2-May-91 03:21:05-MDT,9190;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 May 91 03:15:07 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #84 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910502031508.V91N84@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 2 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 84 Today's Topics: C compilers CPM offline reader for Fidonet. Dave Goodenough Rainbow to 386 file transfer. re: CPM to DOS utility Re: Finding System Software. Telcon Zorba Utility ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 May 91 09:33:23 GMT From: fernwood!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!ideal!mds@apple.com (Impedantzer (EMP)) Subject: C compilers Message-ID: Every once in a while people ask for C-compilers. I got the Hi-Tech C in England and I like it :-). The Hi-Tech C was used for the excellent program zmp; one of the reasons why I chose that compiler among others. One of the main features of Hi-Tech is that it is ANSI compatible, so most of the programs written today should compile with little or no modification. All hackers will appreciate that all library modules are supplied in source code. Well, nobody is perfect and the Hi-Tech C has some rough edges but I have been able to work my way around them with no problems at all. I can post what I have found out if people are interested. As for the price; it is not cheap, 120 britsh pounds or 200++ $ (?), but I think it is worth the money. And now the most important thing; where to get it: GREY MATTER 2 Prigg Meadow Ashburton Devon TQ 13 7DF England Tel. (0364) 53499 As a final remark I want to point out that I have no personal interest in GREY MATTER, so this is nothing but a friedly hint to fellow CP/M users. -- Michael Michael Dantzer-Sorensen e-mail: mds@id.dth.dk Department of Computer Science Tel. +45 45 93 12 22 ext. 3761 Building 344 & 345 Fax. +45 42 88 45 30 Technical University of Denmark DK-2800 Lyngby ------------------------------ Date: 1 May 91 21:54:29 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: CPM offline reader for Fidonet. Message-ID: I hope adverts are allowed in here... CRR is the CP/M offline reader for use with bulletin boards which run XRSDoor (RAX, QMX, etc.) It runs on any Z80 CPM 2.2 (or later) system with 42K TPA. If you are interested, please ask for the file "CRR0110.ZIP" on your local Fidonet board. (They can get it from the same place they got XRS and XRSDoor.) -- Paul Martin E-mail: pm.nowster@tharr.uucp Fido: 2:250/107.3 ------------------------------ Date: 29 Apr 91 22:25:16 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Dave Goodenough Message-ID: I've been trying for ages to get hold of Dave Goodenough at his "dg@pallio.uucp" address with no success. Even routing through wet.uucp gets no results. Has anyone contacted him recently, and if so what address did you use? -- Paul Martin pm.nowster@tharr.uucp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 91 10:12:31 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Rainbow to 386 file transfer. Wow ! 1-Your Rainbow, as you say yourself, runs MSDOS 2.05 (and there are more recent versions which you do not need for this purpose) and is perfectly able to read and write 5.25 in diskettes formatted on your 386 machine provided you format them SINGLE SIDED, 40 or 80 tracks, on the 386 (specially if 40 tracks). ========== 2-Even if you insist running the Rainbow under CP/M-86 only, you still can read and write IBM-PC formatted diskettes, one-sided only of course, using the MediaMaster commercial program on either the Rainbow or 386, or the 22DISK utility found on SIMTEL-20/MSDOS and replica servers. The latter however will only work on your 386 and only if your 386 has an 80 tracks 5.25in diskette drive. 3-A third solution is to use Kermit to move files around. At 19200 bauds the transfer of what you can type in does not add much time to the typing job! 4-The VT102 supersedes VT100 emulation. In fact we use Rainbows here as VT100, VT102, VT220, without the slightest difficulty. Watch the setup menu! If you experienced a problem, make sure that the emulation is set TO ANSI, and if your communication insists on other than NONE parity (some IBM controllers do), use 7 bits character coding. You have full VT220 compatibility, except, I think, that you cannot program 80/132 col. mode from the host but must do it manually. 5-Contrarily to what too many people believe, the Rainbow efficiently runs almost ANY MSDOS software, except games and closed packages developped for maximal display speed bypassing DOS calls, and of course any graphics based application. It may be difficult to reach that configuration today, but I hold in my lab a Rainbow with 768k memory (not 640...) and a 20 Mb hard disk, and won't give it out so quickly. The JOVE editor is more than you need for any editing job, thus I use it on the Rainbow and other PC's. Any serious compiler works just the same (I use FORTRAN a lot). TeX runs smoothly with an excellent Previewer. Clearly, Supermarket software fails, but for real scientific work it ain't a bad machine at all, even in 1991. The problem is, if yours is bare with 2 diskettes and 256k only, then of course you must forget about TeX and such things that need more RAM and/or lots of disk space. Jacques Goldberg, Prof. of Physics, Technion ------------------------------ Date: 1 May 91 21:55:07 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cc-server4.massey.ac.nz!P.B.Halverson@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (P.B. Halverson) Subject: re: CPM to DOS utility Message-ID: <1991May1.215507.12141@massey.ac.nz> 2 May 1991 If you are looking for a program to make your DOS drive emulate just about any CPM drive, try 22DISK from Sydex. As shareware, it can fake more than 200 CPM disk formats. If you register (or buy direct) for only $15, they will custom write a parameter file for your drive if one is not included already. My CPM disk is for an Epson 3.5" laptop that is about as non-standard as a disk gets. The folks at Sydex made it possible for me to pop a floppy in my PC and read, write, and even format my Epson disks! I can't rate the product highly enough - or the people. 