format which is in no way corresponding to
the worldwide standard 'IBM 3740'. So, you will have to go the hard way:
via null-modem...
Greetings, Tilmann
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Date: 12 Apr 90 16:55:53 GMT
From: ssbell!mcmi!unocss!fg041@uunet.uu.net (fg041)
Subject: No-Slot Clock?
Message-ID: <2726@unocss.unomaha.edu>
$30. I am currently attempting to get one running on a Telewidget 802
and having a hair-pulling session due to the way they bank out the ROM at
startup. I have heard that they work quite well on the Kaypro, though.
Good Day! JSW
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Date: 15 Apr 90 23:05:20 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: Non-Intel Bashing...
Message-ID: <5313@balu.UUCP>
Hi.
The exact name of the 20 MHz CMOS Z80 is : Z84C0020xxx
(where xxx is to be replaced by the case/temperature specifier)
But I personally don't see much sense in using this chip for a CP/M system.
It is intended for small and fast (TTL-I/O) controller boards. The features
you need for making any OS work aren't possible at that speed (think of DRAM
or the 4 MHz Z80-DMA).
Well, I know that the 68K is a very fine processor
(orthogonal Instruction Set, for example).
Would be my choice too, if I hadn't a Z180 system
(working on upgrade to 280).
I too am sorry that the 'standard' does not seem to be changeable anymore.
Some millions of 'these craps' won't be thrown away...
Tilmann
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Date: 16 Apr 90 18:42:00 GMT
From: csusac!unify!rdk386!usenet@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu
Subject: QTERM overlay for Ampro Little Board
Message-ID: <XX00000086@ijsys.UUCP>
Anyone out there have a working QTERM 4.x overlay for the Ampro
Little Board? The one in QTPATCH.LBR has a few things wrong with
it. Many thanks in advance.
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Date: 16 Apr 90 20:20:28 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!frip!andrew@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Klossner)
Subject: Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix
Message-ID: <6806@orca.wv.tek.com>
[]
"It might be instructive to write a little program to stuff all
2048 values into a DAA instruction, and tabulate the results.
That way you'd see what a real Z80 does in all cases."
Better yet, just use this table in your implementation of the DAA
emulator, and don't bother to work out the algorithm. This table
lookup is probably the fastest you can go without precompiling some
code.
-=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) [UUCP]
(andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA]
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 16:15:08 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #69
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 17 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 69
Today's Topics:
Bye510 Clock Inserts
DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c
HELP, my Kermit won't work with their Kermit
Trenton Computer Festival
WordStar 4.0 Console Patch Problem
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Date: 17 Apr 90 18:27:06 GMT
From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!umrose05@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Rose)
Subject: Bye510 Clock Inserts
Message-ID: <1990Apr17.182706.4505@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
I currently have Bye510 working on my Trs-80 Model 4, but it is
without a clock insert...What I am wondering, is...is there a clock insert
available specifically for the Trs-80 Model 4, or is it just a clock insert
for CPM 2.2 (Montezuma)...
Also, if there aren't any available, how hard would it be to program
a clock routine for a CPM 2.2 Machine....
Dave
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R2M-5H3 :
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Date: 17 Apr 90 18:57:30 GMT
From: omni!curt@uunet.uu.net (Curt Mayer)
Subject: DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c
Message-ID: <2031@omni.omni.com>
In article <3337@minyos.xx.rmit.oz> rxxqva@minyos.xx.rmit.oz (Quentin van Abbe) writes:
>I presently maintain for an outside group an aged EXIDY Sorcerer running CPM2.2
>I would like to transfer software back and forth via a DOS machine, but try as
>I may I cannot read my CPM disks on the PC. I've used SYDEX's ANADISK and
>disc copy routines, but neither analysis nor copy works. Nor do any of the
>other copy or analyse routines I've been able to locate.
this fails for a very simple reason. if this is a exidy disk system, it
uses the micropolis disk controllers and drives. these use 16 sector
hole media. any disk analysis program you have would have to read hard
sectored media. i have never heard of any non-hardware solution to this.
i have owned an sorcerer, and have hacked the hardware to do 80x24 video,
running at 5.5 mhz. berry ugly. anyway, one person who has full documents,
including schematics and extra rom-pacs, is:
harold gerbracht
pulse sciences inc
600 McCormick Street
San Leandro, CA 94577
(415) 632-5100
drop a dime to him and he can fill your ear in a hurry about exidy.
also, you might be able to talk him out of a copy of docs or spare
parts.
re: transfer to dos
2 solutions, 1 hard but fun, 1 easy but boring.
1) get a compupro disk1, plug it into your backplane,
hack the cbios to read/write ibm pcdos format yourself
using DOSDISK.
2) serial cable using pip/xmodem/whatever.
Curt Mayer
curt@omni.UUCP curt@omni.com
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Date: 17 Apr 90 17:52:31 GMT
From: voder!thoreau!rtodd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ron Todd)
Subject: HELP, my Kermit won't work with their Kermit
Message-ID: <43@thoreau.nsc.com>
Help, here's the situation, I've got version 4.09 of Kermit running on
my stock KAYPRO-II with a Volksmodem at 300baud. They have version
3.1.066 of VMS Kermit running on their VAX cluster with DECSERVER terminal
servers. I have tried everything I can think of and IT still happens.
IT is this: when I go to download files everything works fine upto
the time when the KAYPRO goes to write the disk with 16K of buffer; it
comes back, acts deaf for a while and then barfs up "Can't Receive".
I connect back to the remote and it is still sending packets, the same
one! I've tried reducing the buffer size as small as 2K and still the
same thing.
Can anyone help?? EMAIL or net are fine.
Ron Todd
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 17:36:00 EST
From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU
Subject: Trenton Computer Festival
Here is the latest word on the Trenton Computer Festival taking place
this weekend in Trenton, NJ. We hope to see lots of CP/M and Z-System
people at the all-day conference on Saturday.
---------------------------------------------------------------
April 14, 1990: TRENTON2.MSG
TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL
=========================
Saturday, April 21 -- Sunday, April 22, 1990
Mercer County College and Trenton State College
On Saturday, April 21, 1990, at Mercer County College, there will be an
all-day 8-Bit (CP/M and Z-System) workshop featuring as speakers the authors
of the most exciting new program offerings of the past two years. Door
prizes will be given out to those who register. With so many of the activists
in 8-bit computing coming to the show, I am pretty sure we will hold some
activities on Sunday morning as well.
In the evening, at Trenton State College, there will be the annual
banquet, featuring industry luminaries (past speakers have been Bill Gates
of MicroSoft and Seymour Rubenstein of WordStar). The featured guest this
year is David House, one of the leaders of Intel. The 8-bit community will
also be making a short presentation and giving out additional door prizes at
the banquet (official approval no longer pending; it was granted today).
The program as published is shown below. With all the new people coming,
we may break up some of the slots so that we can accommodate some additional
short talks. Information about getting to the festival has appeared in other
files and will not be repeated here.
10:00 Session Opens, general business and socializing
10:30 Bridger Mitchell: Tools for CP/M -- DosDisk, JetFind,
PluPerfect Writer, and the new ZMATE editor
11:45 SIG/M: Future of Public Domain Software
1:00 Jay Sage: Introduction to Z-System
2:15 Hal Bower, Cam Cotrill: The Future of 8-Bit
Operating Systems
3:30 Jay Sage: Computing Automation Using ARUNZ Scripts
4:20 Al Hawley: Assembly Language Programming and
the New ZMAC Assembler
4:45 Bridger Mitchell: Multitasking with BackGrounder ii
6:00 Free Time
7:00 Trenton Computer Festival Banquet
The following people are expected to be at the TCF workshop (please let
me know of any additions or corrections):
Hal Bower One of authors of ZSDOS/ZDDOS, the
date stamping disk operating systems
Lee Bradley Sysop of the Mouse House Z-Node #12 in
Hartford, CT
Cam Cotrill Another of the ZSDOS/ZDDOS authors, coming in
from Los Angeles
Ian Cottrell Author of latest versions of PBBS, coming in from
Ottawa
Bob Dean Sysop, Drexel Hill Z-Node #6 in Philadelphia
Rob Friefeld Author of LSH history shell and SALIAS alias
editor coming in from Los Angeles
Howard Goldstein Premier software sleuth, bug finder, and fixer
Al Hawley Author of REVAS, ZMAC; sysop of Ladera Z-Node
Central (#2) in Los Angeles
Liv Hinckley Sysop of Z-Node #15 in New York
Bridger Mitchell Principal of Plu*Perfect Systems, author of
DateStamper, BGii, Z3PLUS, DosDisk, and more,
coming from Los Angeles
Chris McEwen Principal behind the Z-System Software Update
Service; sysop of the Socrates Z-Node #32
Bruce Morgen Z-System programmer; founder of NAOG
(North American One-Eighty Group for SB180)
Dick Roberts Author of DRBS BBS program; sysop of Holly
Park Z-Node #21
Jay Sage Author of ZCPR34, ARUNZ; an architect of
the NZCOM and Z3PLUS autoinstall Z-Systems,
sysop of Z-Node #3 in Boston
Bob Schultz Currently working on a port of NZCOM to
multiuser systems
Carson Wilson The third of the ZSDOS authors and sysop of
the Antelope Freeway Z-Node in Chicago
---------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 90 14:54:36 EST
From: Pete Holsberg <pjh%mccc@Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Trenton Computer Festival
TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL 1990
The 15th annual Trenton Computer Festival will be held on April
21-22, 1990 on the campus of Mercer County Community College,
Trenton, NJ.
