2-Apr-90 15:27:31-MDT,9390;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 15:15:47 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #51 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 2 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: Generating CPM-Kermit for an Epson QX-10 INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50 Machine bought at auction Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC (2 msgs) Z80- and processors-other-than-Intel-bashing Z80 compilers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Apr 90 17:37:33 GMT From: psuvm!hdk@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (H. D. Knoble) Subject: Generating CPM-Kermit for an Epson QX-10 Message-ID: <90092.133733HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> If anyone out there is running CPM and Kermit on an Epson QX-10, there's a professor emeritus here who's been trying to use the Columbia source to generate himself a version. He's having trouble getting Kermit to recognize his serial port, although other software he has does not have this trouble. Could anyone shed any light on this problem, or better yet send suggested Kermit source changes (CPS*.*, CPX*.* files) to HDK@PSUVM.PSU.EDU. Many thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 90 12:59 EDT From: "Bill Weinel" Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50 > Does anyone have or know of a compiler that will compile source files > that end with a .Z80? I have not been able to find one that will work > Thanks > > Brian Leclair - umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca Macro-80 should work just fine (more commonly known as M80.COM). You'll also need L80.COM to go with it to line the *.REL output files. M80 is probably the best all around Z80 assembler I've used. It's syntax and error messages can be a bit cryptic at times, but it's fast and has a great macro processor built in. M80 was sold by Microsoft, but more than likely, is probably now unsupported. If you look around at fleamarkets, hamfests, and in the FidoNet FORSALE echos you should be able to pick up a copy at a reasonable price. TWYL Bill ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 90 15:22:41 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!xanth!cs.odu.edu!rieke@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Malcolm John Rieke) Subject: Machine bought at auction Message-ID: <12023@xanth.cs.odu.edu> I recently purchased a computer at an auction and am trying to get some info on it. It's a Silver Reed model CS1000 and since it has a Z80A in it I believe it might be a CPM system. Does anybody out there know anything about this system, and if it is CPM, any information on where I can get a system disk for it (by the way, it uses 3-1/2" disks). Also, some information on what kind of keyboard will work with it (the keyboard port uses a modular phone plug) please email me at rieke@cs.odu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 90 19:22:15 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!sugar!ficc!lloyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (greg lloyd) Subject: Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC Message-ID: I have recently aquired a Sequa Chameleon Plus (no manuals) which appears to be an early IBM-PC clone. From looking at the main board I see that it has the following features: o 8088 CPU running at 4.77 MHz o 8087 Math coprocessor o Z80 CPU (for running CP/M?) o 256K memory with parity (36 4164 DRAMs) o 16K memory (2 4416 DRAMs) (not sure what these are for, maybe display memory) o NEC765 floppy controller o 6845 CRT controller (seems to be CGA resolution, have not tried graphics) o 1 printer port o 2 serial ports (must be nonstandard since there are no 8250s on the board) o 1 game port o 1 IEEE-488 (GPIB) port (there are 8291/2/3s on the board) It can boot Compaq MSDOS 3.1 just fine but I can't get much of anything to run on it due to its lack of memory. It does reboot when I exit Compaq Basic with the SYSTEM command. This must be a sign of some incompatabilty. If the machine is compatable enough to make it worth while I plan to modify the board to support 256K DRAMs and have 640K on board (I have modified several old IBM-PC 5-slot mother boards for 640K). I am looking for the following information on the machine: o Just how compatable is it? Does the hardware look like an IBM-PC to software? How compatable is the BIOS? Will I be able to run any useful IBM-PC programs on it? o Is Sequa still in business? Are there any manuals or schematics available? o What is the purpose of the two 34 pin headers on the left side of the mother board? Possibly an expansion bus? Please E-mail me if you have any information on this machine. -------------------------------------------------------------------- J. Greg Lloyd Systems Application Engineering 3655 Westcenter Dr. Houston, TX 77042 UUCP: uunet!ficc!lloyd ph: (713) 274-5260 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 90 02:53:59 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC Message-ID: <2793@sactoh0.UUCP> In article , lloyd@ficc.uu.net (greg lloyd) writes: > > o Z80 CPU (for running CP/M?) > I have an issue of Popular Science from a number of years ago and the Seequa (its proper spelling) Chameleon is capable of running both DOS and CP/M, hence its name, the Chameleon. > o What is the purpose of the two 34 pin headers on the left > side of the mother board? Possibly an expansion bus? I assume so you could put more floppy drives online, or possibly a hard disk or two, or a combination thereof. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 90 07:42:55 GMT From: csusac!csuchico.edu!petunia!usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Z80- and processors-other-than-Intel-bashing Message-ID: <2786@sactoh0.UUCP> There's this guy who calls this board I call locally who is bashing every processor that is not Intel, and has been recently bashing CP/M. For those of you folks who don't like this kind of drag-in-the-mud treatment, call Hotel-86 at (916) 927-7680, and check out Processor Wars. Or, optionally, I can make available, transcripts of my logons. Just drop me a line at the address below; that will be sent to my CP/M machine. However, if you do make it to Hotel-86, and you want to leave hate mail, leave it to "vEx" (actually, when the system prompts you to enter the recipient's name, and you type it in, that system is case insensitive). To leave mail to me, leave it to "IJ". -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 90 07:36:36 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@apple.com (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Z80 compilers Message-ID: <2785@sactoh0.UUCP> In article <1990Mar30.023911.29410@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brian Leclair) writes: > Does anyone have or know of a compiler that will compile source files > that end with a .Z80? I have not been able to find one that will work > Thanks > I think you meant assemblers, but I guess assemblers are almost the same as compilers in their own way. Anyway, to answer your question, there are two that I know of, and those two are SLR's Z80ASM which is a commercial program. Then there's a package called ZASM.LBR which is the Cromemco assembler, which is supposed to be a rather nice, but slow, assembler. If you have a copy of The Computer Journal #35, there's an article on REL-type assemblers and makes mention of it. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #51 ************************************ 3-Apr-90 10:05:50-MDT,3947;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 3-Apr-90 09:52:58 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:52:57 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #52 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 3 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 52 Today's Topics: assembler files with a Z80 extension Info on Sage IV Needed Kaypro termcap Z80 compilers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 19:43 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: assembler files with a Z80 extension Message-ID: I did some checking, and, for the person who asked, the CROWE assembler requires its source files to have a .Z80 extension. It is available from SIMTEL20. Lance Tagliapietra (usclct@uwplatt.edu) or (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 90 01:33:46 GMT From: pollux!ez001287@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Thomas Lew) Subject: Info on Sage IV Needed Message-ID: <7027@aggie.ucdavis.edu> I recently acquired a Sage IV computer which runs on the CP/M 68K operating system and am need of information on where I can acquire software for this machine (most specifically a terminal program). Any help would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 90 19:28:39 GMT From: sumax!polari!rwing!cstew@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Christopher Stewart) Subject: Kaypro termcap Message-ID: <1108@rwing.UUCP> A day ago, someone posted an request for information about a termcap for a Kaypro II. A user on another system I'm on uses a Kaypro and a couple of entries called 'mmcpm' and adm5. She states the mmcpm works great except when using our local conferencing program. If you need copies of this entries email me here or as allan@eskimo.UUCP. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 00:35:52 EST From: Kevin J. Cummings Subject: Z80 compilers I got a Z80 assembler from a DEC machine in Marlboro, MA years ago when they had a PD CP/M software repository there (to support their Rainbow and Robin machines). I forget the name of the system, but it was run by Bernie Eiben. Anyways, they had an assembler called ZASM which assembled source files with the .Z80 extension. It came in a .LBR file with ZASM.COM and ZASM.DOC. The .DOC file is quite extensive and describes the Z80 macro assembler. Among other things, it can produce .HEX or .REL files, but I thought that some of the pseduo-ops were either non-standard (not compatible with MAC/RMAC), or had various non-standard forms. When the assembler is invoked it claims to be the "CROMEMCO Z80 Macro Assembler version 03.04". I'm not sure if its been put in the PD by CROMEMCO (before they went under), but Ernie was pretty good about not keeping pirated software online. Is this also on SIMTEL20? I thought that most of the software I found in Marlboro was also on SIMTEL20. ============================================================================ Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc. 20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass. InterNet: CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM CSNet: CUMMINGS%S55.Prime.COM@RELAY.CS.NET UUCP: {uunet, csnet-relay}!S55.Prime.COM!CUMMINGS Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system SUCKS..." ============================================================================ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #52 ************************************ 3-Apr-90 12:25:16-MDT,17677;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 90 12:15:12 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #53 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 3 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 53 Today's Topics: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #51 INFO-CPM Digest V90 #52 Non-Intel Bashing... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:49:17 PDT From: postmaster@vlsi.JPL.NASA.GOV Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #51 Message-ID: <900403094917.00000B1C051@vlsi.JPL.NASA.GOV> *** VMS error in delivery mail, error message follows *** EXOS Mail server: delivery error: %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as outputplanet" EXOS Mail server: delivery error: -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed EXOS Mail server: delivery error: -SYSTEM-F-EXDISKQUOTA, disk quota exceeded EXOS Mail server: delivery error: %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed -SYSTEM-F-EXDISKQUOTA, disk quota exceeded *** Original message follows *** From : INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #51 Return-path: <@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL:INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Received: from WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL by vlsi.JPL.NASA.GOV id 00000B1B002 ; Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:41:32 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 15:15:47 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 2 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: Generating CPM-Kermit for an Epson QX-10 INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50 Machine bought at auction Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC (2 msgs) Z80- and processors-other-than-Intel-bashing Z80 compilers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Apr 90 17:37:33 GMT From: psuvm!hdk@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (H. D. Knoble) Subject: Generating CPM-Kermit for an Epson QX-10 Message-ID: <90092.133733HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> If anyone out there is running CPM and Kermit on an Epson QX-10, there's a professor emeritus here who's been trying to use the Columbia source to generate himself a version. He's having trouble getting Kermit to recognize his serial port, although other software he has does not have this trouble. Could anyone shed any light on this problem, or better yet send suggested Kermit source changes (CPS*.*, CPX*.* files) to HDK@PSUVM.PSU.EDU. Many thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 90 12:59 EDT From: "Bill Weinel" Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50 > Does anyone have or know of a compiler that will compile source files > that end with a .Z80? I have not been able to find one that will work > Thanks > > Brian Leclair - umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca Macro-80 should work just fine (more commonly known as M80.COM). You'll also need L80.COM to go with it to line the *.REL output files. M80 is probably the best all around Z80 assembler I've used. It's syntax and error messages can be a bit cryptic at times, but it's fast and has a great macro processor built in. M80 was sold by Microsoft, but more than likely, is probably now unsupported. If you look around at fleamarkets, hamfests, and in the FidoNet FORSALE echos you should be able to pick up a copy at a reasonable price. TWYL Bill ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 90 15:22:41 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!xanth!cs.odu.edu!rieke@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Malcolm John Rieke) Subject: Machine bought at auction Message-ID: <12023@xanth.cs.odu.edu> I recently purchased a computer at an auction and am trying to get some info on it. It's a Silver Reed model CS1000 and since it has a Z80A in it I believe it might be a CPM system. Does anybody out there know anything about this system, and if it is CPM, any information on where I can get a system disk for it (by the way, it uses 3-1/2" disks). Also, some information on what kind of keyboard will work with it (the keyboard port uses a modular phone plug) please email me at rieke@cs.odu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 90 19:22:15 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!sugar!ficc!lloyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (greg lloyd) Subject: Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC Message-ID: I have recently aquired a Sequa Chameleon Plus (no manuals) which appears to be an early IBM-PC clone. From looking at the main board I see that it has the following features: o 8088 CPU running at 4.77 MHz o 8087 Math coprocessor o Z80 CPU (for running CP/M?) o 256K memory with parity (36 4164 DRAMs) o 16K memory (2 4416 DRAMs) (not sure what these are for, maybe display memory) o NEC765 floppy controller o 6845 CRT controller (seems to be CGA resolution, have not tried graphics) o 1 printer port o 2 serial ports (must be nonstandard since there are no 8250s on the board) o 1 game port o 1 IEEE-488 (GPIB) port (there are 8291/2/3s on the board) It can boot Compaq MSDOS 3.1 just fine but I can't get much of anything to run on it due to its lack of memory. It does reboot when I exit Compaq Basic with the SYSTEM command. This must be a sign of some incompatabilty. If the machine is compatable enough to make it worth while I plan to modify the board to support 256K DRAMs and have 640K on board (I have modified several old IBM-PC 5-slot mother boards for 640K). I am looking for the following information on the machine: o Just how compatable is it? Does the hardware look like an IBM-PC to software? How compatable is the BIOS? Will I be able to run any useful IBM-PC programs on it? o Is Sequa still in business? Are there any manuals or schematics available? o What is the purpose of the two 34 pin headers on the left side of the mother board? Possibly an expansion bus? Please E-mail me if you have any information on this machine. -------------------------------------------------------------------- J. Greg Lloyd Systems Application Engineering 3655 Westcenter Dr. Houston, TX 77042 UUCP: uunet!ficc!lloyd ph: (713) 274-5260 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 90 02:53:59 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Need info on Sequa Chameleon PC Message-ID: <2793@sactoh0.UUCP> In article , lloyd@ficc.uu.net (greg lloyd) writes: > > o Z80 CPU (for running CP/M?) > I have an issue of Popular Science from a number of years ago and the Seequa (its proper spelling) Chameleon is capable of running both DOS and CP/M, hence its name, the Chameleon. > o What is the purpose of the two 34 pin headers on the left > side of the mother board? Possibly an expansion bus? I assume so you could put more floppy drives online, or possibly a hard disk or two, or a combination thereof. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 90 07:42:55 GMT From: csusac!csuchico.edu!petunia!usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Z80- and processors-other-than-Intel-bashing Message-ID: <2786@sactoh0.UUCP> There's this guy who calls this board I call locally who is bashing every processor that is not Intel, and has been recently bashing CP/M. For those of you folks who don't like this kind of drag-in-the-mud treatment, call Hotel-86 at (916) 927-7680, and check out Processor Wars. Or, optionally, I can make available, transcripts of my logons. Just drop me a line at the address below; that will be sent to my CP/M machine. However, if you do make it to Hotel-86, and you want to leave hate mail, leave it to "vEx" (actually, when the system prompts you to enter the recipient's name, and you type it in, that system is case insensitive). To leave mail to me, leave it to "IJ". -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 90 07:36:36 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@apple.com (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Z80 compilers Message-ID: <2785@sactoh0.UUCP> In article <1990Mar30.023911.29410@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brian Leclair) writes: > Does anyone have or know of a compiler that will compile source files > that end with a .Z80? I have not been able to find one that will work > Thanks > I think you meant assemblers, but I guess assemblers are almost the same as compilers in their own way. Anyway, to answer your question, there are two that I know of, and those two are SLR's Z80ASM which is a commercial program. Then there's a package called ZASM.LBR which is the Cromemco assembler, which is supposed to be a rather nice, but slow, assembler. If you have a copy of The Computer Journal #35, there's an article on REL-type assemblers and makes mention of it. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #51 ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:31:07 PDT From: postmaster@vlsi.JPL.NASA.GOV Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #52 Message-ID: <900403093107.00000A82051@vlsi.JPL.NASA.GOV> *** VMS error in delivery mail, error message follows *** EXOS Mail server: delivery error: %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output==================== EXOS Mail server: delivery error: -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed EXOS Mail server: delivery error: -SYSTEM-F-EXDISKQUOTA, disk quota exceeded EXOS Mail server: delivery error: %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed -SYSTEM-F-EXDISKQUOTA, disk quota exceeded *** Original message follows *** From : INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #52 Return-path: <@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL:INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Received: from WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL by vlsi.JPL.NASA.GOV id 00000ACE002 ; Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:27:29 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:52:57 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 3 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 52 Today's Topics: assembler files with a Z80 extension Info on Sage IV Needed Kaypro termcap Z80 compilers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 19:43 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: assembler files with a Z80 extension Message-ID: I did some checking, and, for the person who asked, the CROWE assembler requires its source files to have a .Z80 extension. It is available from SIMTEL20. Lance Tagliapietra (usclct@uwplatt.edu) or (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 90 01:33:46 GMT From: pollux!ez001287@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Thomas Lew) Subject: Info on Sage IV Needed Message-ID: <7027@aggie.ucdavis.edu> I recently acquired a Sage IV computer which runs on the CP/M 68K operating system and am need of information on where I can acquire software for this machine (most specifically a terminal program). Any help would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 90 19:28:39 GMT From: sumax!polari!rwing!cstew@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Christopher Stewart) Subject: Kaypro termcap Message-ID: <1108@rwing.UUCP> A day ago, someone posted an request for information about a termcap for a Kaypro II. A user on another system I'm on uses a Kaypro and a couple of entries called 'mmcpm' and adm5. She states the mmcpm works great except when using our local conferencing program. If you need copies of this entries email me here or as allan@eskimo.UUCP. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 00:35:52 EST From: Kevin J. Cummings Subject: Z80 compilers I got a Z80 assembler from a DEC machine in Marlboro, MA years ago when they had a PD CP/M software repository there (to support their Rainbow and Robin machines). I forget the name of the system, but it was run by Bernie Eiben. Anyways, they had an assembler called ZASM which assembled source files with the .Z80 extension. It came in a .LBR file with ZASM.COM and ZASM.DOC. The .DOC file is quite extensive and describes the Z80 macro assembler. Among other things, it can produce .HEX or .REL files, but I thought that some of the pseduo-ops were either non-standard (not compatible with MAC/RMAC), or had various non-standard forms. When the assembler is invoked it claims to be the "CROMEMCO Z80 Macro Assembler version 03.04". I'm not sure if its been put in the PD by CROMEMCO (before they went under), but Ernie was pretty good about not keeping pirated software online. Is this also on SIMTEL20? I thought that most of the software I found in Marlboro was also on SIMTEL20. ============================================================================ Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc. 20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass. InterNet: CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM CSNet: CUMMINGS%S55.Prime.COM@RELAY.CS.NET UUCP: {uunet, csnet-relay}!S55.Prime.COM!CUMMINGS Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system SUCKS..." ============================================================================ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #52 ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 90 10:42 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Hmmmm..... This is a serious matter, you see. Personally, I think everything that Intel has ever come up with tend to be rather demented; especially the iAPX86 family. The segmentation system is totally absurd. The Queues on the lower processors are totally mundane. The processing time is totally outrageous. The architecture (the way they have the registers set up) makes absolutely no sense. Aside from the compatibility, there is no reason why ANYONE should be *%&('ing using any of Intel's higher-level processors. Intel-compatible op. codes are assembler programmers' worst nightmare - they are as far away from natural language as humanly possible. At least Zilog (although owned by Exxon) had the heart and the humaneness enough to make sense out of the 8080/5 and create a more useful (although subject to similar limitations) processors. The step which Intel took from the 8080 family to iAPX432 was a totally logical one - they found a fatal bug in 432 and had to pull it out of production. 8086 makes as much sense as a pile of rocks in the middle of Interstate 91. I should admit that 8080 was the first very-commercially-successful processor that popularized microcomputing, and 8086 family IS teh most commercially successful one (although only at the consumer-product level), I think there is a reason why: -people abandoned 8080 for Z80 -people abandoned 8086 for 68000 -people never thought of using 8086 where they are using 32000 and Z80,000 these days. (oops; I forgot a "but" in the paragraph above.) Someone should come up with the guts and money to speed up Z80; with current AS-TTL technology, we can pull it up to 100MHz!!! Look out Intel (Intel does, however, make some mean peripheral chips.)! -John ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #53 ************************************ 5-Apr-90 00:49:44-MDT,6704;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 5-Apr-90 00:39:45 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 90 00:39:45 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #54 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 5 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 54 Today's Topics: ADM/VT100 emulators. Disc formatter Looking for Dysan Disk Diagnostics Prgm. (DDD.COM) Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX Non-Intel Bashing... UUCP and 'Y' file types Xerox 820-II Questions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Apr 90 18:12:50 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (Manic Minstrel.) Subject: ADM/VT100 emulators. Message-ID: <5839.2618e7a2@vax1.tcd.ie> OK, I would like to speak to anyone who has managed to get a copy of QTERM running on a Northstar Advantage. Failing this has anyone got an ADM3A emulator for the Northstar? Thanks in Advance. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ < And if that doesn't work uh, then you can't mail me - nyahh! > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 09:59:42 BST From: Paul Clayson Subject: Disc formatter Hello I once heard about a public domain utility to format 3 inch discs (on Amstrad 8256) to 192K each side instead of the usual 173K. Does anybody know any more about this, or have a copy? Thanks Paul - pc3@ukacrl.bitnet pc3@ib.rl.