1-Jul-90 07:59:03-MDT,6759;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 1-Jul-90 07:47:34 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 90 07:47:34 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #111 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900701074734.V90N111@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 1 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 111 Today's Topics: cp/m to ibm Looking for Amstrad Computer UZI for Z80 Various answers to various questions... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Jun 90 10:55:13 MDT From: Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AD Subject: cp/m to ibm Since several people seem to be interested, I will review the ways I know of to transfer files between cp/m disks and ibm disks. 1. UNIFORM and MEDIA MASTER are commercial programs which run on ibm's and read or write most cp/m formats. 2. A public domain program called RDMS will read ibm disks on a cp/m machine. I know there is a C128 version available on Simtel, GEnie, etc. 3. A good way to transfer stuff on a C128 is to use ibm cp/m86 disk format. That is one of the formats which the 128 understands by default (both the single sided and double sided forms are supported). A lot of ibm compatibles have a utility which will read and write cpm86 disks. I know the Zenith at's which the government buys has such a utility. Hope that is helpful. I have used method 3 extensively, and find it to be the easiest. Also on the C128, Big Blue Reader is a program (commercial) which runs in 128 mode and will convert files from ibm, cp/m, and commodore 5.25 and 3.5 disks. It has the ability to read and write to any of those forms (although the only cp/m formats supported are the native commodore (GCR) formats). ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 90 17:42:14 GMT From: zeus1.Eng.Sun.COM!weisblat@sun.com (Robert M. Weisblatt) Subject: Looking for Amstrad Computer Message-ID: <138112@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> A friend of mine who works for CA state gov't needs an Amstrad PCW 9512. Frankly I'm not at all sure exactly was this beast is, the way he described its features the 9512 sounds like a dedicated word processor machine. However, he called it a CPM computer. Any help would be most appreciated. I know now that the Amstrad is an English computer and is still available. If I could get a line on a used one that would be great. Thanks for any help you can give. Bob Weisblatt weisblat@sun.COM ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 90 03:09:58 GMT From: sci34hub!cdthq!gary@uunet.uu.net (gary) Subject: UZI for Z80 Message-ID: slayden@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (James B. Slayden) writes: > the same? The Z88 runs off the Z80 processor with their own OS called OZ. I believe the Z88 uses an Intel 8088 cpu, rather than the Zilog Z80. The ZX-80 was a Z80 machine, though. Gary Heston, at home.... ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 90 12:48:34 GMT From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Various answers to various questions... Message-ID: <5804@balu.UUCP> This is about several themes of the last ~50 messages. 1. WordStar with HP-LJ I think it's not that hard installing the HPLJ to WordStar 3.3. However, you can use only about 5% of the printer's features. Ever thought of WS 4.0? With that, HPLJ is fully supported (including proportional spacing, various fonts and so on), and many new functions are added. WS 4.0 for CP/M behaves exactly like WS 4.0 for MSDOS, if you know. I'm using WS 4.0 myself, and I wouldn't miss it anymore. 2. CP/M to DOS conversion Seems to me that there was someone who wanted to *run* DOS programs (or even DOS O.S.) under CP/M. That is *impossible* anyway 'cause of different object codes. The only thing you can do is *transfer* any kind of data (usually source code) between the two. For that, there are some transfer programs available. 22DISK was mentioned; I prefer using my own program (published in c't mag in 1987). These programs just copy files from CP/M to a DOS disk with respect to the different disk format and organization. 3. CP/M 3.0 Tools and Utilities Every program written for CP/M 2.2 will also run with CP/M 3.0, as long as it doesn't use direct BIOS calls (which are handled very different). For those applications where this is impossible (i.e. Disk Utilities), there are CP/M 3 versions (or universal versions) available everywhere (or no need for!). Concerning data file transfer between CP/M and MSDOS versions of the same program, there are slight differences. For example, with WS-CP/M special characters are stored directly, while with DOS-WS they are embedded in 1Bh and 1Ch (or 9B/1C when soft-formatted). So you need an additional format translator for transferring WS documents between CP/M and DOS. Don't know if there are this kind of differences in file format of the other programs that were mentioned. 4. Printing with PIP Susie Keim was writing that the machine messages 'not enough memory' when trying to copy a file to the printer with PIP. I never knew that PIP contained such a message, so I guess the system was outputting it. That could be the result of a damaged (or just too large) PIP.COM file. It should be about 8k. Please check out *who* is messaging there (system or PIP), which should be distinguishable by 'before/during/after' loading PIP. 5. WordStar to ASCII There is a point in the 'printing menu' at which you can choose 'print to disk'. That's exactly what you are looking for. This relates to WS 3.x. When using WS 4.0, there's a special printer driver named 'ASCII' which does the same. 6. WordStar Menu delays There are three delay times in the patch area of WS (all versions). One of them is that for the menues to remain onscreen. At least you could minimize this value, which would result in the signons beeing displayed one after another. BTW ever thought of WS 3.0, 3.1 or 4.0 ? Version 3.3 is the only one with that screen-filling signon... Tilmann +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! tilmann@cosmo.uucp ! Seven eights of EVERYTHING can't be seen. ! ! Tilmann Reh, D-5900 Siegen ! (Marshals generalized Iceberg Theorem) ! +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #111 ************************************* 3-Jul-90 10:27:57-MDT,10297;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 90 10:15:07 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #112 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900703101508.V90N112@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 3 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 112 Today's Topics: "Re: UZI for Z80" cp/m to ibm MS-DOS Emulator V2 coming soon - Info on DPHs and DPBs needed Wordstar to Ascii. (2 msgs) Wordstart opening screens ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Jul 90 12:37:41 EDT From: eichin@apollo.com Subject: "Re: UZI for Z80" Message-ID: <9007021634.AA12813@xuucp.ch.apollo.com> In-reply-to: Gary Mcgurin's message of 30 Jun 90 03:09:58 GMT, >slayden@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (James B. Slayden) writes: >> the same? The Z88 runs off the Z80 processor with their own OS called OZ. > >I believe the Z88 uses an Intel 8088 cpu, rather than the Zilog Z80. >The ZX-80 was a Z80 machine, though. > >Gary Heston, at home.... Gary, don't spread such vile rumours :-) James Slayden was correct, the Z88 has a Z80. (I have one right here in my backpack...) Clocked at around 3.5Mhz, as I recall. OZ is actually an "operating system", rather than a control program, though I have a few ideas on how to write a bdos/bios emulator for it to convert those calls to the equivalent OZ functions. (If you'd be interested in such a thing, let me know.) OZ is multitasking, handles memory banking and management, has a hierarchical file system, named device drivers, as well as floating point and long integer functions. There is a complete reference manual (several hundred pages.) I've never tried UZI, but it could probably be made to work in a Z88 with lots of memory (they have 1Meg cards now, and you can use two or maybe three of them at once [and still run on 4 AA batteries :-)]) _Mark_ ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 90 21:44:53 GMT From: wa3wbu!compnect!dave@uunet.uu.net (Dave Ratcliffe) Subject: cp/m to ibm Message-ID: <679@compnect.UUCP> In article <9007010702.AA05068@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, rcarter@WSMR-EMH16.ARMY.MIL (Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AD) writes: > Since several people seem to be interested, I will review the ways I know of > to transfer files between cp/m disks and ibm disks. > > 1. UNIFORM and MEDIA MASTER are commercial programs which run on ibm's and > read or write most cp/m formats. This is what I've been using for several years. Easiest to do and I have a a disk I use just for this purpose. Write to it on the PC, put it in the Molecular, PIP the files off of it and DEL *.* then back to the PC for the next load. Since it's very configurable, you don't have to worry about how many drives you have, hard OR floppy. > 2. A public domain program called RDMS will read ibm disks on a cp/m machine. > I know there is a C128 version available on Simtel, GEnie, etc. I've looked around for something like this that will work on the Mole with no success. *>> Dave <<* [------: Dave Ratcliffe :--------:-: 2832 Croyden Rd. Harrisburg Pa. 17104 :-] : dave@compnect.uucp -or- : The Data Factory BBS : : uunet!wa3wbu!compnect!dave -or-: Data: (717)657-4997 - (717)657-4992 : : compnect!dave@uunet.UU.NET :...........................................] [........use what works..........] ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 90 12:31:28 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!dkuug!iddth!ns@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (ns) Subject: MS-DOS Emulator V2 coming soon - Info on DPHs and DPBs needed Message-ID: <2289@iddth.UUCP> MS-DOS Emulator V2 MS-DOS Emulator's V1.03 (demo/test) is to be followed by the full-featured V2 soon (I hope at the end of July - the work has been seriously delayed due to moving into a new house and the hard work related to that). A demo/test version will be posted on the net as soon as it will work. I intend to distribute the V2 as shareware, since it required some 6 months of work (mainly on evenings and during weekends - the temporary abandon of the work after V1.03 is not included). For making the emulator as much machine- and CP/M version-independent as possible, I would be very glad to get information on the format of Disk Parameters Blocks (DPBs) and Disk Parameters Headers (DPHs) used on different systems. My machine is a Commodore 128 with CP/M Plus. The only requirements to a system for running the MS-DOS Emulator are (1) to be able to read MFM diskettes with 40 tracks and 512-byte sectors and (2) to do no translation of the sector and track numbers. The second condition is not observed by some CP/M Plus systems (Commodore 128 is among them) and this is the reason of my request for information on DPBs and DPHs. Any BIOS sources (if not copyrighted) are also wellcomed. The MS-DOS Emulator V1.03 is a demo/test version running only on Commodore 128. The emulator allows the user to handle files on MS-DOS diskettes directly with CP/M's commands and programs. It makes, actually, the CP/M to recognize the MS-DOS format. The MS-DOS formats supported depends only on the possibilities of a certain system to read/write the MS-DOS diskettes. Long Haired Nicky -- | Nicky Sandru (alias Long Haired Nicky) | Backpacker's First Law: | Hoje Topholm 37 | e-mail: | "The thing you need lies either | DK-3390 Hundested | ns@iddth.id.dk | in the bottom of your backpack, | Denmark | ns@iddth2.id.dk | or in a closet at your home..." -- | Nicky Sandru (alias Long Haired Nicky) | Backpacker's First Law: | Hoje Topholm 37 | e-mail: | "The thing you need lies either | DK-3390 Hundested | ns@iddth.id.dk | in the bottom of your backpack, | Denmark | ns@iddth2.id.dk | or in a closet at your home..." ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 90 17:18:25 GMT From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!was@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Bill Stubblebine) Subject: Wordstar to Ascii. Message-ID: <8190002@hp-lsd.COS.HP.COM> cczdvh@clan.nott.ac.uk (David Valentine-Hagart): > I am new to Wordstar 3.3 and just wondered if there was anything in > Wordstar itself to save files as plain ascii text without the control > codes. Use the print (P) option from the main menu. One of the choices is "Print to file?". Answer yes to this option and Wordstar will send a formatted version of the text to the indicated file. Keep in mind that any printer codes associated with text enhancements (bold, underline, etc.) will be included in the text written to the disk file. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 90 10:50:31 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!dkuug!iddth!ns@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (ns) Subject: Wordstar to Ascii. Message-ID: <2286@iddth.UUCP> In <8190002@hp-lsd.COS.HP.COM> was@hp-lsd.COS.HP.COM (Bill Stubblebine) writes: >cczdvh@clan.nott.ac.uk (David Valentine-Hagart): >> I am new to Wordstar 3.3 and just wondered if there was anything in >> Wordstar itself to save files as plain ascii text without the control >> codes. > Use the print (P) option from the main menu. One of the > choices is "Print to file?". Answer yes to this option and > Wordstar will send a formatted version of the text to the > indicated file. Keep in mind that any printer codes > associated with text enhancements (bold, underline, etc.) > will be included in the text written to the disk file. I have used this method and I stumbled on a little problem: many characters have bit 7 set to 1. It causes some troubles when converting files to other formats or when printing them out on some types of printers. I currently copy files to MS-DOS and Commodore 128 formats. The solution: copy the file resulting from WordStar's "P" command with the PIP utility, using the "z" option - it zeroes bit 7. The command line should look like: PIP newfile=oldfile[Z] PIP can be run from WordStar by using the "R" command. Happy hacking, -- | Nicky Sandru (alias Long Haired Nicky) | Backpacker's First Law: | Hoje Topholm 37 | e-mail: | "The thing you need lies either | DK-3390 Hundested | ns@iddth.id.dk | in the bottom of your backpack, | Denmark | ns@iddth2.id.dk | or in a closet at your home..." -- | Nicky Sandru (alias Long Haired Nicky) | Backpacker's First Law: | Hoje Topholm 37 | e-mail: | "The thing you need lies either | DK-3390 Hundested | ns@iddth.id.dk | in the bottom of your backpack, | Denmark | ns@iddth2.id.dk | or in a closet at your home..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 90 20:41:53 PDT From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Wordstart opening screens Message-ID: <0093916687B2CC40.