A ticket costs $7.00 ($3.00 for students and senior citizens) and
provides admission for both days. A "Sunday-only" ticket costs
$5.00.
The keynote speaker will be David House, executive vice president
of Intel Corp. He will speak in the Kelsey Theater at 4:00 PM
Saturday.
Tickets for the banquet are $15.00. Once more, Sol Libes will be
the master of ceremonies.
Because MCCC is a commuter college, the Flea Market will be
BIGGER THAN EVER BEFORE!!
ALL parking will be at Mercer County Park, with entrances on
Hughes Drive and on Old Trenton Rd. (county route 535). A free
bus will take you to within 50 feet of the ticket booth.
Directions To Trenton Computer Festival 1990
at Mercer County Community College,
1200 Old Trenton Rd., Trenton.
Automobile
From North via U. S. 1:
Follow U.S. 1 South of Princeton. Exit onto Quakerbridge
Road (South 533). After two miles, turn left onto Hughes
Drive. Hughes Drive passes Mercer County Park (automotive
parking) on left. Proceed to Old Trenton Road. Turn left on
Old Trenton Road to main campus entrance.
From South via U.S. 1:
Cross toll bridge into New Jersey on U. S. 1 Proceed North
past I-295 interchange. Exit onto Quakerbridge Road (South
522). After two miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive. Hughes
Drive passes Mercer County Park (automotive parking) on
left. Proceed to Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old Trenton
Road to main campus entrance.
From South via Interstate 95:
North on Interstate 95 which becomes Interstate 295 South.
Continue to U. S. 1 Exit. Exit onto U. S. 1 North. Proceed
one mile and exit onto Quakerbridge Road (South 533). After
two miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive. Hughes Drive passes
Mercer County Park (automotive parking) on left. Proceed to
Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old Trenton Road to main
campus entrance.
From South via Interstate 295:
North on Interstate 295 to U.S. 1 Exit. Exit onto U.S. 1
North. Proceed one mile and exit onto Quakerbridge Road
(South 533). After two miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive.
Hughes Drive passes Mercer County Park (automotive parking)
on left. Proceed to Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old
Trenton Road to main campus entrance.
From North via New Jersey Turnpike:
Exit at Exit 8 at Hightstown onto 33 West. Take 33 West to
571 in downtown Hightstown. Turn right onto 571. Take 571 to
535 (GE (former RCA) Space Center on right). Turn left on
535 (Old Trenton Road). MCCC is approximately 5 miles from
571. Old Trenton Road passes Mercer County Park (automobile
parking) on the right. Main campus entrance is next to park.
From South via New Jersey Turnpike:
Exit at Exit 7A onto Interstate 195 West. Interstate 195
West becomes Interstate 295 North. North on Interstate 295
to U.S. 1 Exit. Exit onto U.S. 1 North. Proceed one mile
and exit onto Quakerbridge Road (South 533). After two
miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive. Hughes Drive passes
Mercer County Park (automotive parking) on left. Proceed to
Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old Trenton Road to main
campus entrance.
Automobile Parking:
Automobile parking will be available at Mercer County Park
which is immediately adjacent to MCCC and has entrances on
both Hughes Road and Old Trenton Road on either side of the
college. Do not expect to park on the campus. Free parking
shuttle bus transportation will be available. Plan on a
half mile walk or a two mile bus ride.
By Public Transportation (Train):
Take AMTRAK, SEPTA, or New Jersey Transit to the AMTRAK
Station in Trenton. Bus service is available on Saturday,
hourly to Mercer County Community College from 7:00 AM to
10:00 PM. Take the 609 bus. Be sure the bus is marked
"609MCCC" as not all 609 buses travel to MCCC. No bus
service will be available on Sunday. No bus transportation
is available from Princeton Junction Station.
Prof. Peter J. Holsberg UUCP: {...!rutgers!}princeton!mccc!pjh
Eng'g Tech'gy/Comp'r/Math Mercer College - 1200 Old Trenton Road
Trenton, NJ 08690 Voice: 609-586-4800 FAX: 609-586-6944
Home of the 1990 TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL, April 21-22, 1990
------------------------------
Date: 17 Apr 90 12:48:27 PDT (Tuesday)
From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM
Subject: WordStar 4.0 Console Patch Problem
Message-ID: <900417-125101-4442@Xerox>
I upgraded my copy of CP/M WordStar 3.3 to the newer 4.0 version, but am
having trouble getting the function keys on my keyboard to work. Can
anyone give me a hand here? The computer is a Xerox 820-II, with a low
profile keyboard, and 5.0 ROM's.
Since for the most part, the 820's function keys return values above '7F',
and do not use the "burst" mode used by 4.0's FUNDLY::/FUNTBL::, I could
not use WS's function key area. I had to write my own console routines.
There are three optional console I/O routines that can be user supplied in
WS 4.0. They are UCNSTA:: (User Console Status), UCONI:: (User Console
Input), and UCONO:: (User Console Output). I only used UCNSTA:: and
UCONI::, as console output was fine the way it was.
The UCONI:: now checks first to see if a function key is already being
processed (multiple byte function). If not, it gets the next character
from console using BDOS function 6, Direct I/O. If this character is less
than '80' hex, it is passed back to WS. If it is a function key, it
references a look up table containing the number of keystroke bytes to be
passed back, and the actual keystroke bytes. A flag is set to show that
multiple bytes need to be passed, and the position in the look-up table is
stored. The first keystroke is then passed back to WS.
If a function key IS being processed, it grabs the next byte from the
look-up table, and passes it back to WS, same process as before, except the
flag is cleared once all the bytes have been passed back.
The UCNSTA:: simply checks the process flag. If it's true, it returns a
value stating that another character is ready from the console. If it's
false, then it calls BDOS function 11, the console status function. This
is how I handle the multiple byte functions from UCONI::.
It almost works, but not quite. I must type slow, or some characters are
duplicated, while others are missed. The cursor position is always
correct, even if a character is printed twice. Also, if I try to load a
new document, WS locks up. Old files load fine.
Can anyone give me a hand here? I suspect maybe part of my problem is in
using BDOS Call 6, but I can't figure another way to get a character
without if first being output to the console.
~ Mike
Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 04:15:25 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #70
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 19 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 70
Today's Topics:
Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility (2 msgs)
Dinosaur for sale...
DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c
Heee.
Osborne/QX-10/High-Density Drives
Wanted: Info on BBS
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 18 Apr 90 14:23:40 GMT
From: news@bbn.com (News system owner ID)
Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility
Message-ID: <55002@bbn.COM>
I am contemplating purchasing a WDI-II, which is a hard disk controller
that Cromemco used to offer for its S-100 computers. I am waiting for
a snail-mail reply from the seller regarding compatibility of this
controller with currently-available drives. I've been stung twice,
now, by Cromemco's non-standard signal assignments, on the 8" floppy
disk controller and the parallel printer card.
From: gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Path: bbn.com!gonzalez
So, has anyone had experience with the WDI-II? Has anyone succeeded in
using it with drives that are still available? If not, does anyone have
a line on an ST506, ESDI, or (unlikely) SCSI controller for S-100?
I sure wish I could go to the Trenton show this weekend; I'm sure they'd
have one down there.
-Jim.
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Date: 19 Apr 90 02:08:55 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility
Message-ID: <2395@ariel.unm.edu>
In article <55002@bbn.COM> gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
>So, has anyone had experience with the WDI-II? Has anyone succeeded in
>using it with drives that are still available? If not, does anyone have
>a line on an ST506, ESDI, or (unlikely) SCSI controller for S-100?
You've got to be either mistaken or messed up. the ST506 is a 5meg unbuffered
seek segate HD... i keep hearing people say "Thats a 80meg" and i've SEEN
St506's run, i have documentation for 506's and everything. ugh. a 5 meg drive.
what a sick thought. if you want 80megs, try part number ST4096 next time.