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 90 14:17:33 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Jhanos@apple.com (JONATHAN E HAWES) Subject: Looking for Dysan Disk Diagnostics Prgm. (DDD.COM) Message-ID: <28503@cup.portal.com> I am looking for a copy of a particular program. It is the Dysan Disk Diagnostics program, set up for a Xerox 820-II, so that it may be used on both the 5.25" and the 8" drives. Is there anyone who knows what I'm talking about? Has anyone ever heard of such a thing? Does anyone have source of MORE info? As usual, I appreciate any help from those wiser than myself... Which lately is most everybody. Thanks, Jonathan Hawes......................................Jhanos@cup.portal.com " No disclaimer... even I don't admit to anything! " ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 90 19:05:49 GMT From: cucstud!tfd!kent@uunet.uu.net (Kent Hauser) Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX Message-ID: <1814@tfd.UUCP> I need to run a old CP/M-80 compiler under unix. Does anyone have a simulator + z80-interpreter suitable for use under SunOS 3.x (MC68020 host)? Thanks. Kent -- Kent Hauser UUCP: {uunet, sun!sundc}!tfd!kent Twenty-First Designs INET: kent@tfd.uu.net (202) 408-0841 ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 90 03:49:43 GMT From: bu.edu!xylogics!world!madd@purdue.edu (jim frost) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: <1990Apr5.034943.21945@world.std.com> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes: >Aside from the compatibility, there is no reason why ANYONE should be >*%&('ing using any of Intel's higher-level processors. I still smile when I think of what the Intel salesperson must have said when the order came in: Sales: "Hello?" IBM: "We'd like to order some 8088 processors." Sales: "Oh, the Coke Machine processor. Sure, how many?" IBM: "Ten million." Sales: "Ten million Coke Machine processors? How many Coke Machines are you planning to build, anyway?" IBM: "We're not. We're going to make a personal computer out of them." Sales: "Out of a COKE MACHINE processor? Whatever. They'll be there next week." jim frost saber software jimf@saber.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 90 12:07:36 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!stcns3!dave@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dave Horsfall) Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types Message-ID: <2684@stcns3.stc.oz.AU> I believe that this got asked some time ago, but I can't find any reference to it, so perhaps someone will be (ahem) good enough to answer... I've snarfed UUCP20I.LBR from the SIMTEL server, and unpacked it. However, there are some files of the form *.DYC etc, which I gather is some compressed format. Nothing in the documentation kit (in CPM.STARTER-KIT) seems to give any indication as to what is required to uncompress it. So, what do I need to retrieve this time? And while I have your attention, is there anything else I need to know about the UUCP kit? I guess it's all documented in the README.DYC file, once I finally extract it... Thanks for any replies, from a born-again CP/M lover... -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) Alcatel STC Australia dave@stcns3.stc.oz.AU dave%stcns3.stc.oz.AU@uunet.UU.NET ...munnari!stcns3.stc.oz.AU!dave ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 90 20:58:11 GMT From: ficc!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter da Silva) Subject: Xerox 820-II Questions. Message-ID: <-SO2E1xds13@ficc.uu.net> I recently acquired an old Xerox 820-2 for the princely sum of $20, and I was wondering about software, hardware, etc. I have: Xerox 820-2 Keyboard Dual 8" SD floppy drives (250K IBM format) Dial 5.25" ?D floppy drives (?format) Extra motherboard and some hardware in a box, along with some release notes for a hard-drive upgrade. No drive though. :-< Xerox CP/M 8" distribution disk. Select WordProcessor. Mountain View Press Forth. Various random things on 8" diskettes. The system doesn't seem to support 8" and 5.25" drives at the same time: at least there's nothing to daisychain them. It doesn't seem to have the Double Density option installed, either. Anyone know where I can get a Xerox 5.25" distribution disk? (does Xerox still sell them, and if so who do I call?) How about the DD upgrade? I'd also like to get Kermit on the 8" drives, so I can transfer stuff to and from it. And a C compiler would be nice (:->). -- _--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. . / \ 'U` \_.--._/ v ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #54 ************************************ 5-Apr-90 04:23:27-MDT,25215;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 90 04:15:26 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #55 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 5 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 55 Today's Topics: Cruncher to go with Uncruncher I posted UUCP and 'Y' file types ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Apr 90 17:34:49 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Cruncher to go with Uncruncher I posted Message-ID: <2820@sactoh0.UUCP> As promised, I said I would post the LZH cruncher to go with the LZH uncruncher. 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MT>')$?\`&2X`(IPB/E"$9^41``#KI^U2(IXBX7S&"&?M(OTYTK0?Y3J=(H)G:W[^@"`6/@$RER+E*I4B.ILBS6D@X7[^@,JX'U9\ MQA!G7LMZ(`W-'2!\QA!G?LW8(.')?,809WXRFR(8\?7ES8,A9SJ=(H1GT?%/ M1'[^@"@6?,8P9WZW*`I'?,809VY@PW<@8,TR(7)\QA!G#*4(LD(/S`:",VO(5?-KR$RF"++.A_+.A_+.A_+.A]?&`L(S:\A7SJ8(N8/ M5WJSQO\_R=G+.#@-_I`H!D_9SLI$/7K*17-30W=X=G!V0CQ".'1P=JP'\GUQ=7E"/4(V<79W>7-'@7=X=G! AV0CQ".'1P?')554````````````````````````````` ` end -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #55 ************************************ 6-Apr-90 09:32:35-MDT,7760;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 6-Apr-90 09:24:28 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 90 09:24:25 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #56 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 6 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 56 Today's Topics: Ampro Disk Formatter NEC APC Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX (2 msgs) Non-Intel Bashing... UUCP and 'Y' file types (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Apr 90 11:14:25 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Ampro Disk Formatter Message-ID: <2828@sactoh0.UUCP> Does anyone out there know whether the guy who wrote Megadisk (which is on SIMTEL, and I snagged it) made Megadisk such that it could format yet? I would very much like to know. Alternatively, does anyone know of some PD disk formatters for the Ampro Little Board which are like Megadisk? I would like to know this very much. Thanks in advance! -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 90 16:18:20 CST From: Rob Caton Subject: NEC APC Message-ID: <9004052123.AA15699@wugate.wustl.edu> I have an NEC APC with a single 8" floppy and an external 10 meg hard drive. This is a CP/M-86 machine. For some reason, very few programs will execute off of the hard drive. I have had success with a few system programs, but others (including PIP) will not work. These same programs work fine when run on the 8" drive. Does anyone have an idea why this is so? Thanks! Rob Caton C08926RC@WUVMD.Bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 90 01:36:38 GMT From: mailrus!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!tmsoft!robohack!druid!darcy@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX Message-ID: <1990Apr6.013638.27835@druid.uucp> In article <1814@tfd.UUCP> kent@tfd.UUCP (Kent Hauser) writes: >I need to run a old CP/M-80 compiler under unix. Does anyone have a >simulator + z80-interpreter suitable for use under SunOS 3.x >(MC68020 host)? Funny you should ask. I am writing one as we speak (type?). I have just about finished the instuction decoding functions (8080 - Z80 will be an enhancement one day.) The next step will be to emulate the CP/M OS. If someone else has done this I sure would like to hear from them to see how they solved various problems. Perhaps we can share notes. Once finished I will be putting it into the public domain. It is being designed to run on different processors with some mods mainly to the register structures to account for endian-ness. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid) | Government: D'Arcy Cain Consulting | Organized crime with an attitude West Hill, Ontario, Canada | (416) 281-6094 | ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 90 14:08:34 GMT From: pegasus!richard@humu.nosc.mil (Richard Foulk) Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX Message-ID: <1990Apr6.140834.2811@pegasus.com> In article <1990Apr6.013638.27835@druid.uucp> darcy@druid.UUCP (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes: >In article <1814@tfd.UUCP> kent@tfd.UUCP (Kent Hauser) writes: >>I need to run a old CP/M-80 compiler under unix. Does anyone have a >>simulator + z80-interpreter suitable for use under SunOS 3.x >>(MC68020 host)? > >Funny you should ask. I am writing one as we speak (type?). I have just >about finished the instuction decoding functions (8080 - Z80 will be an >enhancement one day.) The next step will be to emulate the CP/M OS. > >If someone else has done this I sure would like to hear from them to see >how they solved various problems. Perhaps we can share notes. Yes it's been done. I think it came from the U. of Maryland. We got a tape from them a few years ago that included it. Sorry I can't remember more details at the moment, if no one else can help out I'll see if we still have the tape somewhere. The author was Chris T. or something like that...? -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 90 03:01:38 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!tank!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!eniac.seas.upenn.edu!chaim@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Chaim Dworkin) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: <22888@netnews.upenn.edu> In article <9004040702.AA08985@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes: > > >Someone should come up with the guts and money to speed up Z80; >with current AS-TTL technology, we can pull it up to 100MHz!!! Look >out Intel (Intel does, however, make some mean peripheral chips.)! > Someone already has put out a fast Z80. Steve Circia used it in his CP/M computer described in one of his articles in Byte a couple years ago. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 90 16:59:32 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!hamal.usc.edu!mead@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dick Mead) Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types Message-ID: <23918@usc.edu> Just in case many of you are unaware, and since it seems to be continually overlooked, there is also a utility called LT, which is currently LT29, I think, which is a file typing/extracting utility which handles ?Q? and ?Y? and ?Z? compressed files and also LBR's and ARK's. I do believe it is on Simtel, and certainly on most RCPM's (including mine, Pasadena ZNode 36 (818) 799-1632). Just FYI. Dick Mead ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 90 23:10:57 GMT From: m2c!wpi!ggray@husc6.harvard.edu (Gary P Gray) Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types Message-ID: <10987@wpi.wpi.edu> In article <2819@sactoh0.UUCP> ianj@sactoh0.UUCP (Ian R. Justman) writes: >This kind of file requires an uncruncher which uses the LZH >compression algorithm. I will post it for you and the rest of the >world here. You can also use it to uncrunch ?Z? (GEL algorithm) >and ?Q? (Huffman algorithm) files. I'll also post the cruncher. For some reason, my Osborne Executive has always choked on this program (as well as the normal crunch/uncrunch program.) I have gotten around this by using uncrunchers on other machines (such as uncr233 on the IBM.) Does anyone have a C source code for an uncruncher for ?Y? compression (or anyone want to tell me why the Osborne gags on these programs in the first place :) I tried several other LZH decompressors on various machines, but they didn't recognize the compressed file. The source might be in the .LBR distribution, but (of course) it was in LZH format and thus totally useless to me. (BTW, I found that the de-ark program's Z-80 version also died on the Osborne, but the 8080 version works just fine. Yes, the Osborne *does* have a Z-80 in it...) -- -- WARNING!!! The above opinions may be HAZARDOUS or FATAL if swallowed!!! -- "Hey babe, what's your wavelength?" | Gary Gray -- ggray@wpi.wpi.edu Louis deBroglie's pick up line. | GEnie: GGRAY6 (Get .sigs, (new and used) at Honest Ahabs' Sig-orama. Sigs made to order) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #56 ************************************ 7-Apr-90 11:21:04-MDT,9567;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 90 11:15:07 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #57 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 7 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 57 Today's Topics: ADM/VT100 emulators. BYE5 Insert for Molecular 32 cpm software Kaypro termcap looking for a RSX that sets the CP/M+ error byte Non-Intel Bashing... (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Apr 90 18:12:50 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (Manic Minstrel.) Subject: ADM/VT100 emulators. Message-ID: <5839.2618e7a2@vax1.tcd.ie> OK, I would like to speak to anyone who has managed to get a copy of QTERM running on a Northstar Advantage. Failing this has anyone got an ADM3A emulator for the Northstar? Thanks in Advance. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ < And if that doesn't work uh, then you can't mail me - nyahh! > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 90 15:45:00 GMT From: dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!darth!insight!bhh@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Brian Hughes) Subject: BYE5 Insert for Molecular 32 Message-ID: <49.261D8163@insight.FIDONET.ORG> Does anyone have, or know if there is available, a bye5 insert for the molecular line of CP/M machines? Thanks! -- FidoNet : 1:129/65.1 Insight BBS UUCP/SEAdog/Kitten (412) 487-3701 UUCP : ..pitt!darth!insight!bhh : ..{psuvax1|decvax|cadre|}!idis!insight!bhh : bhh@insight.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 90 18:50:03 GMT From: cica!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!samsung!sdd.hp.com!ncr-sd!se-sd!shin@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Chang Shin) Subject: cpm software Message-ID: <2577@se-sd.NCR.COM> a I recently bought a Z80 machine, and I am looking for softwares for this machine. I don't even have CPM. I am running DOS 2.11. Anybody have software that I can buy or copy ??? Thanks.... ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 90 20:41:09 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson) Subject: Kaypro termcap Message-ID: <1428@mindlink.UUCP> I've just gotten a termcap for my '84 Kaypro up and running here. I'm not sure if I've got all the bugs worked out of it yet, and I have yet to split it into two entries, `kp83' and `kp84'. If anybody still needs it in two weeks time, send me mail and I will send you the completed termcap. -CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP ) ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 90 12:13:18 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!dciem!uucp@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: looking for a RSX that sets the CP/M+ error byte Message-ID: <3046@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca> As most know, submit.com under CP/M+ will skip a line that starts with the ':' character if the poorly documented CP/M+ error byte is set. Most compilers and assemblers (SLR's assemblers are an exception) don't set the error byte on error. Sometime back, I remember noticing a {arc,ark,lbr} released (perhaps by Mike of tektronics?) of make that generated a .sub file after parsing a makefile - the .sub file used the ':' mechanism. Also included were example .mac files to make .RSX's that attach to Aztec C'c cc.com, as.com and ln.com to monitor the stderr output setting the error flag if error count reported is greater than zero. Does anyone else remember seeing this; what was the file name? A large BBS has given me somewhat priv.access - given the correct filename to search for, I should be able to find the file on it's backup WORM storage. Thanks for any and all help, Larry Moore ------------------------------ Date: 4 Apr 90 21:09:49 GMT From: mojo!chuck@mimsy.umd.edu (Chuck Harris) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: <1990Apr4.210949.18187@eng.umd.edu> In article <9004040702.AA08985@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes: > >Hmmmm..... > >This is a serious matter, you see. > >Personally, I think everything that Intel has ever come up with tend to >be rather demented; especially the iAPX86 family. The segmentation system - I won't even touch this! >is totally absurd. The Queues on the lower processors are totally - Think 1979. Transistors on VLSI chips were rather expensive and limited in - number. In 1980 the 68000 came out it didn't have any queues at all! >mundane. The processing time is totally outrageous. The architecture >(the way they have the registers set up) makes absolutely no sense. > - I assume that you are talking about the use of CX as a count register - in loops, and the implied use of ES and DS in the movs instruction. - The reason these instructions use "implied" registers is make programs - using them use less memory. An admirable thing to do in 1979 (and 1990 too) >Aside from the compatibility, there is no reason why ANYONE should be >*%&('ing using any of Intel's higher-level processors. Intel-compatible >op. codes are assembler programmers' worst nightmare - they are as >far away from natural language as humanly possible. > - BURP! I feel better too. - Binary Numeric OP codes are rather traditional among computers. - I mean seriously, do you program in machine code? Opcodes are the numbers - the machine uses to encode its different instructions. - Do you mean the assembler's Mnemonics? If you do, mnemonics like MOV, JMP - INC, NOP had been with computers a long time before microprocessors existed. >it out of production. 8086 makes as much sense as a pile of rocks >in the middle of Interstate 91. - BURP! >level), I think there is a reason why: > -people abandoned 8080 for Z80 > -people abandoned 8086 for 68000 > -people never thought of using 8086 where they are using 32000 and Z80,000 > these days. >(oops; I forgot a "but" in the paragraph above.) - This needs some comment. In the CP/M programs that I have seen very few make - use of the z80 extended instruction set. Most people wanted their programs - to work on as many machines as possible be they 8080, 8085, or z80. - - IMHO the reason the z80 was used in so many of the CPM machines had NOTHING - to do with its instruction set. It was used because of the hardware - simplification it provided by giving DRAM support for free. The engineers - didn't have to do anything to make DRAM work. Which was a good thing, - because most engineers who tried to make DRAM controllers back then botched - them but good. (think MITS ALTAIR) - As to abandoning the 80x86 for the 68000, I can program each efficiently, yet - I prefer to use the 80x86 family. Why, because the hardware is simpler to - design around, and I can fit very substantial programs in very small memory - space. I can't with the 68000 family. >Someone should come up with the guts and money to speed up Z80; - already been done (well not quite that fast) Think Hitachi. - But seriously, speeding up the z80 won't scare Intel or anyone else. What - most people are looking for today is hardware that can handle LARGE complex - programs with wide address spaces. Both the 80386 and the 68030 do this - very well. A fast z80 couldn't even enter the race. >with current AS-TTL technology, we can pull it up to 100MHz!!! Look >out Intel (Intel does, however, make some mean peripheral chips.)! > > -John Mild Ruminitions from, Chuck Harris C.F. Harris - Consulting ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 90 20:38:40 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: <1427@mindlink.UUCP> > JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET writes: > > Someone should come up with the guts and money to speed up Z80; > with current AS-TTL technology, we can pull it up to 100MHz!!! Well, I personally think that that would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how necessary it is. I currently do all my word processing on a Kaypro II with a couple of floppy drives, and in most cases it's considerably faster than an hard drive equipped IBM AT. My total time from boot up to the opening screen of WordStar is less than ten seconds. My modem program is a heck of a lot faster to move around in and dial than Telix, too. I think that the CP/M machines are still d*mn useful, even if they are "obselete." And after setting up a brand new Mac with a hard drive for someone, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a used Kaypro or whatever (assuming it came with the original disks and manuals) to any computer novice looking for an easy-to-use basic word processing system. (I'll reccomend the Mac to anyone who likes to spend hours fiddling with FontMovers and obscure setup commands for desktop accessories and the like.) -CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP ) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #57 ************************************ 8-Apr-90 18:26:47-MDT,8932;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 90 18:15:12 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #58 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 8 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 58 Today's Topics: cpm software Molecular computers Non-Intel Bashing... Non-Intel Bashing... >> INTEL ROTS! << Why Bother With CP/M? (2 msgs) Xerox 820 serial port. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Apr 90 21:05:13 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: cpm software Message-ID: <80@simasd.UUCP> It would be helpful to those who might be able to help you to know what make and model your Z80 machine is. As you probably are aware, each manufacturer elected to use his own combination of port addresses and peripheral chips, and CP/M is not very portable from one make (sometimes, one model) of machine to another. Do I also infer that you are running DOS 2.11 on the same machine? There are only a few that have that dual capability. UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 90 18:31:24 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@decwrl.dec.com (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: Molecular computers Message-ID: <28714@cup.portal.com> I recently recieved a new computer (oh god, not another one!) The front panel says 'Molecular Computers Supermicro X', and the back panel states model number 60-32. Out side of being HUGE, its a little bizzare. It has a DSDD 8" floppy, a standard size QIC tape drive, and some kinda hard drive, Priam I think. It also has a bunch of boards plugged into some kinda buss on the back, each board has two RS-232 plugs (or what looks like RS-232 plugs). Also, not on the buss, is two more RS-232 plugs. Main consoles or printer, I guess? Anyways. I power the monster up, the hard drive makes a lotta noise, but it doesnt boot. I put a blank floppy in the drive, and after awhile it seeks the drive. Is there someone who could send me a boot disk for this thing? Along with some of the needed utilities (floppy, tape and hard drive format, etc). This looks like it could be an insane system, and Id love to get it running. Many thanx in advance! Billy D'Augustine Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (201)989-8161 PS: it would be best to recive a voice call. Im having troubles with our server for UseNet, and may not be able to answer mail! ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 90 19:46:51 GMT From: ficc!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter da Silva) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: > - I prefer to use the 80x86 family. Why, because the hardware is simpler to > - design around, and I can fit very substantial programs in very small memory > - space. Making a virtue of necsssity, eh? > I can't with the 68000 family. Ever hear of threaded languages? Besides, if you're really cramming memory you'd probably be better off with one of those 8-bit microcontrollers. -- _--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. . / \ 'U` \_.--._/ v ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 90 16:58:07 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... >> INTEL ROTS! << Message-ID: <2215@ariel.unm.edu> Ahem...ever hear of the Z280? of course not, you seem to be too preoccupied with the intel garbage to notice. (Think: Can you trust a company who's logo is falling apart? i think not.) the Z280 was developed as a contender for the 286 processor. except that it handles memory THE RIGHT WAY. With linear addressing. none of this segmented memory wank-splut. it does top out at a clock speed of 12MHz, but that is comparable to a 286 at about 40 MHz!! The 286's internal arcitechture is the lousyist design for anything *BUT* msdos (the toaster operating system. makes great bread, but nothing else...) Techs @ the aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub (Don't ask where the name came from, it won't enhance your life that much) Intel processors arn't worth the plastic they're packaged in... ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 90 20:43:00 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucsd.edu (Curt Sampson) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: <1435@mindlink.UUCP> > karn@jupiter..bellcore.com writes: > > Yes, my code did indeed begin life on CP/M, specifically the Xerox 820. > But this was five years ago, and much has happened in the meantime to PC > clone pricing and availability to make me wonder why anybody would still > be interested in CP/M. With XT clone boards having bottomed out at $60 > or so, and with a well-established and highly competitive supplier network > supporting PC technology, why bother with Z-80s and CP/M? I just don't see > the point. There are several reasons. One is cost. I bought a Kaypro 4 for $200, which is the price of two double sided drives up here. (Buy two drives, get computer thrown in free! What a deal!) To get an equivalant IBM system would have cost me about $500-$600 for the hardware and probably another couple hundred for the software. A good electronic type writer costs as much as my whole system (it cost me another $85 for the printer). Another reason is speed. My Kaypro runs faster for non-number crunching tasks than an 8 MHz XT with floppy drives (and in some cases, even a hard drive system). There's no way that a machine can load a 200K program faster than a machine can load a 25K program. And because the CP/M machine is doing a lot less, even with less processing power it is often faster. I get by fine without a lot of the extras that the IBM programs do. (I have no particular need for windows.) The last reason is that it's fun! CP/M machines are simple enough that you can play around and hack with the OS without any major problems. If this is what makes someone happy, then that's what they should be doing, no matter how cheap XT motherboards are. I'm not trying to start any kind of a "my computer is better than yours" war here, just trying to point out why I prefer my CP/M machine to my IBM XT clone. (I just bought the XT clone to run a BBS.) Feel free to flame me though--just send it to net.comp.amiga. :-) -CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP ) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 90 18:09:22 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: <2227@ariel.unm.edu> No kidding! I have come across TWO S100 CP/M machines, both with nice hardware (HDU, consoles, etc) for FREE. when you realize the raw power that a z80 has you can see why many of us "who are stuck in the past" LIKE the Z80! according to a test done by a friend of mine (also reachable through this common account; email to Dent / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu) the Z80a at 4MHz does a MIP. far as I can tell, the IBM XT doesn't even come close to a MIP. Back to my topic tho... the BIG Z80B machine @ 6MHz runs considerably faster than a 286 /16MHz machine.. when you throw in the 80mb hard drive and a hacked up copy of Uzi (very nice) this machine does more than i could ever want in a personal computer. ( for any one thats ever used ariel.unm.edu, this machine is comparable. (not it power, but in time that it responds to user requests. )) anyways... Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz common account ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 90 18:35:47 GMT From: ficc!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter da Silva) Subject: Xerox 820 serial port. Message-ID: <+SS2BP5ggpc2@ficc.uu.net> Hi, it's me again. I have discovered a really dumb terminal program in the BDS-C compiler distribution. It's called "telnet". I need specs on the Xerox 820 serial ports (addresses, commands, etc). Actually, I need lots of specs on the 820-2 (yes, it's a -2... it beeps on self-test), but this will do for a start. Also... Is there a disk copy command out there that copies more than 1 track at a time? My wife is getting sick of hearing "klunk-klunk" 77 times every time I copy something. A disk test program would also help... -- _--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. . / \ 'U` \_.--._/ v ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #58 ************************************ 9-Apr-90 18:23:09-MDT,8953;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 90 18:15:09 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #59 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 9 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 59 Today's Topics: 3.5" on 8" Controller? CP/M-68K software Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX Non-Intel Bashing... QTERM for the northstar Advantage Why Bother With CP/M? Xerox 820 serial port. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Apr 90 23:14:55 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <54671@bbn.COM> In my brief email exchange with Wayne Hortensius, he mentioned that he'd succeeded in using AT-style 1.2Meg 5.25" drives on a Cromemco Z2H as an 8" drive. I've had no luck in reaching him via email, so I never learned the details of his work. It has since occurred to me that one might be able to do the same thing with 3.5" drives. In fact, I thought someone had told me that they'd done it. Has anyone on the net used a 3.5" drive on an 8" controller? What did it involve, besides some cabling? Any caveats? -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 90 22:02:46 -0500 From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox) Subject: CP/M-68K software Message-ID: <9004090302.AA09162@emx.utexas.edu> Thomas, TriSoft may be able to help you with some CP/M-68K software. I know they still have BASIC, FORTRAN, and PASCAL in stock. You might also check the SIMTEL20 archives, there are a lot of utilities and such in the CPM68K directory. I believe someone was also converting a version of C-KERMIT for CP/M-68K. We never did it for our machines, since they also had Z80's and we just used that processor for things that were line-limited anyway. I DO have an old copy of a stripped down version of MODEM7 for -68K, but it is VERY buggy and the guy who wrote it never had time to improve it. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 90 22:15:55 GMT From: ogicse!uwm.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!bruce!trlluna!rhea.trl.oz.au!aduncan@decwrl.dec.com (Allan Duncan) Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX Message-ID: <1284@trlluna.trl.oz> From article <1990Apr6.013638.27835@druid.uucp>, by darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain): > In article <1814@tfd.UUCP> kent@tfd.UUCP (Kent Hauser) writes: >>I need to run a old CP/M-80 compiler under unix. Does anyone have a >>simulator + z80-interpreter suitable for use under SunOS 3.x >>(MC68020 host)? > > Funny you should ask. I am writing one as we speak (type?). I have just > about finished the instuction decoding functions (8080 - Z80 will be an > enhancement one day.) The next step will be to emulate the CP/M OS. > > If someone else has done this I sure would like to hear from them to see > how they solved various problems. Perhaps we can share notes. There are a couple available for the Amiga, which has source provided. I haven't looked at them in detail, but both also emulate a connected terminal. One has the source in assembler (68K), the other I'm not sure, but it is probably also assembler (the author includes his assembler and its source on the same disk). The bulk of the code would be transportable, only the i/o would need to be changed. Allan Duncan ACSnet a.duncan@trl.oz ARPA a.duncan%trl.oz.au@uunet.uu.net UUCP {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz.au!a.duncan Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 90 19:52:24 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dccs.upenn.edu!litwack@ucsd.edu (Mark Litwack) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: <23000@netnews.upenn.edu> Zilog will be releasing a 12.5Mhz and 25Mhz version of the Z-280 this May. The Z-80 family isn't dead yet. -mark ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 90 05:21:25 GMT From: platt@boulder.colorado.edu (The Crouton Man) Subject: QTERM for the northstar Advantage Message-ID: <19434@boulder.Colorado.EDU> : From: jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (Manic Minstrel.) : Message-ID: <5839.2618e7a2@vax1.tcd.ie> : : I would like to speak to anyone who has managed to get a copy of QTERM : running : on a Northstar Advantage. : : Failing this has anyone got an ADM3A emulator for the Northstar? i am running QT on a Northstart Advantage... i have a copy of the Northstar patch thanks to Dave Goodenough (his e-mail address is the the docs.. as he wrote it). a friend of mine and i are trying to add to it some of the VT100 features, like line insert. and get rid of some of the bugs. (will probably get back to it over the summer, as everything is / will be coming down on us in school in the next month). one or two things you will need to do: 1) make sure that the version of the patch that you get disables the extended, or high bit keys.. on the advantage, this includes all the function keys, and the keypad (when cursor lock is on) (this causes the many program to hang, or if that is fixxed, then send a break to the outside world.. which is not good either) the way we have temporarily fixxed it is to simply strip the high bit off... 2) you will need a modified termcap if you are running on a unix system. On VMS i have had real problems trying to edit because the kepad is deactivated... We are hoping to get these "features" fixxed this summer, and if there is still room to move, add some of the extra charicter sets and things to it, to make it fully VT100 compat. But first i just want to get things like line insert/delete and the keyboard to fully work. as for getting the ADM3A to work, i doubt it, as all the port addresses are unique to the Advantage (the horizon isn't even compat with the advantage) some of the nice features of QTERM are the built in x/y modem and kermit protocal. when i get the current patch uploaded to my unix account, i will be able to mail it off to any one who wants it.. just e-mail me... also, i will try to get the modified patch out when i get it running, later this summer i hope. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=- The Crouton Man -=- platt@tramp.colorado.edu -=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 90 07:32:12 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!freja.diku.dk!skinfaxe.diku.dk!jensting@ucsd.edu (Jens Tingleff) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: <1990Apr9.073212.23646@diku.dk> While on the subject of cheap systems, I bought a CP/M-68k system (8MHz 68000, 0.5 MB, 2x1MB drives, .....) for appr. $400. The original list price was some $8000 (yes, 20 times as much), back in the dark ages (spring -85). Of course, until the C compiler appeared in comp.os.minix, I had practically given up on using it due to the nature of the Alcyon CC. The reason for the cheapness was CP/M, meaning NO software avaiable (the only software I found was an Modula-2 compiler, at the same price as a single-user license for a SUN...). Today, I couldn't even sell it without loosing money. Some day I'll overcome my nostalgia, and sell it as scrap. SIGH. Jens jensting@diku.dk is Jens Tingleff MSc EE, Research Assistent at DIKU Institute of Computer Science, Copenhagen University Snail mail: DIKU Universitetsparken 1 DK2100 KBH O ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 90 21:58:32 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: Xerox 820 serial port. Message-ID: <2240@ariel.unm.edu> Re: Xerox 820 specs.. Hmm.. i have that same BDS-C distribution.. somewhere i have specs.. noo.. guess not.. only thing i have on the 820 is a init porgram that was distributed as a sample for Z80MU (an IBM CP/M Emulator. Very nice. get a copy today.) Re: Quick Copy. Yes! There IS a copy program out there. its called QCP.COM it will grab the disk every 20 tracks or so. also works with 5" drives (there is a considerable set of overlay files in the archive for darn near every S100 (and some non-S100) controller boards.. Only thing is, the code is set up for copying from A: to B: and the source to the actual4 program is NOT distributed (although, with a good disassembler such as ZDis you can make a copy..) Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #59 ************************************ 10-Apr-90 01:22:43-MDT,10024;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 01:15:08 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #60 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 10 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 60 Today's Topics: 3.5" on 8" Controller? An Intel-Bashing... Fast Z-80 Non-Intel Bashing... (2 msgs) Why Bother With CP/M? (2 msgs) Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Apr 90 00:25:27 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!gvgpsa!gold!grege@uunet.uu.net (Gregory Ebert) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <904@gold.GVG.TEK.COM> I have looked into putting a 3.5" on my 8" controller, and the only differences I could find are (1) the MOTOR_ON signal for the 3.5" drive -- it can be tied to DRIVE_SELx on the 8" drive, and (2) the 3.5" drive has seperate signals for DIRECTION and SIDE_SELECT, whereas the 8" drive 'muxes' them. The data rates are identical. You will need to tweak the stepper rate for the head. There is (was ?) a 5.25" drive by Mitsubishi which is (was?) electrically interchangeable with a 8" DSDD drive. It could store up to 1.6MB formatted. Unfortunately, having just moved, gotten a new job, and being a new first-time daddy, I haven't had time to _actually_ do it yet. As soon as the &^%#@&$ doctor bills are paid, I'll snag a drive and try it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 90 20:20 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: An Intel-Bashing... No, I would not buy much from a company whose logo is falling apart... No, I do not think "DXC B" makes any more sense than "DEC BC," regardless of how old it is, and how used to it you are. No, I do not care how "inherently" memory efficient the processor is. The fact that most useful PC programs are way-way beyond 64K (i.e., the "segment" size) totally boggles my mind. What do they have to do to make that happen? You get a processor that is approximately 30% more efficient and blow the code up quadruple!? Fine; be like that. After a while, memory efficiency just has to give way to the programmer efficiency and execution rate. And, finally, NO WAY is the 8086 easier to deal with hardware-wise than, say Z8000 or 32000 or 68000. Maybe my problem is that it takes me a while to remember what exactly /BHE, /RQand A16/S3 stand for. But, then again, what exactly they do generally escape the conventional wisdom... unless your conventional wisdom is confined to Intel architecture. I know Intel is getting better at it every day, but the problem is, they need to get better. (80186 is an successful effort in clearing up a lot of the hardware peculiarities...) Whatever. Hear from you! -John S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 90 12:13 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: Fast Z-80 Yeah, but the fastest that is really available are Z-80H, running at 8MHz. Faster ones are called 180 and 280, and they are a bit too complicated to be speeded up that much or to remain our dear friend... -John P.S. Z80H used to be 10 MHz in the development stage. I don't know what happened, but everyone, including Zilog, AMD, Hitachi..., decided that it will just run fine at 8. Oh, well. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 90 22:54:52 GMT From: ficc!korenek@uunet.uu.net (Gary Korenek) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: In article <1990Apr4.210949.18187@eng.umd.edu>, chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris) writes: >In article <9004040702.AA08985@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes: >>[stuff deleted...] >>Hmmmm..... >>This is a serious matter, you see. >>Personally, I think everything that Intel has ever come up with tend to >>be rather demented; especially the iAPX86 family. The segmentation system >- I won't even touch this! >[more stuff deleted...] IMHO, a _really_ twisted microprocessor is the RCA 1802. No "CALL" or "RETURN" instructions, for example. If you want subroutines, you have to execute "CALL" code (that you have to include), and for the subroutine to return, the subroutine has to execute "RETURN" code (that you also must provide!). I learned to program in the machine-instruction world with the INTEL 8080. This was back in the days when S-100 machines (IMSAI 8080, Altair, Cromemco, North Star, etc.) were the "going thing". The 8080 then seemed to be a straightforward processor. I then worked with the Z-80. I remember thinking it to be more time consuming to program (and debug) due to the increased number of insructions. The Z-80, at the time, was the "hot chip". Subconsciously, I use the 8080 as a reference processor (in terms of simplicity). I suppose that I have a attachement to the 8080 because it was the chip I learned on. -- Gary Korenek (korenek@ficc.uu.net) | This space Ferranti International Controls Corp. | intentionally Sugar Land, Texas (713)274-5357 | left blank ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 00:54:53 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!ficc!peter@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Peter da Silva) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: In article korenek@ficc.uu.net (Gary Korenek) writes: > IMHO, a _really_ twisted microprocessor is the RCA 1802. No "CALL" > or "RETURN" instructions, for example. If you want subroutines, you > have to execute "CALL" code (that you have to include), and for the > subroutine to return, the subroutine has to execute "RETURN" code > (that you also must provide!). Awww, I like the 1802. 16 16-bit registers, any of which could be PC or SP, but no 16-bit load-and-store instructions. It really could do calls and returns, but only to coroutines by setting the PC. And it was a really neat processor for FORTH, because the Forth threaded call was *faster* than the Standard Call and Return Technique. This is getting off the subject of CP/M. Followups to comp.misc. (by the way, this is being posted from my Xerox 820 for the first time. I still don't have anything that can speak any protocols... :-<) -- _--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. . / \ 'U` \_.--._/ v ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 00:50:40 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!xylogics!world!madd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (jim frost) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: <1990Apr10.005040.5877@world.std.com> cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu (aNk1ez) writes: >far as I can tell, the IBM XT doesn't even come close to a MIP. About .4 mips at 4.77MHz with an 8086 (although you realize that "mips" is pretty meaningless). jim frost saber software jimf@saber.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 03:00:15 EDT From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: A couple of points: > According > to a test done by a friend of mine (also reachable through this common > account; email to Dent / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu) the Z80a at 4MHz does > a MIP. Only assuming it's executing single byte instructions. Something like ld a,(0x1234) takes 13 T states, so those done repeatedly would only achieve 1/3 MIP. On average, I'd guess it'd hit about 1/2 MIP doing _REAL_ work, although some instructions ('inc (ix + dd)' or 'call xxxx') really hog CPU T states. On the other side though, it still chugs along nicely: a 4MHz Z80 can do the CRC and data transfer to keep an Xmodem transfer going at up to about 22000 BPS, and that's doing the CRC the hard way (i.e. bit banging), with a table driven CRC, it'd probably exceed 38400 BPS. Now, why do _I_ bother with CP/M: One reason is that you gotta keep it small: 57K of TPA can vanish in a real hurry. Keeping it small usually means keeping it simple, and simple programs are easier to write and maintain. -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 90 22:14:59 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Nick Sayer) Subject: Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix Message-ID: <5248@quack.UUCP> I am writing a Z-80 emulator in C as part of a CP/M-on-unix package. It will be PD if/when I finish it (except for the parts still copyrighted by Digital Research, if any. Confirmation anyone?). I am stuck on the DAA instruction. Does anyone have an algorithm that will do this? I have two books that tell me WHAT DAA does, but not HOW it does it. Sigh. Is anyone interested in this package if/when I finish it? It's fairly straightforward. The way it'll work is you make a file of a certain size (or more than one, if you want), then specify that file on the command line. That file will then be a CP/M disk. You can also connect files to CP/M's devices, like PTR:/PTP:, etc. The tough part will be getting BDOS/CCP installed. I'm fairly sure BIOS won't present any major problems. -- Nick Sayer - The Duck Pond public unix - 209-952-5347 (Telebit) ---------------------------------+--------------------------------- quack!mrapple@uop.edu ! ...pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple ! And now, The Fish Slapping Dance N6QQQ (145.75 - TCP/IP soon) ! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #60 ************************************ 10-Apr-90 15:29:14-MDT,8577;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 15:17:10 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #61 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 10 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 61 Today's Topics: 3.5" on 8" Controller? (2 msgs) c-cpm86 software CP/M-68K software kermit for amstrad PCV 8512? Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX No-Slot Clock? Z80 Compilers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Apr 90 06:23:50 GMT From: njin!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!freja.diku.dk!skinfaxe.diku.dk!jensting@rutgers.edu (Jens Tingleff) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <1990Apr10.062350.29895@diku.dk> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: [..] >done it. Has anyone on the net used a 3.5" drive on an 8" controller? >What did it involve, besides some cabling? Any caveats? Close, I use an 8" drive on a 5.25" controller (both running as high density, i.e. 1.2 MB). The difference that I know of, is that 3.5" drives use different pull-up resistors (1 KOhm for 3.5", 300Ohm for 8" ??). This means that you might not get away with quite the same length of cable.. . Other than that, it should be a breeze (given that you can figure out the settings of the dip-switches). Jens jensting@diku.dk is Jens Tingleff MSc EE, Research Assistent at DIKU Institute of Computer Science, Copenhagen University Snail mail: DIKU Universitetsparken 1 DK2100 KBH O ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 17:24:25 GMT From: halibut.nosc.mil!koziarz@nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <2113@nosc.NOSC.MIL> In article <1990Apr10.062350.29895@diku.dk> jensting@skinfaxe.diku.dk (Jens Tingleff) writes: > >The difference that I know of, is that 3.5" drives use different >pull-up resistors (1 KOhm for 3.5", 300Ohm for 8" ??). This means that >you might not get away with quite the same length of cable.. . >Other than that, it should be a breeze (given that you can figure out the >settings of the dip-switches). > > Jens > I would be incredibly grateful if anyone having success at this e-mail me some insight. I am having a devil of a time dealing with timing. The 3.5s rotate at 300 rpm and the 8s (and 5.25 hds) rotate at 360rpm. My system is a Zenith Z-100 and I'm using a stock Z-207 floppy (5.25 & 8) controller. Many thanks!!! Walt K. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 15:37:43 GMT From: halibut.nosc.mil!koziarz@nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) Subject: c-cpm86 software Message-ID: <2112@nosc.NOSC.MIL> I recently came into possesion of Concurrent CP/M-86 and am wondering where/how to find some useful applications (do any still exist?) for this system. It runs on a Zenith Z-100. I have no CP/M terminal emulator and feel like I'm in kind of a 'chicken and egg' problem. I've got *lots* of MS-DOS terminal emulators; but MS-DOS file formats are/seem to be incompatible with C-CP/M. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Walt K. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 06:25:16 GMT From: njin!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!freja.diku.dk!skinfaxe.diku.dk!jensting@rutgers.edu (Jens Tingleff) Subject: CP/M-68K software Message-ID: <1990Apr10.062516.29990@diku.dk> mknox@EMX.UTEXAS.EDU (Margaret H. Knox) writes: >Thomas, TriSoft may be able to help you with some CP/M-68K software. >I know they still have BASIC, FORTRAN, and PASCAL in stock. You might Uhmm, could we (I) have the address, please. Jens jensting@diku.dk is Jens Tingleff MSc EE, Research Assistent at DIKU Institute of Computer Science, Copenhagen University Snail mail: DIKU Universitetsparken 1 DK2100 KBH O ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 15:22:40 GMT From: mcsun!isgate!krafla!kjartan@uunet.uu.net (Kjartan R. Gudmundsson) Subject: kermit for amstrad PCV 8512? Message-ID: <1628@krafla.rhi.hi.is> I am looking for cpm kermit for Amstrad PCV 8512. If anyone has kermit for this computer on a 3" diskette I would like to hear about it. I am asking for an other person (I have never seen this computer) and I don't read this newsgroup so please answer by email. Thank you. Kjartan R. Gudmundsson Taeknigardur, Dunhaga 5 University of Iceland Internet: kjartan@rhi.hi.is Reykjavik Iceland ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 00:06:21 GMT From: pilchuck!nwnexus!slovax!jeff@uunet.uu.net (jeff) Subject: Need CP/M-80 Simulator for UNIX Message-ID: <119@slovax.WA.COM> I've got an emulator that I wrote in a couple of evenings that emulates the z80/8080 intersection plus some of the simpler z80 extensions. All of the hooks are present to enhance to a full z80, but since I haven't had a need (we've only used generic cpm, no z80 specific stuff) I've left it as is. It's also not lightning, but it's portable to just about anything. It sports a simple debugger, disassembler, (assembler was in the works) and both hex and binary load and unload. An i/o mapped 'hardware' interface and bios were also written. Disk support is currently limited to four (4) 256k floppy equivalents (disk files under UNIX), but is easily changed. If you're interested, let me know and I'll spend a little time making it presentable and release it to netland. Anyone out there that's done the same or similar thing, I'd be interested in hearing how you overcame some of the obvious problems. I'm also more than willing to bend anybody's ear regarding how I did it. jeff ---- [ jeff@SLOVAX.WA.COM -- Jeff Loucks, H(206)851-8908 W(206)967-8018 ] -- [ jeff@SLOVAX.WA.COM -- Jeff Loucks, H(206)851-8908 W(206)967-8018 ] ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 18:21:35 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: No-Slot Clock? Message-ID: <54706@bbn.COM> Back in December, Luke Weerts (luke@i88.isc.com) posted a recommendation for the No-Slot Clock, a time-of-day clock that interfaces through one of a system's ROM sockets. He reported that it worked well with his Kaypro. He mentioned that ads for it appeared in Apple and PC magazines, but provided no further vendor info. Has anyone succeeded in locating a supplier for this device? I discovered a file called NOSLT20.LBR on SIMTEL20, in PD2:, so I gather that someone involved with this list/newsgroup has had experience with this. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 15:38 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Z80 Compilers Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 00:35:52 EST >From: Kevin J. Cummings >Subject: Z80 compilers > >I got a Z80 assembler from a DEC machine in Marlboro, MA years ago when they >had a PD CP/M software repository there (to support their Rainbow and Robin >machines). I forget the name of the system, but it was run by Bernie Eiben. >Anyways, they had an assembler called ZASM which assembled source files with >the .Z80 extension. It came in a .LBR file with ZASM.COM and ZASM.DOC. >The .DOC file is quite extensive and describes the Z80 macro assembler. >Among other things, it can produce .HEX or .REL files, but I thought that some >of the pseduo-ops were either non-standard (not compatible with MAC/RMAC), >or had various non-standard forms. When the assembler is invoked it claims to >be the "CROMEMCO Z80 Macro Assembler version 03.04". I'm not sure if its been >put in the PD by CROMEMCO (before they went under), but Ernie was pretty good >about not keeping pirated software online. Is this also on SIMTEL20? I >thought that most of the software I found in Marlboro was also on SIMTEL20. I searched the simtel directorys for ZASM and so far have found ZASMB in the SIGM Volume 281 directory, and Z33ZASM in the ZCPR33 directory. Is ZASMB the same program as mentioned above? Lance ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #61 ************************************ 11-Apr-90 11:20:28-MDT,9272;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 90 11:15:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #62 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 11 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 62 Today's Topics: 3.5" on 8" Controller? (3 msgs) Access Manager (8080) Documentation needed Aztec C for CP/M Dropped CP/M Emulator Need a INKEY$ like command in S-BASIC No-Slot Clock? Why Bother With CP/M? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 90 17:30:40 EST From: Kevin J. Cummings Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? A long time ago (years) California Digital (a clearing house for dis-continued products and bargins) sold a 5.25" disk drive that they claimed was an 8" drive electrically. I assumed that this means that it had the same electrical interface (did that mean the same edge card connector wired the same way) as an 8" drive did. I remember that the 8" drives used a 50 pin daisy chained cable, while the 5.25" drives used a 34 pin cable (basically the same signals, a few were different, in different places on the cable. I'm running 720K 3.5" drives on the same cable as my 40 and 80 track 5.25' drives (using the same disk controller). I have nothing on my 8" controller (never bought any 8" drives B^). I always wondered if I could add a HD 5.25 1.2MB drive on the 8" controller? My 1.2MB drive on my IBM-compatible PC is hooked to the same 34 pin connector as my 720K 3.5" drive. That sorta says no. Anyone successfully run a 1.2MB drive on an 8" controller? ============================================================================ Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc. 20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass. InterNet: CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM CSNet: CUMMINGS%S55.Prime.COM@RELAY.CS.NET UUCP: {uunet, csnet-relay}!S55.Prime.COM!CUMMINGS Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system SUCKS..." ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 90 03:42:16 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@apple.com (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <28783@cup.portal.com> If you arent afraid of calling long distance (whereever you happen to be!) try calling Holly Park (201)757-1491. A fellow there has succeeded in installing 3.5" flops on a Xerox with originally 8" flops. From what I gather, this does NOT worl on a DEM-II unit. No longer having a Xerox 820-II, I unfortunatly cant attempt this project. Also, seems to require reburning ROMs, so the machine will know the new allocations for the drives. Billy D'Augustine Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 90 15:20:06 GMT From: ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@ee.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <19839@ea.ecn.purdue.edu> How about putting 3.5" drives on a machine that expects 5.25", 96 tpi drives? My TurboROM-equipped Kaypro can handle the 5.25 96 tpi drives - are the 3.5" drives the same electrically? I know that I would need to get an adapter to plug the drive into a regular floppy drive cable. -- Jeff Wieland wieland@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 15:24:29 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!uhnix1!moray!nuchat!shell!svh@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Access Manager (8080) Documentation needed Message-ID: <1711@shell.shell.com> I'm looking for the documentation for the Digital Research product of about 7-8 years ago called "Access Manager", that would run under MP/M-II (cp/m-80). The PRL file was included with the distribution disks for Network-OS, but there is no documentation in the Net-OS manuals on how to use AM-80 (as it's called). I would be glad to discuss buying this or paying the copying costs for the manual. The config program would be helpful, too. (Note: want a laugh? Call up Digital Research and say "CP/M" and count the seconds before the they either admit they don't know what you're talking about or say "oh.. THAT. We no longer support that product line.") Steven V. Hovater Shell Development Company (713) 663-2711 (work) (713) 550-7802 (home) svh%shell.uucp@sun.com or svh%shell.uucp@rice.edu or svh@shell.uucp or ...!{sun,bcm,rice,psuvax1,decwrl,cs.utexas.edu}!shell!svh ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 21:35:34 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Aztec C for CP/M Dropped Message-ID: <54714@bbn.COM> I called Manx Software Systems (201-780-3072), last month, to confirm that they still carried the CP/M version of Aztec C. A man answered the phone as if it were his home. Uh-oh. I asked about Aztec C for CP/M. He said that the company is now called "MCS", and they no longer support CP/M. I was so disappointed that I forgot to ask if they'd put the CP/M version into the public domain. I've since bought BDS C 1.60c through Jay Sage. I wish there was some way to get intrinsic floating point, perhaps as a compiler option, but it is otherwise a sound, fast compiler. If anyone else is running BDS C under CDOS, I'd be interested in hearing from them. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 13:03:50 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!brian@apple.com (Brian Musker) Subject: CP/M Emulator Message-ID: <11342@attcan.UUCP> Not too sure if my last message got out... (postnews did a core dump!) For the party interested in a cp/m emulator, i wrote an 8080 emulator in C, with a pseudo clock, tty, disk, and dma controller, and i ported cp/m 3.0 to this pseudo-machine. It runs every 8080 cp/m application i have tried so far, and it has run unchanged on both an 80386 and a WE32200 platform, so i suspect the code would work fine on a 68000 architecture. The three drawbacks to this piece of code are: 1/ Terminal i/o is fairly slow. I have tried a variety of buffering techniques, but few seem to have any useful impact. 2/ It really needs to support the Z80 ops. 3/ If i distribute it, i can only supply the sources for the emulator, and the cp/m bios drivers, i.e. you had better have a configurable cp/m on hand to link these drivers into. If you would like to get your hands on this code, or just want more data, please mail or post me... Brian Musker ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 90 02:25:15 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ser@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Shawn E. Riggins) Subject: Need a INKEY$ like command in S-BASIC Message-ID: <2861@sactoh0.UUCP> I am using S-BASIC on a Kaypro 4'84 and I cannot find a command that will do the same job as MBASICs INKEY$ command. Any information would be greatly appreciated. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shawn Riggins A.K.A. The Starrigger | "Jake, you know how these whoppers get E-Mail Address: ser@sactoh0.UUCP | started. Alien booz in human stomachs. | Accidental chemically induced insanity." ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 90 21:03:01 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!csfst1@think.com (Charles S. Fuller) Subject: No-Slot Clock? Message-ID: <23456@unix.cis.pitt.edu> In article <54706@bbn.COM>, gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: > ... Has anyone succeeded in locating a > supplier for this device? The March '88 issue of ProFiles (Kaypro's magazine) contains an ad from Central Computer Products, with a price of $49. I don't know if they're still in business, but it may be worth a try. The address given is 330 Central Avenue Fillmore, CA 93015 (805)524-4189 Good luck Chuck ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 90 16:35:00 GMT From: snorkelwacker!usc!jarthur!bridge2!gpz@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (G. Paul Ziemba) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: <1475@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes: [somebody else writes:] >> a MIP. >1/3 MIP. >1/2 MIP Aaaaaarrrgggghhh! If I may nit-pick for just a moment... MIPS = Million Instructions Per Second. MIP = ??? Ahh. There, I feel better now :-) :-) ~!paul -- Paul Ziemba zapi!gpz gpz@3com.com (415)940-7671 Current nemesis: CA "winters", cold enough to drive the ants indoors but not cold enough to make them hibernate. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #62 ************************************ 12-Apr-90 00:29:20-MDT,11140;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 90 00:25:06 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #63 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 12 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 63 Today's Topics: 3.5" on 8" Controller? (2 msgs) 8008 development under CP/M-80 ? CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP Kermit for Commodore PET running CBM RED Problems UUCP and 'Y' file types Why Bother With CP/M? (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Apr 90 19:55:47 GMT From: pilchuck!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@uunet.uu.net (William Swan) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <640@flash.UUCP> In article <9004110707.AA07305@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM (Kevin J. Cummings) writes: }A long time ago (years) California Digital (a clearing house for dis-continued }products and bargins) sold a 5.25" disk drive that they claimed was an 8" }drive electrically. I assumed that this means that it had the same electrical }interface (did that mean the same edge card connector wired the same way) as }an 8" drive did. I remember that the 8" drives used a 50 pin daisy chained }cable, while the 5.25" drives used a 34 pin cable [...] }Anyone successfully run a 1.2MB drive on an 8" controller? Not that this will help you, but yes. In late '82 or early '83 as an Alspa Computer, as an experiment, hooked a recently announced (Mitsubishi?) 5-1/4" drive up to one of their engineering systems, in place of the 1.2MB Tandons they normally used. As I recall it had the 50 pin connector. It worked just fine, but the company didn't go ahead with it as a product because there was no standard for 5-1/4" high-density formats, whereas for 8" there was always SS/SD. -- Bill Swan bill@Summation.WA.COM Send postal address for info: Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years (or more): Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002. In now: 1 year, 2 months, 3 weeks, 1 day. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 03:54:21 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!xanth!rlb@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Robert L. Bailey) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <12175@xanth.cs.odu.edu> In article <9004110707.AA07305@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM (Kevin J. Cummings) writes: >A long time ago (years) California Digital (a clearing house for dis-continued >products and bargins) sold a 5.25" disk drive that they claimed was an 8" >drive electrically. I assumed that this means that it had the same electrical >interface (did that mean the same edge card connector wired the same way) as >an 8" drive did. I remember that the 8" drives used a 50 pin daisy chained >cable, while the 5.25" drives used a 34 pin cable (basically the same signals, >a few were different, in different places on the cable. I'm running 720K >3.5" drives on the same cable as my 40 and 80 track 5.25' drives (using the >same disk controller). I have nothing on my 8" controller (never bought >any 8" drives B^). I always wondered if I could add a HD 5.25 1.2MB drive >on the 8" controller? My 1.2MB drive on my IBM-compatible PC is hooked to >the same 34 pin connector as my 720K 3.5" drive. That sorta says no. Anyone >successfully run a 1.2MB drive on an 8" controller? I would think that it should be possible to do just that. Years ago, I was putting together a Xerox 820-I and I installed both an 8" SSSD and 3 5 1/4" drives all daisy chained off the same cable. The trick that I used was this: I too, noted that the 50 pin 8" connector and the 34 pin 5 1/4" connector carried the same signals on the same sides, but, they were located at different pin numbers. My solution was to use a 34 pin connector but I used a small saw to cut the connectors slot so that there were no longer any stops on the ends of the connector. (The "stops" as I refer to them are the ends that keep the connector contact #1 aligned with the board contact #1) By removing these, I could then position the 34 pin connector (by offseting it from pin #1) so that the proper signals were connected to the proper pins of the 8" drive connector. I don't have the info handy, but I beleive that I also, had to put a jumper wire on the 8" drive so that the motor on line was activated at the same time as the drive select line. Other than that, I don't beleive that I had to do anything special to make things work. Your problem is the reverse of mine, but, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be done as long as you get the signals to the right pins! Bob Bailey (rlb@cs.odu.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 90 13:48:29 PDT From: "That was Zen, this is Tao." Subject: 8008 development under CP/M-80 ? Message-ID: <9004112045.AA21047@decpa.pa.dec.com> Yes, 8008 ! I am reviving an 8008-based beast. Do any CP/M cross-assemblers exist for it ? Is it a simple matter of hacking a 8080 assembler and writing 8008 ? Anyone have a source of data sheets for this beast ? Regards, rcs ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 04:58:57 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!nebulus!root@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dennis S. Breckenridge) Subject: CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP Message-ID: <1990Apr12.045857.17810@nebulus.UUCP> In article <21614@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Devon E Bowen) writes: > In article <21974@bellcore.bellcore.com>, karn@ka9q.bellcore.com (Phil > Karn) writes: > > Fine. My code is freely available to any and all hams. > > Does this sound snotty to anyone else or is it just me? The original post ... > This is no fun anymore. Here Here!!!!! I have had this argument before with Phil. When you are God everyone bows to your choices. Must be nice sitting up there :-) BTW God, she told me she was 16 :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dennis S. Breckenridge (604) 277-7413 dennis@nebulus.uucp VE7TCP EMACS: Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 05:40:08 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!uyx@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (andrew louder) Subject: Kermit for Commodore PET running CBM Message-ID: <4615@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Dear Net, I am trying to locate a copy of kermit for a Commodore PET running CBM for a friend. I ftp'ed to columbia university and did not find a specific version of kermit. Has someone used or modified the generic CPM kermit version? I might have to try to port it. Can someone recommend a way to port files from a IBM PC to a Commodore PET? I looked at the program UNIFORM that runs on a IBM PC to let you read and write CPM files, but does not support Commodore PET. Sincerely, Andy Internet: andyman@ei.ecn.purdue.edu PhoneNet: (317) 743-8705 does ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 90 18:02:10 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: RED Problems Message-ID: <54748@bbn.COM> I compiled and ran RED, early this morning, after struggling to get L2 together (the BDS documentation could use a few corrections, here). RED cleared the screen, positioned the prompt line in a bogus place, and then quit after printing: Error: not enough room for buffers This is on a 64K system. I had linked RED using L2, since CLINK had been complaining about not having enough memory. The BDS manual suggested that CLINK might do this, and L2 was included in the distribution as a solution. L2 had reported the following: Number of functions: 255 Code ends at: 0x984 Externals begin at 0xA400 Externals end at 0xB018 End of current TPA: 0xC700 Jump table bytes saved: 0xB97 It sure looks like RED doesn't have much room left for file. I must admit that I was apprehensive when I saw the link statistics, and not surprised when RED quit on me. At least it didn't walk all over CP/M. The bogus placement of the prompt line is my problem; I botched the control sequence when I ran RCONFIG. I doubt that this would affect buffer space. So. Any ideas on what might cause this? I used the supplied SUBMIT files, which copile RED1.C through RED14.C and then link it. L2 had to go to file mode, it ran out of memory after getting to RED4.C. This is on a Cromemco System Three running CDOS. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 90 01:59:19 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!stcns3!dave@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dave Horsfall) Subject: UUCP and 'Y' file types Message-ID: <2732@stcns3.stc.oz.AU> Many thanks for everyone's help... -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) Alcatel STC Australia dave@stcns3.stc.oz.AU dave%stcns3.stc.oz.AU@uunet.UU.NET ...munnari!stcns3.stc.oz.AU!dave ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 90 22:20:20 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: <2278@ariel.unm.edu> >[somebody else writes:] >>> a MIP. > >>1/3 MIP. >>1/2 MIP > >Aaaaaarrrgggghhh! If I may nit-pick for just a moment... >MIPS = Million Instructions Per Second. MIP = ??? Arrgh! MIP, MIPS.,. its all the same thing... you knew what we were talking about.. why gripe? MIPS - Million INteractions Per Second. I know that. it sounds rather silly to say 1 MIPS, 1/2 MIPS, 1/3 MIPS. So, we've all just depluralized the acronym... makes PERFECT sense to me.... :-) Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account this disclaimer space intentionally left blank. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 04:45:59 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!compata@apple.com (David H Close) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: <28821@cup.portal.com> dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes: " On the other side though, it still chugs along nicely: a 4MHz Z80 can " do the CRC and data transfer to keep an Xmodem transfer going at up to " about 22000 BPS, and that's doing the CRC the hard way (i.e. bit banging), " with a table driven CRC, it'd probably exceed 38400 BPS. Actually, it will do even better. I know of a 4MHz Z80 pumping 56Kbps SDLC. Dave Close, Compata, Arlington, Texas compata@cup.portal.com OR compata@mcimail.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #63 ************************************ 12-Apr-90 15:20:07-MDT,9653;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 90 15:15:18 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #64 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 12 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 64 Today's Topics: 3.5" on 8" Controller? CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP More RED Woes No-Slot Clock - Followup Non-Intel Bashing... Northstar HSIO Docs? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Apr 90 17:25:05 GMT From: halibut.nosc.mil!koziarz@nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) Subject: 3.5" on 8" Controller? Message-ID: <2123@nosc.NOSC.MIL> In article <9004110707.AA07305@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM (Kevin J. Cummings) writes: >the same 34 pin connector as my 720K 3.5" drive. That sorta says no. Anyone >successfully run a 1.2MB drive on an 8" controller? > Yup, I had to put a sort piece of cable between the 50 pin and 34 pin connectors to slightly re-arrainge the signals. It definitely works. The 5.25 hi-density 1.2M drive can indeed be considered electrically equivalent to an 8 inch. Walt K. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 13:35:56 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!sharkey!wyn386!danielw@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel Wynalda) Subject: CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP Message-ID: <214@wyn386.mi.org> In article <21614@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Devon E Bowen) drivels: >In article <21974@bellcore.bellcore.com>, karn@ka9q.bellcore.com (Phil >Karn) writes: >> Fine. My code is freely available to any and all hams. > >Does this sound snotty to anyone else or is it just me? The original post >asked a very simple question. He just wanted to know if anyone had done any Frankly, I don't understand how someone would DARE CRITICIZE someone who puts as MUCH TIME and EFFORT into this hobby as does Phil. In plain and simple terms, Phil DID SAY "If you think it can be done - do it yourself. That is why he stated his code is available to ALL.". One of ham-radio's objectives is the promotion of the ADVANCEMENT of radio art. You would be hard pressed to find another who has put in as much time and effort as Phil toward this goal. >any degree. And instead of a polite "no, no one is working on that but you >are welcome to if you like" he gets this lecture on how his computer isn't >worth using and he should buy a PC. When he says he likes his computer he He said "It costs $60 for a PC motherboard." Frankly, people who write code like Phil's make ALOT more than that per hour. I realize some people don't, but at some point you CAN'T RETROFIT EVERY COMPUTER. Don't take this like I favor tossing old computers, just know the limits. My executable for ka9q is about 700K. There is NO WAY you are going to get that running on a 64K Z80 CPM machine. If there was, I'd be glad to run it on my old stuff. (By the way, I have a TRS-80 Model 4, 6 Televideo 800A's, and Televideo 816, and a bunch of other junk laying around if anyone wants to play with old equipment.). The 816 is a 16 port Z80 based MPM system with 40MB hard drive and 40MB tape drive. Interested????? I'll let it go CHEAP. >Anyone in this hobby that says something like this in this day and age does >not deserve the shit this guy is getting back for it. And he's getting it >from those people pushing the most for a no-code license to get more doers >into ham radio!!! [not meant to imply I am pro-code] Woe! I won't even bother. Frankly anyone who abuses Phil for being honest doesn't deserve his own words. > >This is no fun anymore. > Ahhhh.. Something we agree on. :-) -- Daniel Wynalda | Telephone: (616) 866-1561 X22 Ham: N8KUD Wynalda Litho Inc. | danielw@wyn386.mi.org I speak only for myself. Everyone 8221 Graphic Ind Pk. | should be responsible for their own actions. Rockford, MI 49341 | Bureaucracy - An organized form of anarchy. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 14:54:44 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: More RED Woes Message-ID: <54781@bbn.COM> My thanks to Frank Wancho for pointing out the discrepancy in the link statistics. The trick was to adjust the location of the start of the externals area to free up more memory. It bothers me that I had to recompile each C file to adjust this figure. It took me close to an hour. The editor now runs, sort of. It clears the display, sets up the prompt line and version message, and then sits there. I get no response from the keyboard, not even from ^C. I have to reset the machine to recover. Oh yeah, and it doesn't display the expected "end-of-file" marker or help instructions. If I invoke it with a file specification, it does the same display set-up, then loads the specified file, displays the first page, and then sits there. So, it looks like the keyboard input code may be the problem. I've seen warnings in the BDS C manual about BIOS differences between real CP/M and look-alikes, my CDOS being one of the latter. The calling conventions are the same, however, as are almost all of the call codes. The fact that it manages to do display set-up and file I/O seems to rule out BIOS differences, but I can't be sure. Can anyone tell me? -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 14:39:39 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: No-Slot Clock - Followup Message-ID: <54779@bbn.COM> Thanks to those who responded to my inquiry about the No-Slot Clock. Armed with the information received, I made a few phone calls. The No-Slot Clock is a device designed to be inserted between a ROM and its socket. It is distributed by SMT, which bundles the device with software for use on PC's and Apples. The device is, in fact, a Dallas Semiconductor SmartWatch, sold under an agreement with the manufacturer. The SMT package includes the documentation needed to write one's own driver. They know of people getting it to work on Commodore and Atari computers. It is a 28-pin device, but is meant to be work in 24-pin sockets as well with some simple jumpering. I contacted two suppliers of the SMT package: Carlisle Computer Central Computer Products 959 Hill Road 330 Central Avenue Las Cruces, NM 88005 Fillmore, CA 93015 800-333-2566 805-524-4189 The man I spoke to at Carlisle seemed to have a little more on the ball. They advertise the package in the Computer Shopper for $39 plus $7 s&h. Anticipated cost: $46. The man I spoke to at Central guessed that they charged $69. According to Chuck Fuller's recent posting, they last advertised it for $49. The March Computer Shopper has an ad from Central, but no mention of the NSC. They indicate, however, that shipping is $4.50. Anticipated cost: $53.50 Based on price and responsiveness, I am leaning toward Carlisle. Has anyone dealt with them before? Did I catch Central on an "off" day? By the way, the number for Dallas Semiconductor is 214-450-0400 (I can't wait to see my long-distance bill :-). They are sending me a catalog, which includes details on the various SmartWatch devices (they have RAM and ROM versions). -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 90 16:19:06 GMT From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: <5307@balu.UUCP> Hello. The Z280 will be released as a 12.5 MHz version this May. True. But as Zilog says, a 25 MHz version will never appear. Sigh. However, a Z80-CMOS with 20 MHz (5 MIPS) is available NOW! Needs quite fast Cache-RAMs to operate, I guess... This guy from Denmark had the bad luck of buying a CP/M-68K system. Although quite small and fast, this OS never reached the popularity of CP/M-80 (2.2/3.x), of which we are talking when saying just 'CP/M', and for which still new software is available. Besides, if you take the PC & clone market away, there will be few who are using Intel processors. They all use 68K, 32K, Z80/180/8000, TMS9995 etc., and they all know why! Very bad luck that IBM took these chips for their PC. But, if you have a look at PC architecture, it isn't even better than that of Intel processors. Every 10-year-old electronic hobbyist would have made a better design than IBM's 'high-tech' engineers (and would have taken better chips, also). Details are much too much to list here. Last but not least, the architecture and quality of the mostly-used OS on that machines fits CPU and and computer design. They probably found the worst OS for the worst computer based on the worst CPU, but that is now called 'industry standard'. BURP! Tilmann ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 20:06:22 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Northstar HSIO Docs? Message-ID: <54811@bbn.COM> I have a Northstar HSIO (serial I/O) card that I'd like to use on my Cromemco. I'm fairly sure that I don't have documentation for this board, among all the manuals that came with the Northstar. Does anyone have the manual for this board? -Jim. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #64 ************************************ 14-Apr-90 15:45:56-MDT,7260;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 14-Apr-90 15:14:42 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 90 15:14:42 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #65 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 14 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 65 Today's Topics: 8008 development under CP/M-80 ? CP/M-68K software Mip and MIPS No more Intel Bashing. Non-Intel Bashing... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Apr 90 18:34:41 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: 8008 development under CP/M-80 ? Message-ID: <2295@ariel.unm.edu> In article <9004112045.AA21047@decpa.pa.dec.com> secrist@msdoa2.enet.dec.com ("That was Zen, this is Tao.") writes: >I am reviving an 8008-based beast. Do any CP/M cross-assemblers exist >for it ? Is it a simple matter of hacking a 8080 assembler and writing >8008 ? Anyone have a source of data sheets for this beast ? Good lord, thats an OLD chip you've got there... whew.. uhm, i doubt if you'll find anything for CP/M (short of old Altair distribution tapes.) that will support the 8008. you might try (Tee Hee Hee) calling Intel and seeing if they still have anything in their dumpsters on that chip.... (Even Better.. "Hello Intel? I was wondering if you still carried the 4004") Find someone w/ an old altair is probably your best shot.. good luck! Re: Commodore PET, uhm. i must be mistaken, but i thought for SURE that those were 6502 or 6809 based machines. gonna be a bas**** to get anything 8086 or Z80 onto that.. tho, i could be wrong. havent touched a PET since Elementary School days.. (I remember they had these really nasty tiny metal keys and a tape drive in the console. uuuugh.) (but that was the really old ones. i've seen ones that have real person keyboards.