22DISK Sydex P.O. Box 5700 Eugene, OR 97405 Voice:503 683 6033 FAX: 503 683 1622 BBS:503 683 1385 Cheers, Philip Halverson Massey University New Zealand ------------------------------ Date: 29 Apr 91 13:30:06 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!gmuvax2!gmuvax.gmu.edu!dstalder@louie.udel.edu Subject: Re: Finding System Software. Message-ID: <1991Apr29.083006.51299@gmuvax.gmu.edu> In article <1991Apr25.151848.21032@umbc3.umbc.edu>, ac999303@umbc5.umbc.edu (ac999303) writes: > schwartz@liszt.CES.CWRU.Edu (David Schwartz) writes: > >>Last week I bought an antique OSBORNE 1 computer. It seems to be in >>good working order but I have no system software. > > I'm in the same boat. A friend gave me a Kaypro 4 several days ago, > sans any diskettes. I have the manuals for the box, plus those for > CP/M 2.0 (addendums to 2.2), CBASIC, S-BASIC, MS BASIC, Kaypro WORD, > and Microplan. I have some Kaypro II boot disks and system software. I don't think that they will work but I could make copies of them for you or other Kaypro users out there. I might have some Osborne 1 boot disks laying around somewhere. The question is where. Send me a note in a few days and I will have hopefully found them. -- Blessed Torin/Darren Stalder/Wolf Be! Internet: dstalder@gmuvax.gmu.edu Hail Bitnet: dstalder@gmuvax Eris! ATTnet: (W) 1-703-824-6424 (H) 1-703-690-1076 Snail: 10310 Main St., Suite 110/Fairfax, VA/22033/USA DISCLAIMER: A society where such disclaimers are needed is saddening. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 91 15:41:36 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: Telcon Zorba Utility Message-ID: Does anyone have a copy of UNIFORM or some other utility that allows read/write/format of IBM 5.25-inch disks on a Telcon Zorba that they'd be willing to part with for something less than a symphony? Can't quite figure out how to get FE-IBM (from FE-IBM.ARK) going. Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman K7UIJ -- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #84 ************************************ 3-May-91 11:23:55-MDT,10760;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 May 91 11:15:20 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #85 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910503111524.V91N85@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 3 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 85 Today's Topics: FTP site for CPM. Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs ! Kaypro 10 HD problem need vt100 terminal emulator Re: Dave Goodenough Re: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs ! Re: Link between DEC Rainbow and '386 (2 msgs) SIMTEL20 address change ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Apr 91 09:14:32 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!brispoly!cj_watts@uunet.uu.net (Chris Watts ) Subject: FTP site for CPM. Message-ID: <1991Apr30.091432.21139@g2.brispoly.ac.uk> Can the person who posted the list of ftp sites for CPM please email me a copy as I have mislaid mine. Thanks in advance Chris Watts ******************************************************************************* Email: cj_watts@g2.brispoly.ac.uk cj_watts@p1.brispoly.ac.uk ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 91 19:39:44 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!gvgpsa!gold.gvg.tek.com!grege@uunet.uu.net (Greg Ebert) Subject: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs ! Message-ID: <2252@gold.gvg.tek.com> I've been doing some assembly language programming on my Northstar advantage, and the CP/M 2.0 assembler sometimes 'hangs' - No errors, etc. I have to punch to reset switch. I found that if I sprinkle NOP instructions throughout the source code (and NO other changes), it finally assembles without errors after several trial/error iterations. Does anyone know *what* causes the assembler to hang, and how to *predictably* avoid the bug ? Thanks. grege@gold.gvg.tek.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 91 11:55:30 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!cavebbs!lesley@uunet.uu.net (Lesley Walker) Subject: Kaypro 10 HD problem Message-ID: <1991May02.115530.6985@cavebbs.gen.nz> I have a Kaypro 10 which was given to me with the comment "the hard disk seems to be a bit sick". Well, I couldn't get anything out of the HD at all, and having obtained the formatting program, I found that I couldn't format it either. So I concluded that the drive had died altogher. However, I have obtained a "new" 10MB HD, and it exhibits the same symptoms when I try to format it. The error messages I get are "Fatal error formatting cylinder 0 head 0, press ESC to continue" followed by "Drive rejected, unable to write map on track 0" Since it does the same thing with both drives, perhaps it isn't the drive after all... Does anyone have any ideas as to what I should try next? (After I check the cables out, that is :-) The controller is a Western Digital 1002, the original HD is a Seagate ST212, and the new HD is an NEC D5124 and has been tested in an MS-DOS machine. The formatting program is the official Kaypro one. -- The Leather Goddess - DoD#258 * lesley@cavebbs.gen.nz Wellington, NZ. Yamaha XV1000 * Lesley.Walker@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 91 14:00:50 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!trantor.harris-atd.com!x102a!lcook@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (cook lawrence 01316) Subject: need vt100 terminal emulator Message-ID: <6186@trantor.harris-atd.com> Hi, I have a Kaypro IV '84 which I use quite a bit as a terminal. Currently, I am using the term program on the original CP/M system disk. This program apparently uses polling and misses multiple characters. I would be interested in obtaining a vt100 type emulator which does not loose characters! :-) Also I don't currently have the capability to download software onto my system so I would appreciate it if anyone could mail me a floppy. If you can help please send e-mail and we can make further arrangements. Thanks! Larry -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____ internet: lcook@x102a.ess.harris.com Larry Cook \ / uucp: uunet!x102a!lcook \/ phone: 407-729-3062 opinions my own. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 1 May 91 16:43:20 GMT From: usc!rpi!sci.ccny.cuny.edu!dsndata!unocss!fg041@ucsd.edu (fg041) Subject: Re: Dave Goodenough Message-ID: <3259@unocss.unomaha.edu> In article pm.nowster@tharr.UUCP (Paul Martin) writes: >I've been trying for ages to get hold of Dave Goodenough at his >"dg@pallio.uucp" address with no success. Even routing through >wet.uucp gets no results. He has moved from the Boston area to the Bay area. His machine had several links, some of which I could never get to work. The one I have on file for him that worked fine was simply wet!dg. I always route uunet!wet!dg because I know that is sure to work. Good day! JSW (winslade@zeus.unomaha.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 91 04:40:09 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!fmgst@ucsd.