80.2 mb MFM, 96mb RLL. tis what my Leviathan has attached to it.
grr... if its one thing i'm a stickler for is correct part numbers. anyways,
if you REALLY wanna hook up a 506, tho i don't think you want to, all hard drive
controllers have support for the 506.
ST506 4 heads, 153 cylinders, 128 b Read/write comp., 128 b Write Precomp.
ST4096 9 heads, 1024 cylinders, 1024 b RWC, 0 Write Precomp.
Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account
This disclaimer space intentionally left blank.
"Buy a Z80 machine, call IBM and tell them to stuff it, and hack till
your chips burn out" - Random comment by me.
------------------------------
Date: 18 Apr 90 17:56:27 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!peregrine!ccicpg!cci632!sjfc!mdg2702@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Delgrosso)
Subject: Dinosaur for sale...
Message-ID: <980@sjfc.UUCP>
Does anyone remember the Kaypro? I didn't think so... Anyway, I have
a Kaypro IV '83 in excellent condition, with all of the original software
masters, backups, upgrades, books, and manuals, along with other commercial
and public domain software. It also has Rembrandt (a graphics upgrade with
software).
It has been a super little machine for me, but seeing as I have neither
the time nor the money to tinker anymore, I must unload it. It has been sitting
in my dorm room closet and I just don't have room for it. Like I said, it is
in excellent condition (it could use a head cleaning, though) and I have
made no alterations to it, with the exception of installing the graphics
upgrade chip. (I still have the chip that generates the Greek character set.)
The big question is, does ANYONE want to buy it, or know of ANYONE that
would?? PLEASE, oh pleeeeeeease send mail or post something ASAP. I have no
time or patience to call around to users groups or search through magazines,
so all of your help is GREATLY appreciated!! Thank you in advance!!
- Tony
--
*****************************************************************************
M. Anthony Delgrosso "I didn't do it. Nobody
St. John Fisher College saw me do it. You can't
Rochester, New York prove anything!"
...!cci632!sjfc!mdg2702 -Bart Simpson
*****************************************************************************
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Date: 18 Apr 90 00:32:07 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos!rxxqva@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Quentin van Abbe)
Subject: DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c
Message-ID: <3378@minyos.xx.rmit.oz>
Thanks to all the kind folks who responded to my original post. I've had
numerous helpful suggestions and comments, and have resolved the original
problem. The two m/cs now talk to each other, with the up/down-loading
working fine.
------------------------------
Date: 19 Apr 90 02:00:03 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: Heee.
Message-ID: <2394@ariel.unm.edu>
Re: quote.. "Let segment:offset be your punishment for your sins..."
sure.. by all means.. use it.. along with "Can you honestly trust a company
whose logo is falling apart? (Intel's "thing")"
Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account
This disclaimer space intentionally left blank.
"Buy a Z80 machine, call IBM and tell them to stuff it, and hack till
your chips burn out" - Random comment by me.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 09:21:02 edt
From: <DAN@BSN.MCEO.DG.COM>
Subject: Osborne/QX-10/High-Density Drives
Message-ID: <9004181421.AG00042@adam.DG.COM>
CEO file contents:
I have been reading this message board for some time, and a few
questions have come up that I hope someone may be able to help me on.
1. I recently got an Osborne 1 (in the Blue Case), but I hardly have
any technical information on it. Is there someone that can help me
get copies of the schematics, BIOS and PROM listings, and a technical
manual (if one was ever created). I am trying to get any information
on all the ports that I can get. I also have their modem which
connected to the special modem port and fit in the disk slot, and
would like information on that (I have the docs, I need technical
information).
2. I also have an Epson QX-10 with a Comfiler 10meg hard drive. Does
anybody have any technical information on that, and more importantly,
has anyone tried using that controller to control larger or a second
hard drive?
3. I have been reading all the discussions about hooking modern IBM
drives (both 5.25" and 3.5" disk drives) to old CP/M machines. The
Osborne 1 I recently got has a faulty B: drive, but A: works fine. I
was wondering if I could replace this with a high-density drive. The
advantage to this is that all the IBMs that I work with have the
high-density drives and I have programs that write Osborne (and QX-10)
format, but since I am using a high-density drive, the Osborne (and
the QX-10) cannot read them. I would also then like to change the
BIOS so that it could write an IBM compatible format.
4. I would also like to try and hook up a 5.25" disk drive to the
QX-10, but as a 3rd floppy. I know from the European version of the
machine that the controller can handle up to 4 drives. How difficult
would hooking up a 3.5" disk drive over the 5.25" drive (and would it
be able to read write without BIOS changes, even though it would not
use it full capacity).
Thanks in advance for any help that you can give me.
dan_zehme@bsn.ceo.dg.com
dan_zehme%bsn.ceo.dg.com@relay.cs.net
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Date: 18 Apr 90 05:22:25 GMT
From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!umrose05@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Rose)
Subject: Wanted: Info on BBS
Message-ID: <1990Apr18.052225.11218@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
>Yes, you can run 9600 on those old 8-Bits! There's an RCP/M right here in
>Houston that allows 9600+ bauds operations. The best BBS programs for CP/M
>right now are PBBS, PICS, and ZMSG. Of course you will also need ZCPR and all
>those goodies too. Phillip
Where can one obtain PBBS, PICS or ZMG???
I am quite interested...
--
Dave Rose : Local (UnixWS) - UMRose05@CCU.UManitoba.CA
P.O. Box 403 : Local (Amdahl) - #Rose05@CCM.UManitoba.CA
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: UUCP Node #005 - drose@trash.UUCP
R2M-5H3 :
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 09:41:34 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #71
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 20 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 71
Today's Topics:
Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility
Looking for software
ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility)
Z80 Users Manual bugs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 11:52:44 EST
From: Kevin J. Cummings <CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM>
Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility
In article <2359@ariel.unm.edu> unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) writes:
>In article <55002@bbn.COM> gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
>>So, has anyone had experience with the WDI-II? Has anyone succeeded in
>>using it with drives that are still available? If not, does anyone have
>>a line on an ST506, ESDI, or (unlikely) SCSI controller for S-100?
>
>You've got to be either mistaken or messed up. the ST506 is a 5meg unbuffered
>seek segate HD... i keep hearing people say "Thats a 80meg" and i've SEEN
>St506's run, i have documentation for 506's and everything. ugh. a 5 meg drive.
>what a sick thought. if you want 80megs, try part number ST4096 next time.
>80.2 mb MFM, 96mb RLL. tis what my Leviathan has attached to it.
>
>grr... if its one thing i'm a stickler for is correct part numbers. anyways,
OK, FLAME -ON
Jim is asking about a disk controller that uses the ST-506 INTERFACE, not about
an ST-506 disk drive! You may be a stickler for correct part numbers, but
when you decide to flame someone, PLEASE understand what that person is
talking about. There are 4 common disk drive interfaces today, ESDI, IDE, SCSI,
and ST-506 (also called MFM, also called ST412, etc, etc, etc). My ST-506
controller talks very nicely to any ST-506 interface drive including a ST4096
(if I chose to run one!). I have had Shugart 603's on it, and am currently
running a Miniscribe 3460 on it (Can you say 40MB, sure you can!).
ER! FLAME -OFF
BTW Jim, I was lucky enough to find a Morrow HDC/DMA years ago for a good price.
Good luck finding a good controller, they're becoming very scarce.
============================================================================
Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc.
20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass.
InterNet: CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM
CSNet: CUMMINGS%S55.Prime.COM@RELAY.CS.NET
UUCP: {uunet, csnet-relay}!S55.Prime.COM!CUMMINGS
Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration, I've come
to the conclusion that your new defense system SUCKS..."
============================================================================
------------------------------
Date: 19 Apr 90 22:23:57 GMT
From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!hprmokg!wgh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Hooper)
Subject: Looking for software
Message-ID: <30680001@hprmokg.HP.COM>
I have a CPM machine that i am looking for software for, particulary
on 8" disks. I currently have stuff like Wordstar with mail merge and
Calcstar and Datastar, although one file for Datastar became trashed
and i can't find the backup.
So, my request is for anyone who may have CPM software on 8" disks with
documentation to sell. I would like the replace my trashed Datastar also.
Thanks
Bill Hooper
wgh@hprmo
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Date: 20 Apr 90 03:05:14 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility)
Message-ID: <2409@ariel.unm.edu>
Agh. My mistake. Who would ever think that Segate (or even different companies
would use the same part number. thats vile.
at LEAST they could have the decency to call it DST506
Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account
This disclaimer space intentionally left blank.
"Life? Don't talk to me about life..." - Marvin, The Paranoid Android.