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> The easiest way to speed the start up of CP/M WS 3.3 is to use DDT to put a NOP just after the start of the screen data, which is near the front of the ws.com file (I think the file's right - I know its near the front). I found the right place pretty quickly, but it was a few years ago. I also wrote an overlay to patch WS 3.3 with MLOAD, once and for all. If anyone wants a copy, email me and I'll try to dig it out. Basically (well, assembler, actually...) a list of all the patch points I could dig out of miscellaneous sources. Good luck - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #112 ************************************* 5-Jul-90 05:58:52-MDT,3626;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 5-Jul-90 05:49:53 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 90 05:49:52 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #113 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900705054953.V90N113@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 5 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 113 Today's Topics: Games?? Single Density Osborne to MS-Dos [??] Format UZI for Z80 (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 90 16:29 EDT From: Brainwave Surfer Subject: Games?? Dear INFO-CPMers, The title says it all! I've looked all over SIMTEL for games and find little. I'd like a basic language submarine warfare simulation, or at least some sites that carry games that I can FTP or ask for.. Or some astronomy software!! or a simulator that i can play RED STORM RISING on a cpm machine!!! (snicker) Ain't i cheap? /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew AGNEW@VCURUBY.BITNET, / > || Neurosurgery, AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU This tape will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, Va five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 90 19:29:06 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!helios!mcguire@ucsd.edu (Tim McGuire) Subject: Single Density Osborne to MS-Dos [??] Format Message-ID: <6320@helios.TAMU.EDU> A few years ago I was using an Osborne I and then graduated to an Osborne Executive (it came w/ UCSD Pascal). I (reluctantly) moved all my computing to MS-Dos about 4 years back. Well, this isn't alt.folklore.computers, so on to my question: I recently needed to access some of my data from my Osborne I days, and found (actually remembered) that Media Master and Uniform will not read single density disks. I presume that this is a hardware limitation of the *BM drive. Can anyone give me any info on how to read my ancient manuscripts? Tim McGuire mcguire@cs.tamu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 90 17:42:37 GMT From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh) Subject: UZI for Z80 Message-ID: <5813@balu.UUCP> gary@cdthq (gary) writes: > I believe the Z88 uses an Intel 8088 cpu, rather than the Zilog Z80. Sorry, Gary, but *believing* is NOT *knowing*! The Z88 indeed is a Z80 machine. Sorry, James, but I do not know any software for the Z88, nor a way to get CP/M or CP/M programs to run on it. Tilmann ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 90 17:56:06 GMT From: dev!dgis!tswenson@uunet.uu.net (Timothy Swenson) Subject: UZI for Z80 Message-ID: <911@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> >> the same? The Z88 runs off the Z80 processor with their own OS called OZ. >I believe the Z88 uses an Intel 8088 cpu, rather than the Zilog Z80. >The ZX-80 was a Z80 machine, though. >Gary Heston, at home.... Bzzzzzzztt, Sorry, no stove, no cigar. The Z88 uses a Z80. Sir Clive wanted the QL to have a Z80, but his engineers wanted the sporty 68008. With the Z88, he went back to the reliable Z80. The original poster was right in that respect. But the OS is not called OZ, it is called PipeDream. Tim Swenson Newsletter Editor, Capital Area Timex/Sinclair User Group ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #113 ************************************* 6-Jul-90 16:27:00-MDT,7519;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 6-Jul-90 16:17:34 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 90 16:17:33 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #114 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900706161734.V90N114@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 6 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 114 Today's Topics: "Re: UZI for Z80" SD osborne to MS-DOS transfer VT-10x emulator ? Wordstar to Ascii. Working with MS-DOS Disks Under CP/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 90 12:25:08 EDT From: eichin@apollo.com Subject: "Re: UZI for Z80" Message-ID: <9007051628.AA01635@xuucp.ch.apollo.com> In-reply-to: Timothy Swenson's message of 3 Jul 90 17:56:06 GMT, <911@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Date: 3 Jul 90 17:56:06 GMT From: dev!dgis!tswenson@uunet.uu.net (Timothy Swenson) >> the same? The Z88 runs off the Z80 processor with their own OS called OZ. >I believe the Z88 uses an Intel 8088 cpu, rather than the Zilog Z80. >The ZX-80 was a Z80 machine, though. >Gary Heston, at home.... Bzzzzzzztt, Sorry, no stove, no cigar. The Z88 uses a Z80. Sir Clive wanted the QL to have a Z80, but his engineers wanted the sporty 68008. With the Z88, he went back to the reliable Z80. The original poster was right in that respect. But the OS is not called OZ, it is called PipeDream. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tim Swenson Newsletter Editor, Capital Area Timex/Sinclair User Group To respond in kind: "Bzzzzzzztt, Sorry, no stove, no cigar"... :-) PipeDream is the editor (a cross between WordStar and VisiCalc... I'm not kidding, ^PB for boldface, a number of other similarities...) OZ is the operating system and task manager. {Authority: I have the Z88 and the developers manual, and have written some assembly code on the beast.} _Mark_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 90 14:03:55 GMT From: Christopher Currie (IHR) Subject: SD osborne to MS-DOS transfer Message-ID: Tim Maguire writes: >A few years ago I was using an Osborne I and then graduated to an >Osborne Executive (it came w/ UCSD Pascal). I (reluctantly) moved all >my computing to MS-Dos about 4 years back. >Well, this isn't alt.folklore.computers, so on to my question: > >I recently needed to access some of my data from my Osborne I days, and >found (actually remembered) that Media Master and Uniform will not read >single density disks. I presume that this is a hardware limitation of >the *BM drive. Can anyone give me any info on how to read my ancient >manuscripts? > According to documentation which came with my TRS-80 emulator for the PC, the problem is with the disk controller, not with the drives. You might be able to find someone with a non-standard controller in his PC which could read the Osborne disks. The Sydex 22disk program states of the Osborne 1 single-density format: This format requires a controller capable of operating in single-density (FM) mode. If you are using a standard PC-style controller, you will most likely NOT be able to handle this format. The MicroSolutions CompatiCard will handle this format, however, and may be used in addition to your normal controller. 22Disk (at least the registered version) handles the following Osborne formats: OSB1 Osborne 1 - SSSD 48 tpi 5.25" OSB2 Osborne 1 - SSDD 48 tpi 5.25" OSB3 Osborne Executive - SSDD 48 tpi 5.25" OSB4 Osborne G2 System - DSDD 48 tpi 5.25" OSB5 Osborne G2 System - DSDD 96 tpi 5.25" OSB6 Osborne 1 + Osmosis - DSDD 96 tpi 5.25" OSB7 Osborne Nuevo - DSDD 48 tpi 5.25" OSB8 Osborne Vixen - DSDD 48 tpi 5.25" OSB9 Osborne Executive w/Z3 - DSDD 96 tpi 5.25" Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 90 21:30:24 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: VT-10x emulator ? Does anybody know of a DEC-VT100 or higher terminal simulation program, preferably with sources ? ( target is CPM/3 Z80 Lobo, memory mapped comm ports, display control very close to SOROC-IQ120, ADM-31 and ADM-3) CPMly yours, Jacques VT-10x are also known as ANSI control sequence terminals. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 90 16:13:51 GMT From: hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!was@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Bill Stubblebine) Subject: Wordstar to Ascii. Message-ID: <8190003@hp-lsd.COS.HP.COM> ns@iddth.UUCP (ns): > I have ... stumbled on a little problem: many characters [in WS disk > formatted output] have bit 7 set to 1. > ... > The solution: copy the file resulting from WordStar's "P" command with > the PIP utility, using the "z" option - it zeroes bit 7. The command > line should look like: > PIP newfile=oldfile[Z] Silly me. I assumed that everyone who uses WS has a copy of the WS survival kit utilities. My favorite is WSDOCON.COM, which converts clear text (no bits 7 set) to *AND* from WS format. This and many other excellent utilities are in the venerable WORDSTAR.LBR collection, available on many BBSs, including Royal Oak and SIMTEL20. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 90 12:06:01 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: Working with MS-DOS Disks Under CP/M I have watched the discussion about moving information between CP/M and MS-DOS diskettes hoping that someone would provide full information. When I saw the recent message from "Long Haired Nicky" I decided I better add my two cents. I do not understand why "Nicky" is working on the project he is, since a superb product already exists. It is DosDisk from Bridger Mitchell's Plu*Perfect Systems. DosDisk runs on a number of machines, including C128s, Kaypros, and Morrows. It allows the CP/M machine to work directly with MS-DOS diskettes using all standard programs. DosDisk even supports DOS subdirectories and time/date stamps. The only useful thing that it cannot do is format diskettes in MS-DOS format. I have never really thought about it, but it is probably limited to the standard 360K DSDD format. Preconfigured versions of DosDisk for a list of about 10 machines cost only $30. For SB180 computers with XBIOS, there is a special version of DosDisk that runs as a BSX and takes up NO TPA! There is a kit version for $45 for those who can write their own overlay drivers. Anyone who wants further information is welcome to contact me. -- Jay Sage Disclaimer: My wife's company sells the whole line of Plu*Perfect Systems software, including DosDisk, and I played a role as an alpha and beta tester in the design of DosDisk (I'm the one who asked for subdirectory support). Since I work on a Compaq 386 at work and an SB180 at home, I use DosDisk all the time. It is the only product that allows me to keep the time/date stamps current across both machines. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #114 ************************************* 9-Jul-90 04:20:58-MDT,8560;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 90 04:15:52 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #115 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900709041555.V90N115@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 9 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 115 Today's Topics: C compiler Need help customizing WS (2 msgs) Pascal compilers Single Density Osborne to MS-Dos [??] Format (2 msgs) VT100 Terminal emulators. Wordstar to Ascii. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Jul 90 22:40:18 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!am.dsir.govt.nz!dsiramd!actrix!Ewen.Mcneill@uunet.uu.net (Ewen Mcneill) Subject: C compiler Message-ID: <1990Jul6.224018.5038@actrix.co.nz> I own an Amstrad CPC6128 which runs CP/M Plus (61K TPA, 180K disks). I can read most other 5.25" CP/M disk formats to import data/programs. I am looking for a C compiler for my machine. Requirements: Moderately fast, Moderately good, Fairly cheap, minimum of K&R standard. Does anyone have any comments, recommendations, or suggestions. Any contact addresses, or prices would be appreciated. I have heard that the Mix C compiler (CP/M version) is quite good, but I don't have a contact address, or a current price. Does anyone else? Please post to the net, or mail suggestions to the address below (the header may be wrong). Thanks in advance, Ewen McNeill. -- --- Ewen McNeill (ewen@actrix.co.nz) ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 90 22:39:42 GMT From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!hprmokg!geh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory Holdren) Subject: Need help customizing WS Message-ID: <30680004@hprmokg.HP.COM> I have some info on WS 3.3 and maybe on 3.0. It'll be awhile before I can dig up the disk that their on, because I am in the process of moving. I'll let you know as soon as I find the disks. Greg Holdren ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 90 15:53:02 GMT From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!hprmokg!wgh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Hooper) Subject: Need help customizing WS Message-ID: <30680003@hprmokg.HP.COM> Help! I need the memory locations and descriptions for customizing Wordstar for my terminal and printer. Posting here or emailing is fine. Please no flames about not having documentation and that kind of stuff as I received the machine for free and just took what was given. I have Wordstar version 3.0. Thanks, Bill Hooper, HP Networked Computer Manufacturing Operation, wgh@hprmo.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That's the problem with crunch heads - they have one great idea that actually works then they expect you to carry on funding them for years while they sit and calculate the topographies of their navels. Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 90 12:50:27 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Pascal compilers Hello CPMers. Encouraged by the warm and very efficient response when I recently asked about VT100 emulation, I dare ask something else now. I have seen in the archive a compiler . Because the files are large, and before I load networks with a request, can any of you tell if this could be the PolyPascal compiler? Does it resemble early versions of CP/M-80 TurboPascal, of the days it still was almost true Pascal? I still use JRT-Pascal, is that pascal-p better? Jacques Goldberg, with two zeroes in phr00jg@technion.