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: Re: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs ! Message-ID: <123557@unix.cis.pitt.edu> In article <2252@gold.gvg.tek.com> grege@gold.gvg.tek.com (Greg Ebert) writes: >I've been doing some assembly language programming on my Northstar >advantage, and the CP/M 2.0 assembler sometimes 'hangs' - No errors, etc. >I have to punch to reset switch. > >I found that if I sprinkle NOP instructions throughout the source code >(and NO other changes), it finally assembles without errors after >several trial/error iterations. Does anyone know *what* causes >the assembler to hang, and how to *predictably* avoid the bug ? Greetings. I don't know about assembler but if I try to compile a basic program that does not have a complete last line (ie. return pressed on last line) it won't hang... well, actually, it will read forever... Take care. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years Filip Gieszczykiewicz "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-) FMGST@PITTVMS or fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu "My ideas. ALL MINE!!" ------------------------------ Date: 1 May 91 19:39:51 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!ox.com!emory!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!tellab5!laidbak!amiganet!austral!rrezaian@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Russell Rezaian) Subject: Re: Link between DEC Rainbow and '386 Message-ID: In article <796@cadlab.sublink.ORG> albani@cadlab.sublink.ORG (albani) writes: > >Hi! > >I've bought a second hand DEC Rainbow 100 with CP/M & MsDos 2.05 >I use that beast as a VT102 terminal (so NO VT100 emulation... :-) > >But sometime, when my bigger machine is polling FidoNet (no multitask >with BNU & Binkley...), I would like to editing something on the Rainbow. > >But the problem is the disk format: incompatible with my other machine. Is even the MS-Dos format incompatible? >How to set up a link (via serial cable) with my 386 in CP/M (I like RED)? >I remember something about PIP... [.sig deleted] You could try (On the dec): PIP A:FOO.BAR=TTY: and on the PC end: COPY FOO.BAR COM1: (Or whatever the port is called...) The thing to remember is that a Ctrl-Z must be sent as an EOF to get PIP to close the file. It would be simple to try to get the disks compatible, but if you can't this should work. -- Russell Rezaian | rrezaian@austral.UUCP P.O. Box 479 | rrezaian@amiganet.chi.il.us Naperville, Il. 60566-0479 | "One is best punished for one's USA | Virtues." Nietzsche. ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 91 16:02:34 GMT From: stan!imp@uunet.uu.net (Warner Losh) Subject: Re: Link between DEC Rainbow and '386 Message-ID: <1991May3.160234.25340@solbourne.com> In article <796@cadlab.sublink.ORG> albani@cadlab.sublink.ORG (albani) writes: >>But the problem is the disk format: incompatible with my other machine. In article rrezaian@austral.UUCP (Russell Rezaian) writes: >Is even the MS-Dos format incompatible? As some other people have pointed out, the Rainbow can read single sided PC disks (180K, oh boy. Stop don't tease me like that). It can also write to freshly formatted (on the PC) singled sided disks with some degree of reliability (eg, don't delete it off the Rainbow until it is on the PC), but since you want to go the other way, that is cool. There is something called I-Drive that will allow you to connect a real PC disk (5.25 or 3.5, no HD) to the Rainbow. It costs $$$$. There is also a freely available 3.5" driver for the Rainbow available, but you need to get your own 3.5" floppy and install it yourself. Look at the announcement that I'll be posting to comp.sys.dec.micro tomorrow for details. Warner -- Warner Losh imp@Solbourne.COM Does this mean we can't use your phone? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 1991 03:36 MDT From: Keith Petersen Subject: SIMTEL20 address change Message-ID: The new primary address for WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL is 192.88.110.20, with our Class A MILNET address, 26.2.0.74, as our secondary address. We expect the secondary 26.2.0.74 Class A connection to MILNET to be DISCONNECTED on or about 20 May so that we can use that in-house circuit to meet a WESTNET-provided circuit to NSFNET. Please replace all references to 26.2.0.74 with 192.88.110.20 now, so you don't get an unreachable after 20 May and wonder why. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives - [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #85 ************************************ 5-May-91 18:24:01-MDT,13531;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 May 91 18:15:04 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #86 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910505181505.V91N86@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 5 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 86 Today's Topics: Got a cpmmachine but..... HD for KAYPRO II Hi-tech C Compiler Re: C compilers (3 msgs) Re: need vt100 terminal emulator what do ya think? (5 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 May 91 04:14:58 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!sarah!leah.albany.edu!hp6534@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Harry Polishook) Subject: Got a cpmmachine but..... Message-ID: <1991May5.041458.21758@sarah.albany.edu> Greetings all, a friend o mine recently obtained a Molecular (?) computer of some sort, recently replaced by a 386 in a video rental store, the problem is.... it is just fine for running a video store but won't do anything else..... ok what he tells me is : he can't access the floppy drive, you can only get at the os through some contorted sequence of commands the video software don't like you to shell out the video software boots up automatically. A B and C drives are the hard drive (a 20mb) It is a really neato computer ( 3 terminals multiuser) but we would like it to do more than rent videos can any one help? gracias in advance hp6534@leah.albany.edu Harry Polishook ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 91 20:15:39 GMT From: swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!mris.larc.nasa.gov!jka@ucsd.edu (J. Keith Alston) Subject: HD for KAYPRO II Message-ID: <1991May3.201539.22376@news.larc.nasa.gov> Hello, I'm looking for a HD and controller for a KAYPRO II. I have no idea what to buy or where to look. I'd like something that would also run in a 386, if thats possible. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- "In this world you must be OH so smart or OH so pleasant... I recommend pleasant"----> Elwood P. Dowd Lockheed Eng. and Sci. Co./Nasa Larc|J. Keith Alston jka@snow.larc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 91 18:45:33 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: Hi-tech C Compiler Message-ID: In article , Michael Dantzer-Sorensen writes: >Every once in a while people ask for C-compilers. > >I got the Hi-Tech C in England and I like it :-). The Hi-Tech C was >used for the excellent program zmp; one of the reasons why I chose that >compiler among others. One of the main features of Hi-Tech is that it >is ANSI compatible, so most of the programs written today should >compile with little or no modification. All hackers will appreciate >that all library modules are supplied in source code. Well, nobody >is perfect and the Hi-Tech C has some rough edges but I have been able >to work my way around them with no problems at all. I can post what I >have found out if people are interested. As for the price; it is not >cheap, 120 britsh pounds or 200++ $ (?), but I think it is worth the >money. One of those "rough edges" is that the object code generated by the compiler does not protect the Z80 X and Y registers over calls to the BDOS/BIOS. Thus, code generated by this compiler cannot be run on machines whose CP/M BIOS implimentation destroys the X and Y registers unless the BIOS is modified. For instance, Zmp (fine program though it may be) will not run on a Telcon Zorba without rewriting the BIOS (something I am loath to do since my BIOS has been modified to accommodate speech-access). For **so** much money, it seems to me, one ought to expect better! -- Mike Freeman K7UIJ -- ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 13:48:26 GMT From: mintaka!think.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!dave@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Dave Horsfall) Subject: Re: C compilers Message-ID: <1991May5.134826.2129@ips.oz.au> Please post anything you have found. I am a happy user of Hi-Tech C here in Australia, and apart from the occasional bug or two (which sadly will never be fixed - no longer supported and all that) I've found it to be superb! Sure leaves for dead the BDS-C rubbish... Those ANSI-C function prototypes are in particular a real life-saver! To quote Henry Spencer: "Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I feel in order to be called a C compiler, it ought to at least compile C." Hi-Tech "C" will compile "C"... Now, does anyone have a C++ front-end for CP/M? 1/2 :-) -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC dave@ips.OZ.AU ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 13:48:26 GMT From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!dave@apple.com (Dave Horsfall) Subject: Re: C compilers Message-ID: <1991May5.134826.2129@ips.oz.au> Please post anything you have found. I am a happy user of Hi-Tech C here in Australia, and apart from the occasional bug or two (which sadly will never be fixed - no longer supported and all that) I've found it to be superb! Sure leaves for dead the BDS-C rubbish... Those ANSI-C function prototypes are in particular a real life-saver! To quote Henry Spencer: "Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I feel in order to be called a C compiler, it ought to at least compile C." Hi-Tech "C" will compile "C"... Now, does anyone have a C++ front-end for CP/M? 1/2 :-) -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC dave@ips.OZ.AU ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 13:48:26 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!dave@ucsd.edu (Dave Horsfall) Subject: Re: C compilers Message-ID: <1991May5.134826.2129@ips.oz.au> Please post anything you have found. I am a happy user of Hi-Tech C here in Australia, and apart from the occasional bug or two (which sadly will never be fixed - no longer supported and all that) I've found it to be superb! Sure leaves for dead the BDS-C rubbish... Those ANSI-C function prototypes are in particular a real life-saver! To quote Henry Spencer: "Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I feel in order to be called a C compiler, it ought to at least compile C." Hi-Tech "C" will compile "C"... Now, does anyone have a C++ front-end for CP/M? 1/2 :-) -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC dave@ips.OZ.AU ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave ------------------------------ Date: 4 May 91 22:14:20 GMT From: nuchat!farwest!f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG!MARC.NEWMAN@uunet.uu.net (MARC NEWMAN) Subject: Re: need vt100 terminal emulator Message-ID: <35.282348DB@farwest.FIDONET.ORG> Try MEX+, it has a good VT100 emulator and is only about $95. You can get it from Jay Sage, I think. -- MARC NEWMAN - via FidoNet node 1:106/365 UUCP: uunet!nuchat!farwest!601!MARC.NEWMAN INTERNET: MARC.NEWMAN@f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!fmgst@apple.com (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: what do ya think? Message-ID: <124495@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those whose machines support a hard drive. I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive. Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms I'll take best offer. Take care. P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk) P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you wouldn't complain ;-) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years Filip Gieszczykiewicz "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-) FMGST@PITTVMS or fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu "My ideas. ALL MINE!!" ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!fmgst@apple.com (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: what do ya think? Message-ID: <124495@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those whose machines support a hard drive. I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive. Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms I'll take best offer. Take care. P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk) P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you wouldn't complain ;-) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years Filip Gieszczykiewicz "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-) FMGST@PITTVMS or fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu "My ideas. ALL MINE!!" ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!fmgst@ucsd.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: what do ya think? Message-ID: <124495@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those whose machines support a hard drive. I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive. Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms I'll take best offer. Take care. P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk) P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you wouldn't complain ;-) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years Filip Gieszczykiewicz "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-) FMGST@PITTVMS or fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu "My ideas. ALL MINE!!" ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT From: wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!fmgst@decwrl.dec.com (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: what do ya think? Message-ID: <124495@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those whose machines support a hard drive. I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive. Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms I'll take best offer. Take care. P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk) P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you wouldn't complain ;-) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years Filip Gieszczykiewicz "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-) FMGST@PITTVMS or fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu "My ideas. ALL MINE!!" ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!fmgst@apple.com (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: what do ya think? Message-ID: <124495@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those whose machines support a hard drive. I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive. Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms I'll take best offer. Take care. P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk) P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you wouldn't complain ;-) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years Filip Gieszczykiewicz "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-) FMGST@PITTVMS or fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu "My ideas. ALL MINE!!" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #86 ************************************ 8-May-91 14:15:06-MDT,9567;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 8-May-91 14:03:31 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 8 May 91 14:03:31 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #87 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910508140331.V91N87@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 8 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 87 Today's Topics: Address wanted Anyone compiled XLISP under MIX C before ? Attack of the assembler bugs Avatar Boot Disk Looking for a CPM -> DOS utility Re: BIOS Problems with Zilog Registers Re: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs ! zgrep.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 May 91 13:44+0200 From: CPM%mzdmza.zdv.uni-mainz.de@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Address wanted Can anyone tell me the mailing address of Doug Braun? I have lost it. (Doug, if you read this, please contact me.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ruediger Soerensen, University of Mainz, W. Germany dpt. of atm. physics BITNET: ROGER@DMZRZU71 CPM@DMZRZU71 paper mail: R. Soerensen Universitaet Mainz Inst. f. Physik der Atmosphaere D-6500 Mainz 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 91 05:51:27 -0400 From: secrist@msdsws.ENET.DEC.COM (Garbage In, Gospel Out) Subject: Anyone compiled XLISP under MIX C before ? Message-ID: <9105070951.AA05605@decuac.DEC.COM> I just bought MIX C for CP/M on 8" and am attempting to build XLISP with it. Does anyone remember what changes it required or which options you took ? Using Aztec (which I don't have for CP/M) I believe there are some '.ASM files for the I/O, so I'm not sure about taking those set of options. I am laboring over V1.2, but will consider V1.1. Mix C seems to win price/performance wise, per other notes seen here. Regards, rcs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 91 12:33 EDT From: He did! He did get married bare-footed! Subject: Attack of the assembler bugs Hi! Would you care to tell us more details? E.g., which computer, which release of CP/M, which assembler, etc? Here are some bugs that I am aware of: Older versions of probgrams written by David Goodenough hangs when the systems make use of alternate registers... Maybe your system does this only rarely or makes a mistake once in a while. If the source code is too large or the object code too large, z1.com tends to hang-some kind of pointer overflow, I presume. -John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 91 10:19:17 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: Avatar Boot Disk Message-ID: <9105061019.AA15654@LL.MIT.EDU> Someone here in the Boston area just acquired a second-hand Avatar computer, but, as usual, the person who sold him the hardware had lost track of almost all the documentation and software -- there is one partially damaged boot disk, just enough to get the machine running. With some effort (using Uniform and DU), I was able to make a set of additional boot diskettes. However, we would be very grateful to anyone who could provide us with copies of the complete Avatar software and documentation. The new owner cleaned up the equipment, and it now looks almost brand new! It would be nice to see the machine restored to a productive life. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jay Sage, SAGE@LL.MIT.EDU CP/M Subgroup Director Boston Computer Society ZITEL User Group ------------------------------ Date: 30 Apr 91 16:38:06 GMT From: att!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!colten@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (marc.colten) Subject: Looking for a CPM -> DOS utility Message-ID: <1991Apr30.163806.25703@cbfsb.att.com> I own a Kaypro II and have a large embedded base of writings, correspondence, C programs, etc. etc. etc. I am in the process of buying a 386 based, IBM compatible computer and I want to retrieve all of the data on my floppy disks. Years ago we used a utility that would read any number of disk formats (including Kaypro) in the drive of a DOS machine. Now, when I ask at computer stores, all I get is a blank look. Does anyone know a utility that will do this? If you could also supply the price and a source (chain or mail order) for such a program I would really appreciate it. Please reply by e-mail, since I may miss a response otherwise. Thanks in advance marc colten ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 91 20:37:26 GMT From: mintaka!think.com!