------------------------------
Date: 18 Apr 90 03:54:00 GMT
From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!ists!yunexus!geac!torsqnt!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!wayne.hortensiu@ucsd.edu (WAYNE HORTENSIU)
Subject: Z80 Users Manual bugs
Message-ID: <93f671a44d76262c00f8@canremote.uucp>
>I then dug out "The gospel according to Carr" (The Z80 user's manual,
>by Joseph Carr, ISBN 0-8359-9516-X ) - It has the following table for
>what happens in a DAA.
I'd be *REAL* careful about relying on the Carr book for much of
anything - *ESPECIALLY* the DAA instruction. I got bit by one of the
many, many typos and just plain errors in this book once upon a time,
and it took me a long while to figure out that I wasn't doing anything
wrong - it was the book!
The exact problem? Carr lists the DAA instruction as being usable after
the following instructions: ADD, ADC, INC, NEG, SUB and SBC. Not true.
INC doesn't alter the Carry flag, and when that sucker's set, DAA does
Very Interesting Things (it adds too much to the most significant
nibble). I ran into this in an interrupt driven RTC - the time was being
kept in BCD, and every time the interrupt happened when the Carry flag
was set, the time went gaga.
Other problems that I remember are missing opcodes in the opcode
listings, opcodes without detailed descriptions, etc. Carr is a very
nifty looking book - but it's not reliable information.
wayne.hortensiu@canremote.uucp
---
* Via ProDoor 3.1R
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 16:15:37 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #72
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 22 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 72
Today's Topics:
Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility
Multiple Z80 processors and righteous hacks.
ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility) (2 msgs)
SuperCalc configuration patches wanted
Trs80 Model 4 Clock
Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix
Z80 Users Manual bugs
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Date: 21 Apr 90 18:19:01 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!crdgw1!ge-dab!tarpit!bilver!bill@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility
Message-ID: <678@bilver.UUCP>
In article <9004200703.AA12141@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM (Kevin J. Cummings) writes:
>Jim is asking about a disk controller that uses the ST-506 INTERFACE, not about
>an ST-506 disk drive! You may be a stickler for correct part numbers, but
>when you decide to flame someone, PLEASE understand what that person is
>talking about. There are 4 common disk drive interfaces today, ESDI, IDE, SCSI,
>and ST-506 (also called MFM, also called ST412, etc, etc, etc).
ST-506 and ST-412 interfaces ARE NOT THE SAME.
The 506 specs have write precomp. The 412 doens't. The 506 precomp line is
is used in the 412 to switch to the other 8 heads.
506 can have 8 heads but no more, 412 can have 16.
This has been known to cause more than one person grief.
--
Bill Vermillion - UUCP: uunet!tarpit!bilver!bill
: bill@bilver.UUCP
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Date: 22 Apr 90 18:25:49 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdsu!crash!mwilson@think.com (Marc Wilson)
Subject: Multiple Z80 processors and righteous hacks.
Message-ID: <2352@crash.cts.com>
--
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Date: 21 Apr 90 03:53:35 GMT
From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!arcsun.arc.ab.ca!calgary!ccu!shad04@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Fandrich)
Subject: ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility)
Message-ID: <1990Apr21.035335.117@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
In article <6846@orca.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>[]
>
> "the ST506 is a 5meg unbuffered seek segate HD."
>
>Perhaps, but the term ST506 has also become associated with a
>particular design of hard disk interface controller. For example, in
>my Tektronix 6130 workstation, the motherboard includes an "ST506
>controller" which talks to a Maxtor 80MB disk drive.
Are you sure that's not really an ST412 controller (=ST506 with buffered
seeks)? If we're going to be sticklers with part numbers, we might as well
go all the way! :-)
>>> Dan
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Date: 22 Apr 90 02:05:22 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali!ogicse!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin)
Subject: ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility)
Message-ID: <96@simasd.UUCP>
Actually, the controller doesn't give a hoot whether it's an ST-506
(unbuffered) or an ST-412 (buffered seek). It just sends out step signals at
the rate that the hard-disk driver tells it to. However, if the drive is in
fact an ST-506, and some one forgets to enter the appropriate step rate in the
driver - assumes buffered seek, that is - it will just about 'buzz' that poor
old unbuffered thing to death!
UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Date: 22 Apr 90 02:05:12 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin)
Subject: SuperCalc configuration patches wanted
Message-ID: <95@simasd.UUCP>
Knowing which version of SuperCalc would be useful information.
UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
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Date: 21 Apr 90 23:39:57 GMT
From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!umlecla3@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Leclair)
Subject: Trs80 Model 4 Clock
Message-ID: <1990Apr21.233957.5959@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Would anyone know how to access the real time clock on the Trash model 4
using cpm 2.2?
Can it be done?
Brian
------
Umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brian Leclair)
------------------------------
Date: 21 Apr 90 15:33:38 GMT
From: cucstud!tfd!kent@uunet.uu.net (Kent Hauser)
Subject: Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix
Message-ID: <1829@tfd.UUCP>
In article <5248@quack.UUCP>, mrapple@quack.UUCP (Nick Sayer) writes:
>
> I am writing a Z-80 emulator in C as part of a CP/M-on-unix package.
> It will be PD if/when I finish it (except for the parts still
> copyrighted by Digital Research, if any. Confirmation anyone?).
>
...
> Is anyone interested in this package if/when I finish it? It's
> fairly straightforward. The way it'll work is you make a file
> of a certain size (or more than one, if you want), then specify
> that file on the command line. That file will then be a CP/M
> disk. You can also connect files to CP/M's devices, like
> PTR:/PTP:, etc. The tough part will be getting BDOS/CCP installed.
> I'm fairly sure BIOS won't present any major problems.
> --
> Nick Sayer - The Duck Pond public unix - 209-952-5347 (Telebit)
> ---------------------------------+---------------------------------
> quack!mrapple@uop.edu !
> ...pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple ! And now, The Fish Slapping Dance
> N6QQQ (145.75 - TCP/IP soon) !
I'm the one who started this thread a while back & I can tell
you that I would want it.
What I need to do is to be able to run an old CP/M c-compiler under unix.
I'm sure that the only "bdos" calls the compiler makes is for
sequential disk reads/writes, and console writes.
None of the "raw" termio, printer, etc, stuff is needed. In fact,
none of the "ccp" & "bdos" & etc is needed, just a way to handle the
dozen or so common system calls & to get the program running. No
reason to use the digital research bdos -- just translate the
"read sequential" into a unix read, etc.
Besides, who would want to use the "ccp" commands anyway? All it
does is parse the command line (let /bin/sh do that), setup the
base page (no big deal), implement "era" & friends (who would
want them) & print "BAD LOAD" (extra credit for knowing why!).
I think that a z80 emulator would be a long way to getting a working emulator.
Kent
--
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(202) 408-0841
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 03:00:15 EDT
From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough)
Subject: Z80 Users Manual bugs
Message-ID: <XX000112e8@pallio.UUCP>
wayne.hortensiu@canremote.uucp says:
> I say:
>> I then dug out "The gospel according to Carr" (The Z80 user's manual,
>> by Joseph Carr, ISBN 0-8359-9516-X ) - It has the following table for
>> what happens in a DAA.
>
> I'd be *REAL* careful about relying on the Carr book for much of
> anything - *ESPECIALLY* the DAA instruction. I got bit by one of the
> many, many typos and just plain errors in this book once upon a time,
> and it took me a long while to figure out that I wasn't doing anything
> wrong - it was the book!
I've had my suspicions about the book - it does have it's typos. My own
worst complaint is that there is _NO_ reference anywhere to instruction
timing: how many T states and how many M cycles does a particular
instruction take? Still, that can be taken from Zilog's own Z80 data
sheet. I suppose that one day I'll have to write up something for the
Z80, based on how the CPU in my system here works ....... one day .....
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 12:15:22 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #73
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 23 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 73
Today's Topics:
.ZOO type archives
Dbase II on a Model IV
Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources
INFO-CPM Digest V90 #64
Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV
Message for Wilker..
Qterm. (2 msgs)
ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility)
SuperCalc configuration patches wanted
What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 23:08 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: .ZOO type archives
Message-ID: <A8ADA1FF61DF804CA0@uwplatt.edu>
Is there a program for extracting files from .ZOO type archives for
cp/m systems? Or does anyone have information on what the format
of .ZOO files is?
Thanks in advance.
Lance Tagliapietra (ucslct@uwplatt.edu) or (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet)
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 23:02 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: Dbase II on a Model IV
Message-ID: <A8AE650AB7BF804CA0@uwplatt.edu>
Has anyone gotten Dbase II to work properly on a TRS-80 Model IV
using Montezuma Micro CP/M. I have a working copy for my Osborne
1, and the DBINST.COM installation program. The osborne version
loads in and runs, but gives a very strange cursor
(inverse video m)@(block cursor) and prints this sequence between
every character entered. I also have the demonstration program
for Dbase II which runs fine (no strange characters). It signs
on as version 2.3B DEMONSTRATOR. Also, what is the difference
between this version, and the non-demonstrator version, besides
that the installation program does not seem to work with it.