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 90 19:43:42 GMT From: pasteur!helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Roger Ivie) Subject: Single Density Osborne to MS-Dos [??] Format Message-ID: <27653@cc.usu.edu> In article <6320@helios.TAMU.EDU>, mcguire@cs.tamu.edu (Tim McGuire) writes: > I recently needed to access some of my data from my Osborne I days, and > found (actually remembered) that Media Master and Uniform will not read > single density disks. I presume that this is a hardware limitation of > the *BM drive. Correct. > Can anyone give me any info on how to read my ancient > manuscripts? > You'll just have to find a machine that can do it. I presume that you don't have the Osborne anymore, so you'll have to find someone else that can. I was able to read one with my Kaypro 10 using Uniform. -- =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 90 23:34:50 GMT From: wa3wbu!compnect!dave@uunet.uu.net (Dave Ratcliffe) Subject: Single Density Osborne to MS-Dos [??] Format Message-ID: <693@compnect.UUCP> In article <6320@helios.TAMU.EDU>, mcguire@cs.tamu.edu (Tim McGuire) writes: > A few years ago I was using an Osborne I and then graduated to an > Osborne Executive (it came w/ UCSD Pascal). [ ... ] > I recently needed to access some of my data from my Osborne I days, and > found (actually remembered) that Media Master and Uniform will not read > single density disks. I presume that this is a hardware limitation of > the *BM drive. Can anyone give me any info on how to read my ancient > manuscripts? Musta been a REAL old version of Uniform. I thought it was capable of single density so I just fired up version 1.08 and I'm looking at it on my PC screen right now. Not only does it support several single density formats, it even specifically lists TWO Osborne I formats, both double AND single desity. So, all you need is a newer version of Uniform and you've got it licked. :-) As to Media Master, I can't help you there. Never tried it. *>> Dave <<* [------: Dave Ratcliffe :--------:-: 2832 Croyden Rd. Harrisburg Pa. 17104 :-] : dave@compnect.uucp -or- : The Data Factory BBS : : uunet!wa3wbu!compnect!dave -or-: Data: (717)657-4997 - (717)657-4992 : : compnect!dave@uunet.UU.NET :...........................................] [........use what works..........] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 90 12:20 EDT From: Brainwave Surfer Subject: VT100 Terminal emulators. >From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" >Subject: VT-10x emulator ? > Does anybody know of a DEC-VT100 or higher terminal simulation program, > preferably with sources ? ( target is CPM/3 Z80 Lobo, memory mapped comm > ports, display control very close to SOROC-IQ120, ADM-31 and ADM-3) Dear Jacques, I may not be real sure but Kermit works for me. However, I'm using a VT180 and that may be translating the ansi in firmware instead of via Kermit. Good Luck! /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew AGNEW@VCURUBY.BITNET, / > || Neurosurgery, AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU This tape will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, Va five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 90 12:54:46 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!gopnbg!tmpmbx!zelator!snoopy@ucsd.edu (Mathias Niemz) Subject: Wordstar to Ascii. Message-ID: <661@zelator.UUCP> I have some freeware programs called 'unsoft' and 'ensoft' to translate Wordstar-files <--> ASCII. They work fine i.e. to translate a downloaded text from news or other unix files to change them via Wordstar for printing or translating a Wordstar text for documentation on disks. -- Snailmail: Mathias Niemz, Preussenallee 23, D-1000 Berlin 19, W-Germany Phone (Voice !) Q +49 30 305 50 60 X25: (0262)44 3000 90345 (no uucp yet) Other E-Mail: GEO1:M.Niemz Bix: m.niemz CompuServe: 76206,3341 UUCP: ..!uunet!mcvax!unido!tmpmbx!zelator!snoopy ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #115 ************************************* 9-Jul-90 15:31:13-MDT,10815;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 90 15:15:08 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #116 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900709151510.V90N116@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 9 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 116 Today's Topics: Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') CP/M manual sets not $9.70 Help needed with TeleVideo TS-804 Old XEROX system needs help... QX-10 with ZCPR3 and NovaDos XEROX 16/8 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Jul 90 18:02:00 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!apollo!gaz@ucsd.edu (Gary Zaidenweber) Subject: Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') Message-ID: <4b7dbd6f.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> From article <4951@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk>, by neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth): > > The TT has an Appletalk interface. IMHO this is a very smart decision by > Atari. Does Atari have any plans to make native TT software that will use > this on a network say like TOPS with Macs, PCs and Suns? I'm certain > Dave Small will use it when he converts Spectre to the TT. > > On an unrelated topic:- > Is the CPM emulator for the ST in the public domain? If so, is there anyone > willing to mail it to me? Tell me first please. Thanks in advance. > According to a file included with the CP/M emulator, it does appear to be in the public domain, placed there by none other than Atari Corp. (who also appears to be the one who commissioned the port to the ST.) I got it off of Terminator, though I'll be happy to mail it to you if you wish. Please respond by email and I'll do it (its over 200K uuencoded/arc'ed so I don't want to be one of ten doing it :-) ) I'm glad you asked about it though, since I use it occasionally, and find that a few pieces of functionality and information are missing and was thinking of bringing up the topic myself. First of all, I can't find any information about hard-disk support under CP/M, though the TOS filesystem commands can access the hard disk. Also, there's not enough info to make changes to CP/M itself like upgrading to ZCPR. (For those of you not familiar with it, the Atari ST CP/M emulator emulates a "documented" Z80, i.e. doesn't implement the undocumented Z80 opcodes.) If anyone can help, please post or email. Gary Zaidenweber (508)256-6600 x4360 | You're only young Apollo Systems Division, Hewlett Packard Company | once, but if you UUCP: {umix|decvax|mit-eddie}!apollo!gaz | do it right, ARPA: gaz@apollo.HP.COM FAX:(508)250-4943 | once is enough! ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 90 17:04:34 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!swbatl!texbell!nuchat!sugar!ficc!peter@ucsd.edu (Peter da Silva) Subject: CP/M manual sets not $9.70 Message-ID: <1VJ4BE4@xds13.ferranti.com> That's the dealer price, minimum order $200. Qty one price is $25.00 They're for the Xerox 820, CP/M 2.2, 5.25" disks. I ordered one. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' +1 713 274 5180. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 90 11:40:36 PDT (Monday) From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM Subject: Help needed with TeleVideo TS-804 Message-ID: <900709-114903-1797@Xerox> An old college buddy of mine picked up a TeleVideo TS-804, complete with a tape backup unit (TS-806C), and an extra terminal. He knew nothing about it other than he thought it was CP/M and asked me to take a look at it when I stopped by his place on my vacation over the forth. It booted up fine for me (his wife thought she had screwed the hard disk up), and I found out that it was running MP/M II. I had no problem looking into different things and showing he and his wife how to use it. We started cleaning out all the garbage left over from the previous owners WordStar letters and memos (I was rather surprised to find that this company information had not been deleted). While my buddy had gotten most of the documentation that went with this system, (except for the MP/M Manuals and the TS-804 Technical Reference Manual) the ONLY floppy disk he had gotten was the WordStar Master disk. As I have never messed with MP/M before some things were not obvious. Anyway, the following morning, the system would not boot up. It came out of Diagnostics and said: WDC NOT READY ERROR I assume WDC means Winchester Drive Controller, but this error message does not give me enough information to tell if it is a problem with the Hard Drive, or the Hard Drive Controller. Does anybody know? We opened the case, and did the obvious things ... look for anything out of place, check all the connectors, and so on, but still it would not boot. Since we had no bootable floppies ...... After we had given up, his wife flicked the power switch off an on one more time (Yes, I know about Shift/ Break Break), and suddenly everything came up. We grabbed some floppies and started formatting them. I then used WRITESYS on several of them, to create bootable disks. I made up a WordStar disk, so that they could use the computer even if the hard drive would not work. For now anyway, word processing is the main thing they want to do with it. I continued cleaning up the hard drive, and backing some of the software up on floppies. Later on into the evening, the thing started acting funny ... telling me that there were no files on floppies that I KNEW had files on them. I rebooted it, and got some sort of disk error. Since a bunch of other old college buddies had showed up, we did not do anything else. The next day, again it would not boot up ... same problem. I was pretty sure by that time that I knew why he had gotten it so cheap ... and why none of the companies files had been deleted. :-) I tried booting from some of the floppies, and discovered that MPM.SYS was also needed for the bloody thing to boot. Grumble, my inexperience with MP/M got me. All I had to do was get the thing to boot once, and I could take care of that problem ... of course, it wouldn't boot until his wife flipped the power switch one more time ... when I had the car all packed and ready to leave for home. This time, it wouldn't come up though. This time it said: MPMLDR error: Dsk rd err I assume this means that it had read problems while trying to start/run the MP/M loader? That's all it would do from that point on. So, here we were with a hard drive that wouldn't boot, containing the one file needed to make the floppies boot. Catch-22. So ..... could anyone tell me any more about the WDC error? Would anyone have an MP/M system disk, or at least an MPM.SYS file for the TeleVideo TS-804? If we can boot from a floppy, I am pretty sure we can get at the files on the hard drive .... or at least they can still use WordStar from a floppy. Out of curiosity, is it still possible to get MP/M? ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 90 15:06:53 GMT From: att!cbnewsm!wabit@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (david.w.mundhenk) Subject: Old XEROX system needs help... Message-ID: <1990Jul9.150653.14988@cbnewsm.att.com> A friend is trying to make use of an old CP/M XEROX word processing system. I can't seem to find the model number at the moment, but it was an alphanumeric; the system doesn't seem to have a model name. It has 2 8" floppy drives. The owner has a good supply of disks, and has a disk that seems to be a boot disk, but nothing happens when it tries to boot off this. BTW, when powered on, the system comes up with 3 choices: typewriter, wordprocessor, or host terminal (or similar descriptions). Maybe this will help identify the system. To get to my question, does anyone know what this beast is, and can software be acquired to make it useful? It seems to be working OK other than the fact that it won't boot off this floppy - the light comes on on the floppy drive... Thanks! -- Dave Mundhenk [...!att!lc15a!doc] EMAIL: ...!att!lc15a!doc | "I can't complain but | /^, VOICE: (201)-580-4943 | sometimes I still do"| / } _, , , __ #include | - Joe Walsh | /_./ (_l |/ <~_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 90 10:35:02 edt From: Subject: QX-10 with ZCPR3 and NovaDos Message-ID: <9007091535.AD00042@adam.DG.COM> CEO summary: Over the weekend, I finally got around to installing NovaDos and I am currently working on installing ZCPR3 on the QX-10. In installing NovaDos, I discovered after some debuging that the BIOS was patching the BDOS was causing things to be screwed up when the BDOS was replaced with a different version, but I got it to work. I tried getting Z80DOS to work, but it keeps coldbooting. Installing ZCPR3 is difficult, but with the BDOS replacement, I think I can work out a way where I just add a BIOS extension overwriting the BDOS and using the original BIOS for services (this is where the ZCPR3 buffers will be stored, along with the cold boot requirements) and BDOS and BIOS will be loaded below that. My questions are: (1) Has anyone else installed any of these things on a QX-10? (If someone is insterested in using them after I am through, I would be interested to here from them as well). (2) In loading NovaDos, it mentions a library NVDSUTL.LBR, and Z80DOS mentions library 2 of 3 as being Z8D24SUP.LBR. Does anyone have these two libraries? They are not on simtel20 where I got everything else. (3) Any suggestions about installing ZCPR3 to use bank switching or in a fixed BIOS size environment? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 90 20:24:04 GMT From: ccncsu!handel.cs.colostate.edu!pearson@boulder.colorado.edu (Kirk Pearson) Subject: XEROX 16/8 Message-ID: <7841@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> Hiya all, I've just gotten ahold of a XEROX 16/8 with a single 8" flopy drive and all that. Anyway, the boot disk is NO GOOD. I called XEROX, who referred me to a users group, who told me that if I couldn't find someone to make me a copy of the system, I've got a very big doorstop! Needless to say, that's what I'm looking for. A copy of the CP/M disks for this machine. All those responding will be entered into a raffle for my firstborn child. Thanks. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #116 ************************************* 12-Jul-90 19:29:23-MDT,10247;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 90 19:15:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #117 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900712191515.V90N117@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 12 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 117 Today's Topics: 820-II System that was placed for sale Amstrad info Antique Osborne 1 as a terminal How do I align a disk drive? INFO-CPM Digest V90 #114 Old XEROX system needs help... QX-10 and Z-system re UZI on H89 ZDE 1.6 docs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Jul 90 23:38:15 GMT From: att!cbnewsm!ldc@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (derrick.j.mitchell) Subject: 820-II System that was placed for sale Message-ID: <1990Jul11.233815.29020@cbnewsm.att.com> Hi, I spoke to someone a few days ago about buying his used cpm system. The person that I spoke to mentioned that he lived close to route 80. I promised to call back the following day to arrange pick. However, I lost the number and I never saved a copy of your email. I am still interested in buying the system. If you still have it you can email me a response or call me at (215) 770-3945. Thanks. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 90 13:14:36 GMT From: uhccux!munnari.oz.au!csc!cjp310@ames.