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 90 09:32:22 -0500 From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox) Subject: CP/M-68K software Message-ID: <9004141432.AA24179@emx.utexas.edu> Ooops, sorry Jens. Forgot the address: You can contact TriSoft at 1825 East 38 1/2 Street Austin, Texas 78722 1-800-531-5170 Since I have a connection with them, I try to not sound like I am advertising over the net. But there are so few places left... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 90 10:21 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: Mip and MIPS Hmm... So, what should we say: 7 MIPS? 7 MIPSes? 7 MIPS's? 7 Mipses? You know, you do say 7 meterS and 7 million inchES... How about 7 BTU's? Wow. A processor that can (only) run half-a-million instructions per. Per microsecond!!! Sorry. I had to do this. -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 90 10:55 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: No more Intel Bashing. Well, I started it all, but I just wrote something really neat that will say something to those who have been railing on CP/M unfairly... Z80 is almost as intel as non-intels can ever get, too. The point is that we are all in the same boat. No one processor is absolutely superior to another - they all have their bells and whistles. Intel's bells just happened to be "not my style." What is important is not the quality of the processor inherently, but how they are used - that's why people say "I love my PC, PS/2, Mac, CP/M, Unix, etc." and not "80C88-2, 32016, Z80B, 68020, TMS320C30, etc." I have my own preferences - I do plan to some day become rich and powerful and make my dream-processor come true by taking over T.I., Intel, Motorola, and ALL!!!! But, hey, I like my Z80, and, you don't hit on my processor, I don't hit on your processor. Besides, I am a philosophy major. I will never be able to afford Intel, not to mention a 386 machine.... -John ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 18:51:06 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: <2296@ariel.unm.edu> In article <5307@balu.UUCP> tilmann@cosmo.UUCP (Tilmann Reh) writes: >The Z280 will be released as a 12.5 MHz version this May. True. >But as Zilog says, a 25 MHz version will never appear. Sigh. Phooey. that would be fun. >However, a Z80-CMOS with 20 MHz (5 MIPS) is available NOW! >Needs quite fast Cache-RAMs to operate, I guess... I didn't even know there was one.. time to give Zilog a call and get some info.. BTW: I was going thru the back of Byte Mag. and i noticed in the Z80 section of stuff you could order, a chip dubbed "Z8400HB1 " what the heck is that chip? anyone have some info? would be nice to find out what it does... >This guy from Denmark had the bad luck of buying a CP/M-68K system. Although >quite small and fast, this OS never reached the popularity of CP/M-80 >(2.2/3.x), of which we are talking when saying just 'CP/M', and for which >still new software is available. True...True...But the 68000's are still very nice processors. I'm actually quite surprised that CP/M-68K didn't get as popular as CP/M-Z80.. I hold the 680x0 line in the same regard as the Z80. its a nice, clean powerful porcessor. I wouldn't mind getting a CP/M-68K machine... (None of this Amiga/Macintosh/Atari ST easy-to-use-but-not-any-fun machines that "Corporate America" is getting screwed with..tho, i'd rather have those be the standard than these IBM crap.) >Besides, if you take the PC & clone market away, there will be few who >are using Intel processors. They all use 68K, 32K, Z80/180/8000, TMS9995 etc., >and they all know why! Very bad luck that IBM took these chips for their PC. >But, if you have a look at PC architecture, it isn't even better than that >of Intel processors. Every 10-year-old electronic hobbyist would have made >a better design than IBM's 'high-tech' engineers (and would have taken better >chips, also). Details are much too much to list here. Last but not least, the >architecture and quality of the mostly-used OS on that machines fits CPU and >and computer design. They probably found the worst OS for the worst computer >based on the worst CPU, but that is now called 'industry standard'. Hear Hear! Well, at least we can be proud to say that we're of a group that knows better! I guess i can be content to use my Z80 machine and let "Corporate America" get ****ed up the ***. Actually, the deserve it. (i'm of the old world "Word Processor? Get a typwriter! Spreadsheet? Get a calculator! Drafting? Get a bloody set of pencils!") Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account. And God said "Let segment:offset be your punishment for your sins..." unfortunatly, the beauraucratic designers liked the idea. pah. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #65 ************************************ 15-Apr-90 11:54:35-MDT,11421;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 11:15:33 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #66 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 15 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 66 Today's Topics: Alpha testers wanted: Z-80 interpreter for unix DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c No-Slot Clock? Wanted: Info on BBS Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix Z80 serial comm speed (was Re: Why Bother With CP/M?) (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Apr 90 22:20:23 GMT From: unisoft!hoptoad!pacbell!uop!quack!mrapple@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Sayer) Subject: Alpha testers wanted: Z-80 interpreter for unix Message-ID: <5269@quack.UUCP> My Z-80 interpreter code is now finished. Currently the interpreter itself and an admittedly lousy debugger are in need of alpha-testing. I have had a chance to test only a small subset of the operations, but those I have tested appear to work ok. This is not a completed project, so if you hate finding bugs, don't bother. Anyone interested in alpha-testing the interpreter on a piece of Z-80 code, please write. Thanks in advance. As soon as the interpreter and debugger are debugged, I'll start working on a BIOS and CP/M implementation. This project is copyrighted only to maintain revision control. Any non-commercial distribution is ok by me. No warranties, expressed or implied, are valid. -- Nick Sayer - The Duck Pond public unix - 209-952-5347 (Telebit) ---------------------------------+--------------------------------- quack!mrapple@uop.edu ! ...pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple ! And now, The Fish Slapping Dance N6QQQ (145.75 - TCP/IP soon) ! ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 90 02:49:19 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!ditmela!yarra!monu6!minyos!rxxqva@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Quentin van Abbe) Subject: DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c Message-ID: <3337@minyos.xx.rmit.oz> I presently maintain for an outside group an aged EXIDY Sorcerer running CPM2.2. I would like to transfer software back and forth via a DOS machine, but try as I may I cannot read my CPM disks on the PC. I've used SYDEX's ANADISK and disc copy routines, but neither analysis nor copy works. Nor do any of the other copy or analyse routines I've been able to locate. Not being in any sense a CPM guru, I seek advice from some whizz out there who may have had experience with a similar m/c. An alternative, of course, would be a simple cable set-up to provide a serial link between the two m/cs, or modem access. One problem is an acute shortage of documentation about the m/c, so everything I do is guesswork. Any help gratefully received. If you wish to email me, my address, mailers willing, is rxxqva@skaro.xx.rmit.oz.au. Quentin van Abbe. (my opinions are my own - I certainly would not trust me to represent anyone else's!) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 90 04:25:54 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!nsscb!ameyer@ucsd.edu (Andy Meyer) Subject: No-Slot Clock? Message-ID: <1466@nsscb.UUCP> In article <2726@unocss.unomaha.edu> fg041@unocss.UUCP (Jack Winslade) writes: > I am currently attempting to get one running on a Telewidget 802 > and having a hair-pulling session due to the way they bank out the ROM at > startup. I have heard that they work quite well on the Kaypro, though. Anyone using a SmartWatch in an Altos 580? If so, I'm interested in details. Thanks, Andy. -- Andreas Meyer N2FYE AT&T National Systems Support Center uucp: ..!att!ulysses!nsscb!ameyer or: ameyer%nsscb@ulysses.att.com Ripstop nylon - How does it know? ------------------------------ Date: 13 Apr 90 01:28:09 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!uhnix1!moray!urchin!f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org!Phillip.Keen@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Phillip Keen) Subject: Wanted: Info on BBS Message-ID: <20102.26258429@urchin.fidonet.org> MJ> Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm MJ> MJ> MJ> I have a Kaypro 4/84 with 2 floppies that I would like to use for a local MJ> BBS. MJ> I have the following questions: MJ> 1. What is the biggest/fastest hard drive this machine can hold? MJ> 2. Where can I get the boards needed to put one in? (How much $?) MJ> 3. What BBS software would you recommend, why, and where can I MJ> get it? MJ> - I am looking for the following in a BBS: MJ> * Easy to use file system MJ> * Internet mailing abilities (not a must) MJ> Thanks in advance. I will post a summary if there is interest. I think MJ> this MJ> is a great use for these machines. I would like a discussion on the MJ> processor MJ> speed vs 2400 bps. Does this pose any problems? I would guess for 9600, MJ> one MJ> would definitly need a better/faster processor for performace. Am I Yes, you can run 9600 on those old 8-Bits! There's an RCP/M right here in Houston that allows 9600+ bauds operations. The best BBS programs for CP/M right now are PBBS, PICS, and ZMSG. Of course you will also need ZCPR and all those goodies too. Phillip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 03:00:19 EDT From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough) Subject: Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix Message-ID: I tried mailing this, but someone burped on it. Anyway, this may be of general interest ..... The DAA instruction promises to be a real horror. You'll need to note three things from the last 8 or 16 bit add / subtract operation: the standard carry (i.e. from bit 7), the half carry: this flags if there was a carry out of bit 3, into bit 4: do something like: hc = ((op1 & 0x0f) + (op2 & 0x0f)) & 0x10 where op1 and op2 are the two operands in the add. Note also if it was an addition or a subtraction. This is basically collecting the following three Z80 flags: C, I, N (carry, half carry - aka intermediate carry, and negative (i.e. subtraction). Note the N flag is distinct from the S (sign) flag - the S simply echos bit 7 of the acc, whereas the N notes whether the last 8 bit op was an addition or subtraction. Now for the fun stuff: if (addition) /* i.e. N is clear: last op was an add) { if (half carry set || (acc & 0x0f) < 9) add 6 to acc if (main carry set || (acc & 0xf0) < 0x90) add 0x60 to acc } else /* subtraction */ { if (half carry set || (acc & 0x0f) < 9) subtract 6 from acc if (main carry set || (acc & 0xf0) < 0x90) subtract 0x60 from acc } I think this is right, but I wouldn't want to swear to it. I then dug out "The gospel according to Carr" (The Z80 user's manual, by Joseph Carr, ISBN 0-8359-9516-X ) - It has the following table for what happens in a DAA. Used with C C I low high number instruction before after before nibble nibble added --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADC\ 0 0 0 0-9 0-9 00 ADD > 0 0 0 a-f 0-8 06 INC/ 0 0 1 0-3 0-9 06 i.e. N flag clear 0 1 0 0-9 a-f 60 0 1 0 a-f 9-f 66 0 1 1 0-3 a-f 66 1 1 0 0-9 0-2 00 1 1 0 a-f 0-2 fa 1 1 1 0-3 0-3 a0 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEG\ 0 0 0 0-9 0-9 00 SUB > 0 0 1 6-f 0-8 fa SBC/ 1 1 0 0-9 7-f a0 i.e. N flag set 1 1 1 6-f 6-f 9a Now, the addition table looks OK, but I'm a little suspicious of the subtraction table. By my reckoning there's only 2048 possible inputs into this: 8 bits of acc data, C, I and N make another 3 for a total of 11 bits - these can only take 2048 distinct inputs. It might be instructive to write a little program to stuff all 2048 values into a DAA instruction, and tabulate the results. That way you'd see what a real Z80 does in all cases. -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 03:00:14 EDT From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough) Subject: Z80 serial comm speed (was Re: Why Bother With CP/M?) Message-ID: Dave Close says: > dg@pallio.UUCP (Who, me?) writes: >> On the other side though, it still chugs along nicely: a 4MHz Z80 can >> do the CRC and data transfer to keep an Xmodem transfer going at up to >> about 22000 BPS, and that's doing the CRC the hard way (i.e. bit banging), >> with a table driven CRC, it'd probably exceed 38400 BPS. > > Actually, it will do even better. I know of a 4MHz Z80 pumping 56Kbps SDLC. You'll forgive me for playing devil's advocate, but we're comparing apples and oranges here. The SDLC is probably done with an SIO, which is capable of doing all the CRC and framing trickery itself, all the Z80 has to do is stuff bytes into the SIO, and with a DMA, the Z80 could actually spend a good proportion of the time asleep. I'm not sure you can do sync prtotocols with an async only uart: the hunt phase would be a real nightmare, and you'd get in all sorts of trouble with the incessant start and stop bits. Hence I can see a Z80A very easily achieving 56KBPS doing SDLC (probably faster if the SIO could be clocked fast enough). However, the Xmodem needs to have the Z80 do the CRC evaluation as well, so it's got to do a little more work. Not that I'm condemning 56K SDLC or anything, it's kinda nice to hear that the Z80 is up to talking to the big guys as a peer. I'm sure that with a little creative genius, it would be possible to do such wonders as HASP and RJE from a Kaypro (look out BITNET - here come the CP/M'ers :-> ) -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 1990 01:55 MDT From: "Frank J. Wancho" Subject: Z80 serial comm speed (was Re: Why Bother With CP/M?) Message-ID: I'm sure that with a little creative genius, it would be possible to do such wonders as HASP and RJE from a Kaypro (look out BITNET - here come the CP/M'ers :-> ) There actually was a commercial HASP/RJE program for CP/M, and it worked pretty well. We had it running on a Northstar Horizon tied to a 4,800 bps four-wire sync modem circuit to our IBM mainframe. It was just a couple of jumper changes on the header of the second serial port as I recall... --Frank ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #66 ************************************ 15-Apr-90 17:47:47-MDT,10982;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 17:15:36 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #67 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 15 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 67 Today's Topics: 8008 docs found Aztec C for CP/M Dropped (2 msgs) CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c Why Bother With CP/M? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Apr 90 14:31:47 GMT From: sumax!quick!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (William Swan) Subject: 8008 docs found Message-ID: <655@flash.UUCP> We seem to have expired the posting, but for the fellow looking for 8008 documentation so he can revive his system: I just dug through my archives, and found some nth-xerox--generation documentation for the wee beast. I think it will survive one more generation of copying... -- Bill Swan bill@Summation.WA.COM Send postal address for info: Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years (or more): Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002. In now: 1 year, 2 months, 3 weeks, 5 days. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 90 17:58:39 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!prls!pyramid!athertn!paul@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Paul Sander) Subject: Aztec C for CP/M Dropped Message-ID: <21608@athertn.Atherton.COM> In article <54714@bbn.COM> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: >Article-I.D.: bbn.54714 >Sender: news@bbn.COM >Reply-To: gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) >Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA >Lines: 13 > >I called Manx Software Systems (201-780-3072), last month, to confirm that >they still carried the CP/M version of Aztec C. A man answered the phone >as if it were his home. Uh-oh. I asked about Aztec C for CP/M. He said >that the company is now called "MCS", and they no longer support CP/M. Are you kidding? I just bought copies of Aztec C for Apple ProDOS and CP/M from Manx three weeks ago. When I called, a woman answered the phone in a professional manner, had never heard of what I wanted and passed me along to another woman who was very helpful. She said they BOTH compilers in stock, and I had them in my hand 7 days later (shipped UPS ground). She did admit that she didn't know anyone was still using Apple CP/M, though. I've called their technical support BBS sevaral times, and it seems to be active, and it still answers the phone as "Manx". -- Paul Sander (408) 734-9822 | Beware the programmer whose code paul@Atherton.COM | reusability tool is the "copy" command. {decwrl,pyramid,sun}!athertn!paul | ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 90 22:17:03 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Aztec C for CP/M Dropped Message-ID: <54885@bbn.COM> In article <21608@athertn.Atherton.COM> paul@Atherton.COM (Paul Sander) writes: >In article <54714@bbn.COM> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: >>I called Manx Software Systems (201-780-3072), last month, to confirm that >>they still carried the CP/M version of Aztec C. A man answered the phone >>as if it were his home. Uh-oh. I asked about Aztec C for CP/M. He said >>that the company is now called "MCS", and they no longer support CP/M. > >Are you kidding? I just bought copies of Aztec C for Apple ProDOS and >CP/M from Manx three weeks ago. When I called, a woman answered the phone >in a professional manner, had never heard of what I wanted and passed me >along to another woman who was very helpful. She said they BOTH compilers >in stock, and I had them in my hand 7 days later (shipped UPS ground). >She did admit that she didn't know anyone was still using Apple CP/M, though. > >I've called their technical support BBS sevaral times, and it seems to be >active, and it still answers the phone as "Manx". Maybe the guy I spoke to hacked me. I originally called 201-780-4004, which is the number listed in the Aztec C manual I had borrowed from a fellow employee. The man who answered said that Manx no longer had that number. He could not provide me with the new number. I then called directory assistance (201-555-1212). The operator gave me 201-780-3072 as the number for Manx Software Systems. I called the number and got the results I posted above. Did I get the wrong number? I am both disappointed and embarrassed for receiving and propagating incorrect information. May I have the correct phone number, for future reference? -Jim. Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm Subject: Re: Aztec C for CP/M Dropped Reply-To: gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA In article <21608@athertn.Atherton.COM> paul@Atherton.COM (Paul Sander) writes: >In article <54714@bbn.COM> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: >>I called Manx Software Systems (201-780-3072), last month, to confirm that >>they still carried the CP/M version of Aztec C. A man answered the phone >>as if it were his home. Uh-oh. I asked about Aztec C for CP/M. He said >>that the company is now called "MCS", and they no longer support CP/M. > >Are you kidding? I just bought copies of Aztec C for Apple ProDOS and >CP/M from Manx three weeks ago. When I called, a woman answered the phone >in a professional manner, had never heard of what I wanted and passed me >along to another woman who was very helpful. She said they BOTH compilers >in stock, and I had them in my hand 7 days later (shipped UPS ground). >She did admit that she didn't know anyone was still using Apple CP/M, though. > >I've called their technical support BBS sevaral times, and it seems to be >active, and it still answers the phone as "Manx". Maybe the guy I spoke to hacked me. I originally called 201-780-4004, which is the number listed in the Aztec C manual I had borrowed from a fellow employee. The man who answered said that Manx no longer had that number. He could not provide me with the new number. I then called directory assistance (201-555-1212). The operator gave me 201-780-3072 as the number for Manx Software Systems. I called the number and got the results I posted above. Did I get the wrong number? I am both disappointed and embarrassed for receiving and propagating incorrect information. May I have the correct phone number, for future reference? -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Apr 90 22:57:00 GMT From: dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!darth!insight!bhh@PT.CS.CMU.EDU (Brian Hughes) Subject: CP/M sofware for packet radio and TCP/IP Message-ID: <50.2626BFCE@insight.FIDONET.ORG> > From: dave@compnect.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) > Date: 9 Apr 90 21:01:25 GMT > Organization: John Core at home, Harrisburg,PA > Message-ID: <519@compnect.UUCP> > Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm,rec.ham-radio.packet > Phil, maybe he likes it! I have a Molecular Mod. 9 in > my little room with 2 > Seiko 8610's nearby. All operational, all (gasp) > CP-MP/M or N-Star and all > multi-user. Nice machines, fun to hack on and just Dave, I'm the fellow who bought John Core's Mole 32 - the ugly one with the two 8 inch HD drives - small world isn't it? Any chance you might be interested in writing a BYE5 insert for the Mole? BTW, you should have received UUCP.LBR from John by now. -- FidoNet : 1:129/65.1 Insight BBS UUCP/SEAdog/Kitten (412) 487-3701 UUCP : ..pitt!darth!insight!bhh : ..{psuvax1|decvax|cadre|}!idis!insight!bhh : bhh@insight.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 90 21:25:10 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c Message-ID: <83@simasd.UUCP> I think what you need is SYDEX 22DSK which permits reading 'foreign' formats into DOS. ANADISK does not have that capability as I recall. UNIFORM is another possibility, but I don't know that it covers the EXIDY format or not. The null modem is the final fallback if you have a communications program for the EXIDY. UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 90 07:47:13 GMT From: jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU!kleinj@cs.orst.edu (Justin the Blue) Subject: Why Bother With CP/M? Message-ID: <17632@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> Why bother with CP/M? It's not much of an answer, but more of a preface: my very first computer was a Xerox 820/I, the single-board wonder. The guy who put it all together used old steel Tektronix cases as chassis. They are indestructible, and give one the added advantage of having an extra seat around for a guest. "Can't find a seat!" "Go ahead...sit there." "But, that's the computer!" Seriously though, We here at SunDial use two computers. One is an IBM PCI, which we lucked into...the salesman was under the impression that the drives were Single Side Single Dense, and only 128Kb memory, and when we got home with it ti turned oout those drives were DSDD, and 256Kb memory...for $250, and IBM original. I have been exploring the PCDOS 3.3 world as a child with the bestest new toy in the universe. I really like it...features like sub- directories allowing me to organize files to my liking, and compatibility with all the shareware I could ever want. Sure couldn't do that with CP/M. But what I can do with CP/M is: the same basic stuff, simply, quickly, and well. So your computer is a '386 that runs at 32 Meg with so much storage I could move a Cambodian family in. Last time I looked at my applications, I just plain didn't need such conspicuous consumption. So, I like the IBM world, more so that I now can tak a part in it. But don't tell me that CP/M is: Outmoded Difficult Too Simple, Or, that favourite stupid comment that I mostly hear snooty Clone and Macintosh users spout.... Isn't that an OBSOLETE OS? NO, no more than breathing air an obsolete way of getting respiration. (next time a snooty IBM/Clone/Mac user starts getting your goat, remind them of a great advantage of 'obsolecence'.... When was the last time you heard a CP/M user all upset about Whether or not a virus was getting at their system. They shut up real quick after you remind them of this.) -Justin the Blue- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #67 ************************************ 17-Apr-90 09:24:27-MDT,7916;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 09:15:18 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #68 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 17 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 68 Today's Topics: 22DSK 8080 + CP/M Emulator CBM PET - what is this doing in comp.os.cpm? Heee. INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50 Kermit for Commodore PET running CBM No-Slot Clock? Non-Intel Bashing... QTERM overlay for Ampro Little Board Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 11:03 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: 22DSK Yeah. 22DSK should have it - it is configurable, too, so if you know your disk format, (and understand the 22DSK manual well enough) you can fit it to read your CP/M format on any PCDOS machine (not all MS-DOS machines). It is in SIMTEL under 22dsk130 or 132.arc or somewhere thereabouts. -John ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 90 15:13:41 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!brian@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Brian Musker) Subject: 8080 + CP/M Emulator Message-ID: <11357@attcan.UUCP> Well, I have received 11 requests for the sources to my 8080 emulator & CP/M+ BIOS... I'd be glad to ship it out through the net or by mail (perhaps a posting to comp.sources.unix?) - any preferences? Please give me about a week to get this out, as it is located on a computer at my old home (I'm moving this month), and I no longer have phone lines there! I'll also try to piece together some docs on how to get the emulator setup and CP/M running on it. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 03:00:13 EDT From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough) Subject: CBM PET - what is this doing in comp.os.cpm? Message-ID: cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu (aNk1ez) says: > Re: Commodore PET, uhm. i must be mistaken, but i thought for SURE that > those were 6502 or 6809 based machines. You betcha - the Pet is a 6502 machine. I ought to redirect followups to comp.sys.cbm, but I don't know if the INFO-CPM gateway groks 822 headers :-). Anyway - the Pet is the grandaddy of the C64 / C128 family: if you don't use any screen / device peeks and pokes, it's possible to swap basic programs between the C64 and the Pet. We now return you to your regular CP/M material :-) -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 11:13 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: Heee. I like that quote! "Let segment:offset be your punishment for your sins..." Can I tell people about it? Anyways, Z8400 is Zilog's official part number for Z80. Z8400H is the 8 (or is it 10, now?) MHz beast. B is supposed to stand for Mil STD 883 class B, but there is supposed to be another letter between H and B that designates packaging. I doubt that mail order places carry Mil STD parts, tho'. -John ------------------------------ Date: 13 Apr 90 08:55:38 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #50 Message-ID: <2312@ariel.unm.edu> Ack, ack, ack, ack. Okay, gotta clear some stuff up..... Re: Comm program for Z80. One person requested a copy, however the mail program on our vax does not want to talk to this person, sooo.... i'm just gonna reply here (sorry everyone else, if you don't like this.) Dear , It's going to take some hacking on your part to get it running on your machine, but i'd be happy to mail you a floppy if you really don't want to use uucp. Disk formats supported by me: IBM 160k, 180k, 320k, 360k DEC RX50, RX01 MFE 1.2mb (8") TRS-80 180k send a SASE (SASDM? (Self addressed stamped disk mailer?) to: 9th Floor Hackers Society Re: NewComm 4.1 CP/M source dist. PO Box 726 Cedar Crest, NM 87008 but it'd be hellishly easier to uucp,ftp whatever mail it to you.. There was something else too.. oh well.. i'm in 2am BabbleMode so... Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account This disclaimer space intentionally left blank. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 90 23:04:29 GMT From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Kermit for Commodore PET running CBM Message-ID: <5312@balu.UUCP> Hi Andy, I'm sorry to tell you that all the older Commodore's (20xx,30xx,40xx,80xx) are using a very special disk format which is in no way corresponding to the worldwide standard 'IBM 3740'. So, you will have to go the hard way: via null-modem... Greetings, Tilmann ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 90 16:55:53 GMT From: ssbell!mcmi!unocss!fg041@uunet.uu.net (fg041) Subject: No-Slot Clock? Message-ID: <2726@unocss.unomaha.edu> $30. I am currently attempting to get one running on a Telewidget 802 and having a hair-pulling session due to the way they bank out the ROM at startup. I have heard that they work quite well on the Kaypro, though. Good Day! JSW ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 90 23:05:20 GMT From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Non-Intel Bashing... Message-ID: <5313@balu.UUCP> Hi. The exact name of the 20 MHz CMOS Z80 is : Z84C0020xxx (where xxx is to be replaced by the case/temperature specifier) But I personally don't see much sense in using this chip for a CP/M system. It is intended for small and fast (TTL-I/O) controller boards. The features you need for making any OS work aren't possible at that speed (think of DRAM or the 4 MHz Z80-DMA). Well, I know that the 68K is a very fine processor (orthogonal Instruction Set, for example). Would be my choice too, if I hadn't a Z180 system (working on upgrade to 280). I too am sorry that the 'standard' does not seem to be changeable anymore. Some millions of 'these craps' won't be thrown away... Tilmann ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 90 18:42:00 GMT From: csusac!unify!rdk386!usenet@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu Subject: QTERM overlay for Ampro Little Board Message-ID: Anyone out there have a working QTERM 4.x overlay for the Ampro Little Board? The one in QTPATCH.LBR has a few things wrong with it. Many thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 90 20:20:28 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!frip!andrew@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix Message-ID: <6806@orca.wv.tek.com> [] "It might be instructive to write a little program to stuff all 2048 values into a DAA instruction, and tabulate the results. That way you'd see what a real Z80 does in all cases." Better yet, just use this table in your implementation of the DAA emulator, and don't bother to work out the algorithm. This table lookup is probably the fastest you can go without precompiling some code. -=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) [UUCP] (andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA] ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #68 ************************************ 17-Apr-90 16:20:30-MDT,16858;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 16:15:08 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #69 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 17 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 69 Today's Topics: Bye510 Clock Inserts DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c HELP, my Kermit won't work with their Kermit Trenton Computer Festival WordStar 4.0 Console Patch Problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Apr 90 18:27:06 GMT From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!umrose05@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Rose) Subject: Bye510 Clock Inserts Message-ID: <1990Apr17.182706.4505@ccu.umanitoba.ca> I currently have Bye510 working on my Trs-80 Model 4, but it is without a clock insert...What I am wondering, is...is there a clock insert available specifically for the Trs-80 Model 4, or is it just a clock insert for CPM 2.2 (Montezuma)... Also, if there aren't any available, how hard would it be to program a clock routine for a CPM 2.2 Machine.... Dave -- Dave Rose : Local (UnixWS) - UMRose05@CCU.UManitoba.CA P.O. Box 403 : Local (Amdahl) - #Rose05@CCM.UManitoba.CA Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: UUCP Node #005 - drose@trash.UUCP R2M-5H3 : ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 90 18:57:30 GMT From: omni!curt@uunet.uu.net (Curt Mayer) Subject: DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c Message-ID: <2031@omni.omni.com> In article <3337@minyos.xx.rmit.oz> rxxqva@minyos.xx.rmit.oz (Quentin van Abbe) writes: >I presently maintain for an outside group an aged EXIDY Sorcerer running CPM2.2 >I would like to transfer software back and forth via a DOS machine, but try as >I may I cannot read my CPM disks on the PC. I've used SYDEX's ANADISK and >disc copy routines, but neither analysis nor copy works. Nor do any of the >other copy or analyse routines I've been able to locate. this fails for a very simple reason. if this is a exidy disk system, it uses the micropolis disk controllers and drives. these use 16 sector hole media. any disk analysis program you have would have to read hard sectored media. i have never heard of any non-hardware solution to this. i have owned an sorcerer, and have hacked the hardware to do 80x24 video, running at 5.5 mhz. berry ugly. anyway, one person who has full documents, including schematics and extra rom-pacs, is: harold gerbracht pulse sciences inc 600 McCormick Street San Leandro, CA 94577 (415) 632-5100 drop a dime to him and he can fill your ear in a hurry about exidy. also, you might be able to talk him out of a copy of docs or spare parts. re: transfer to dos 2 solutions, 1 hard but fun, 1 easy but boring. 1) get a compupro disk1, plug it into your backplane, hack the cbios to read/write ibm pcdos format yourself using DOSDISK. 2) serial cable using pip/xmodem/whatever. Curt Mayer curt@omni.UUCP curt@omni.com ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 90 17:52:31 GMT From: voder!thoreau!rtodd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ron Todd) Subject: HELP, my Kermit won't work with their Kermit Message-ID: <43@thoreau.nsc.com> Help, here's the situation, I've got version 4.09 of Kermit running on my stock KAYPRO-II with a Volksmodem at 300baud. They have version 3.1.066 of VMS Kermit running on their VAX cluster with DECSERVER terminal servers. I have tried everything I can think of and IT still happens. IT is this: when I go to download files everything works fine upto the time when the KAYPRO goes to write the disk with 16K of buffer; it comes back, acts deaf for a while and then barfs up "Can't Receive". I connect back to the remote and it is still sending packets, the same one! I've tried reducing the buffer size as small as 2K and still the same thing. Can anyone help?? EMAIL or net are fine. Ron Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 17:36:00 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: Trenton Computer Festival Here is the latest word on the Trenton Computer Festival taking place this weekend in Trenton, NJ. We hope to see lots of CP/M and Z-System people at the all-day conference on Saturday. --------------------------------------------------------------- April 14, 1990: TRENTON2.MSG TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL ========================= Saturday, April 21 -- Sunday, April 22, 1990 Mercer County College and Trenton State College On Saturday, April 21, 1990, at Mercer County College, there will be an all-day 8-Bit (CP/M and Z-System) workshop featuring as speakers the authors of the most exciting new program offerings of the past two years. Door prizes will be given out to those who register. With so many of the activists in 8-bit computing coming to the show, I am pretty sure we will hold some activities on Sunday morning as well. In the evening, at Trenton State College, there will be the annual banquet, featuring industry luminaries (past speakers have been Bill Gates of MicroSoft and Seymour Rubenstein of WordStar). The featured guest this year is David House, one of the leaders of Intel. The 8-bit community will also be making a short presentation and giving out additional door prizes at the banquet (official approval no longer pending; it was granted today). The program as published is shown below. With all the new people coming, we may break up some of the slots so that we can accommodate some additional short talks. Information about getting to the festival has appeared in other files and will not be repeated here. 10:00 Session Opens, general business and socializing 10:30 Bridger Mitchell: Tools for CP/M -- DosDisk, JetFind, PluPerfect Writer, and the new ZMATE editor 11:45 SIG/M: Future of Public Domain Software 1:00 Jay Sage: Introduction to Z-System 2:15 Hal Bower, Cam Cotrill: The Future of 8-Bit Operating Systems 3:30 Jay Sage: Computing Automation Using ARUNZ Scripts 4:20 Al Hawley: Assembly Language Programming and the New ZMAC Assembler 4:45 Bridger Mitchell: Multitasking with BackGrounder ii 6:00 Free Time 7:00 Trenton Computer Festival Banquet The following people are expected to be at the TCF workshop (please let me know of any additions or corrections): Hal Bower One of authors of ZSDOS/ZDDOS, the date stamping disk operating systems Lee Bradley Sysop of the Mouse House Z-Node #12 in Hartford, CT Cam Cotrill Another of the ZSDOS/ZDDOS authors, coming in from Los Angeles Ian Cottrell Author of latest versions of PBBS, coming in from Ottawa Bob Dean Sysop, Drexel Hill Z-Node #6 in Philadelphia Rob Friefeld Author of LSH history shell and SALIAS alias editor coming in from Los Angeles Howard Goldstein Premier software sleuth, bug finder, and fixer Al Hawley Author of REVAS, ZMAC; sysop of Ladera Z-Node Central (#2) in Los Angeles Liv Hinckley Sysop of Z-Node #15 in New York Bridger Mitchell Principal of Plu*Perfect Systems, author of DateStamper, BGii, Z3PLUS, DosDisk, and more, coming from Los Angeles Chris McEwen Principal behind the Z-System Software Update Service; sysop of the Socrates Z-Node #32 Bruce Morgen Z-System programmer; founder of NAOG (North American One-Eighty Group for SB180) Dick Roberts Author of DRBS BBS program; sysop of Holly Park Z-Node #21 Jay Sage Author of ZCPR34, ARUNZ; an architect of the NZCOM and Z3PLUS autoinstall Z-Systems, sysop of Z-Node #3 in Boston Bob Schultz Currently working on a port of NZCOM to multiuser systems Carson Wilson The third of the ZSDOS authors and sysop of the Antelope Freeway Z-Node in Chicago --------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Mar 90 14:54:36 EST From: Pete Holsberg Subject: Trenton Computer Festival TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL 1990 The 15th annual Trenton Computer Festival will be held on April 21-22, 1990 on the campus of Mercer County Community College, Trenton, NJ. A ticket costs $7.00 ($3.00 for students and senior citizens) and provides admission for both days. A "Sunday-only" ticket costs $5.00. The keynote speaker will be David House, executive vice president of Intel Corp. He will speak in the Kelsey Theater at 4:00 PM Saturday. Tickets for the banquet are $15.00. Once more, Sol Libes will be the master of ceremonies. Because MCCC is a commuter college, the Flea Market will be BIGGER THAN EVER BEFORE!! ALL parking will be at Mercer County Park, with entrances on Hughes Drive and on Old Trenton Rd. (county route 535). A free bus will take you to within 50 feet of the ticket booth. Directions To Trenton Computer Festival 1990 at Mercer County Community College, 1200 Old Trenton Rd., Trenton. Automobile From North via U. S. 1: Follow U.S. 1 South of Princeton. Exit onto Quakerbridge Road (South 533). After two miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive. Hughes Drive passes Mercer County Park (automotive parking) on left. Proceed to Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old Trenton Road to main campus entrance. From South via U.S. 1: Cross toll bridge into New Jersey on U. S. 1 Proceed North past I-295 interchange. Exit onto Quakerbridge Road (South 522). After two miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive. Hughes Drive passes Mercer County Park (automotive parking) on left. Proceed to Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old Trenton Road to main campus entrance. From South via Interstate 95: North on Interstate 95 which becomes Interstate 295 South. Continue to U. S. 1 Exit. Exit onto U. S. 1 North. Proceed one mile and exit onto Quakerbridge Road (South 533). After two miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive. Hughes Drive passes Mercer County Park (automotive parking) on left. Proceed to Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old Trenton Road to main campus entrance. From South via Interstate 295: North on Interstate 295 to U.S. 1 Exit. Exit onto U.S. 1 North. Proceed one mile and exit onto Quakerbridge Road (South 533). After two miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive. Hughes Drive passes Mercer County Park (automotive parking) on left. Proceed to Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old Trenton Road to main campus entrance. From North via New Jersey Turnpike: Exit at Exit 8 at Hightstown onto 33 West. Take 33 West to 571 in downtown Hightstown. Turn right onto 571. Take 571 to 535 (GE (former RCA) Space Center on right). Turn left on 535 (Old Trenton Road). MCCC is approximately 5 miles from 571. Old Trenton Road passes Mercer County Park (automobile parking) on the right. Main campus entrance is next to park. From South via New Jersey Turnpike: Exit at Exit 7A onto Interstate 195 West. Interstate 195 West becomes Interstate 295 North. North on Interstate 295 to U.S. 1 Exit. Exit onto U.S. 1 North. Proceed one mile and exit onto Quakerbridge Road (South 533). After two miles, turn left onto Hughes Drive. Hughes Drive passes Mercer County Park (automotive parking) on left. Proceed to Old Trenton Road. Turn left on Old Trenton Road to main campus entrance. Automobile Parking: Automobile parking will be available at Mercer County Park which is immediately adjacent to MCCC and has entrances on both Hughes Road and Old Trenton Road on either side of the college. Do not expect to park on the campus. Free parking shuttle bus transportation will be available. Plan on a half mile walk or a two mile bus ride. By Public Transportation (Train): Take AMTRAK, SEPTA, or New Jersey Transit to the AMTRAK Station in Trenton. Bus service is available on Saturday, hourly to Mercer County Community College from 7:00 AM to 10:00 PM. Take the 609 bus. Be sure the bus is marked "609MCCC" as not all 609 buses travel to MCCC. No bus service will be available on Sunday. No bus transportation is available from Princeton Junction Station. Prof. Peter J. Holsberg UUCP: {...!rutgers!}princeton!mccc!pjh Eng'g Tech'gy/Comp'r/Math Mercer College - 1200 Old Trenton Road Trenton, NJ 08690 Voice: 609-586-4800 FAX: 609-586-6944 Home of the 1990 TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL, April 21-22, 1990 ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 90 12:48:27 PDT (Tuesday) From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM Subject: WordStar 4.0 Console Patch Problem Message-ID: <900417-125101-4442@Xerox> I upgraded my copy of CP/M WordStar 3.3 to the newer 4.0 version, but am having trouble getting the function keys on my keyboard to work. Can anyone give me a hand here? The computer is a Xerox 820-II, with a low profile keyboard, and 5.0 ROM's. Since for the most part, the 820's function keys return values above '7F', and do not use the "burst" mode used by 4.0's FUNDLY::/FUNTBL::, I could not use WS's function key area. I had to write my own console routines. There are three optional console I/O routines that can be user supplied in WS 4.0. They are UCNSTA:: (User Console Status), UCONI:: (User Console Input), and UCONO:: (User Console Output). I only used UCNSTA:: and UCONI::, as console output was fine the way it was. The UCONI:: now checks first to see if a function key is already being processed (multiple byte function). If not, it gets the next character from console using BDOS function 6, Direct I/O. If this character is less than '80' hex, it is passed back to WS. If it is a function key, it references a look up table containing the number of keystroke bytes to be passed back, and the actual keystroke bytes. A flag is set to show that multiple bytes need to be passed, and the position in the look-up table is stored. The first keystroke is then passed back to WS. If a function key IS being processed, it grabs the next byte from the look-up table, and passes it back to WS, same process as before, except the flag is cleared once all the bytes have been passed back. The UCNSTA:: simply checks the process flag. If it's true, it returns a value stating that another character is ready from the console. If it's false, then it calls BDOS function 11, the console status function. This is how I handle the multiple byte functions from UCONI::. It almost works, but not quite. I must type slow, or some characters are duplicated, while others are missed. The cursor position is always correct, even if a character is printed twice. Also, if I try to load a new document, WS locks up. Old files load fine. Can anyone give me a hand here? I suspect maybe part of my problem is in using BDOS Call 6, but I can't figure another way to get a character without if first being output to the console. ~ Mike Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #69 ************************************ 19-Apr-90 04:32:13-MDT,9222;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 04:15:25 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #70 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 19 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 70 Today's Topics: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility (2 msgs) Dinosaur for sale... DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c Heee. Osborne/QX-10/High-Density Drives Wanted: Info on BBS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Apr 90 14:23:40 GMT From: news@bbn.com (News system owner ID) Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility Message-ID: <55002@bbn.COM> I am contemplating purchasing a WDI-II, which is a hard disk controller that Cromemco used to offer for its S-100 computers. I am waiting for a snail-mail reply from the seller regarding compatibility of this controller with currently-available drives. I've been stung twice, now, by Cromemco's non-standard signal assignments, on the 8" floppy disk controller and the parallel printer card. From: gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Path: bbn.com!gonzalez So, has anyone had experience with the WDI-II? Has anyone succeeded in using it with drives that are still available? If not, does anyone have a line on an ST506, ESDI, or (unlikely) SCSI controller for S-100? I sure wish I could go to the Trenton show this weekend; I'm sure they'd have one down there. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 90 02:08:55 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility Message-ID: <2395@ariel.unm.edu> In article <55002@bbn.COM> gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: >So, has anyone had experience with the WDI-II? Has anyone succeeded in >using it with drives that are still available? If not, does anyone have >a line on an ST506, ESDI, or (unlikely) SCSI controller for S-100? You've got to be either mistaken or messed up. the ST506 is a 5meg unbuffered seek segate HD... i keep hearing people say "Thats a 80meg" and i've SEEN St506's run, i have documentation for 506's and everything. ugh. a 5 meg drive. what a sick thought. if you want 80megs, try part number ST4096 next time. 80.2 mb MFM, 96mb RLL. tis what my Leviathan has attached to it. grr... if its one thing i'm a stickler for is correct part numbers. anyways, if you REALLY wanna hook up a 506, tho i don't think you want to, all hard drive controllers have support for the 506. ST506 4 heads, 153 cylinders, 128 b Read/write comp., 128 b Write Precomp. ST4096 9 heads, 1024 cylinders, 1024 b RWC, 0 Write Precomp. Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account This disclaimer space intentionally left blank. "Buy a Z80 machine, call IBM and tell them to stuff it, and hack till your chips burn out" - Random comment by me. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 90 17:56:27 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!peregrine!ccicpg!cci632!sjfc!mdg2702@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Delgrosso) Subject: Dinosaur for sale... Message-ID: <980@sjfc.UUCP> Does anyone remember the Kaypro? I didn't think so... Anyway, I have a Kaypro IV '83 in excellent condition, with all of the original software masters, backups, upgrades, books, and manuals, along with other commercial and public domain software. It also has Rembrandt (a graphics upgrade with software). It has been a super little machine for me, but seeing as I have neither the time nor the money to tinker anymore, I must unload it. It has been sitting in my dorm room closet and I just don't have room for it. Like I said, it is in excellent condition (it could use a head cleaning, though) and I have made no alterations to it, with the exception of installing the graphics upgrade chip. (I still have the chip that generates the Greek character set.) The big question is, does ANYONE want to buy it, or know of ANYONE that would?? PLEASE, oh pleeeeeeease send mail or post something ASAP. I have no time or patience to call around to users groups or search through magazines, so all of your help is GREATLY appreciated!! Thank you in advance!! - Tony -- ***************************************************************************** M. Anthony Delgrosso "I didn't do it. Nobody St. John Fisher College saw me do it. You can't Rochester, New York prove anything!" ...!cci632!sjfc!mdg2702 -Bart Simpson ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 90 00:32:07 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos!rxxqva@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Quentin van Abbe) Subject: DOS <----> CPM copying for obscure m/c Message-ID: <3378@minyos.xx.rmit.oz> Thanks to all the kind folks who responded to my original post. I've had numerous helpful suggestions and comments, and have resolved the original problem. The two m/cs now talk to each other, with the up/down-loading working fine. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 90 02:00:03 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: Heee. Message-ID: <2394@ariel.unm.edu> Re: quote.. "Let segment:offset be your punishment for your sins..." sure.. by all means.. use it.. along with "Can you honestly trust a company whose logo is falling apart? (Intel's "thing")" Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account This disclaimer space intentionally left blank. "Buy a Z80 machine, call IBM and tell them to stuff it, and hack till your chips burn out" - Random comment by me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 09:21:02 edt From: Subject: Osborne/QX-10/High-Density Drives Message-ID: <9004181421.AG00042@adam.DG.COM> CEO file contents: I have been reading this message board for some time, and a few questions have come up that I hope someone may be able to help me on. 1. I recently got an Osborne 1 (in the Blue Case), but I hardly have any technical information on it. Is there someone that can help me get copies of the schematics, BIOS and PROM listings, and a technical manual (if one was ever created). I am trying to get any information on all the ports that I can get. I also have their modem which connected to the special modem port and fit in the disk slot, and would like information on that (I have the docs, I need technical information). 2. I also have an Epson QX-10 with a Comfiler 10meg hard drive. Does anybody have any technical information on that, and more importantly, has anyone tried using that controller to control larger or a second hard drive? 3. I have been reading all the discussions about hooking modern IBM drives (both 5.25" and 3.5" disk drives) to old CP/M machines. The Osborne 1 I recently got has a faulty B: drive, but A: works fine. I was wondering if I could replace this with a high-density drive. The advantage to this is that all the IBMs that I work with have the high-density drives and I have programs that write Osborne (and QX-10) format, but since I am using a high-density drive, the Osborne (and the QX-10) cannot read them. I would also then like to change the BIOS so that it could write an IBM compatible format. 4. I would also like to try and hook up a 5.25" disk drive to the QX-10, but as a 3rd floppy. I know from the European version of the machine that the controller can handle up to 4 drives. How difficult would hooking up a 3.5" disk drive over the 5.25" drive (and would it be able to read write without BIOS changes, even though it would not use it full capacity). Thanks in advance for any help that you can give me. dan_zehme@bsn.ceo.dg.com dan_zehme%bsn.ceo.dg.com@relay.cs.net ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 90 05:22:25 GMT From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!umrose05@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Rose) Subject: Wanted: Info on BBS Message-ID: <1990Apr18.052225.11218@ccu.umanitoba.ca> >Yes, you can run 9600 on those old 8-Bits! There's an RCP/M right here in >Houston that allows 9600+ bauds operations. The best BBS programs for CP/M >right now are PBBS, PICS, and ZMSG. Of course you will also need ZCPR and all >those goodies too. Phillip Where can one obtain PBBS, PICS or ZMG??? I am quite interested... -- Dave Rose : Local (UnixWS) - UMRose05@CCU.UManitoba.CA P.O. Box 403 : Local (Amdahl) - #Rose05@CCM.UManitoba.CA Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: UUCP Node #005 - drose@trash.UUCP R2M-5H3 : ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #70 ************************************ 20-Apr-90 10:12:32-MDT,6014;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 20-Apr-90 09:41:35 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 09:41:34 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #71 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 20 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 71 Today's Topics: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility Looking for software ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility) Z80 Users Manual bugs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 11:52:44 EST From: Kevin J. Cummings Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility In article <2359@ariel.unm.edu> unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) writes: >In article <55002@bbn.COM> gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: >>So, has anyone had experience with the WDI-II? Has anyone succeeded in >>using it with drives that are still available? If not, does anyone have >>a line on an ST506, ESDI, or (unlikely) SCSI controller for S-100? > >You've got to be either mistaken or messed up. the ST506 is a 5meg unbuffered >seek segate HD... i keep hearing people say "Thats a 80meg" and i've SEEN >St506's run, i have documentation for 506's and everything. ugh. a 5 meg drive. >what a sick thought. if you want 80megs, try part number ST4096 next time. >80.2 mb MFM, 96mb RLL. tis what my Leviathan has attached to it. > >grr... if its one thing i'm a stickler for is correct part numbers. anyways, OK, FLAME -ON Jim is asking about a disk controller that uses the ST-506 INTERFACE, not about an ST-506 disk drive! You may be a stickler for correct part numbers, but when you decide to flame someone, PLEASE understand what that person is talking about. There are 4 common disk drive interfaces today, ESDI, IDE, SCSI, and ST-506 (also called MFM, also called ST412, etc, etc, etc). My ST-506 controller talks very nicely to any ST-506 interface drive including a ST4096 (if I chose to run one!). I have had Shugart 603's on it, and am currently running a Miniscribe 3460 on it (Can you say 40MB, sure you can!). ER! FLAME -OFF BTW Jim, I was lucky enough to find a Morrow HDC/DMA years ago for a good price. Good luck finding a good controller, they're becoming very scarce. ============================================================================ Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc. 20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass. InterNet: CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM CSNet: CUMMINGS%S55.Prime.COM@RELAY.CS.NET UUCP: {uunet, csnet-relay}!S55.Prime.COM!CUMMINGS Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system SUCKS..." ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 90 22:23:57 GMT From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!hprmokg!wgh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Hooper) Subject: Looking for software Message-ID: <30680001@hprmokg.HP.COM> I have a CPM machine that i am looking for software for, particulary on 8" disks. I currently have stuff like Wordstar with mail merge and Calcstar and Datastar, although one file for Datastar became trashed and i can't find the backup. So, my request is for anyone who may have CPM software on 8" disks with documentation to sell. I would like the replace my trashed Datastar also. Thanks Bill Hooper wgh@hprmo ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 90 03:05:14 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility) Message-ID: <2409@ariel.unm.edu> Agh. My mistake. Who would ever think that Segate (or even different companies would use the same part number. thats vile. at LEAST they could have the decency to call it DST506 Techs / cs2591aq@carina.unm.edu aNk1e ByT0rz k1Ub common account This disclaimer space intentionally left blank. "Life? Don't talk to me about life..." - Marvin, The Paranoid Android. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 90 03:54:00 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!ists!yunexus!geac!torsqnt!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!wayne.hortensiu@ucsd.edu (WAYNE HORTENSIU) Subject: Z80 Users Manual bugs Message-ID: <93f671a44d76262c00f8@canremote.uucp> >I then dug out "The gospel according to Carr" (The Z80 user's manual, >by Joseph Carr, ISBN 0-8359-9516-X ) - It has the following table for >what happens in a DAA. I'd be *REAL* careful about relying on the Carr book for much of anything - *ESPECIALLY* the DAA instruction. I got bit by one of the many, many typos and just plain errors in this book once upon a time, and it took me a long while to figure out that I wasn't doing anything wrong - it was the book! The exact problem? Carr lists the DAA instruction as being usable after the following instructions: ADD, ADC, INC, NEG, SUB and SBC. Not true. INC doesn't alter the Carry flag, and when that sucker's set, DAA does Very Interesting Things (it adds too much to the most significant nibble). I ran into this in an interrupt driven RTC - the time was being kept in BCD, and every time the interrupt happened when the Carry flag was set, the time went gaga. Other problems that I remember are missing opcodes in the opcode listings, opcodes without detailed descriptions, etc. Carr is a very nifty looking book - but it's not reliable information. wayne.hortensiu@canremote.uucp --- * Via ProDoor 3.1R ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #71 ************************************ 22-Apr-90 16:48:18-MDT,8863;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 16:15:37 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #72 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 22 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 72 Today's Topics: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility Multiple Z80 processors and righteous hacks. ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility) (2 msgs) SuperCalc configuration patches wanted Trs80 Model 4 Clock Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix Z80 Users Manual bugs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Apr 90 18:19:01 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!crdgw1!ge-dab!tarpit!bilver!bill@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility Message-ID: <678@bilver.UUCP> In article <9004200703.AA12141@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CUMMINGS@S55.Prime.COM (Kevin J. Cummings) writes: >Jim is asking about a disk controller that uses the ST-506 INTERFACE, not about >an ST-506 disk drive! You may be a stickler for correct part numbers, but >when you decide to flame someone, PLEASE understand what that person is >talking about. There are 4 common disk drive interfaces today, ESDI, IDE, SCSI, >and ST-506 (also called MFM, also called ST412, etc, etc, etc). ST-506 and ST-412 interfaces ARE NOT THE SAME. The 506 specs have write precomp. The 412 doens't. The 506 precomp line is is used in the 412 to switch to the other 8 heads. 506 can have 8 heads but no more, 412 can have 16. This has been known to cause more than one person grief. -- Bill Vermillion - UUCP: uunet!tarpit!bilver!bill : bill@bilver.UUCP ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 90 18:25:49 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdsu!crash!mwilson@think.com (Marc Wilson) Subject: Multiple Z80 processors and righteous hacks. Message-ID: <2352@crash.cts.com> -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 90 03:53:35 GMT From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!arcsun.arc.ab.ca!calgary!ccu!shad04@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Fandrich) Subject: ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility) Message-ID: <1990Apr21.035335.117@ccu.umanitoba.ca> In article <6846@orca.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes: >[] > > "the ST506 is a 5meg unbuffered seek segate HD." > >Perhaps, but the term ST506 has also become associated with a >particular design of hard disk interface controller. For example, in >my Tektronix 6130 workstation, the motherboard includes an "ST506 >controller" which talks to a Maxtor 80MB disk drive. Are you sure that's not really an ST412 controller (=ST506 with buffered seeks)? If we're going to be sticklers with part numbers, we might as well go all the way! :-) >>> Dan -- CDNnet: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca Compu$erve: 72365,306 FidoNet: Dan Fandrich at 1:153/50 or 1:153/508 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 90 02:05:22 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali!ogicse!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility) Message-ID: <96@simasd.UUCP> Actually, the controller doesn't give a hoot whether it's an ST-506 (unbuffered) or an ST-412 (buffered seek). It just sends out step signals at the rate that the hard-disk driver tells it to. However, if the drive is in fact an ST-506, and some one forgets to enter the appropriate step rate in the driver - assumes buffered seek, that is - it will just about 'buzz' that poor old unbuffered thing to death! UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 90 02:05:12 GMT From: ogicse!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: SuperCalc configuration patches wanted Message-ID: <95@simasd.UUCP> Knowing which version of SuperCalc would be useful information. UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 90 23:39:57 GMT From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!umlecla3@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Leclair) Subject: Trs80 Model 4 Clock Message-ID: <1990Apr21.233957.5959@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Would anyone know how to access the real time clock on the Trash model 4 using cpm 2.2? Can it be done? Brian ------ Umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brian Leclair) ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 90 15:33:38 GMT From: cucstud!tfd!kent@uunet.uu.net (Kent Hauser) Subject: Z-80 DAA instruction & CP/M-on-unix Message-ID: <1829@tfd.UUCP> In article <5248@quack.UUCP>, mrapple@quack.UUCP (Nick Sayer) writes: > > I am writing a Z-80 emulator in C as part of a CP/M-on-unix package. > It will be PD if/when I finish it (except for the parts still > copyrighted by Digital Research, if any. Confirmation anyone?). > ... > Is anyone interested in this package if/when I finish it? It's > fairly straightforward. The way it'll work is you make a file > of a certain size (or more than one, if you want), then specify > that file on the command line. That file will then be a CP/M > disk. You can also connect files to CP/M's devices, like > PTR:/PTP:, etc. The tough part will be getting BDOS/CCP installed. > I'm fairly sure BIOS won't present any major problems. > -- > Nick Sayer - The Duck Pond public unix - 209-952-5347 (Telebit) > ---------------------------------+--------------------------------- > quack!mrapple@uop.edu ! > ...pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple ! And now, The Fish Slapping Dance > N6QQQ (145.75 - TCP/IP soon) ! I'm the one who started this thread a while back & I can tell you that I would want it. What I need to do is to be able to run an old CP/M c-compiler under unix. I'm sure that the only "bdos" calls the compiler makes is for sequential disk reads/writes, and console writes. None of the "raw" termio, printer, etc, stuff is needed. In fact, none of the "ccp" & "bdos" & etc is needed, just a way to handle the dozen or so common system calls & to get the program running. No reason to use the digital research bdos -- just translate the "read sequential" into a unix read, etc. Besides, who would want to use the "ccp" commands anyway? All it does is parse the command line (let /bin/sh do that), setup the base page (no big deal), implement "era" & friends (who would want them) & print "BAD LOAD" (extra credit for knowing why!). I think that a z80 emulator would be a long way to getting a working emulator. Kent -- Kent Hauser UUCP: {uunet, sun!sundc}!tfd!kent Twenty-First Designs INET: kent@tfd.uu.net (202) 408-0841 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 03:00:15 EDT From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough) Subject: Z80 Users Manual bugs Message-ID: wayne.hortensiu@canremote.uucp says: > I say: >> I then dug out "The gospel according to Carr" (The Z80 user's manual, >> by Joseph Carr, ISBN 0-8359-9516-X ) - It has the following table for >> what happens in a DAA. > > I'd be *REAL* careful about relying on the Carr book for much of > anything - *ESPECIALLY* the DAA instruction. I got bit by one of the > many, many typos and just plain errors in this book once upon a time, > and it took me a long while to figure out that I wasn't doing anything > wrong - it was the book! I've had my suspicions about the book - it does have it's typos. My own worst complaint is that there is _NO_ reference anywhere to instruction timing: how many T states and how many M cycles does a particular instruction take? Still, that can be taken from Zilog's own Z80 data sheet. I suppose that one day I'll have to write up something for the Z80, based on how the CPU in my system here works ....... one day ..... -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #72 ************************************ 23-Apr-90 12:25:14-MDT,9048;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 12:15:22 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #73 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 23 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 73 Today's Topics: .ZOO type archives Dbase II on a Model IV Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources INFO-CPM Digest V90 #64 Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV Message for Wilker.. Qterm. (2 msgs) ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility) SuperCalc configuration patches wanted What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 23:08 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: .ZOO type archives Message-ID: Is there a program for extracting files from .ZOO type archives for cp/m systems? Or does anyone have information on what the format of .ZOO files is? Thanks in advance. Lance Tagliapietra (ucslct@uwplatt.edu) or (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 23:02 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Dbase II on a Model IV Message-ID: Has anyone gotten Dbase II to work properly on a TRS-80 Model IV using Montezuma Micro CP/M. I have a working copy for my Osborne 1, and the DBINST.COM installation program. The osborne version loads in and runs, but gives a very strange cursor (inverse video m)@(block cursor) and prints this sequence between every character entered. I also have the demonstration program for Dbase II which runs fine (no strange characters). It signs on as version 2.3B DEMONSTRATOR. Also, what is the difference between this version, and the non-demonstrator version, besides that the installation program does not seem to work with it. If you need more info to help me, just ask, any hints would be appreciated. Lance ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 90 21:24:44 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!suned1!efb@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Everett F Batey II) Subject: Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources Message-ID: <4016@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> Have a dedicated Northstar based system. Looking for a source of no longer locally available DS DD 10 RH 5.25 floppies. Used to be we could get 3M. They Double Sided, Dual Density, Ten Sectors per track, Reinforced hub floppies. Thanks for any ideas in the Southwest, chains or reputable mail order houses. /Ev/ -- + efb@suned1.nswses.Navy.MIL efb@elroy.JPL.Nasa.Gov efb@voodoo.bitnet + + efb@suned1.UUCP | Gold Coast Sun Users | Vta-SB-SLO DECUS | WA6CRE + + Statements, Opinions, MINE, NOT Uncle Sam_s | News Postmaster DNS guy + ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 11:56 EDT From: "Bill Weinel" Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #64 Can anyone tell me if there is a compilation of the SIMTEL CP/M file directories available for file request? Many thanks in advance.. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 01:12 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone written an interrupt driven overlay for IMP, ZMODEM, or KERMIT. I am having troubles loosing characters while in terminal mode of these programs. File transfers are not a problem, though. Has anyone else had this problem? I band-aid fix I have found is to have the host insert two nulls after every line feed. I would like a better cure for the problem, though. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Lance Tagliapietra (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet) or (ucslct@uwplatt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 11:32 EDT From: Brainwave Surfer Subject: Message for Wilker.. Dear infocpmer's, this messages bounced, so I'm stuffing it into the net... >To: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu Dear Clarence Wilker, Sorry it took so long, but I've found that adding hard disks to a VT180 would be about 500 dollars... Will save up for a 386 instead!! If you want sources and supplies to do it, mail me back and I'll send them. It is doable, though, and if you want to keep a cp/m system running, there is quite a LOT of stuff still availiable out there.. Jim agnew, AGNEW@VCUVAX.BITNET End of line. -- NCP, "Tron" ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 90 04:27:56 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Qterm. Message-ID: <674@tharr.UUCP> In article <5876.262db74e@vax1.tcd.ie> jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (Manic Minstrel.) writes: > >I wonder could someone post me a copy of QTERM41E.LBR that appears on >TRICKLE? > >The reason I'm asking is that I have tried to get it five times, and >it seems that it doesn't want to fetch it for me :-( I have been having similar problems myself. I have reported this to the TRICKLE operators. Let's hope something comes out of it. BTW. Could anyone who has it mail it to me too? -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. pm111@uucp.tharr INTERNET: pm111%uucp.tharr@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 90 13:04:14 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (Manic Minstrel.) Subject: Qterm. Message-ID: <5876.262db74e@vax1.tcd.ie> I wonder could someone post me a copy of QTERM41E.LBR that appears on TRICKLE? The reason I'm asking is that I have tried to get it five times, and it seems that it doesn't want to fetch it for me :-( Thanks in advance. J. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 90 19:40:26 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!frip!andrew@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Klossner) Subject: ST506 (was Re: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility) Message-ID: <6846@orca.wv.tek.com> [] "the ST506 is a 5meg unbuffered seek segate HD." Perhaps, but the term ST506 has also become associated with a particular design of hard disk interface controller. For example, in my Tektronix 6130 workstation, the motherboard includes an "ST506 controller" which talks to a Maxtor 80MB disk drive. -=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) [UUCP] (andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA] ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 90 18:20:05 GMT From: capmkt!bandy@apple.com (Guru Drew) Subject: SuperCalc configuration patches wanted Message-ID: <437@capmkt.COM> One of the goodies I got with my Osborne-1 when I bought it ..er.. a couple of months after I had taken receipt of it was a copy of SuperCalc. Well, the old gal isn't what she used to be, so I'd like to run my copy of SuperCalc on my S-100 hardware using an AAA terminal. Does anyone have configuration patches for SuperCalc so I can run it on any old terminal? The configuration program that came with it [SINSTALL] would only change the terminal size, printer size and printer initialization string... Anta^udankon, Andy Beals +1 415 540 6400 bandy@capmkt.com bandy@mica.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 17:34 HST From: Ralph Becker-Szendy Subject: What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive Hi The subject line says it all: A Shugart 800 8" drive contains exactly one transistor, close to the left rear corner. It is marked S-PN2222A. Unfortunately, the one in my drive was sheared off, no hope of ever getting it soldered back on. Question: What type is this transistor, expressed in a more normal part number ? What 2Nxxxx can I use instead of it ??? Please no exotic types, getting hardware out here in the middle of the Pacific is pretty hard. Thanks so much Ralph Becker-Szendy UHHEPB=24730::RALPH (HEPNet,SPAN) University of Hawaii RALPH@UHHEPG.PHYS.HAWAII.EDU High Energy Physics Group RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET Watanabe Hall #203, 2505 Correa Road, Honolulu, HI 96822 (808)948-7391 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #73 ************************************ 24-Apr-90 11:37:21-MDT,9894;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 11:15:22 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #74 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 24 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 74 Today's Topics: CPM/Kaypro 4 Software wanted Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources Osborne Executive Qterm. REQUEST: BIOS jump table Strange machine Trenton Computer Festival summary? What is a Northstar Horizon Worth?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Apr 90 21:05:58 GMT From: motcid!svec@uunet.uu.net (Larry Svec) Subject: CPM/Kaypro 4 Software wanted Message-ID: <2501@feldspar2.UUCP> I recently acquired an old KAYPRO 4. I only got a copy of WORDSTAR with it and am looking to get more software for it. Anything would be appreciated (Editor, Communications pkg, games etc). Would anyone in 'netland' be willing to provide some if I provide a SASE and disk(s)? Are there any other BBSs or places I can get CPM Software that would work on it? It is stock equipment with 2 5" disk drives. work: 708-632-5259 home: 708-526-1256 Thankyou, Larry Svec -- Larry Svec - KD9OF ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 90 16:01:07 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!copper!michaelk@uunet.uu.net (Michael D. Kersenbrock) Subject: Cromemco WDI-II HDC Compatibility Message-ID: <2306@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> "Jim is asking about a disk controller that uses the ST-506 INTERFACE, not about an ST-506 disk drive! You may be a stickler for correct part numbers, but when you decide to flame someone, PLEASE understand what that person is talking about. There are 4 common disk drive interfaces today, ESDI, IDE, SCSI, and ST-506 (also called MFM, also called ST412, etc, etc, etc)." My understanding is that the ST412 is a buffered seek version of ST-506 which is why many controllers or disks may say ST506/ST412. Most, if not all, drives that called "ST506 interface" are really ST412 ones, but are called ST506 for historical reasons. Also, a drive with a ST506/ST412 interface can be running RLL encoding as well (the drive itself really can't tell if it's RLL or MFM, only it's controller knows for sure). Dang young whippersnappers! Don't know computer history! I remember when I used to walk twenty bytes to school everyday, through chad-snow twenty inches deep! ..... :-) -- Mike Kersenbrock Tektronix Microprocessor Development Products michaelk@copper.WR.TEK.COM Aloha, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 90 15:01:54 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources Message-ID: <55181@bbn.COM> In article <4016@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> efb@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Everett F Batey II) writes: >Have a dedicated Northstar based system. Looking for a source of no >longer locally available DS DD 10 RH 5.25 floppies. Used to be we >could get 3M. They Double Sided, Dual Density, Ten Sectors per track, >Reinforced hub floppies. Thanks for any ideas in the Southwest, chains >or reputable mail order houses. /Ev/ The last time I bought hard-sector diskettes for the Horizon, I got them from Inmac. Inmac is a large supplier that focuses on corporate computer users, but also deals with provate individuals. They are not a discount house, but their prices are OK. They listed their private-label 10-sector floppies at $1.69 each, this time last year. The prices drops to $1.39 in quantites of 60 or more. They have local offices in LA and San Diego (you said "Southwest", but I believe JPL is SoCal). Phone numbers for Inmac: Catalog (US) 800-826-8180 Catalog (CA) 800-722-0085 LA sales 213-852-0973 San Diego sales 619-266-2144 Sunnyvale sales 408-737-7777 Tempe, AZ sales 602-438-0500 If you don't find any other suppliers, these guys will have them. Good luck. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 90 02:42:30 GMT From: peregrine!ccicpg!cci632!rit!ultb!clf3678@uunet.uu.net (C.L. Freemesser) Subject: Osborne Executive Message-ID: <2871@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Howdy folks. I recently picked up an Osborne Executive, and am looking for all the info I can find on it. It's in great condition, and has 2 DD drives. Basically, I'd like to find some sort of terminal program so I can download programs for it from GEnie on my Atari ST, and transfer them over. I got quite a few manuals, but didn't get anything that actually teaches how to use the thing. It looks quite interesting and I'd like to start messing around with it. Any help is greatly appreciated. Chris Freemesser, Rochester Institute of Technology ( THE ACORN BBS ||| BITNET: clf3678@ritvax ) (716)436-3078 ||| Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.isc.edu ( 2400 baud/42 megs / | \ GEnie: C.FREEMESSER ) full Atari support ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 1990 17:38 MDT From: "Frank J. Wancho" Subject: Qterm. Message-ID: If the LISTSERV/TRICKLE servers can't get a particular file from us, it's highly likely that a newer version became available. That is the case with QTERM, which is now QTERM42G.LBR in PD2:. Best to get a fresh directory listing first before complaining, and best to complain to one of us if the file disappeared rather than a new version taking its place. --Frank ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 90 06:58:09 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Nick Sayer) Subject: REQUEST: BIOS jump table Message-ID: <5299@quack.UUCP> It's time for me to start writing the BIOS for my CP/M emulator. (Not all the bugs in the Z-80 are gone, but the alpha-testing is showing fruit, so to speak). Could someone please pass along the layout of the BIOS jump table? Specifically, entry and exit conditions, effect(s), and in the case of cold and warm boots, where to jump to on completion (I presume a cold boot terminates by falling into the warm boot, and that the warm boot terminates by calling BDOS 13, reading in the CCP and jumping to the first byte of the CCP, but I'm not sure). Thanks in advance. -- Nick Sayer - The Duck Pond public unix - 209-952-5347 (Telebit) ---------------------------------+--------------------------------- quack!mrapple@uop.edu ! Disclaimer: ...pacbell!sactoh0!quack!mrapple ! "I ain't gonna touch it, but the N6QQQ (145.75 - TCP/IP soon) ! title alone gets two snaps up." ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 90 01:12:14 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@apple.com (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: Strange machine Message-ID: <29247@cup.portal.com> Recently recived a slighty strange machine, and wanted to get some input on it. Its not a bad machine, but a little odd, and in being odd, may be hard to do certian things... First off, its called a DE-100 Disk Emulator, from Design Analysis Associates. Theres two ports on the back: console, and remote. Both are RS-232C. The console is at 9600 right now, and remote is 2400. On the front is where the bizzare stuff comes into play. First, its got a 700k DSDD 3.5" disk. the front panel has a bunch of ports: a floppy connector (standard 5.25" not 8"), and a whole array of LEDs that match each line on a floppy connector (track 00, select, etc) Then theres five other ports for hard drives (5.25"): one address buss, and four data buss connectors, and the same LED array. Inside is a card cage, mounted on a hinge, with about 10 cards. The CPU is a Z80A (or it may be an H). It runs CP/M 2.2, comes up with 62k RAM, and runs ZCPR2 and ZCPR 3.4 just fine, it even has a version of MDM and its associated overlay. It also as a RAM drive at C: with about 189k. Also included is the disk emulator software, which of course I have no idea how to use! One thing, somewhere along the line I ran a program called MEMTEST, which does some insane diags (takes 41 minutes to complete!) It states 'STD-buss 256k'. I seem to remember STD-buss from somewhere, but cant place it.. Anyone? The machine was basiclly free (part of a trade deal. But since I dont have a personal CP/M machine, its the best I got. A Xerox 820-II is running a BBS, so I cant use that...) Billy D'Augustine Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 90 21:30:17 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!curtis@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Curtis R. Anderson) Subject: Trenton Computer Festival summary? Message-ID: <22777@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> Can some attendee of the festival provide some kind of summary for those of us who missed going? --Curtis ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 90 18:50:53 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!upvax!dave@uunet.uu.net (David Taylor) Subject: What is a Northstar Horizon Worth?? Message-ID: <1078@upvax.UUCP> Could someone give me an idea of the value of a NorthStar Horizon that has four user modules two floppy drives and a large external hard drive. Thanks Dave dave@upvax.UUCP ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #74 ************************************ 26-Apr-90 03:23:01-MDT,10862;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 03:15:21 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #75 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 26 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 75 Today's Topics: 8" drives and BBSes (3 msgs) Comm Program for a Morrow MD-3 Qterm. QX-10 tech info (2 msgs) Strange machine What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive (2 msgs) Z80 Users Manual bugs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Apr 90 13:39:18 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!nuchat!sugar!ficc!peter@ucsd.edu (Peter da Silva) Subject: 8" drives and BBSes Message-ID: Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think with the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with disks wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing reasons not to run a BBS? -- _--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. / \ 'U` Have you hugged your wolf today? \_.--._/ v Disclaimer: People have opinions, organisations have policy. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 90 00:26:16 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!compata@apple.com (David H Close) Subject: 8" drives and BBSes Message-ID: <29312@cup.portal.com> Peter da Silva writes: " Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think wit h " the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with disk s " wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing reasons no t " to run a BBS? Back around 1978 I was involved in a project to build a 3270 cluster emulator with local processing. Disk storage was up to 4 8" floppies. One day, when the system stopped responding, we checked the cabinet. One door wouldn't open. When we finally pried it open, we extracted the diskette jacket but a large arc of the vinyl inside was missing. It had been chewed off and pulled out through the r/w slot. The jack was UNdamaged! So, yes, drives that run constantly are a real problem. But not all 8" drives run constantly. The Tandon 848 doesn't, amoung others. Dave Close, Compata, Arlington, Texas compata@cup.portal.com compata@mcimail.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 90 15:16:03 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!crdgw1!ge-dab!tarpit!bilver!bill@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bill Vermillion) Subject: 8" drives and BBSes Message-ID: <688@bilver.UUCP> In article peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think with >the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with disks >wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing reasons not >to run a BBS? Several of my friends used to do that. There are a couple of things to note. If you are using the old style full height drives, with AC motors, the system do run a lot. I ran an 8" 24 hour per day for a couple of years. What happens is the bearing clamping rings go first. There have been kits designed to power off the AC motors, and only fire up when data is accessed. Seem to work quite well. You'd probably have to home brew your own. There was circuit diagram published YEARS ago in one of the CMP oriented magazines, if I remember correctly. If you are using one of the newer 8" drives, eg Shugart 860, or the Tandon 82x series, they are DC drive. Early models were belt drive, later direct driven. They power up the motor on data access, as an option, and drives run only when you need them. The ONLY thing you need to do on those type systems is install a delay so that the drive is at speed before data is tried or you get "not found" or similar errors. I put away my 8" drives (except on my Max80) a long time ago. bill -- Bill Vermillion - UUCP: uunet!tarpit!bilver!bill : bill@bilver.UUCP ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 90 01:00:22 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!en.ecn.purdue.edu!palermo@purdue.edu (Dan Palermo) Subject: Comm Program for a Morrow MD-3 Message-ID: <1990Apr26.010022.28601@ecn.purdue.edu> Hello all, I am looking for anyone that has a Morrow Designs MD-3. (1 or 2 will also probably fit my search) We have one of these machines and some software we would like to get running, but no communication program to download files to the machine. (even though we have source for a couple on our system) If anyone out there has a copy of kermit-80 or any other public domain comm program for this computer (on disk) please mail me at the below address. I would be interested in somehow obtaining a copy (on disk) so we can get this machine back on its feet. Dan Palermo Thanks, Purdue University Dan Palermo 507 Shreve Hall palermo@ecn.purdue.edu W Lafayette, IN 47906 ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 90 08:54:15 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Qterm. Message-ID: <675@tharr.UUCP> Thanks to all who mailed me QTERM. -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. pm111@uucp.tharr INTERNET: pm111%uucp.tharr@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 16:50 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: QX-10 tech info Hi! I have the techinical manual for Epson QX-10. Nothing on Hard disk, but I can help with floppies. YES!! The US output of the uPD765 is decoded into ALL FOUR drive select signals, something that doesn't always happen with two-drive machines (IBM-PC, especially the Jr.). But, You DO have to modify the bios - actually, it can be modified by an application software, and that's the beauty of it. I think you should talk to Epson and ask for the BIOS listing as well as info on Extended BIOS. (BIOS being NOT the ROM but the CP/M BIOS!!! - that's why it can be modified with an application...) Drop me a line directly, and I'll see what I can do to help you. -John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 16:50 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: QX-10 tech info Hi! I have the techinical manual for Epson QX-10. Nothing on Hard disk, but I can help with floppies. YES!! The US output of the uPD765 is decoded into ALL FOUR drive select signals, something that doesn't always happen with two-drive machines (IBM-PC, especially the Jr.). But, You DO have to modify the bios - actually, it can be modified by an application software, and that's the beauty of it. I think you should talk to Epson and ask for the BIOS listing as well as info on Extended BIOS. (BIOS being NOT the ROM but the CP/M BIOS!!! - that's why it can be modified with an application...) Drop me a line directly, and I'll see what I can do to help you. -John ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 90 20:51:24 GMT From: rochester!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!ttak@rutgers.edu (Timothy Takahashi) Subject: Strange machine Message-ID: <6867@ur-cc.UUCP> In article <29247@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: >First off, its called a DE-100 Disk Emulator, from Design Analysis >Associates. Theres two ports on the back: console, and remote. Both >are RS-232C. The console is at 9600 right now, and remote is 2400. I think it was sold circa 1982 as a diskette duplicator, could read and write zillions of formats then in use. tim ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 90 22:30:43 GMT From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez) Subject: What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive Message-ID: <2487@ariel.unm.edu> In article RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET (Ralph Becker-Szendy) writes: >Hi > >The subject line says it all: A Shugart 800 8" drive contains exactly one >transistor, close to the left rear corner. It is marked S-PN2222A. >Unfortunately, the one in my drive was sheared off, no hope of ever getting it >soldered back on. Question: What type is this transistor, expressed in a more >normal part number ? What 2Nxxxx can I use instead of it ??? Please no exotic >types, getting hardware out here in the middle of the Pacific is pretty hard. That part (According to the Shugart SA800/801 Maintance Manual) is 2N2907A [Excerpt from shematics]: Note #5 - All transitstors are 2N2907A. Hope this helps.... Techs ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 90 01:18:20 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive Message-ID: <2935@sactoh0.UUCP> In article , RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET (Ralph Becker-Szendy) writes: > > The subject line says it all: A Shugart 800 8" drive contains exactly one > transistor, close to the left rear corner. It is marked S-PN2222A. > ? What 2Nxxxx can I use instead of it ??? Please no exotic > types, getting hardware out here in the middle of the Pacific is pretty hard. > The 2Nxxxx equivalent of that is a 2N2222, which is EXTREMELY non-exotic, it's rediculous. That's a very common part, a switching transistor. Just pop on down to your favorite neighborhood RatShack store and snag one, or whatever your favorite electronics parts provider is. > Thanks so much Anytime. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 90 02:54:39 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!clotho!trilo@ucsd.edu (Ross Presser) Subject: Z80 Users Manual bugs Message-ID: <=JZ#13&@rpi.edu> The reference I've always used on the Z80 is "Programming the Z80", by (I think) Rodnay Zaks. It may be out of print. It has a page (sometimes two) for each mnenomic, giving all usable operands, addressing modes, timing, and other information. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #75 ************************************ 28-Apr-90 12:22:42-MDT,9490;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 12:15:12 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #76 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 28 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 76 Today's Topics: 8" drives and BBSes (2 msgs) Decompressing *.?Y? files. Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV (2 msgs) Magazine Questions Qterm. What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Apr 90 17:42:19 GMT From: sumax!quick!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (William Swan) Subject: 8" drives and BBSes Message-ID: <699@flash.UUCP> In article peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think with >the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with disks >wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing reasons not >to run a BBS? I don't know about floppy life while just turning, but you *don't* want to leave the drive spinning with the head loaded. Alspa Computer had a customer who was complaining about short disk life; in several (3?) days of constant operation the disk would wear through. After we spent some time examining the heads of the Tandon drives (which had a manually operated head load mechanism - when the disk is inserted the head is down) and finding no rough spots, I saw on one of the disk boxes a spec of something like 1 million revs life. Well, 1 million revs turns out to be about 2 days of constant use. The guy was just simply wearing out the directory track!! At that discovery we implemented automatic motor on/off control in the BIOS. End of (that) problem. -- Bill Swan bill@Summation.WA.COM Send postal address for info: Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years (or more): Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002. In now: 1 year, 3 months, 0 weeks, 5 days. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 90 19:48:56 GMT From: ssbell!mcmi!unocss!fg041@uunet.uu.net (fg041) Subject: 8" drives and BBSes Message-ID: <2949@unocss.unomaha.edu> hooked up a relay (with solid state relay driver) to one of the unused outputs of one of the UARTS to turn on the motors when a call would come in and to urn them back off when the session ended. It worked fine. Some of the earlier releases of BYE have conditionals for this already in. Good Day! JSW ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 90 07:30:45 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Decompressing *.?Y? files. Message-ID: <684@tharr.UUCP> To uncompress .?Y? files you can use UCRLZH.COM, LT29.COM and others which I don't remember. Compression methods: Q Squeezed : Huffman squeezing Z Crunched : Lempel-Ziv-Welch crunching Y LZH'd : LHARC-type compression. -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. pm111@uucp.tharr INTERNET: pm111%uucp.tharr@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 90 09:53:38 GMT From: oliveb!amdahl!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@apple.com (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV Message-ID: <2951@sactoh0.UUCP> In article <1990Apr26.185653.21233@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umrose05@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dave Rose) writes: > In article UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes: > When I want to to file transferring I use > ZMP. It is a great little program. I agree 100%. I use it for almost all of my downloads from BBSs and my machine-to-machine transfers. I especially like its ease of use, and that it has Zmodem. For my Kermit needs, I use Qterm. Not to forget VT100 and other neat things. > > So unless you can get your system to issue nulls, you're kinda outa luck. > I've tried tons of programs written in cpm, but not one handles it right. > All of them miss the first few characters. Yeah, I know what you're saying about the interrupt thing. I tried to no avail to write an interrupt-driven routine to buffer incoming text for the Apple ][ Plus running a SoftCard, but no dice. But then again, my main reason for BBSing with that machine is getting files. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 90 03:54:07 GMT From: ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!umrose05@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Dave Rose) Subject: Interrupt Driven Serial for TRS80 Model IV Message-ID: <1990Apr28.035407.24043@ccu.umanitoba.ca> In article <2951@sactoh0.UUCP> ianj@sactoh0.UUCP (Ian R. Justman) writes: >I agree 100%. I use it for almost all of my downloads from BBSs >and my machine-to-machine transfers. I especially like its ease of >use, and that it has Zmodem. For my Kermit needs, I use Qterm. >Not to forget VT100 and other neat things. > > > >Yeah, I know what you're saying about the interrupt thing. I tried >to no avail to write an interrupt-driven routine to buffer incoming >text for the Apple ][ Plus running a SoftCard, but no dice. But >then again, my main reason for BBSing with that machine is getting >files. Yea, well as soon as I get the driver programs for my Trs-80 Model 4, I'll be able to get this 15meg hard drive going...Then I'm gonna run a BBS. Dave -- Dave Rose : Local (UnixWS) - UMRose05@CCU.UManitoba.CA P.O. Box 403 : Local (Amdahl) - #Rose05@CCM.UManitoba.CA Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: UUCP Node #005 - drose@trash.UUCP R2M-5H3 : ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 90 16:41:07 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Magazine Questions Message-ID: <55481@bbn.COM> I have some news and questions about magazines that cover CP/M and S-100. I picked up what turns out to be the last issue of MicroCornucopia, this week. MicroC has been referred to by several folks here as one of last places for articles on, and adverisements, of CP/M and S-100 products. As with so many other magazines, their CP/M coverage had dwindled to nothing. Oh well. I looked over my sample copy of Supermicro, which is the magazine that evolved from the S-100 journal. I had written here last year that I thought they weren't worth $6 an issue ($24 a year). I'm having second thoughts, considering that they seem to be the *only* venue remaining for hardware discussion. The issue I received, #2, includes an article on IEEE-696 (S-100) DMA arbitration circuitry, and another on commercially- available SCSI controllers (including Compupro and Lomas S-100). I may give these guys another try. Has anyone seen a more recent issue? Has their publication schedule improved? I've got a subscription to The Computer Journal, which is the magazine that Jay Sage promotes here. I've only received one issue so far, so it's too early to judge. It looks like it would be most useful to a Z-System aficianado. So, I guess it's time for that age-old question. Has anyone encountered any other good magazines? I'm expecially interested in hardware articles, like the stuff that Byte *used* to publish. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 90 07:36:53 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Qterm. Message-ID: <685@tharr.UUCP> In article WANCHO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL ("Frank J. Wancho") writes: >If the LISTSERV/TRICKLE servers can't get a particular file from us, >it's highly likely that a newer version became available. That is the >case with QTERM, which is now QTERM42G.LBR in PD2:. > >Best to get a fresh directory listing first before complaining, and >best to complain to one of us if the file disappeared rather than a >new version taking its place. > >--Frank I think the problem lies in TRICKLE not getting the directories for some of the areas. In one area the 00-INDEX.TXT doesn't match the directory that TRICKLE has. If you request something that is not in TRICKLE's directory, the request is rejected. This seems to be the root of the problem. -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. pm111@uucp.tharr INTERNET: pm111%uucp.tharr@ukc.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 90 19:44:38 GMT From: ssbell!mcmi!unocss!fg041@uunet.uu.net (fg041) Subject: What is the transistor on a Shugart 800 drive Message-ID: <2948@unocss.unomaha.edu> anything similar (2N2222, 2N3904, etc (NPN)) will work. Try your local RS or any electronics distributor. Good Day! JSW ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #76 ************************************ 30-Apr-90 22:26:20-MDT,9583;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 22:15:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #77 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900430221515.V90N77@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 30 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 77 Today's Topics: 10 sector problem 8" drives and BBSes Directory magic. TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more (2 msgs) Thanks, and looking for Infocom (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:06:56 EST From: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: 10 sector problem Message-ID: <9004301906.AA00254@hopf.math.purdue.edu> From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Apr 30 14:04:40 1990 Received: by gauss.math.purdue.edu (4.0/1.13jrs) id AA03202; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:04:32 EST Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:04:32 EST From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable Message-Id: <9004301904.AA03202@gauss.math.purdue.edu> To: Status: R ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Cannot exec '/usr/lib/senduucpmail' errno=2 554 ... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from hopf.math.purdue.edu by gauss.math.purdue.edu (4.0/1.13jrs) id AA03200; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:04:32 EST Received: by hopf.math.purdue.edu (4.0/1.13jrs) id AA00242; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:05:05 EST Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:05:05 EST From: wilker (Clarence Wilkerson) Message-Id: <9004301905.AA00242@hopf.math.purdue.edu> To: suned1!efb Subject: Re: TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more In-Reply-To: your article <4103@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> News-Path: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!purdue!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!suned1!efb Is the program your friend is running under CP/M or NorthSatr operating system. If CP/M I imagine it would run on another CP/M machine or emulator, and the needed files transferred over. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 90 03:24:55 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!mailrus!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!mikes@ucsd.edu (Mike Squires) Subject: 8" drives and BBSes Message-ID: <1990Apr28.032455.1406@NCoast.ORG> In article <1563@mindlink.UUCP> a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes: >> peter@ficc.uu.net writes: >> >> Has anyone got some data on BBSes running on 8" drive machines? I'd think >> with the floppy spinning all the time you'd expect to have a big problem with >> disks wearing out. Is this a real problem in practice, or am I inventing >> reasons not to run a BBS? > >An 8 inch drive loads and unloads the read/write head. Thus, though the disk >is always spinning, the head is only touching the disk when data is being read >or written. The Tandon 848 1/2 height 8" floppy (used in the RS 16/6000 system, among others) can be set to stop running after a period of time. The BIOS has to wait, of course, for the drive to speed up when a head load request comes in. It's been years since I did it, but I had a Tarbell DD controller driving two 848-2's which were very reliable. The same is true of other late design drives, such as the Shugart 860, I believe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:55:18 PDT From: "That was Zen, this is Tao." Subject: Directory magic. Message-ID: <9004300451.AA01845@decpa.pa.dec.com> I want to allocate the first n-blocks of a CP/M disk in sequential order to a file in a standard CP/M directory. What's the easiest way to do this ? [I want some code that writes to the disk itself by physical block number to be able to cohabit with well-behaved things who use BDOS the way they're supposed to on the same disk.] rcs ------------------------------ Date: 30 Apr 90 08:26:05 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!suned1!efb@ucsd.edu (Everett Batey) Subject: TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more Message-ID: <4103@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> Thank you all for the responses .. for commercial suppliers of Hard Sectored ( North Star ) 10 per track ( DS DD , 5.25 inch ) floppies, unless someone at 3M has a a big hidden stack .. seems that the pri- mary vendors have departed from that business.. My friend has a very costy medical analysis system that depends currently on the above. Is there some obvious fix like a FD upgrade for this one board host that allows soft sectored floppies to be swapped in .. orthodox fix ??? /Ev/ -- + efb@suned1.nswses.Navy.MIL efb@elroy.JPL.Nasa.Gov efb@voodoo.bitnet + + efb@suned1.UUCP | Gold Coast Sun Users | Vta-SB-SLO DECUS | WA6CRE + + Statements, Opinions, MINE, NOT Uncle Sam_s | News Postmaster DNS guy + ------------------------------ Date: 1 May 90 01:30:28 GMT From: att!cbnewsl!rl@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (roger.h.levy) Subject: TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more Message-ID: <5448@cbnewsl.ATT.COM> In article <4103@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, efb@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Everett Batey) writes: > Thank you all for the responses .. for commercial suppliers of Hard > Sectored ( North Star ) 10 per track ( DS DD , 5.25 inch ) floppies, > unless someone at 3M has a a big hidden stack .. seems that the pri- > mary vendors have departed from that business.. My friend has a very > costy medical analysis system that depends currently on the above. > This month's (May) Computer Shopper has an ad on p. 279 for Midwestern Diskette which has in its bulk disk offerings: 10 & 16 Hard Sectored ................ Call The number to call is (800)221-6332 or in Iowa, (800)332-3035. This company appears to be a moderate cost supplier but I have no knowledge of the company nor am I connected with it in any way. Roger Levy AT&T Bell Labs - Whippany NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 16:35 HST From: Ralph Becker-Szendy Subject: Thanks, and looking for Infocom Hi Thanks to all the people who pointed out that the S-PN2222 transistor in my Shugart 800 is just a regular 2N2222 (if I had half a brain, I should have figured that one out myself). New transistor is in, drive works like a charm. Except I hardly ever use the 8" monsters these days, given two megabyte 5.25" drives. By the way, some people claim that there are zero or many transistors in the Shugart 800 drive, or that they are 2N2907. Well, this one has exactly one transistor. Next question: I seem to remember that INFOCOM wrote the ZORK line of games, and they seem to have existed for cp/m at one point. Question 1: Is that still the case ? If yes, can someone let me know where to contact Infocom ? Question 2: If they are not available from Infocom any more, does any other software distributor carry them, or have they been released to the public domain ? Question 3: Failing the first two questions, does anyone have some old Infocom stuff for cp/m gathering dust, and would like to get rid of it ? Last but not least (I ask this question every year or so, using the Cato vs. Carthago approach): Anyone know whether the MDBS II database software for cp/m can be had anywhere ? Anyone have an old copy they would like to get rid of ? I called MDBS, and even talked to the software developer who wrote it long ago. They claim not to have any copy for cp/m left (not even an archived copy), and were pretty unpolite. I fear that fixing a disk drive is MUCH MUCH easier than tracking down ancient software. But thanks in advance for any help, anyhow. Ralph Becker-Szendy UHHEPB=24730::RALPH (HEPNet,SPAN) University of Hawaii RALPH@UHHEPG.PHYS.HAWAII.EDU High Energy Physics Group RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET Watanabe Hall #203, 2505 Correa Road, Honolulu, HI 96822 (808)948-7391 ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 90 17:07:17 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@uunet.uu.net (Curt Sampson) Subject: Thanks, and looking for Infocom Message-ID: <1585@mindlink.UUCP> I bought an Infocom product for the IBM a year or two ago, and I got their little "Passport" (actually a catalog) with it. It claims that they sell the following products on 8" disk for CP/M: Zork I, II, and III Enchanter Sorcerer Witness Planetfall Deadline Starcross Suspended Infidel Seastalker They sell all of the above except Seastalker in DEC Rainbow CP/M format. Most of these are available in Osborne format as well. And then we get to Kaypro format. It had all of the above plus: Wishbringer Spellbreaker Suspect Hitchhiker Cutthroats. The 4-in-1 sampler The prices on all of the above are $14.95 except for the sampler, which is $4.95. Of course, this is all old information. The brochure says to call 1-800-262-6868 for the latest pricing and availability. Their address is: INFOCOM P.O. Box 478 Cresskill, N.J., 07626 I hope that this helps. -cjs ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #77 ************************************