If you need more info to help me, just ask, any hints would be
appreciated.
Lance
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Date: 22 Apr 90 21:24:44 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!suned1!efb@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Everett F Batey II)
Subject: Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources
Message-ID: <4016@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>
Have a dedicated Northstar based system. Looking for a source of no
longer locally available DS DD 10 RH 5.25 floppies. Used to be we
could get 3M. They Double Sided, Dual Density, Ten Sectors per track,
Reinforced hub floppies. Thanks for any ideas in the Southwest, chains
or reputable mail order houses. /Ev/
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 11:56 EDT
From: "Bill Weinel" <WWH%NCCIBM1.BITNET@ncsuvm.ncsu.edu>
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #64
Can anyone tell me if there is a compilation of the SIMTEL CP/M
file directories available for file request? Many thanks in advance..
Bill
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 01:12 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV
Message-ID: <A709F158DD1F805832@uwplatt.edu>
Hi,
Has anyone written an interrupt driven overlay for IMP, ZMODEM, or
KERMIT. I am having troubles loosing characters while in terminal
mode of these programs. File transfers are not a problem, though.
Has anyone else had this problem? I band-aid fix I have found is
to have the host insert two nulls after every line feed. I would
like a better cure for the problem, though. Has anyone else
experienced this problem?
Lance Tagliapietra (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet) or (ucslct@uwplatt.edu)
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 11:32 EDT
From: Brainwave Surfer <AGNEW@Ruby.VCU.EDU>
Subject: Message for Wilker..
Dear infocpmer's, this messages bounced, so I'm stuffing it into the net...
>To: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu
Dear Clarence Wilker,
Sorry it took so long, but I've found that adding hard disks to a VT180
would be about 500 dollars... Will save up for a 386 instead!! If you
want sources and supplies to do it, mail me back and I'll send them.
It is doable, though, and if you want to keep a cp/m system running,
there is quite a LOT of stuff still availiable out there..
Jim agnew, AGNEW@VCUVAX.BITNET
End of line. -- NCP, "Tron"
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Date: 23 Apr 90 04:27:56 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin)
Subject: Qterm.
Message-ID: <674@tharr.UUCP>
In article <5876.262db74e@vax1.tcd.ie> jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (Manic Minstrel.) writes:
>
>I wonder could someone post me a copy of QTERM41E.LBR that appears on
>TRICKLE?
>
>The reason I'm asking is that I have tried to get it five times, and
>it seems that it doesn't want to fetch it for me :-(
I have been having similar problems myself. I have reported this to the
TRICKLE operators. Let's hope something comes out of it.
BTW. Could anyone who has it mail it to me too?
--
If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones.
pm111@uucp.tharr INTERNET: pm111%uucp.tharr@ukc.ac.uk
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Date: 19 Apr 90 13:04:14 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (Manic Minstrel.)
Subject: Qterm.
Message-ID: <5876.262db74e@vax1.tcd.ie>
I wonder could someone post me a copy of QTERM41E.LBR that appears on
TRICKLE?
The reason I'm asking is that I have tried to get it five times, and
it seems that it doesn't want to fetch it for me :-(
Thanks in advance.
J.
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Date: 19 Apr 90 19:40:26 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!frip!andrew@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Klossner)
Subject: ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility)
Message-ID: <6846@orca.wv.tek.com>
[]
"the ST506 is a 5meg unbuffered seek segate HD."
Perhaps, but the term ST506 has also become associated with a
particular design of hard disk interface controller. For example, in
my Tektronix 6130 workstation, the motherboard includes an "ST506
controller" which talks to a Maxtor 80MB disk drive.
-=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) [UUCP]
(andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA]
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Date: 19 Apr 90 18:20:05 GMT
From: capmkt!bandy@apple.com (Guru Drew)
Subject: SuperCalc configuration patches wanted
Message-ID: <437@capmkt.COM>
One of the goodies I got with my Osborne-1 when I bought it ..er.. a couple
of months after I had taken receipt of it was a copy of SuperCalc. Well,
the old gal isn't what she used to be, so I'd like to run my copy of
SuperCalc on my S-100 hardware using an AAA terminal. Does anyone have
configuration patches for SuperCalc so I can run it on any old terminal?
The configuration program that came with it [SINSTALL] would only change
the terminal size, printer size and printer initialization string...
Anta^udankon,
Andy Beals
+1 415 540 6400
bandy@capmkt.com
bandy@mica.berkeley.edu
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 17:34 HST
From: Ralph Becker-Szendy <RALPH%UHHEPG.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive
Hi
The subject line says it all: A Shugart 800 8" drive contains exactly one
transistor, close to the left rear corner. It is marked S-PN2222A.
Unfortunately, the one in my drive was sheared off, no hope of ever getting it
soldered back on. Question: What type is this transistor, expressed in a more
normal part number ? What 2Nxxxx can I use instead of it ??? Please no exotic
types, getting hardware out here in the middle of the Pacific is pretty hard.
Thanks so much
Ralph Becker-Szendy UHHEPB=24730::RALPH (HEPNet,SPAN)
University of Hawaii RALPH@UHHEPG.PHYS.HAWAII.EDU
High Energy Physics Group RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET
Watanabe Hall #203, 2505 Correa Road, Honolulu, HI 96822 (808)948-7391
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 11:15:22 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #74
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 24 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 74
Today's Topics:
CPM/Kaypro 4 Software wanted
Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility
Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources
Osborne Executive
Qterm.
REQUEST: BIOS jump table
Strange machine
Trenton Computer Festival summary?
What is a Northstar Horizon Worth??
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Date: 20 Apr 90 21:05:58 GMT
From: motcid!svec@uunet.uu.net (Larry Svec)
Subject: CPM/Kaypro 4 Software wanted
Message-ID: <2501@feldspar2.UUCP>
I recently acquired an old KAYPRO 4. I only got a copy of WORDSTAR
with it and am looking to get more software for it. Anything would
be appreciated (Editor, Communications pkg, games etc). Would anyone
in 'netland' be willing to provide some if I provide a SASE and
disk(s)? Are there any other BBSs or places I can get CPM Software
that would work on it? It is stock equipment with 2 5" disk drives.
work: 708-632-5259
home: 708-526-1256
Thankyou, Larry Svec
--
Larry Svec - KD9OF
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Date: 20 Apr 90 16:01:07 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!copper!michaelk@uunet.uu.net (Michael D. Kersenbrock)
Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility
Message-ID: <2306@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM>
"Jim is asking about a disk controller that uses the ST-506
INTERFACE, not about an ST-506 disk drive! You may be a stickler
for correct part numbers, but when you decide to flame someone,
PLEASE understand what that person is talking about. There are 4
common disk drive interfaces today, ESDI, IDE, SCSI, and ST-506
(also called MFM, also called ST412, etc, etc, etc)."
My understanding is that the ST412 is a buffered seek version of ST-506
which is why many controllers or disks may say ST506/ST412. Most, if not
all, drives that called "ST506 interface" are really ST412 ones, but are
called ST506 for historical reasons.
Also, a drive with a ST506/ST412 interface can be running RLL encoding
as well (the drive itself really can't tell if it's RLL or MFM, only
it's controller knows for sure).
Dang young whippersnappers! Don't know computer history! I remember
when I used to walk twenty bytes to school everyday, through chad-snow
twenty inches deep! ..... :-)
--
Mike Kersenbrock
Tektronix Microprocessor Development Products
michaelk@copper.WR.TEK.COM
Aloha, Oregon
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Date: 23 Apr 90 15:01:54 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources
Message-ID: <55181@bbn.COM>
In article <4016@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> efb@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Everett F Batey II) writes:
>Have a dedicated Northstar based system. Looking for a source of no
>longer locally available DS DD 10 RH 5.25 floppies. Used to be we
>could get 3M. They Double Sided, Dual Density, Ten Sectors per track,
>Reinforced hub floppies. Thanks for any ideas in the Southwest, chains
>or reputable mail order houses. /Ev/
The last time I bought hard-sector diskettes for the Horizon, I got them
from Inmac. Inmac is a large supplier that focuses on corporate computer
users, but also deals with provate individuals. They are not a discount
house, but their prices are OK. They listed their private-label 10-sector
floppies at $1.69 each, this time last year. The prices drops to $1.39
in quantites of 60 or more. They have local offices in LA and San Diego
(you said "Southwest", but I believe JPL is SoCal). Phone numbers for
Inmac:
Catalog (US) 800-826-8180
Catalog (CA) 800-722-0085
LA sales 213-852-0973
San Diego sales 619-266-2144
Sunnyvale sales 408-737-7777
Tempe, AZ sales 602-438-0500
If you don't find any other suppliers, these guys will have them. Good luck.