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Amstrad info Message-ID: <2358.269b263c@csc.anu.oz> Hello netlanders, This is my first time posting to this group, so forgive me if I cover any old ground. I have an Amstrad 6128, running CPM 2.2+, which I play around with at home, it has the 3" disk drive. which is a rather expensive little toy, as the diskettes cost aprox $10 each... What I would like to do is add on a 5 1/4" drive (I can pick up an old ibm one quite easily.) are there any suggestions, advise or experience that anyone could give me. My second question involves the presence of ftp sites for PD Amstrad stuff around ??? Thanks in advance Chris Patterson. (Chris@coombs.anu.edu.au) (cjp310@csc.anu.edu.au) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 90 07:50:16 CDT From: "Andy Stewart, Reference Librarian" Subject: Antique Osborne 1 as a terminal Message-ID: <900712.075016.CDT.C3038B@UMRVMB> Would anyone be willing to share the agonies, ecstasies, and other practical advice as to BEGINNING to get the hardware/software which I will need so I can access an IBM system from my home (Osborne 1--SSSD) computer. I am not an assembly language programmer--much more the user of applications programs. My main intended use is tracking netmail (our library catalog is also online through the mainframe. Is it asking too much to even consider using the Osborne as a terminal for other mainframe applications (like SAS, for example)? Any advice would be appreciated. If the whole question is too fundamental, I would be willing to take answers directly and summarize for the net. I assume that the Simtel server will have numerous Osborne public domain programs/utilities, and am anxious to search that out, but will save my questions on THAT topic for another posting. Thank you much--Andy Stewart, C3038b at umrvmb.umr.edu ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 90 03:49:47 GMT From: usc!snorkelwacker!bu.edu!mirror!pallio!dg@ucsd.edu (David Goodenough) Subject: How do I align a disk drive? Message-ID: I recently got an old computer with a pair of full height 5.25" drives in it. One of them is out of alignment because disks formatted in this drive can't be read by the other (or any other 5.25" drive in the house), and disks formatted by a good drive (of which I have several), can't be read by the bad drive. For those that are interested, the drives are made by Tandon, and use a split band actuator to move the heads. If you read this in comp.peripherals, please E-mail to the address below, since I don't get a feed of that group here on pallio. Thanks in advance, -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 90 10:56 CDT From: Doctor WHO <99626176@UWPLATT.EDU> Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #114 Message-ID: <68A43F5B5B9FE012E3@uwplatt.edu> > I do not understand why "Nicky" is working on the project he is, > since a superb product already exists. It is DosDisk from Bridger Nicky, please don't let this discourage you from your work. SAGE, perhaps he is working on this project to help those of us who can't afford the $30 or $45 cost of DosDisk (like me, college student you know). Or maybe he didn't know about DosDisk. Or maybe he did and didn't like it. Cory Hug P.S. Looking forward to V2 of your MS-DOS emulator Nicky. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 90 01:10:48 GMT From: usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@ucsd.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Old XEROX system needs help... Message-ID: <25786@usc.edu> In article <1990Jul9.150653.14988@cbnewsm.att.com> wabit@cbnewsm.att.com (david.w.mundhenk) writes: # # #A friend is trying to make use of an old CP/M XEROX #word processing system. I can't seem to find the model #when powered on, the system comes up with 3 choices: #typewriter, wordprocessor, or host terminal (or similar #descriptions). Maybe this will help identify the system. # Are you SURE about those choices? THe Xerox 820-II comes up with a menu to Load system, Typewriter, or Host mode. No wordprocessor option. If you really have the Wordprocessor option, you may have an 860. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 90 16:10:29 PDT From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: QX-10 and Z-system Message-ID: <0093991DD3485260.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> I run ZCPR 3.3 on an SB-180, and wanted to run it also on my QX-10. I decided the best way to play it was to move the BDOS down, and put the ZCPR buffers between the BDOS and BIOS. However, I couldn't find out how (where) the QX10 kept the location of the BDOS for use in eg. the warm-boot code; in the end, other tasks became more relevant. Bank 0 is full of goodies, by the way - I remapped the keyboard to handle an ASCII unit, and found a lot of fascinating graphics primitives (?); if Epson had only documented their software, the QX-10 would have swept all before it. I look at a 600x400 screen, totally unusable to me unless I program the graphics controller directly, and feel very discouraged. Jay Sage came across one of my pleas for help on a BBS, and wrote me a note to say that a lot of people in his area were running the Z-system on QX-10s with no real problems. I don't know which version they were running; it may be later than 3.3. I recently got a price for the current ZCPR/ZRDOS to run on a QX-10 from Jay Sage's company (~$140 total) and decided it just wasn't cost effective. If you ran the new ZCPR with NOVADOS (is that possible?) it would only cost you ~$75; pricey, but might be worth it. Anway, good luck - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jun 90 15:14:50 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!leah!cook!watson!rennie@ucsd.edu (William A Rennie) Subject: re UZI on H89 Message-ID: <153@watson.albany.edu> In article , dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes: > In article <6612@amelia.nas.nasa.gov> slayden@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov > (James B. Slayden) asks: > > Is it possible that someone out there has UZI- the unix environment for > > the CP/M? Or do you have any information where I can get the specs, etc.. > > I believe that UZI is available from SIMTEL20. Look in PD2:. After I saw this post I downloaded UZI from SIMTEL20. Installing it looks a little daunting. I wonder if there is anyone out there who has installed UZI on a heath H89. Any advice or suggestions? I am currently running CNIX version 1.02. Its pretty limited. Does anyone know if there has been an update? Bill Rennie rennie@cssun.albany.edu "Art is a lie that reveals the truth." Pablo Picasso -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | William Arthur Rennie | TA to the stars | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 90 13:14 CDT From: Doctor WHO <99626176@UWPLATT.EDU> Subject: ZDE 1.6 docs Message-ID: <689104C6B19FE01245@uwplatt.edu> Thank you again to whomever sent me ZDE 1.6. I don't remember who you were but thanks. Now one minor problem. The docs included only mentions the improvements of version 1.6 over version 1.3. It even tells you that for full documentation, obtain a copy of the version 1.0 docs. Does anyone have those docs that they could send me? Also the docs that tell the 1.3 enhancements from 1.0? Thanks to anyone who can help. Doctor WHO (Cory Hug) 99626176@UWPLATT - Bitnet 99626176@UPLATT.EDU - Internet ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #117 ************************************* 14-Jul-90 17:30:40-MDT,11150;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 90 17:15:53 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #118 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900714171555.V90N118@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 14 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 118 Today's Topics: MIX C & Xerox 16/8 QX-10 and Z-system Replay to Cory Hug TeleVideo TS816/40 VT100 Terminal emulators. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 90 18:35:54 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: MIX C & Xerox 16/8 Message-ID: <9007142235.AA13661@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 6 Jul 90 22:40:18 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!am.dsir.govt.nz!dsiramd!actrix!Ewen.Mcneill@uunet.uu.net (Ewen Mcneill) Subject: C compiler Message-ID: <1990Jul6.224018.5038@actrix.co.nz> Quoting Ewen McNeill *********************** I own an Amstrad CPC6128 which runs CP/M Plus (61K TPA, 180K disks). I can read most other 5.25" CP/M disk formats to import data/programs. I am looking for a C compiler for my machine. Requirements: Moderately fast, Moderately good, Fairly cheap, minimum of K&R standard. Does anyone have any comments, recommendations, or suggestions. Any contact addresses, or prices would be appreciated. I have heard that the Mix C compiler (CP/M version) is quite good, but I don't have a contact address, or a current price. Does anyone else? Please post to the net, or mail suggestions to the address below (the header may be wrong). Thanks in advance, Ewen McNeill. -- --- Ewen McNeill (ewen@actrix.co.nz) End quote ****************************** Ewen, the price of the MIX 'C' compiler is $19.95 plus $5.00 for S&H. I sell the CP/M version of MIX 'C', but I only stock the TeleVideo (DS, DD, 48tpi) formatted version. For additional info you can contact me at this address: Ed Grey P.O. Box #2186 Inglewood, CA 90305 (213) 759-7406 voice You can also send e-mail to any of the addresses below. Take care. ======================================== ======================================== Quoting Kirk Pearson ***************************** Date: 9 Jul 90 20:24:04 GMT From: ccncsu!handel.cs.colostate.edu!pearson@boulder.colorado.edu (Kirk Pearson) Subject: XEROX 16/8 Message-ID: <7841@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> Hiya all, I've just gotten ahold of a XEROX 16/8 with a single 8" flopy drive and all that. Anyway, the boot disk is NO GOOD. I called XEROX, who referred me to a users group, who told me that if I couldn't find someone to make me a copy of the system, I've got a very big doorstop! End quote ********************************* Kirk, if you contact Mike Heffernan at Mike's Xerox Corner BBS (213-422-7942), I'm sure he'll be able to help. He has a Xerox 16/8 and has contact with several others, with both 5.25" and 8" drives. Take care. -- Ed Grey, Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M (213-971-6260) Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 90 14:47:13 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: QX-10 and Z-system This is in response to Will Rose's recent message. >> I decided the best way to play it was to move the BDOS down, and put the >> ZCPR buffers between the BDOS and BIOS. Even if you could figure out how to do this, it does not result in the best solution. There are quite a few CP/M programs that calculate addresses on the assumption that the BDOS is 0E00H below the BIOS entry point. They will fail after you have made your modification. You would also have to perform a code relocation on the BDOS, since it would now be running at a different address, and you would have to change the BIOS warmboot so that it would load the BDOS and CCP to the new addresses. >> However, I couldn't find out how (where) the QX10 kept the location of >> the BDOS for use in eg. the warm-boot code; Is it not kept on the system tracks of the diskette the way it is on other CP/M computers? >> Jay Sage came across one of my pleas for help on a BBS, and wrote me a >> note to say that a lot of people in his area were running the Z-system on >> QX-10s with no real problems. I don't know which version they were >> running; it may be later than 3.3. The ones I know about most recently are using NZCOM. It is not a question, in any case, of the ZCPR version. They all run more or less the same way. Later versions just have improved features. ZCPR33 is a MAJOR improvement over ZCPR3; ZCPR34, the latest version, has some nice additional features but nothing anyone really has to have. >> I recently got a price for the current ZCPR/ZRDOS to run on a QX-10 from >> Jay Sage's company (~$140 total) and decided it just wasn't cost >> effective. If you ran the new ZCPR with NOVADOS (is that possible?) it >> would only cost you ~$75; pricey, but might be worth it. There was apparently a major misunderstanding here. The cost of NZCOM is $70, and that provides a COMPLETE, automatically installing, and fully reconfigurable (statically and dynamically) Z-System, INCLUDING the ZRDOS disk operating system replacement code. It is very easy, if not trivial, to substitute NOVADOS or Z80DOS. In fact, you can change DOSs at will, even in the middle of a command line! You can then experiment easily with different versions of the DOS without having even to reboot the computer. The finest replacement DOS, in my opinion, is ZDOS (the ZSDOS/ZDDOS pair of datestamping DOSs). The full price of that package is $75; it is reduced to $60 for owners of NZCOM (or ZRDOS in any form obtained legitimately). There is no need to purchase ZDOS with NZCOM. If $70 stretches the budget too much and/or one would rather invest significant amounts of time, then a manual installation of ZCPR33 makes sense. This is not easy if you do not have source code for the BIOS or a version of MOVCPM that will move the whole system down in memory. Otherwise, there are many reasons, as I set forth in one of my TCJ columns, to prefer NZCOM -- for technical and performance reasons, not just for the ease of installation. The Ampro on which my Z-Node BBS is running still has a manually installed Z-System, but that is only because I don't have time to fix things that are not broken. If I were doing it over, I would certainly use NZCOM instead, as I do on my Televideo 803H and Amstrad PCW8512 (actually, Z3PLUS on the Amstrad). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 90 14:46:55 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: Replay to Cory Hug Cory Hug made the following response to me regarding my questioning of Nicky's effort to write a program to allow a CP/M computer to work with IBM- format diskettes: >> SAGE, >> perhaps he is working on this project to help those of us who can't >> afford the $30 or $45 cost of DosDisk (like me, college student you >> know). Or maybe he didn't know about DosDisk. Or maybe he did and >> didn't like it. If he is working on it either because he did not like DosDisk or because he wanted to release it freely to the public for those people who cannot afford $30 (the price for the version for his C128), that is fine. More likely -- and this turned out to be the case -- he was completely unaware of DosDisk. There are enough *unavailable* tools to work on that it is a shame to be duplicating those that already exist. Since Nicky referred to releasing his program as shareware, the cost savings over the very inexpensive DosDisk would be very little, except of course to those who take and use shareware without paying for it. Also, of course, Nicky may have more time than money, and he may prefer to write his own program. All this notwithstanding, there are many people reading this digest whom I would like to be aware of DosDisk. For them, $30 will immediately provide their computers with this much needed functionality. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 90 18:32:51 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: TeleVideo TS816/40 Message-ID: <9007142232.AA13599@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> I'm the proud new owner of a couple of TeleVideo TS816/40 and a TS816H/40. Unfortunately these beauties came without any documentation or tapes (the 816/40 has a built in tape backup). One of the computers has TurboDos installed. The TS816H is just a 40 meg HD (with power supply) in the same size case as the TS816/40. I would like to locate documentation on the 816/40 and 816H/40, as well as TurboDos. While I'm at it, I'd also like to find out something about a "TeleVideo PM Interface" card that has a ROM labeled "180010-18C /1605N". The card has RS-422 port (DB-15) and it looks like it plugs into an IBM (or clone) slot. Can anyone help with information on these cards, I have several of them. Finally, does anyone have any of the cards which, when plugged into an IBM (or clone), would allow the IBM to be use as a workstation off of one of the TS816/40's? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Take care. -- Ed Grey, Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M (213-971-6260) Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 90 02:24:35 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!clotho!trilo@ucsd.edu (Ross Presser) Subject: VT100 Terminal emulators. Message-ID: <#DT$%3$@rpi.edu> In article <6A2AE6D1C21F80103B@Gems.VCU.EDU> AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Brainwave Surfer) writes: >>From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" >>Subject: VT-10x emulator ? >> Does anybody know of a DEC-VT100 or higher terminal simulation program, >> preferably with sources ? ( target is CPM/3 Z80 Lobo, memory mapped comm >> ports, display control very close to SOROC-IQ120, ADM-31 and ADM-3) > >Dear Jacques, I may not be real sure but Kermit works for me. However, >I'm using a VT180 and that may be translating the ansi in firmware instead >of via Kermit. Good Luck! Qterm by the esteemed David Goodenough will emulate VT100 fairly well, if the real terminal it's talking to has (at least) screen clear, direct cursor addressing, line delete and line insert. Char insert and char delete help. Look for QTERM42G.LBR on Simtel20. You'll also need EXL.LBR or something else that can handle ?Y? files. However, source is not available. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #118 ************************************* 15-Jul-90 21:31:31-MDT,10587;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 90 21:15:45 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #119 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900715211545.V90N119@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 15 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 119 Today's Topics: Amstrad 5.25 disks How do I align a disk drive? (2 msgs) Wordstar backspace and delete ZCPR/ZDOS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jul 90 16:42:47 PDT From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Amstrad 5.25 disks Message-ID: <00939B7C1DF1C3E0.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> I believe this is reasonably simple, given the hardware and the cable (ie. an IDC and edge connector.) The Amstrad is very widely used in England - try writing to Amstrad PCW Magazine, 116-120 Goswell Road, London, EC1 7RD and asking them if they know of an available kit or instructions. A few months subscription to this mag might be worthwhile (I don't know what their overseas rates are) since they advertise all sorts of goodies like ramdisks, ports, clocks, and more software than you knew existed. Standard disclaimers apply - I don't actually even own an Amstrad, I've just worked on a couple for friends. It was felt that as we came from the same country, we would have an inherent understanding... Good luck - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 90 14:43:47 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!texbell!texsun!digi.lonestar.org!harlie!mitch@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mitch Mitchell) Subject: How do I align a disk drive? Message-ID: In article , dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes: >I recently got an old computer with a pair of full height 5.25" drives in >it. One of them is out of alignment because disks formatted in this drive >can't be read by the other (or any other 5.25" drive in the house), and >disks formatted by a good drive (of which I have several), can't be read >by the bad drive. For those that are interested, the drives are made by >Tandon, and use a split band actuator to move the heads. David - you might also want to check that the drive's rotational speed is up to spec. I had two 5 1/4" floppys that could format disks for themselves but no other drives could read them. I found that the rotational speed was off by about 5 milliseconds. It should be about 200ms between index pulses. Once adjusted (via a potentiometer on the circuit board) the drives worked fine. I used some diagnostic software that came with my computer but an o-scope or counter or mabe even seat-of-the-pants adjustment while trying to read a good disk would work... Good luck, Mitch ************************************************************************** * {uunet | texbell}!harlie!mitch Mitch Mitchell "Virago Rider" * * {uunet | texbell}!digi!mmitchel Voice & Phone Mail (214) 519-3257 * * mitch@harlie.lonestar.org FidoNet: 1:124/4115.224 * ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 90 16:12:43 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!tut!funic!santra!santra!iisakkil@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Mika R Iisakkila) Subject: How do I align a disk drive? Message-ID: In article mitch@harlie.UUCP (Mitch Mitchell) writes: > David - you might also want to check that the drive's rotational speed > is up to spec. ... > I used some diagnostic software that came with my computer but an > o-scope or counter or mabe even seat-of-the-pants adjustment while trying to > read a good disk would work... I too have an old full-height Tandon floppy drive. It has a 'stroboscope' pattern on this what-ever-it-is-in-English which spins on the bottom of the drive. Light it with a mains-operated light bulb and you can easily adjust the speed accurately enough. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 90 16:35:27 PDT From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Wordstar backspace and delete Message-ID: <00939B7957768680.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> A couple of people asked me how to change around the BS and DEL keys in WordStar 3.3. Off the top of my head, I thought Wsinstall would do it, but this option must have been added only in later versions. Since I loathe a destructive backspace, I've never tried to change from the standard, but below is a way of patching ws.com if you need to; I've tested it, and at least for me, it works. Ws.com has a number of keystroke despatch tables, which each consist of a number of four-byte sequences. The first two bytes are the key(s) to be matched, and the second two are some form of jump location - I've not bothered to find out what. The despatch table needed here is the file-editing command table, whose start is marked by the internal label 'VTAB'. In my version of 3.3, this is at address 489h. The four relevant keystrokes are ^S, ^H, ^G, and DEL. For those keyboards that cannot produce DEL, Wordstar has an equivalent, ^_; I've ignored this. We want to leave ^S and ^G alone, and make ^H act like DEL, and DEL act like ^G. Using DDT, this is done by changing the following locations in my (3.3) version of ws.com: location 4a3h from dah to 43h - for ^H location 4a4h from 63h to 68h location 543h from 43h to 64h - for DEL location 544h remains as 68h If you're using winstall, you can use offsets from VTAB. Function or arrow keys are more difficult; there seem to be two approaches. There is a label UCONI, which I found at 29dh, which marks the user console input routine. (The routine before it is for console status, UCNSTA, and the one following is console output, UCONO.) One way to install function keys would be to add an input routine that recognises them and translates them into a keycode sequence (such as ^S or ^D) that Wordstar can understand. The other approach is via a label XTAB, which I found at 655h. This marks the end of the (official) file-editing command dispatch table that starts at VTAB; there is room, (I think) for a further 9 four-byte entries. If you add the keybcodes for function and arrow keys, and vector them to addresses that are already used by standard Wordstar commands, you should get the required result. I haven't tried this. Good luck - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 90 18:07:20 PDT From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: ZCPR/ZDOS Message-ID: <00939B874B0B7A00.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> This is in response to Jay Sage's recent reply to Will Rose's recent message. >>> I decided the best way to play it was to move the BDOS down, and put the >>> ZCPR buffers between the BDOS and BIOS. >> Even if you could figure out how to do this, it does not result in the >>best solution. There are quite a few CP/M programs that calculate addresses >>on the assumption that the BDOS is 0E00H below the BIOS entry point. They >>will fail after you have made your modification. Thanks - just as well I didn't continue... Where do you put the buffers, then - under the fixed memory area and above the BIOS? I passed on that one, because I couldn't see how to move the BIOS. >>> However, I couldn't find out how (where) the QX10 kept the location of >>> the BDOS for use in eg. the warm-boot code; >> Is it not kept on the system tracks of the diskette the way it is on >>other CP/M computers? Yes, but there are a lot of bytes out there, many of them different... >>> I recently got a price for the current ZCPR/ZRDOS to run on a QX-10 from >>> Jay Sage's company (~$140 total) and decided it just wasn't cost >>> effective. If you ran the new ZCPR with NOVADOS (is that possible?) it >>> would only cost you ~$75; pricey, but might be worth it. >> There was apparently a major misunderstanding here. The cost of NZCOM is >>$70, and that provides a COMPLETE, automatically installing, and fully >>reconfigurable (statically and dynamically) Z-System, INCLUDING the ZRDOS >>disk operating system replacement code. I should have said 'the current ZCPR/ZDOS ... ($130 plus tax and postage where applicable)'. I use ZRDOS 1.7, and consider it a step back from CP/Ms BDOS - I'm very tired of 'ZRDOS error no. ??' messages. I should have said it auto-installed, too - sorry. >> The finest replacement DOS, in my opinion, is ZDOS (the ZSDOS/ZDDOS pair >>of datestamping DOSs). True - if you're upgrading, this is the one to have. I very much want date- stamping. The Z-system would be especially useful, I imagine, on the Amstrad (since this machine is also under discussion). I never did like CP/M 3.0; seems awkward to use somehow, tho' there's a lot of power in there. Good luck - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #119 ************************************* 16-Jul-90 22:38:58-MDT,11553;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 90 22:15:59 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #120 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900716221600.V90N120@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 16 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 120 Today's Topics: Amstrad 3.5" Diskettes Amstrad Magazines Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') C compilers Small-C VT100 Terminal emulators. ZCPR/Z80DOS ZCPR/ZDOS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 90 16:03:15 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: Amstrad 3.5" Diskettes I have an overstock of these diskettes. We had high hopes that Z3PLUS would become very popular with the Amstrad crowd in Europe. As a result, I bought a second-hand Amstrad to develop a custom version of Z3PLUS and to produce the diskettes. I also bought a supply of those ridiculously expensive diskettes. A hundred of them cost about as much as the whole computer, with its extra high-density disk drive and serial port! Well, it turns out that those Amstrad folks are about the least sophisticated computer users in the world, even the ones who consider themselves super-intelligent and belong to Mensa (there is a user group in the US for Amstrad owners that is loosely affiliated with Mensa). They basically just live in their Locoscript wordprocessor, and that is it. Consequently, I have far more of these diskettes than I can use, and I would like to see them doing someone some good. I am willing to ship them to anyone in the US postpaid at $35 per box of 10. This is less than I paid dealer-wholesale in quantity and is less than the price in England, where competition appears to keep the price a little less outrageous. This offer is good while supplies last. My kids make good use of Locoscript on the Amstrad, and an order for Z-System software comes along every so often, so I will keep a few extra disks on hand. I should be able to part with five or six boxes. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 90 15:54:33 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: Amstrad Magazines Will Rose said: >> The Amstrad is very widely used in England -- try writing to Amstrad PCW >> Magazine, 116-120 Goswell Road, London, EC1 7RD and asking them if they >> know of an available kit or instructions. A few months subscription to >> this mag might be worthwhile (I don't know what their overseas rates are) >> since they advertise all sorts of goodies like ramdisks, ports, clocks, >> and more software than you knew existed. A friend of mine in England advised me that another magazine was preferable. It is called something like "8000 PCW". I got an airmail subscription. The cost is quite steep: nearly $100 for a one-year, 12-issue subscription. It does have extensive, interesting advertisements. There is an awful lot of software available in England for the PCW computers. One thing, though. There is virtually no interest in or knowledge of the CP/M side of the machines. I think I have seen only one CP/M article, and it talked about DDT, which I would regard as thoroughly obsolete at this point. If all you want is some advertisements, I would be willing to lend you one of my copies of "8000". -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 90 10:13:45 GMT From: mcsun!inria!