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Re: BIOS Problems with Zilog Registers Message-ID: <4sLJ21w163w@austex> tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de (Tilmann Reh) writes: > Wouldn't it be better to fight the reason for the problem instead of the > results? As I pointed out some time ago, *NO* program is allowed to trust in > the values of *ANY* register after a BDOS or BIOS call (quoting the CP/M-3 > programmers manual). So why does noone search for the error-causing passage > in UCRLZH and corrects it? (Then it would run on *every* machine, of course!) CP/M was written for the Intel 8080, and all DRI versions (including, I believe CPM3) are 8080 compatible, meaning that they >>don't<< use the special Z80 registers. The CP/M BDOS, therefore, will preserve the Z80 registers since it knows nothing about them and makes no use of them. It was generally accepted industry practice on Z80 based machines to extend this principle to individual machine BIOS code as well, and with only a few exceptions, all Z80 based computers which use the special Z80 registers save and restore them. Since this rather sound principle was never, to my knowledge, incorporated into any sort of industry-wide agreement, these few exceptions did slip through to cause trouble. Since there are a substantial number of programs outstanding which operate on the assumption that the Z80 special registers are preserved across system calls, Jay Sage's suggestion makes more sense than trying to fix >>every<< program which makes this assumption. A BIOS fix for every computer which fails to preserve the Z80 registers can be easily standardized. A fix for every program which assumes that they are preserved cannot. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: austex!roadhog@emx.utexas.edu BBS: 512-259-1261 (Znode 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 20:10:31 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!tellab5!laidbak!amiganet!austral!rrezaian@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Russell Rezaian) Subject: Re: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs ! Message-ID: In article <2252@gold.gvg.tek.com> grege@gold.gvg.tek.com (Greg Ebert) writes: >I've been doing some assembly language programming on my Northstar >advantage, and the CP/M 2.0 assembler sometimes 'hangs' - No errors, etc. >I have to punch to reset switch. It sounds like some of the internal symbol tables are getting out of hand. >I found that if I sprinkle NOP instructions throughout the source code >(and NO other changes), it finally assembles without errors after >several trial/error iterations. Does anyone know *what* causes >the assembler to hang, and how to *predictably* avoid the bug ? This would seem to indicate that there is something wrong with the the assembler itself. Simple soultion: try a different assembler. If you are using the standard CP/M ASM.COM try LASM, it is compatible, fast, and will let you have multiple source files. It came with CP/M Kermit and i have been using a lot since. If you want to do more complicated stuff, try to find M80, L80 from Microsoft. I don't think that they are still being made, but you might find someone witha package to sell. Unfortunatly these programs, whie excelent, are VERY obtuse when it cmes to command line options. I have to check my manual regularly when using them. >Thanks. You're welcome, hope I have been of some help. >grege@gold.gvg.tek.com -- Russell Rezaian | rrezaian@austral.UUCP P.O. Box 479 | rrezaian@amiganet.chi.il.us Naperville, Il. 60566-0479 | "One is best punished for one's USA | Virtues." Nietzsche. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 91 11:09:25 GMT From: Christopher Currie Subject: zgrep.com Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the z-system program zgrep.com? It doesn't seem to be listed in the Simtel20 directories, though my info may be somewhat out of date. Christopher Currie Institute of Historical Research University of London Senate House Malet Street London WC1E 7HU England ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #87 ************************************ 10-May-91 09:21:44-MDT,20815;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 May 91 09:15:22 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #88 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910510091523.V91N88@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 10 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 88 Today's Topics: CP/M system disks wanted/available Re: HD for KAYPRO II (2 msgs) zgrep? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 May 91 05:05:22 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: CP/M system disks wanted/available Message-ID: <1991May8.050522.21839@baron.uucp> DDDDDDD II NN NN OOOOOO SSSSSSSS II GGGGGGGG DD DD II NNN NN OO OO SS II GG DD DD II NN N NN OO OO **** SSSSSSSS II GG GGG DD DD II NN NNN OO OO SS II GG GG DDDDDDD II NN NN OOOOOO SSSSSSSS II GGGGGGGG Dina-SIG has requests for the following software, and would be very thankful for any assistance in obtaining it: Avatar (Z-80/8088) system disk Colonial Data Systems SB-80 (CP/M) system disk - 8" Systems Group SG-2800 (CP/M) system disk - 8" Bondwell Laptop (CP/M) system disk VICTOR 9000 (CP/M) system disk VISUAL Technology AMIGO (CP/M) system disk CP/M-68K Manuals (Digital Research Inc.) CP/M-68K software UCSD p-system software If you have any of these, or know anyone who does, please leave e-mail for me telling me about it or whom and how to contact. Many thanks. ======================================================= Following is the current list of system disks that we have available: CP/M System Disks as of 7 May 1991 8 IN Name Format Description CCS-CPM SSSD California Computer Systems 2810/2422@ 9600 baud CDOS236 SSDD CDOS v2.36 CDOS256 DSDD CDOS v2.56 (?) DLTADCPM SSSD Delta D CP/M v2.0 FLGCPM22 SSDD FFlag Computer CP/M 2.2 v1.31 system disk FLGCTRL2 SSDD FFlag Computer CP/M 2.2 control disk JADE-DD SSDD Jade Double D CP/M LIFEBOAT SSDD More Lifeboat CP/M for TRS-80 Model II PSY48K14 SSSD Psytech 48K CP/M v1.4 PSY48K20 SSSD Psytech 48K CP/M v2.0 & BIOS source TARBLCPM SSSD Tarbell FDC CP/M TRS2-P&T SSDD Pickles & Trout CP/M v2.2m for TRS Mod II w/RSHD TRSIILBT SSDD Lifeboat CP/M for TRS-80 Model II UNK64K22 SSSD Unknown 64K CP/M v2.2 w/Basic games WMBCPM3A SSDD WaveMate Bullet CP/M 3.0 system disk WMBCPM3B SSDD WaveMate Bullet CP/M 3.0 source files ZOBX-SDD SSDD Zobex CP/M TRSIIP&T ZIP TRS Model II Pickles & Trout CP/M files TRS2-P&T ZIP TRS Model II w/ RSHD P&T CP/M files ALSPA Name Format Description 61KCPM3B SSDD ACIDOS (CP/M) system disk 61KFILES ZIP Source and .COM files for Monitor, BIOS, etc. 61KSOURC ZIP Source files for BIOS, etc., basic & Corvus 61KUTILS ZIP Miscellaneous utilities ACI-CORV ZIP Corvus Hard disk related files MONDYNHD ZIP Monitor Dynamics HDC-101x related files ALTOS Name Format Description A5-5CPM2 DSDD CP/M 2.2 for Altos 5-5, 5-15 A5-5MPM2 DSDD MP/M 2 for Altos 5-5, 5-15 A8-2CPM1 SSSD CP/M 1.4 system disk for Altos 8000-2 A8-2CPM2 