-Jim.
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Date: 23 Apr 90 02:42:30 GMT
From: peregrine!ccicpg!cci632!rit!ultb!clf3678@uunet.uu.net (C.L. Freemesser)
Subject: Osborne Executive
Message-ID: <2871@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Howdy folks.
I recently picked up an Osborne Executive, and am looking for all the
info I can find on it. It's in great condition, and has 2 DD drives.
Basically, I'd like to find some sort of terminal program so I can
download programs for it from GEnie on my Atari ST, and transfer them
over.
I got quite a few manuals, but didn't get anything that actually teaches
how to use the thing.
It looks quite interesting and I'd like to start messing around with it.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Chris Freemesser, Rochester Institute of Technology ( THE ACORN BBS
||| BITNET: clf3678@ritvax ) (716)436-3078
||| Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.isc.edu ( 2400 baud/42 megs
/ | \ GEnie: C.FREEMESSER ) full Atari support
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 1990 17:38 MDT
From: "Frank J. Wancho" <WANCHO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Qterm.
Message-ID: <WANCHO.12584218807.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
If the LISTSERV/TRICKLE servers can't get a particular file from us,
it's highly likely that a newer version became available. That is the
case with QTERM, which is now QTERM42G.LBR in PD2:<CPM.QTERM>.
Best to get a fresh directory listing first before complaining, and
best to complain to one of us if the file disappeared rather than a
new version taking its place.
--Frank
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Date: 23 Apr 90 06:58:09 GMT
From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Nick Sayer)
Subject: REQUEST: BIOS jump table
Message-ID: <5299@quack.UUCP>
It's time for me to start writing the BIOS for my CP/M emulator.
(Not all the bugs in the Z-80 are gone, but the alpha-testing
is showing fruit, so to speak). Could someone please pass along
the layout of the BIOS jump table? Specifically, entry and
exit conditions, effect(s), and in the case of cold and warm
boots, where to jump to on completion (I presume a cold boot
terminates by falling into the warm boot, and that the
warm boot terminates by calling BDOS 13, reading in the CCP
and jumping to the first byte of the CCP, but I'm not sure).
Thanks in advance.
--
Nick Sayer - The Duck Pond public unix - 209-952-5347 (Telebit)
---------------------------------+---------------------------------
quack!mrapple@uop.edu ! Disclaimer:
...pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple ! "I ain't gonna touch it, but the
N6QQQ (145.75 - TCP/IP soon) ! title alone gets two snaps up."
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Date: 24 Apr 90 01:12:14 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@apple.com (William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: Strange machine
Message-ID: <29247@cup.portal.com>
Recently recived a slighty strange machine, and wanted to get some
input on it. Its not a bad machine, but a little odd, and in being
odd, may be hard to do certian things...
First off, its called a DE-100 Disk Emulator, from Design Analysis
Associates. Theres two ports on the back: console, and remote. Both
are RS-232C. The console is at 9600 right now, and remote is 2400.
On the front is where the bizzare stuff comes into play. First, its
got a 700k DSDD 3.5" disk. the front panel has a bunch of ports:
a floppy connector (standard 5.25" not 8"), and a whole array of
LEDs that match each line on a floppy connector (track 00, select,
etc)
Then theres five other ports for hard drives (5.25"): one address
buss, and four data buss connectors, and the same LED array.
Inside is a card cage, mounted on a hinge, with about 10 cards.
The CPU is a Z80A (or it may be an H).
It runs CP/M 2.2, comes up with 62k RAM, and runs ZCPR2 and ZCPR
3.4 just fine, it even has a version of MDM and its associated
overlay. It also as a RAM drive at C: with about 189k. Also included
is the disk emulator software, which of course I have no idea how
to use! One thing, somewhere along the line I ran a program
called MEMTEST, which does some insane diags (takes 41 minutes
to complete!) It states 'STD-buss 256k'. I seem to remember
STD-buss from somewhere, but cant place it..
Anyone? The machine was basiclly free (part of a trade deal. But
since I dont have a personal CP/M machine, its the best I got. A
Xerox 820-II is running a BBS, so I cant use that...)
Billy D'Augustine
Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
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Date: 23 Apr 90 21:30:17 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!curtis@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Curtis R. Anderson)
Subject: Trenton Computer Festival summary?
Message-ID: <22777@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>
Can some attendee of the festival provide some kind of summary for those of us
who missed going?
--Curtis
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Date: 20 Apr 90 18:50:53 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!upvax!dave@uunet.uu.net (David Taylor)
Subject: What is a Northstar Horizon Worth??
Message-ID: <1078@upvax.UUCP>
Could someone give me an idea of the value of a NorthStar Horizon
that has four user modules two floppy drives and a large external
hard drive.
Thanks
Dave
dave@upvax.UUCP
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 03:15:21 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #75
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 26 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 75
Today's Topics:
8" drives and BBSes (3 msgs)
Comm Program for a Morrow MD-3
Qterm.
QX-10 tech info (2 msgs)
Strange machine
What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive (2 msgs)
Z80 Users Manual bugs
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Date: 24 Apr 90 13:39:18 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!nuchat!sugar!ficc!peter@ucsd.edu (Peter da Silva)
Subject: 8" drives and BBSes
Message-ID: <IO=2M+Cxds13@ficc.uu.net>
Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think with
the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with disks
wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing reasons not
to run a BBS?
--
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/ \ 'U` Have you hugged your wolf today? <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>
\_.--._/
v Disclaimer: People have opinions, organisations have policy.
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Date: 26 Apr 90 00:26:16 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!compata@apple.com (David H Close)
Subject: 8" drives and BBSes
Message-ID: <29312@cup.portal.com>
Peter da Silva <peter@ficc.uu.net> writes:
" Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think wit
h
" the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with disk
s
" wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing reasons no
t
" to run a BBS?
Back around 1978 I was involved in a project to build a 3270 cluster emulator
with local processing. Disk storage was up to 4 8" floppies. One day, when
the system stopped responding, we checked the cabinet. One door wouldn't
open. When we finally pried it open, we extracted the diskette jacket but
a large arc of the vinyl inside was missing. It had been chewed off and
pulled out through the r/w slot. The jack was UNdamaged!
So, yes, drives that run constantly are a real problem. But not all 8" drives
run constantly. The Tandon 848 doesn't, amoung others.
Dave Close, Compata, Arlington, Texas
compata@cup.portal.com
compata@mcimail.com
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Date: 25 Apr 90 15:16:03 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!crdgw1!ge-dab!tarpit!bilver!bill@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: 8" drives and BBSes
Message-ID: <688@bilver.UUCP>
In article <IO=2M+Cxds13@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes:
>Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think with
>the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with disks
>wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing reasons not
>to run a BBS?
Several of my friends used to do that. There are a couple of things to note.
If you are using the old style full height drives, with AC motors, the system
do run a lot. I ran an 8" 24 hour per day for a couple of years. What
happens is the bearing clamping rings go first.
There have been kits designed to power off the AC motors, and only fire up
when data is accessed. Seem to work quite well. You'd probably have to home
brew your own. There was circuit diagram published YEARS ago in one of the
CMP oriented magazines, if I remember correctly.
If you are using one of the newer 8" drives, eg Shugart 860, or the Tandon 82x
series, they are DC drive. Early models were belt drive, later direct driven.
They power up the motor on data access, as an option, and drives run only when
you need them. The ONLY thing you need to do on those type systems is
install a delay so that the drive is at speed before data is tried or you get
"not found" or similar errors.
I put away my 8" drives (except on my Max80) a long time ago.
bill
--
Bill Vermillion - UUCP: uunet!tarpit!bilver!bill
: bill@bilver.UUCP
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Date: 26 Apr 90 01:00:22 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!en.ecn.purdue.edu!palermo@purdue.edu (Dan Palermo)
Subject: Comm Program for a Morrow MD-3
Message-ID: <1990Apr26.010022.28601@ecn.purdue.edu>
Hello all,
I am looking for anyone that has a Morrow Designs MD-3. (1 or 2 will also
probably fit my search) We have one of these machines and some software
we would like to get running, but no communication program to download files
to the machine. (even though we have source for a couple on our system)
If anyone out there has a copy of kermit-80 or any other public domain
comm program for this computer (on disk) please mail me at the below address.
I would be interested in somehow obtaining a copy (on disk) so we can get
this machine back on its feet.
Dan Palermo
Thanks, Purdue University
Dan Palermo 507 Shreve Hall
palermo@ecn.purdue.edu W Lafayette, IN 47906
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Date: 25 Apr 90 08:54:15 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin)
Subject: Qterm.