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') Message-ID: Wouldn't it be easier to emulate CP/M 68000? Such beasts surely exist since I threw out our documentation. -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU =============================================================================== Reliable software should kill people reliably! -Andy Mickel, Pascal News #13,78 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 90 15:52 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: C compilers Message-ID: <63C3F7E3D8DFE0172B@uwplatt.edu> To the person who was looking for a C compiler, there is a complete K+R compiler available on simtel20 which uses a public domain assembler: listing of pd: 224.01 CC .CQM 23K 60 46 Z80 Small C compiler with 224.02 CC .DQC 10K 8C 57 floating point math 224.03 C80V .CQ 27K 48 39 / 224.04 C80V-2 .CQ 21K EB BC / 224.05 ARGS .CQ 3K 47 7F I/O direction and command 224.06 ARGS .DQC 2K 24 BC line parsing 224.07 ARGS .H 1K 3E 33 / 224.08 ARGS .OQJ 3K 40 4E / 224.09 CLIBV .OBJ 4K C9 EB alternate math & I/O library 224.10 FLOAT .CQ 15K C9 EE floating point routines 224.11 FLOAT .DQC 3K 04 D9 / 224.12 FLOAT .H 1K 21 05 / 224.13 FLOAT .OBJ 3K 95 62 / 224.14 IOLIB .CQ 11K FA 82 integer math and I/O 224.15 IOLIB .DQC 3K D1 C8 / 224.16 IOLIB .H 1K 0E 62 / 224.17 IOLIB .OQJ 6K 1E 5E / 224.18 PRINTF .DQC 3K 66 D2 formatted I/O 224.19 PRINTF1 .CQ 3K 70 E9 / 224.20 PRINTF1 .H 1K 31 61 / 224.21 PRINTF1 .OQJ 6K 6D D9 / 224.22 PRINTF2 .CQ 6K 63 1F / 224.23 PRINTF2 .H 1K AB C9 / 224.24 PRINTF2 .OQJ 11K B5 AF / 224.25 PROFILE .AQM 3K FB FB execution profile and walkback 224.26 PROFILE .DQC 2K A6 03 / 224.27 PROFILE .H 1K E1 03 / 224.28 PROFILE .OBJ 1K 86 0A / 224.29 TEST .CQ 3K E1 62 sample program 224.30 TRANSCEN.CQ 7K 9A 8C transcendental functions 224.31 TRANSCEN.DQC 2K A9 B2 / 224.32 TRANSCEN.H 1K BF 0F / 224.33 TRANSCEN.OBJ 5K 54 EB / 224.34 ZLINK .CQM 6K E1 17 linkage editor 224.35 ZLINK .DQC 2K 64 8A / 224.36 ZMAC .CQM 10K 08 83 assembler (relocatable output) 224.37 ZMAC .DQC 7K BB 71 / I hope this helps. Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 90 20:44:13 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!dali.cs.montana.edu!rpi!image.soe.clarkson.edu!news@ucsd.edu (Mike deMare,14 KHS,,3152650526) Subject: Small-C Message-ID: <1990Jul16.204413.28064@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Can anyone send me the Small-C compiler (I believe it was first published in Dr Dobbs Journal) Thanx, Mike ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 90 17:25:34 GMT From: ulysses!rick!ahm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andy Meyer) Subject: VT100 Terminal emulators. Message-ID: <220@rick.att.com> In article <#DT$%3$@rpi.edu> trilo@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Ross Presser) writes: > QTERM by the esteemed David Goodenough will emulate VT100 fairly well, if > the real terminal it's talking to has (at least) screen clear, direct > cursor addressing, line delete and line insert. Char insert and char delete > help. Look for QTERM42G.LBR on Simtel20. You'll also need EXL.LBR or > something else that can handle ?Y? files. However, source is not available. For the ?Y? files I've used UNCRLZH.COM Before QTERM will run on a specific machine, however, it needs to be patched. Obtain a copy of QTPATCH.LBR, which contains patch source code for various machines, plus ZSM.COM and ZPATCH.COM; programs that make this a relatively painless procedure. I've become quite fond of QTERM because of it's scripting capability, and personally have versions running on Altos 580, Sony SMC-70, Televideo TS-816/40 and of course TS-803. Andy -- Andreas Meyer ahm@rick.att.com "It's deja-vu all over again..." ..att!rick!ahm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 90 14:33 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: ZCPR/Z80DOS Message-ID: <63CEF4E3B73FE0172B@uwplatt.edu> Has anyone installed Z80DOS on a TRS-80 Model 4 running MM cp/m? Also, has anyone installed ZCPR1/2/3 on the above system and would like to talk about what they did? Finally, the Z80DOS docs talk about a file Z80D24SUP which is not on SIMTEL20 with the other Z80DOS files. Does anyone have this file? Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu or ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 90 15:54:57 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: ZCPR/ZDOS This is in response to Will Rose's recent reply to Jay Sage's recent reply to Will Rose's recent message. >> Thanks - just as well I didn't continue... Where do you put the buffers, >> then - under the fixed memory area and above the BIOS? I passed on that >> one, because I couldn't see how to move the BIOS. One wants to put the buffers above the BIOS. If you have a complete version of MOVCPM, this is easy. Just create a "smaller" system. If you presently have, say, a "61K system" and want 4K for ZCPR buffers, then create a "57K system". You will still have to add a patch to the BIOS coldboot code to initialize the buffers. That is pretty easy to do. >> Yes, [the DOS is kept on the system tracks of the diskette,] but there >> are a lot of bytes out there, many of them different... I'm not sure I quite followed this comment. Usually there are a couple of boot loader sectors and then the operating system in one contiguous block. The CCP occupies 16 records (2k), the DOS 28 records, and the BIOS whatever it takes. There are characteristic signatures that allow one to identify each of the three components. >> I use ZRDOS 1.7, and consider it a step back from CP/Ms BDOS - I'm very >> tired of 'ZRDOS error no. ??' messages. I've never been a fan of ZRDOS, either, but the cryptic error messages were not the worst thing. After all, one can look them up, and the program DOSERR would convert the number into a full-text message. What I really objected to was the way public directories were (mis)implemented. ZDOS handled that matter nicely (and managed to fit in full error messages nevertheless -- nothing like good coding!). ZRDOS does have some good features. I am told that it does run noticeably faster than BDOS. Also, deficient as the public directory implementation might be, it still makes possible some things that could not otherwise be done. In any case, as I mentioned in my earlier message, it is quite trivial to replace the ZRDOS that comes with NZCOM with either NOVADOS or Z80DOS. The latter, I know, comes in the ZRL relocatable format so that it can be installed without any effort at all. One other comment about ZDOS. At $60 (for NZCOM owners), it is not very much more than DateStamper ($50). So for only $10 more, you get a superior form of datestamping (less memory used and more flexibility) and a superior DOS. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #120 ************************************* 18-Jul-90 16:55:34-MDT,6923;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 18-Jul-90 16:45:12 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 90 16:45:11 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #121 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900718164512.V90N121@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 18 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 121 Today's Topics: Amstrad 3.5" Diskettes Amstrad Magazines Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') (2 msgs) INFO-CPM Digest V90 #115 TeleVideo TS816/40 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Jul 90 14:57:48 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Amstrad 3.5" Diskettes Message-ID: <12219@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> I have seen in SAMS wholesale stores packages of 3" diskettes, about 2 for $6, intended for one of the combined printer-wordprocessing machines. I don't know that these fit amstrads, but they are smaller than the usual 3.5" disks. Clarence Wilkerson . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 90 00:47:21 PDT From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Amstrad Magazines Message-ID: <00939D518A968AE0.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> The magazine '8000 Plus', dealing with the 8- series of Amstrad computers, has a subscription address of: The Old Barn Somerton Somerset TA11 7PY England Tel: 0458 74011 The editorial address is: 4 Queen Street Bath BA1 1EJ Tel: 0225 446034 This information is about two years old. The subscription rate for the magazine Amstrad PCW is $45 for one year, seamail. Good luck - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 90 07:00:25 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!freja.diku.dk!skinfaxe.diku.dk!jensting@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jens Tingleff) Subject: Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') Message-ID: <1990Jul17.070025.19732@diku.dk> ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes: >Wouldn't it be easier to emulate CP/M 68000? Such beasts surely exist >since I threw out our documentation. Yes, but who would want to do that ? I bought an ST to get software, even though I had a technically superior (and 20 times more expensive, originally) CP/M-68k machine.. . The only reasonable thing I can think of, for the CP/M-68k machine, is to emulate TOS (only the `normal' bits, not BIOS..) in order to run compilers etc. Anyway, CP/M-68k STINKS. It does allow for disk change without reboot, but that's about the only improvement in usability over CP/M 2.0. I can't even write a terminal emulator, since the standard BIOS doesn't have status info. for the serial line(s), arrrghh. Jens Jens Tingleff MSc EE, Institute of Computer Science, Copenhagen University Snail mail: DIKU Universitetsparken 1 DK2100 KBH O "It never runs around here; it just comes crashing down" apologies to Dire Straits ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 90 16:06:16 GMT From: sun-barr!newstop!texsun!texbell!ficc!peter@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Peter da Silva) Subject: Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') Message-ID: <92R4JLG@xds13.ferranti.com> In article <1990Jul17.070025.19732@diku.dk> jensting@skinfaxe.diku.dk (Jens Tingleff) writes: > The only reasonable thing I can think of, > for the CP/M-68k machine, is to emulate TOS (only the `normal' bits, > not BIOS..) in order to run compilers etc. I though TOS was basically CP/M-68K plus GEM and a bunch of extra functions in the ROM I/O system (xios?). Have you considered porting MINIX-ST to the CP/M machine? -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' +1 713 274 5180. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 90 12:43:15 CST From: Steve Westlund Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #115 Message-ID: <9007171803.AA13667@wugate.wustl.edu> >From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!hprmokg!wgh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Hooper) >Subject: Need help customizing WS >Message-ID: <30680003@hprmokg.HP.COM> > >Help! I need the memory locations and descriptions for customizing >Wordstar for my terminal and printer. Posting here or emailing is >fine. Please no flames about not having documentation and that kind of >stuff as I received the machine for free and just took what was given. >I have Wordstar version 3.0. There is a file in the SIMTEL20 CP/M Archives which provides the patch points for Wordstar versions 3.0 and 3.3. The file can be found in directory PD2: under the name WS3330.DQC. It is stored as a binary file and must be "unsqueezed" before reading. Steve Westlund Washington University St. Louis, Missouri ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 90 21:34:24 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Roger Ivie) Subject: TeleVideo TS816/40 Message-ID: <28284@cc.usu.edu> In article <9007142232.AA13599@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ed Grey) writes: > While I'm at it, I'd also like to find out > something about a "TeleVideo PM Interface" card that has a ROM > labeled "180010-18C /1605N". The card has RS-422 port (DB-15) > and it looks like it plugs into an IBM (or clone) slot. Can > anyone help with information on these cards, I have several of > them. Hmm. Interesting. > Finally, does anyone have any of the cards which, when plugged > into an IBM (or clone), would allow the IBM to be use as a > workstation off of one of the TS816/40's? Thanks in advance for > any help you can provide. Take care. Gosh, sounds like you 'have several of them'. The Televideos used a DB15 RS-422 arrangement to communicate to the server, and it sounds suspicously like the cards you're trying to get info on are the cards that you are looking for. =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #121 ************************************* 20-Jul-90 11:31:06-MDT,10815;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 90 11:15:08 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #122 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900720111509.V90N122@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 20 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 122 Today's Topics: Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') (2 msgs) How do I align a disk drive? INFO-CPM Digest V90 #116 Osborne upgrades simtel20 archives ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Jul 90 07:45:56 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!dkuug!freja.diku.dk!skinfaxe.diku.dk!jensting@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Jens Tingleff) Subject: Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') Message-ID: <1990Jul19.074556.14255@diku.dk> peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <1990Jul17.070025.19732@diku.dk> jensting@skinfaxe.diku.dk (Jens Tingleff) writes: [..] >I though TOS was basically CP/M-68K plus GEM and a bunch of extra functions >in the ROM I/O system (xios?). Yes, as far as I can see. The emulation of TOS on a CP/M-68k machine would mainly consist of remapping the traps (I'd probably have to redo some arguments - trap numbers etc) as the functionality is there. Also, all the things that you *can't* do on CP/M-68k would have to be caught.. . >Have you considered porting MINIX-ST to the CP/M machine? Yes, but I don't have the time. The only problem is that I can't (easily) get to the I/O system, since it's tied to a Z80 computer. The machine is basically a HUGE Z80 computer with a 68000 board tagged on top, communicating through shared memory (the machine is a SORD M68). It would be fun though, although my enthusiasm for the machine slumped somewhat when my experimental CP/M 80 system zeroed the disk block containing the directory on my working disk..... (those were the days...). Jens Jens Tingleff MSc EE, Institute of Computer Science, Copenhagen University Snail mail: DIKU Universitetsparken 1 DK2100 KBH O "It never runs around here; it just comes crashing down" apologies to Dire Straits ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 90 15:16:00 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!apollo!gaz@ucsd.edu (Gary Zaidenweber) Subject: Atari ST CP/M emulator (was 'Re: Appletalk on the TT') Message-ID: <4bb47b0b.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> From article , by ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek): > Wouldn't it be easier to emulate CP/M 68000? Such beasts surely exist > since I threw out our documentation. > -- > Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. > ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. > ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph > If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU > =============================================================================== > Reliable software should kill people reliably! -Andy Mickel, Pascal News #13,78 Of course you're right. In fact, it wouldn't be an emulation at all but could be a "native" operating system. However, the point of emulating CP/M-80 was to allow people who had CP/M machines to migrate to the Atari without discarding all of their CP/M-80 software. In fact, the emulator is nearly as fast as my 2.5 MHz Z80 machine and screen and disk I/O is much faster. Transferring the software is my only holdup to getting rid of the real CP/M machine. As an aside, I worked with Andy Mickel here at Apollo for a couple of years -- I can see him saying that :-) Gary Zaidenweber (508)256-6600 x4360 | You're only young Apollo Systems Division, Hewlett Packard Company | once, but if you UUCP: {umix|decvax|mit-eddie}!apollo!gaz | do it right, ARPA: gaz@apollo.HP.COM FAX:(508)250-4943 | once is enough! ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 90 17:00:42 GMT From: entropy!dataio!shiloh!fnx!del@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Dag Erik Lindberg) Subject: How do I align a disk drive? Message-ID: <592@fnx.UUCP> I already posted this once, but I think it crashed because of a non-existant group comp.peripherals... In article dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes: >I recently got an old computer with a pair of full height 5.25" drives in >it. One of them is out of alignment because disks formatted in this drive >can't be read by the other (or any other 5.25" drive in the house), and Several people have recommended checking the drive rotational speed. Certainly try that first (I recommend using a flourescent light if there is a timing disk on the hub pulley underneath the drive). There will be a 10 turn potentiometer on the motor control board to adjust the speed of the motor. Don't adjust the wrong one if there is no separate motor control board. If you really need to align the drive, you will need an alignment diskette. This is a specially recorded analog diskette which cannot be duplicated by regular (digital) drives. You will also need an oscilloscope which can invert one channel and add the two channels together to produce a single trace on the screen. This is not 'x-y' mode, but a regular sweep mode with the two channels summed together. Connect the two probes to the differential inputs from the drive side 1 preamplifier and sync the sweep on the index pulse. Insert the alignment diskette, start the drive and step to track 16. Adjust your scope and you will see a pattern on the screen resembling a pair of cats eyes, or a butterfly if you prefer. The idea is to loosen the retaining screw on the stepper, and move the head until the two 'lobes' of the pattern are as close to the same height as possible. Tighten down the screw and make sure the pattern hasn't changed (this will probably take a few tries till you get the hang of it). Now unload the drive head so you can move the scope probes to the side 2 preamplifier and check the alignment of the other head. It is extremely rare that head 2 will be out of alignment with head 1, but if it is, you're in trouble. There is no good way to adjust head 2, as it is (usually) simply screwed to head 1 and you will have to remove the aligment diskette, make a blind adjustment, and take a reading to see if you hit the mark. If you feel like you want to go through with this, I can get you the part number for the alignment diskette. Heck, I might just send you mine, since I no longer feel it is cost effetive to align 5.25" drives. The whole procedure is likely to take you a couple of hours if it is your first time, and replacement drives can be had for $50. Incidently, if you buy an alignment diskette, it will cost you $35. -- del AKA Erik Lindberg uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del Who is John Galt? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 90 16:59:03 CST From: Steve Westlund Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #116 Message-ID: <9007182338.AA00225@wugate.wustl.edu> >From: att!cbnewsm!wabit@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (david.w.mundhenk) >Subject: Old XEROX system needs help... >Message-ID: <1990Jul9.150653.14988@cbnewsm.att.com> > >A friend is trying to make use of an old CP/M XEROX >word processing system. I can't seem to find the model >number at the moment, but it was an alphanumeric; the >system doesn't seem to have a model name. It has 2 >8" floppy drives. The owner has a good supply of disks, >and has a disk that seems to be a boot disk, but >nothing happens when it tries to boot off this. BTW, >when powered on, the system comes up with 3 choices: >typewriter, wordprocessor, or host terminal (or similar >descriptions). Maybe this will help identify the system. > >To get to my question, does anyone know what this beast >is, and can software be acquired to make it useful? >It seems to be working OK other than the fact that it >won't boot off this floppy - the light comes on on the >floppy drive... > Your system may be a XEROX 820-II or 16/8 microcomputer. The 820-II has a Z80 processor and runs CP/M80 version 2.2. A lot of good software is available for the 820-II. Much of it is in the public domain and is available in the SIMTEL20 CP/M Archives. Commercial software is also available through mail order. Central Computer Products of Fillmore, California, is an excellent source. The XEROX 16/8 is really an 820-II with an Intel 8086 coprocessor. This micro is capable of running CP/M86 and MS-DOS in addition to CP/M80. There isn't much available software for CP/M86 and only generic MS-DOS applications will run on the 16/8, provided the machine has enough RAM. The 16/8 can do multi- processing, allowing two programs to execute simultaneously - one on the Z80 running CP/M80, the other on the 8086 running CP/M86. I have a 16/8 micro and wanted to take advantage of this feature. But, because there isn't much CP/M86 software available, I have replaced my 8086 with a V30 chip which is able to run a CP/M80 emulator under CP/M86. Now I can run two CP/M80 programs at once, and have more available RAM for some CP/M80 applications, like Supercalc, that can use it. The way to boot the system is to place a bootable disk in drive A, press "L" and the enter key. (Insert the disk with the label to the right). Try this with all your disks, until one works. Some of those disks may be bootable as well. I hope this information is of some help. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 90 16:56:50 GMT From: ucrmath!ucrmath.ucr.edu!kevin@ucsd.edu (peter kevin lund) Subject: Osborne upgrades Message-ID: <7709@ucrmath.ucr.edu> I'm looking to upgrade an Osborne 1 (80 columns, high(er)-density drives, maybe, gasp, a hard drive), but places carrying this sort of squipment don't seem to advertise much (at least not where I look), so by now my question should be obvious, who has the upgrades? Also...is it possible (make that practical) to get the serial port on an Osborne to go over 2400 baud? Thanks Kevin Lund (kevin@ucrmath.ucr.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 90 08:07:52 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!vzb@purdue.edu (Mike Rieser) Subject: simtel20 archives Message-ID: <12281@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> I've seen a few references to the SIMTEL20 Archives. How does one access them? Is there any PD CP/M code which can be ftp'ed? Thanks, Mike ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #122 ************************************* 22-Jul-90 21:56:41-MDT,6684;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 22-Jul-90 21:43:26 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 90 21:43:25 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #123 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900722214326.V90N123@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 22 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 123 Today's Topics: Amstrad 3.5" Diskettes JC DESIGNS Osborne Upgrades simtel20 archives Speed adjustment on a TM101-4 Spell21 What disk for an 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jul 90 13:54:37 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!stc!datlog!tpm@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Tim Murnaghan) Subject: Amstrad 3.5" Diskettes Message-ID: <1990Jul20.135437.6301@dlcq15.datlog.co.uk> In article <9007170825.AA18210@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU writes: > > Well, it turns out that those Amstrad folks are about the least >sophisticated computer users in the world, There is something of a communications gap here. I bought an Amstrad because it was cheap and because I thought that there'd be lots of good CP/M software available. It turns out to be quite difficult to get the stuff, I've never seen anything about Z-system on it until recently in this newsgroup, and even the UK CP/M user group aren't very helpful as they have trouble with the disks (they will write them - but no guarantees that they'll be readable), and the magazines are full of Loco-stuff. As most of the magazines want more contributors maybe Jay should have tried writing an article on Z-system to enlighten the poor Loco-souls out there ? Mind you it's probably a bit late now. Tim. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 90 14:28:00 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!larry.moore@ucsd.edu (LARRY MOORE) Subject: JC DESIGNS Message-ID: <584def551a9a269ca510@canremote.uucp> Does anyone know whether 'JC-Systems', a company that made S100 CPU and SCSI boards (z80 and 64180) and used to be advertised in MicroSystems magazine, is still in operation, has moved, changed their name or is out of business? Picked up a number of their boards at a garage sale and would like to find schematics etc if available. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 90 19:18 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Osborne Upgrades Message-ID: <60827E038DBFE01D9E@uwplatt.edu> Kevin Lund asked where to find Osborne Parts and upgrades. Earlier this year someone had given Worswick Industries as a sources for Ozzie parts and upgrade kits. The address: 4898 Ronson Ct. Suite H San Diego, CA 92111 619-751-5400 I have just written to this address requesting a catalog, and have not receive a reply, (it has only been a few days). Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu or ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 90 18:17:17 GMT From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!hprmokg!wgh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Hooper) Subject: simtel20 archives Message-ID: <30680005@hprmokg.HP.COM> >I've seen a few references to the SIMTEL20 Archives. >How does one access them? >Is there any PD CP/M code which can be ftp'ed? > I would like this information also. Thanks! Bill Hooper, HP Networked Computer Manufacturing Operation, wgh@hprmo.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That's the problem with crunch heads - they have one great idea that actually works then they expect you to carry on funding them for years while they sit and calculate the topographies of their navels. Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 90 19:21 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Speed adjustment on a TM101-4 Message-ID: <6081FA714D7FE01D9E@uwplatt.edu> Hi, I have an 80tkds drive, a Tandon TM101-4, which is running a bit too slow. I cannot find a speed adjustment on this drive. Can the speed be adjusted on this drive? and if so, how is it done. Thanks, Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu or ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 90 02:28:24 GMT From: m2c!wpi!ggray@husc6.harvard.edu (Gary P Gray) Subject: Spell21 Message-ID: <14141@wpi.wpi.edu> I have downloaded the files Spell21.lbr and spell21x.lbr from simtel. They seem to work as advertised, but the dictionary (dict.dic) seems to be missing some common words, like 'for.' I can't recompile the dictionary with dictionary compiler because the raw dictionary is too big to fit on a disk. I tried the seperate file in the same directory (dict.dic) but had the same results. Is this software disagreeing with my computer? (Osborne Exec) Has anyone else had a similar problem with this program? I could try and find an alternate (smaller) dictionary, but I cannot be sure that they will have all of the forms of the words that this package has. Any ideas? -- -- WARNING!!! The above opinions may be HAZARDOUS or FATAL if swallowed!!! -- Drawkcab si esrevinu eht ni gnihtyreve taht gnileef eht teg yllanoisacco uoy od ggray@wpi.wpi.edu -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 90 15:23 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: What disk for an 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drive Message-ID: <5FDA2283DFBFE01D36@uwplatt.edu> Hello all, Well, the subject about says it all. I would like to know where I can get disks which will work in my 96tpi 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drives which Montezuma Micro CP/M will format to 820K. I just bought a box of Kodak MD"-HD disks which are rated at 96tpi, but they do not format, every track fails the verify pass. These disks are made for high density drives (1.2Meg). In the past, I have found Radio Shack 80tk 5.25" disks to work well, and also some brands of 48tpi disks. What is different about the high density disks that they will not work properly on my drives? Any assistance is appreciated, Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu or ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #123 ************************************* 24-Jul-90 20:33:27-MDT,8568;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 24-Jul-90 20:15:21 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 90 20:15:20 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #124 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900724201521.V90N124@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 24 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 124 Today's Topics: Amstrad CP/M CP/M to DOS Spell21 Super Brain What disk for an 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 90 11:47:54 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: Amstrad CP/M To my comment > Well, it turns out that those Amstrad folks are about the least > sophisticated computer users in the world, Tim Murnaghan replied: >> There is something of a communications gap here. I bought an Amstrad >> because it was cheap and because I thought that there'd be lots of good >> CP/M software available. It turns out to be quite difficult to get the >> stuff, I've never seen anything about Z-system on it until recently in >> this newsgroup, and even the UK CP/M user group aren't very helpful as >> they have trouble with the disks (they will write them - but no >> guarantees that they'll be readable), and the magazines are full of Loco >> -stuff. Yes, there is a communications gap, but I could not figure out how to break through. When I sent contributions to magazines in Europe (even had one written in German -- checked by a German colleague of mine), I never even got replies. The same was true of all the magazines, user groups, and dealers to whom "press kits" about Z-System were sent, especially in England. There seemed to be no interest in CP/M developments at all, or at least not from a foreign source. As far as getting software is concerned, it IS quite easy. Besides me, Elliam Associates will gladly convert software from one diskette format to another, including Amstrad. I am quite sure that they sell their CP/M product line in Amstrad format, as does Sage Microsystems. >> As most of the magazines want more contributors maybe Jay should have >> tried writing an article on Z-system to enlighten the poor Loco-souls out >> there ? Mind you it's probably a bit late now. As I commented above, I tried submitting something a couple of times, but there was never even an acknowledgment. Writing articles, as I do regularly for The Computer Journal, is an enormous amount of work, and I was not about to continue doing that when there was no response. After I joined the Amstrad SIG in the U.S., I sent information about Z- System along with a special offer to just about all the activists in the group. One member took the trouble to write to me to tell me that CP/M-Plus already did everything that Z-System does (I took this as an indicator of the level of technical understanding and expertise in that community). There was only one of the activists who showed any interest, and he told me that my impression of the rest of the community as he had seen it was basically correct. There are, of course, some exceptions (besides you and me), but the number appears to be remarkably small. They probably have no way of knowing about each other, because the magazines and user groups do not address their interests. I have gotten a number of requests from people in Great Britain for names of other people with a strong technical interest in CP/M- compatible computing, and I have been happy to try to hook those people up. For many years I traveled to Germany and Switzerland trying to find or encourage the formation of 8-bit user groups. I never had much luck, though I am ecstatic that there is now a very active group in Germany, led by Helmut Jungkunz. Soon we will start to see new Z-System programs contributed by European programmers. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 90 17:46:32 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!emcard!dekalb!greg@ucsd.edu (Greg Philmon) Subject: CP/M to DOS Message-ID: <1028@dekalb.UUCP> I have lots of 5.25" SSDD *hard* sector disks in CP/M format. I need these files transferred to a DOS machine. Any suggestions? I've looked at several CP/M to DOS conversion packages (software), but none will handle hard sectored disks. Please email, as I can't keep up with the volume here. Thanks in advance! -- --------------------------------------- | Greg Philmon ...gatech!dekalb!greg | --------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 90 11:21:31 GMT From: uhccux!virtue!comp.vuw.ac.nz!munnari.oz.au!bunyip!iceman!zlraa@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ross Alford) Subject: Spell21 Message-ID: <859@iceman.jcu.oz> The question was: what sort of disks to use in a DSQD drive for 820k. The poster tried HD disks, and they didn't work. Not surprising: HD disks have greater coercivity, meaning they are more resistant to magnetisation, and need stronger write flux. This allows more sectors/track without adjacent regions affecting one another What you really want are DSQD disks, certified for quad density. I haven't seen these advertised for some time, but not to worry--I've thus far used over 150 DSDD disks at 720k in a TEAC quad drive and have had no failures, despite using a variety of no-name generic disks. If you are a worrier, run a verify program after formatting. DSQD disks, when they were available, were simply standard disks that had been tested at quad density. Ross Alford zlraa@iceman.jcu.oz ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 90 11:29:05 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!harrier.ukc.ac.uk!ads1@uunet.uu.net (A.D.Smith) Subject: Super Brain Message-ID: <5164@harrier.ukc.ac.uk> Hi, I wonder if anyone out there has a a copy of the two CPM booting discs for an ancient Super Brain computer. I've got one but I need the discs. The Super Brain was a stand alone computer with two five and a quater inch disc drives. It has two Z80a's in it and has an off white case containing keyboard, monitor and disc drives. If you have got a copy I would be most grateful for one, I'll pay postage etc. Please email me, ads1@ukc.ac.uk or 'phone me on 0227 764000 Ext 3767, during office hours, or reply to this article. Thanks, Adrian Dornford Smith. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 90 02:00:43 GMT From: sci34hub!cdthq!gary@uunet.uu.net (gary) Subject: What disk for an 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drive Message-ID: UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes: > Well, the subject about says it all. I would like to know where I can get > disks which will work in my 96tpi 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drives which > Montezuma Micro CP/M will format to 820K. I just bought a box of Kodak MD"-H > disks which are rated at 96tpi, but they do not format, every track fails > the verify pass. These disks are made for high density drives (1.2Meg). Swap the 1.2M discs with someone using an AT clone. They have a different oxide coating from regular discs, which is why you had a formatting problem. The easiest thing to do is buy DSDD 360K discs. There is no difference between these and "certified" 80tk floppies other than the certification. For that matter, all the single and double side single and double density discs are cut from the same sheet of media, including 48tpi and 96tpi. I've never had any problems using DSDD floppies for 80tk drives, and in fact have always bought the cheapest name-brand disc I could find. (The absolute cheapest is probably not a good idea, I at least want some idea of the manufacturers' background.) The manufacturers punch a pile of "biscuits", as the media is called, and start certifying at the highest level the media is capable of until they fill their orders for this batch. Then, they step down to the next lower level until it's filled, and so on. At worst, I think you'll find 1 disc in 20 that won't format correctly, which is bunches cheaper than Radio Shack 80tk discs. Gary Heston, at home.... ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #124 ************************************* 26-Jul-90 08:25:40-MDT,9907;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 90 08:15:12 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #125 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <900726081513.V90N125@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 26 Jul 90 Volume 90 : Issue 125 Today's Topics: Lance's T's question about quad dens disks.. Old XEROX system needs help... simtel20 archives Simtel mail server SLIP sources? What disk for an 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drive Z-system in UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 90 09:34 EDT From: Brainwave Surfer Subject: Lance's T's question about quad dens disks.. Dear Lance.... since this probably is of general interest.... Single and Double-density disketts have a lower magnetic hysteresis and are easier for read/write heads to maniplulate the magnetic particles. Quad-density disks are higher, and corresponds to metal cassette tapes, you can read them all day long, but you can't record onto them since the normal cassette tapes can't "flip" the magnets on the tape. It seems like your drive is of the lower density version, and the disks are of a higher dens. I got this from the info-dec-micro list, by the way. I use el cheapos from Babbages, double dens double sided, and my VT180 single dens single sided loves them. I tried "flippies" for a while, but disk management becomes a problem.. hope this helps!!!! /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew AGNEW@VCURUBY.BITNET, / > || Neurosurgery, AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU This tape will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, Va five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." > INFO-CPM Digest V90 #123 > What disk for an 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drive >Well, the subject about says it all. I would like to know where I can get >disks which will work in my 96tpi 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drives which >Montezuma Micro CP/M will format to 820K. I just bought a box of Kodak MD"-HD >disks which are rated at 96tpi, but they do not format, every track fails >the verify pass. These disks are made for high density drives (1.2Meg). > >In the past, I have found Radio Shack 80tk 5.25" disks to work well, and also >some brands of 48tpi disks. What is different about the high density disks >that they will not work properly on my drives? Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu or ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 90 06:26:05 PDT (Thursday) From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM Subject: Old XEROX system needs help... Message-ID: <900726-062601-4348@Xerox> >From: att!cbnewsm!wabit@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (david.w.mundhenk) >Subject: Old XEROX system needs help... >Message-ID: <1990Jul9.150653.14988@cbnewsm.att.com> >A friend is trying to make use of an old CP/M XEROX >word processing system. I can't seem to find the model >number at the moment, but it was an alphanumeric; the >system doesn't seem to have a model name. It has 2 >8" floppy drives. >when powered on, the system comes up with 3 choices: >typewriter, wordprocessor, or host terminal (or similar >descriptions). Maybe this will help identify the system. My original reply did not go through for some reason. Others have spoken up about this, but I thought I would still add my 2 cents. As was said, the Xerox 820 computer (820, 820-II, or 16/8) do NOT have an option on power up for "wordprocessor". The Xerox 820 gives you two options; "typewriter" and "load". The Xerox 820-II (and 16/8) give you those two options, plus "terminal". In addition, as someone pointed out, this could be an 860, which was a CP/M based word processing "work station". Because this system has two drives (and three power up options), I suspect it is an 820-II. It's been a while since I have seen one (and I never used one), but I think the Xerox 860 had only one drive. David, get in touch with me. I can get you a system disk for any one of the Xerox 820 computers. In additon, I receintly got some software and the users manuals for the Xerox 860 (I bought an old 820-II, and this stuff was included with it). If anyone needs information on them, maybe I can now help. ~ Mike NS: Sprague:Wbst311:Xerox GV: Sprague.henr ARPA: Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 90 15:17:47 GMT From: asuvax!mcdphx!mcdchg!laidbak!luke@noao.edu (Luke Weerts) Subject: simtel20 archives Message-ID: <1990Jul25.151747.621@i88.isc.com> In article <12281@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> vzb@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Rieser) writes: >I've seen a few references to the SIMTEL20 Archives. >How does one access them? >Is there any PD CP/M code which can be ftp'ed? > >Thanks, >Mike Assuming you have Internet access: ftp wsmr-simtel20.army.mil user: anonymous This is a TOPS system. You'll find the CP/M stuff by: cd pd2: To transfer binary files you'll need to use the 'tenex' file type. Luke -- Luke Weerts, Software Technologies Group | luke@i88.isc.com INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL | ...!{sun,ico}!laidbak!luke ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 90 04:54:56 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Dick@apple.com (dick a wotiz) Subject: Simtel mail server Message-ID: <32093@cup.portal.com> I've been trying to get an index of some of the directories on the Simtel archive server at RPI, but it only lists files that are less that 30 days old. Does anyone know if there's a way to list all files in a particular directory? Sometimes the best ones are the oldest... Dick Wotiz dick@portal.com uunet!portal!dick ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 90 11:55:00 EDT From: "MAPLE::SNIPEHUNT" Subject: SLIP sources? Greetings! I'm seeking sources on the Internet or bulletin boards for SLIP (Serial Line Internet Protocol) for cpm. Our campus network has several SLIP ports available, and I had it in mind to try hooking my machine at home into the network and thus provide myself with a semi-permanent email address ungoverned by the (sometimes irritating) downtime schedules around here. :-) Does anyone know of any places on the Internet from which I could FTP a SLIP package? Or perhaps a PC-Pursuitable bbs with SLIP available to download? Bruce H. McIntosh snipehunt@oak.circa.ufl.edu Go Gators! ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 90 23:41:52 GMT From: mtxinu!sybase!ataraxy!thorick@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Thorick Chow) Subject: What disk for an 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drive Message-ID: <10254@sybase.sybase.com> In article <5FDA2283DFBFE01D36@uwplatt.edu> UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes: >Hello all, > >Well, the subject about says it all. I would like to know where I can get >disks which will work in my 96tpi 80tk ds dd Tandon TM101-4 drives which >Montezuma Micro CP/M will format to 820K. I just bought a box of Kodak MD"-HD >disks which are rated at 96tpi, but they do not format, every track fails >the verify pass. These disks are made for high density drives (1.2Meg). > I have a Morrow Micro-decision with a 96tpi DSDD drive. The Non-HD 96tpi diskettes are out there. I've seen them in some well stocked office supply stores. In the past I've gotten Memorex 96tpi DSDD diskettes mailorder. I've also gotten Dysan 96tpi DSDD diskettes special order from friendly computer stores (stay away from Whole Earth). -thorick ....................................................................... All of the above is from Thorick Chow - DoD #129, and not Sybase, Inc.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Toys: Interests: Currently Curious About: Yamaha FJ1100, XS650 Tai Chi Chuan The meaning of the movie Kawasaki KZ440, Campy-Frejus Physics (Theory) title: "Spetters". Ruger P-85, MKII ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 90 01:16:45 PDT From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Z-system in UK Message-ID: <0093A3A2AEFE5780.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> The CP/M User Group (UK) aka. CPMMSDOSUGUK is a good source of technical information on CP/M machines - backnumbers of their newsletters and journals (two different publications) are full of information. At the moment they are going through a rough patch, since the people who started the organisation c. 1980 are running out of time, but I trust that they will recover. I wrote them an article on the Z-system some time last year, but haven't seen it published - possibly it was lost in the shuffle, or possibly they are waiting for the next issue. The Society's address has just changed, and is now: CPMMSDOSUGUK 43 Birbeck Road Wimbledon London SW19 8NZ Tel: 01-543-0824 (temporary number) Hope this helps - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #125 *************************************