Message-ID: <675@tharr.UUCP>
Thanks to all who mailed me QTERM.
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 16:50 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: QX-10 tech info
Hi!
I have the techinical manual for Epson QX-10. Nothing on Hard disk,
but I can help with floppies.
YES!! The US output of the uPD765 is decoded into ALL FOUR drive
select signals, something that doesn't always happen with two-drive
machines (IBM-PC, especially the Jr.). But, You DO have to modify
the bios - actually, it can be modified by an application software,
and that's the beauty of it. I think you should talk to Epson and
ask for the BIOS listing as well as info on Extended BIOS. (BIOS
being NOT the ROM but the CP/M BIOS!!! - that's why it can be modified
with an application...)
Drop me a line directly, and I'll see what I can do to help you.
-John
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 16:50 EST
From: "No, me?" <JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: QX-10 tech info
Hi!
I have the techinical manual for Epson QX-10. Nothing on Hard disk,
but I can help with floppies.
YES!! The US output of the uPD765 is decoded into ALL FOUR drive
select signals, something that doesn't always happen with two-drive
machines (IBM-PC, especially the Jr.). But, You DO have to modify
the bios - actually, it can be modified by an application software,
and that's the beauty of it. I think you should talk to Epson and
ask for the BIOS listing as well as info on Extended BIOS. (BIOS
being NOT the ROM but the CP/M BIOS!!! - that's why it can be modified
with an application...)
Drop me a line directly, and I'll see what I can do to help you.
-John
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Date: 24 Apr 90 20:51:24 GMT
From: rochester!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!ttak@rutgers.edu (Timothy Takahashi)
Subject: Strange machine
Message-ID: <6867@ur-cc.UUCP>
In article <29247@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes:
>First off, its called a DE-100 Disk Emulator, from Design Analysis
>Associates. Theres two ports on the back: console, and remote. Both
>are RS-232C. The console is at 9600 right now, and remote is 2400.
I think it was sold circa 1982 as a diskette duplicator, could read and write
zillions of formats then in use.
tim
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Date: 24 Apr 90 22:30:43 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive
Message-ID: <2487@ariel.unm.edu>
In article <A749E44FA91FA005D2@uhhepg.bitnet> RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET (Ralph Becker-Szendy) writes:
>Hi
>
>The subject line says it all: A Shugart 800 8" drive contains exactly one
>transistor, close to the left rear corner. It is marked S-PN2222A.
>Unfortunately, the one in my drive was sheared off, no hope of ever getting it
>soldered back on. Question: What type is this transistor, expressed in a more
>normal part number ? What 2Nxxxx can I use instead of it ??? Please no exotic
>types, getting hardware out here in the middle of the Pacific is pretty hard.
That part (According to the Shugart SA800/801 Maintance Manual) is 2N2907A
[Excerpt from shematics]: Note #5 - All transitstors are 2N2907A.
Hope this helps....
Techs
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Date: 25 Apr 90 01:18:20 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive
Message-ID: <2935@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <A749E44FA91FA005D2@uhhepg.bitnet>, RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET (Ralph Becker-Szendy) writes:
>
> The subject line says it all: A Shugart 800 8" drive contains exactly one
> transistor, close to the left rear corner. It is marked S-PN2222A.
> ? What 2Nxxxx can I use instead of it ??? Please no exotic
> types, getting hardware out here in the middle of the Pacific is pretty hard.
>
The 2Nxxxx equivalent of that is a 2N2222, which is EXTREMELY
non-exotic, it's rediculous. That's a very common part, a
switching transistor. Just pop on down to your favorite
neighborhood RatShack store and snag one, or whatever your favorite
electronics parts provider is.
> Thanks so much
Anytime.
--
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6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
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Date: 26 Apr 90 02:54:39 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!clotho!trilo@ucsd.edu (Ross Presser)
Subject: Z80 Users Manual bugs
Message-ID: <=JZ#13&@rpi.edu>
The reference I've always used on the Z80 is "Programming the Z80", by
(I think) Rodnay Zaks. It may be out of print. It has a page
(sometimes two) for each mnenomic, giving all usable operands,
addressing modes, timing, and other information.
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INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 28 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 76
Today's Topics:
8" drives and BBSes (2 msgs)
Decompressing *.?Y? files.
Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV (2 msgs)
Magazine Questions
Qterm.
What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive
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Date: 25 Apr 90 17:42:19 GMT
From: sumax!quick!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (William Swan)
Subject: 8" drives and BBSes
Message-ID: <699@flash.UUCP>
In article <IO=2M+Cxds13@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes:
>Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think with
>the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with disks
>wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing reasons not
>to run a BBS?
I don't know about floppy life while just turning, but you *don't* want
to leave the drive spinning with the head loaded.
Alspa Computer had a customer who was complaining about short disk life;
in several (3?) days of constant operation the disk would wear through.
After we spent some time examining the heads of the Tandon drives (which
had a manually operated head load mechanism - when the disk is inserted
the head is down) and finding no rough spots, I saw on one of the disk
boxes a spec of something like 1 million revs life.
Well, 1 million revs turns out to be about 2 days of constant use. The
guy was just simply wearing out the directory track!!
At that discovery we implemented automatic motor on/off control in the
BIOS. End of (that) problem.
--
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Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years (or more):
Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002.
In now: 1 year, 3 months, 0 weeks, 5 days.
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Date: 27 Apr 90 19:48:56 GMT
From: ssbell!mcmi!unocss!fg041@uunet.uu.net (fg041)
Subject: 8" drives and BBSes
Message-ID: <2949@unocss.unomaha.edu>
hooked up a relay (with solid state relay driver) to one of the unused
outputs of one of the UARTS to turn on the motors when a call would come
in and to urn them back off when the session ended. It worked fine.
Some of the earlier releases of BYE have conditionals for this
already in.
Good Day! JSW
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Date: 28 Apr 90 07:30:45 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin)
Subject: Decompressing *.?Y? files.
Message-ID: <684@tharr.UUCP>
To uncompress .?Y? files you can use UCRLZH.COM, LT29.COM and others which I
don't remember.
Compression methods:
Q Squeezed : Huffman squeezing
Z Crunched : Lempel-Ziv-Welch crunching
Y LZH'd : LHARC-type compression.
--
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Date: 27 Apr 90 09:53:38 GMT
From: oliveb!amdahl!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@apple.com (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV
Message-ID: <2951@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <1990Apr26.185653.21233@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umrose05@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dave Rose) writes:
> In article <A709F158DD1F805832@uwplatt.edu> UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes:
> When I want to to file transferring I use
> ZMP. It is a great little program.
I agree 100%. I use it for almost all of my downloads from BBSs
and my machine-to-machine transfers. I especially like its ease of
use, and that it has Zmodem. For my Kermit needs, I use Qterm.
Not to forget VT100 and other neat things.
>
> So unless you can get your system to issue nulls, you're kinda outa luck.
> I've tried tons of programs written in cpm, but not one handles it right.
> All of them miss the first few characters.
Yeah, I know what you're saying about the interrupt thing. I tried
to no avail to write an interrupt-driven routine to buffer incoming
text for the Apple ][ Plus running a SoftCard, but no dice. But
then again, my main reason for BBSing with that machine is getting
files.
--
Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet"
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Date: 28 Apr 90 03:54:07 GMT
From: ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!umrose05@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Dave Rose)
Subject: Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV
Message-ID: <1990Apr28.035407.24043@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
In article <2951@sactoh0.UUCP> ianj@sactoh0.UUCP (Ian R. Justman) writes:
>I agree 100%. I use it for almost all of my downloads from BBSs
>and my machine-to-machine transfers. I especially like its ease of
>use, and that it has Zmodem. For my Kermit needs, I use Qterm.
>Not to forget VT100 and other neat things.
>
>
>
>Yeah, I know what you're saying about the interrupt thing. I tried
>to no avail to write an interrupt-driven routine to buffer incoming
>text for the Apple ][ Plus running a SoftCard, but no dice. But
>then again, my main reason for BBSing with that machine is getting
>files.
Yea, well as soon as I get the driver programs for my Trs-80 Model 4, I'll
be able to get this 15meg hard drive going...Then I'm gonna run a BBS.
Dave
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P.O. Box 403 : Local (Amdahl) - #Rose05@CCM.UManitoba.CA
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: UUCP Node #005 - drose@trash.UUCP
R2M-5H3 :
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Date: 28 Apr 90 16:41:07 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Magazine Questions
Message-ID: <55481@bbn.COM>
I have some news and questions about magazines that cover CP/M and S-100.
I picked up what turns out to be the last issue of MicroCornucopia, this
week. MicroC has been referred to by several folks here as one of last
places for articles on, and adverisements, of CP/M and S-100 products.
As with so many other magazines, their CP/M coverage had dwindled to
nothing. Oh well.
I looked over my sample copy of Supermicro, which is the magazine that
evolved from the S-100 journal. I had written here last year that I
thought they weren't worth $6 an issue ($24 a year). I'm having second
thoughts, considering that they seem to be the *only* venue remaining
for hardware discussion. The issue I received, #2, includes an article
on IEEE-696 (S-100) DMA arbitration circuitry, and another on commercially-
available SCSI controllers (including Compupro and Lomas S-100). I may
give these guys another try. Has anyone seen a more recent issue? Has
their publication schedule improved?
I've got a subscription to The Computer Journal, which is the magazine
that Jay Sage promotes here. I've only received one issue so far, so
it's too early to judge. It looks like it would be most useful to a
Z-System aficianado.
So, I guess it's time for that age-old question. Has anyone encountered
any other good magazines? I'm expecially interested in hardware articles,
like the stuff that Byte *used* to publish.
-Jim.
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Date: 28 Apr 90 07:36:53 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin)
Subject: Qterm.
Message-ID: <685@tharr.UUCP>
In article <WANCHO.12584218807.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> WANCHO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL ("Frank J. Wancho") writes:
>If the LISTSERV/TRICKLE servers can't get a particular file from us,
>it's highly likely that a newer version became available. That is the
>case with QTERM, which is now QTERM42G.LBR in PD2:<CPM.QTERM>.
>
>Best to get a fresh directory listing first before complaining, and
>best to complain to one of us if the file disappeared rather than a
>new version taking its place.
>
>--Frank
I think the problem lies in TRICKLE not getting the directories for some of
the <CPM> areas. In one area <CPM.SQUSQ> the 00-INDEX.TXT doesn't match the
directory that TRICKLE has.
If you request something that is not in TRICKLE's directory, the request is
rejected.
This seems to be the root of the problem.
--
If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones.
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Date: 27 Apr 90 19:44:38 GMT
From: ssbell!mcmi!unocss!fg041@uunet.uu.net (fg041)
Subject: What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive
Message-ID: <2948@unocss.unomaha.edu>
anything similar (2N2222, 2N3904, etc (NPN)) will work.
Try your local RS or any electronics distributor.
Good Day! JSW
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INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 30 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 77
Today's Topics:
10 sector problem
8" drives and BBSes
Directory magic.
TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more (2 msgs)
Thanks, and looking for Infocom (2 msgs)
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:06:56 EST
From: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: 10 sector problem
Message-ID: <9004301906.AA00254@hopf.math.purdue.edu>
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To: suned1!efb
Subject: Re: TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more
In-Reply-To: your article <4103@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>
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Is the program your friend is running under CP/M or NorthSatr
operating system. If CP/M I imagine it would run on another
CP/M machine or emulator, and the needed files transferred over.
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Date: 28 Apr 90 03:24:55 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!mailrus!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!mikes@ucsd.edu (Mike Squires)
Subject: 8" drives and BBSes
Message-ID: <1990Apr28.032455.1406@NCoast.ORG>
In article <1563@mindlink.UUCP> a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes:
>> peter@ficc.uu.net writes:
>>
>> Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think
>> with the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with
>> disks wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing
>> reasons not to run a BBS?
>
>An 8 inch drive loads and unloads the read/write head. Thus, though the disk
>is always spinning, the head is only touching the disk when data is being read
>or written.
The Tandon 848 1/2 height 8" floppy (used in the RS 16/6000 system, among
others) can be set to stop running after a period of time. The BIOS has to
wait, of course, for the drive to speed up when a head load request comes
in. It's been years since I did it, but I had a Tarbell DD controller
driving two 848-2's which were very reliable. The same is true of other
late design drives, such as the Shugart 860, I believe.
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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:55:18 PDT
From: "That was Zen, this is Tao." <secrist@msdoa1.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Directory magic.
Message-ID: <9004300451.AA01845@decpa.pa.dec.com>
I want to allocate the first n-blocks of a CP/M disk in sequential
order to a file in a standard CP/M directory. What's the easiest
way to do this ?
[I want some code that writes to the disk itself by physical block
number to be able to cohabit with well-behaved things who use BDOS
the way they're supposed to on the same disk.]
rcs
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Date: 30 Apr 90 08:26:05 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!suned1!efb@ucsd.edu (Everett Batey)
Subject: TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more
Message-ID: <4103@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>
Thank you all for the responses .. for commercial suppliers of Hard
Sectored ( North Star ) 10 per track ( DS DD , 5.25 inch ) floppies,
unless someone at 3M has a a big hidden stack .. seems that the pri-
mary vendors have departed from that business.. My friend has a very
costy medical analysis system that depends currently on the above.
Is there some obvious fix like a FD upgrade for this one board host
that allows soft sectored floppies to be swapped in .. orthodox fix ???
/Ev/
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Date: 1 May 90 01:30:28 GMT
From: att!cbnewsl!rl@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (roger.h.levy)
Subject: TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more
Message-ID: <5448@cbnewsl.ATT.COM>
In article <4103@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, efb@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Everett Batey) writes:
> Thank you all for the responses .. for commercial suppliers of Hard
> Sectored ( North Star ) 10 per track ( DS DD , 5.25 inch ) floppies,
> unless someone at 3M has a a big hidden stack .. seems that the pri-
> mary vendors have departed from that business.. My friend has a very
> costy medical analysis system that depends currently on the above.
>
This month's (May) Computer Shopper has an ad on p. 279 for Midwestern
Diskette which has in its bulk disk offerings:
10 & 16 Hard Sectored ................ Call
The number to call is (800)221-6332 or in Iowa, (800)332-3035. This
company appears to be a moderate cost supplier but I have no knowledge
of the company nor am I connected with it in any way.
Roger Levy
AT&T Bell Labs - Whippany NJ
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 16:35 HST
From: Ralph Becker-Szendy <RALPH%UHHEPG.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: Thanks, and looking for Infocom
Hi
Thanks to all the people who pointed out that the S-PN2222 transistor
in my Shugart 800 is just a regular 2N2222 (if I had half a brain, I
should have figured that one out myself). New transistor is in, drive
works like a charm. Except I hardly ever use the 8" monsters these
days, given two megabyte 5.25" drives. By the way, some people claim
that there are zero or many transistors in the Shugart 800 drive, or
that they are 2N2907. Well, this one has exactly one transistor.
Next question: I seem to remember that INFOCOM wrote the ZORK line of
games, and they seem to have existed for cp/m at one point.
Question 1: Is that still the case ? If yes, can someone let me know
where to contact Infocom ? Question 2: If they are not available from
Infocom any more, does any other software distributor carry them, or
have they been released to the public domain ? Question 3: Failing the
first two questions, does anyone have some old Infocom stuff for cp/m
gathering dust, and would like to get rid of it ?
Last but not least (I ask this question every year or so, using the
Cato vs. Carthago approach): Anyone know whether the MDBS II database
software for cp/m can be had anywhere ? Anyone have an old copy they
would like to get rid of ? I called MDBS, and even talked to the
software developer who wrote it long ago. They claim not to have any
copy for cp/m left (not even an archived copy), and were pretty
unpolite.
I fear that fixing a disk drive is MUCH MUCH easier than tracking down
ancient software. But thanks in advance for any help, anyhow.
Ralph Becker-Szendy UHHEPB=24730::RALPH (HEPNet,SPAN)
University of Hawaii RALPH@UHHEPG.PHYS.HAWAII.EDU
High Energy Physics Group RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET
Watanabe Hall #203, 2505 Correa Road, Honolulu, HI 96822 (808)948-7391
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Date: 28 Apr 90 17:07:17 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@uunet.uu.net (Curt Sampson)
Subject: Thanks, and looking for Infocom
Message-ID: <1585@mindlink.UUCP>
I bought an Infocom product for the IBM a year or two ago, and I got their
little "Passport" (actually a catalog) with it. It claims that they sell the
following products on 8" disk for CP/M:
Zork I, II, and III
Enchanter
Sorcerer
Witness
Planetfall
Deadline
Starcross
Suspended
Infidel
Seastalker
They sell all of the above except Seastalker in DEC Rainbow CP/M format. Most
of these are available in Osborne format as well. And then we get to Kaypro
format. It had all of the above plus:
Wishbringer
Spellbreaker
Suspect
Hitchhiker
Cutthroats.
The 4-in-1 sampler
The prices on all of the above are $14.95 except for the sampler, which is
$4.95. Of course, this is all old information. The brochure says to call
1-800-262-6868 for the latest pricing and availability. Their address is:
INFOCOM
P.O. Box 478
Cresskill, N.J., 07626
I hope that this helps.
-cjs
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