SSSD CP/M 2.21 for Altos 8000-2 (also UCSDP read prog) A8-2CPMF SSSD CP/M 2.22F2 for Altos 8000-2 A8-2DIAG SSSD CP/M diagnostics and utilities for Altos 8000-2 A8-2UCWP SSSD UCSD Pascal Editor for word processing for 8000-2 A82HUCP2 SSSD UCSD Pascal 2.0 system disk for Altos 8000-2 HFP A82SUCP2 SSSD UCSD Pascal 2.0 system disk for Aptos 8000-2 SFP UCPFRTRN SSSD UCSD Pascal Fortran Compiler ADAP (?) ALTOSBIO ZIP CBIOS222 source files AMPRO Name Format Description LB-CPM-G DSDD Little Board system disk LB-HDS-I DSDD Little Board system disk (hard disk?) LBSYSB DSDD Little Board system disk LBSYS-E DSDD Little Board system - enhanced ATARI Name Format Description ATR8000 DSDD CP/M 2.2 for SWP ATR8000 AUTOTERM SSSD Autoterminal program for Atari 400/800 ATR8000 ZIP All files from ATR8000.TD0 BIGBOARD Name Format Description 60KCPM22 SSSD CP/M 60K system disk X4ACPM22 SSSD CP/M system disk - variant 60KSOURC ZIP BIOS & other source files COMPUPRO Name Format Description ACT86 SSDD Sorcim ACT86 Assembler on CP/M-80 v2.2J system CPM8022H SSDD CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2H system disk CPM8022N SSDD CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2N system disk CPM822K1 SSDD CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2K system disk #1 CPM822K2 SSDD CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2K system disk #2 CPM822LD SSDD CompuPro/G & G Engrng CP/M-80 v2.2LD system disk CPM861PA DSDD CompuPro CP/M-86 v1.1PAA system disk CPM861PD DSDD CompuPro CP/M-86 v1.1PD system disk CPMPM816 SSDD CompuPro 8/16 MP/M @ 19.2K baud CROMEMCO Name Format Description CDOS256 DSDD Cromemco CDOS 2.56 DEC Rainbow Name Format Description DECDSTAR SSQD DATASTAR for Rainbow DECOVRBW SSQD Rainbow overview DECRBW86 SSQD DOS for Rainbow DECRBW96 SSQD DOS variant DECRSTAR SSQD REPORTSTAR for Rainbow DECWSTAR SSQD WORDSTAR DRCDUTIL SSQD CORVUS utilities DRCPM86 SSQD CP/M-86 for Rainbow DRDATSTR SSQD DATASTAR DRRPTSTR SSQD REPORTSTAR DRSYSOVR SSQD System overview DRWRDSTR SSQD WORDSTAR MDM9-CPM SSQD Modem 9 for CP/M PCOM-CPM SSQD Communications program - CP/M PCOM-DOS SSQD Communications program - DOS EAGLE Name Format Description EAGLII SSQD EAGLE II system disk EAGLII-A SSQD EAGLE II system disk w/ CBASIC EAGLIII DSQD EAGLE III system disk E-SPBNDR SSQD EAGLE word processor disk E-ULCALC SSQD EAGLE spreadsheet disk COMM ZIP Communications programs EAGLE ZIP System files MOVE-IT ZIP MOVE-IT (comm) files UTILS ZIP Miscellaneous utilities ICM/SDCC CPZ4800x Name Format Description ASCOMICM DSTD ASCOM communications program ICM-SDD SSDD ICM system disk SDCC-SDD SSDD SDCC system disk TD122-1 DSTD TURBODOS v 1.22 system disk 1 TD122-2 DSTD TURBODOS v 1.22 system disk 2 TD143-1 DSTD TURBODOS v 1.43 system disk 1 TD143-2 DSTD TURBODOS v 1.43 system disk 2 TD-BOOT DSTD TURBODOS boot disk CPM-MNTR ZIP CP/M monitor source files NOTE: DSTD is ICM TurboDOS DSDD format w/o boot track INTERTEC SUPERBRAIN & COMPUSTAR Name Format Description QD-BIOS4 DSDD System disk w/ experimental BIOS QD-UTILS DSDD System-specific utilities QD-ZCPR3 DSDD ZCPR BIOS and source QDHDBIOS DSDD Hard disk BIOSes SBRAIN32 SSDD SUPERBRAIN v 3.2 system disk VPU-COMM SSDD COMPUSTAR communications files VPU30ENH SSDD COMPUSTAR enhanced system disk VPU30NON SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk VPU30NRM SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk WATSTAR DSDD COMPUSTAR(?) network BIOS & files COMPUSTR TXT System description SBRNINFO TXT Boot-up information CMPSTR30 ZIP COMPUSTAR system files NEW COM Short program to allow 'smarter' C'Star to run non enhanced operating system NORMAL COM Restores screen to normal video KAYPRO Name Format Description ROM K10FLOAD DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-302-C) K10HLOAD DSDD CP/M 2.2H system disk (81-302-C) K10FRLOD DSDD CP/M 2.2F reload disk (81-302-C) K10U-RLD DSDD CP/M 2.2U reload disk (U-ROM) K10URLOD DSDD CP/M 2.2U reload disk (U ROM) K2X22G DSDD CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A) K4836765 DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) K4836768 DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) K483FDSD DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KAYPRO1 DSDD CP/M 2.2U1 system disk (U-ROM) KII-6085 SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KII-SSDD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KP-TROM DSDD CP/M 2.2T system disk (ADVENT T'ROM) KP22GDSD DSDD CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A) KPII-OLD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KPRO-II SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KPROSSDD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) PRO884MX DSDD CP/M 2.2M system disk (MICRO C PRO-884-MAX) K10HDIAG ZIP Diagnostics for 2.2H K10ROM7A ZIP ROM 1.7A source K10TKIT ZIP K10 BIOS source K10TKITG ZIP K10 BIOS G source K10UDIAG ZIP K10 Diagnostics for U ROM KCOM-BCN ZIP Business Computer Network log-in files KII4TKIT ZIP Kaypro II & 4 source files KIIWINDO ZIP Kaypro II Windows KMASMENU ZIP MASMENU files KP-MITE ZIP MITE Communications Program (Mycroft Labs) KP10DIAG ZIP KP10 Diagnostics KP4DIAG ZIP KP4 Diagnostics KPDIAG1 ZIP Diagnostics for 2, 4, 10 (w/ source) KPIIDIAG ZIP KP-II Diagnostics KPIISCRN ZIP KP-II screen control routines KPRO-MAC ZIP KP (U ROM) source files MULTICPY ZIP DOSDISK files PRO884MX ZIP PRO-884-MAX installation files SHPHDTST ZIP Shipping tests for KP 2, 4, 10 TRMSUPPT ZIP TurboROM installation files URMTKIT1 ZIP U ROM Tool kit #1 URMTKIT2 ZIP U ROM Tool kit #2 URMTKIT3 ZIP U ROM Tool kit #3 WSTAR330 ZIP WordStar v3.30 for Kaypro Computers CPM63U SYS CP/M 2.2U system file MAGNUM Name Format Description FC100DIS SSSD Micro Design Associates MAGNUM FC-100 dist. disk MAGBIO25 SSDD MAGNUM Computer Company BIOS 2.5 system disk FC100DIS ZIP Files from FC100DIS dist. disk -MAGNUM ASCI Note on Magnum disk format MORROW MD-2 Name Format Description MD2PRGMR SSDD Programmer utilities MOMBASIC SSDD MBASIC disk MOMD216 SSDD System disk rev 1.6 MOMD2R13 SSDD System disk rev 1.3 MOMD2R16 SSDD System disk rev 1.6 MOMD2R1X SSDD System disk rev 1.x MOMD2R21 SSDD System disk rev 2.1 MD2SUPPT ZIP Misc support programs and information QKCHK1 ZIP Quick Check accounting program 1 QKCHK2 ZIP Quick Check accounting program 2 MONSTEP ARC Monitor/Debugger program & docs MORROW MD-3 Name Format Description MOMD3R22 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.2 MOMD3R23 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.3 MOMD3R31 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 3.1 BAZIC ZIP BAZIC Basic program files CORRCTIT ZIP Correct-It spelling checker LOGICALC ZIP Logicalc spreadsheet MD3SUPPT ZIP MD-3 Support programs & info NW205 ZIP New Word word processor PPRL105A ZIP Personal Pearl database 1 PPRL105B ZIP Personal Pearl database 2 REACHOUT ZIP Communications program WORDSTR3 ZIP WordStar v 3.0 word processor MORROW MD-5/11 (HD Models) Name Format Description MD5-BOOT DSDD MD-5 system disk MD5-GEN3 DSDD MD-5 CP/M 3.0 system generation files MD11DSK1 DSDD MD-11 distribution disk #1 MD11DSK2 DSDD MD-11 distribution disk #2 FORMAT23 ARC Format program & mods for 96tpi drives MICELLANEOUS Name Format Description ACTRIX SSDD Access Actrix system disk BONDWL12 SSDD Bondwell 12 system disk EPSNQX10 DSDD Epson QX-10 system disk KONTRN96 DSDD Kontron 59K CP/M 1.6 system disk - 96tpi MOLEC-S9 DSDD Molecular Series 9 CP/M 2.2 (54K) MONROE88 DSDD Monroe 88 CP/M system disk OATT8086 DSDD Otrona Attache' w/ 8086 add-in board - MSDOS v2.1 OATTACHE DSDD Otrona Attache' system disk SEEQUA DSDD Seequa Chameleon system disk SMBC1000 DSDD Sanyo MBC-1000 system disk SMBC1100 DSDD Sanyo MBC-1100 system disk ADAMAKER ARC Program & doc to create ADAM diskette EKDRIVE ZIP Driver source for EK 6 meg floppy NNC-CCS Name Format Description NNC-CCS ZIP CP/M 2.2 programs for the NNC processor with CCS 2422 FDC and CCS xxxx memory card OSBORNE Name Format Description OS1SYS SSDD Osborne 1 system disk SDSYSTEMS Name Format Description CPM30-1 DSDD SDSystems CP/M+ disk 1 for SBC-300 & VF-II CPM30-2 DSDD SDSystems CP/M+ disk 2 CPM30-3 DSDD SDSystems CP/M+ disk 3 SIERRA Name Format Description MODEM COM Modem 7 for the Sierra 5000 CPM22DD SSSD CP/M 2.2 DD system disk CPM22HDS SSSD CP/M 2.2 HD system disk CPM22S SSSD CP/M 2.2 SD system disk HOLGUIN SSSD Group of specialized programs MPM2CS SSSD MP/M 2 system disk MPM2MS SSSD MP/M 2 system disk RECLAIM SSSD Reclaim (Findbad clone) CPM22 ZIP CP/M 2.2 files CPM22HD ZIP CP/M 2.2 HD peculiar files MPM2C ZIP MP/M 2 files MPM2M ZIP MP/M 2 files RECLAIM ZIP Reclaim files TELEVIDEO Name Format Description 802HBIOS DSDD Televideo TS-802H HD reload disk TPC-1 DSDD Televideo TPC-1 (portable) system disk TS-802H DSDD Televideo TS-802H system disk TS-803 DSDD Televideo TS-803 system disk MMMST21A ZIP Televideo TS 806/20 v1.2 MMMOST 2.11 Rev C Disk A MMMST21B ZIP Televideo TS 806/20 v1.2 MMMOST 2.11 Rev C Disk B XEROX 820 Name Format Description 5SYS-II SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 5WP-II SSDD 820-II 5.25" word processor dsk s/n DC0003121 8202DIA5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" diagnostic exerciser 8202PRG5 SSSD 820-II 5.25" programs No System 8202SIS5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 8202SYS8 SSDD 820-II 8" system disk s/n DC1001697 8202TRN5 SSSD 820-II 5.25" training disk No System 8202TRN8 SSSD 820-II 8" training disk No System 8202CPM5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 820DIA5 SSSD 820 5.25" diagnostics s/n BD0053000 820DIA8 SSSD 820 8" diagnostics s/n BD0050266 820SSSD SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0054300 820SYS5 SSSD 820 5.25" system disk s/n BW0061446 820SYS8 SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0050484 820SYS8S SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0050484 820WP5 SSSD 820 5.25" word procesor disk s/n BW0061446 820WP8 SSSD 820 8" word processor disk s/n BW0050522 16-8DEV5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" CP/M-80/86 Development disk 16-8SYS5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" CP/M-80/86 System disk 16-8DOS5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" MS-DOS 2.0 Operating system 16-8UTL5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" MS-DOS 2.0 Utilities 16-8DEV8 SSDD 16/8 8" CP/M-80/86 Development disk 16-8SYS8 SSDD 16/8 8" CP/M-80/86 System disk 16-8DOS8 SSDD 16/8 8" MS-DOS 2.0 Operating system 16-8UTL8 SSDD 16/8 8" MS-DOS 2.0 Utilities EMIIDIA5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" EM-II Diagnostics 16-8DOS ZIP 16/8 MS-DOS 2.0 files 16-8UTL ZIP 16/8 MS-DOS 2.0 utilities 820-DIAG ZIP 820 diagnostics 820-PRGM ZIP 820 programs 820-SYS ZIP 820 system programs 820-TRNG ZIP 820 training files 820-UTIL ZIP 820 utilities 820-WP ZIP 820 word processor programs 8202DIAG ZIP 820-II diagnostics Zenith Z100 Name Format Description Z100CPM DSDD CP/M 2.2 system disk Z100DOSA DSDD ZDOS disk A Z100DOSB DSDD ZDOS disk B Z100EKDR DSDD ZDOS driver for 6 meg EK drive Z100ZPC DSDD ZDOS variant ZBASIC DSDD Z100 BASIC ZDOS100A DSDD ZDOS disk A ZDOS100B DSDD ZDOS disk B ZDOS310 DSDD ZDOS v3.10 ZEKDRIVE DSDD EK drive files ZMDOS218 DSDD Z100 MSDOS v2.18 Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 May 91 12:52:06 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!mris.larc.nasa.gov!jka@decwrl.dec.com (J. Keith Alston) Subject: Re: HD for KAYPRO II Message-ID: <1991May8.125206.3678@news.larc.nasa.gov> In article <41.2824BB87@farwest.FIDONET.ORG> CHRIS.MCEWEN@f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG (CHRIS MCEWEN) writes: >Not very likely you will find a hard drive system that will run in both a >Kaypro and an 80386 MS-DOS box. Are you considering pulling the drive >from one box and putting it in the other now and again? Yes I would like something that could be switched over to the 80386 machine if I end up not using the KAYPRO. From the responses I've gotten A HD for the KAYPRO would be pretty expensive. -- "In this world you must be OH so smart or OH so pleasant... I recommend pleasant"----> Elwood P. Dowd Lockheed Eng. and Sci. Co./Nasa Larc|J. Keith Alston jka@snow.larc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 91 15:43:00 GMT From: nuchat!farwest!f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG!CHRIS.MCEWEN@uunet.uu.net (CHRIS MCEWEN) Subject: Re: HD for KAYPRO II Message-ID: <41.2824BB87@farwest.FIDONET.ORG> >From: jka@mris.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) >Date: 3 May 91 20:15:39 GMT >Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA >Message-ID: <1991May3.201539.22376@news.larc.nasa.gov> >Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm > Hello, > I'm looking for a HD and controller for a KAYPRO II. I have no idea > what to buy or where to look. I'd like something that would also > run in a 386, if thats possible. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Chuck Stafford sells a hard drive kit for the Kaypro. It is the left over stock from Advent and includes a TurboROM. His home phone is (916) 483-0312 (voice) or you can write to him at 4000 Norris Avenue, Sacramento CA 95821. Not very likely you will find a hard drive system that will run in both a Kaypro and an 80386 MS-DOS box. Are you considering pulling the drive from one box and putting it in the other now and again? -- CHRIS MCEWEN - via FidoNet node 1:106/365 UUCP: uunet!nuchat!farwest!601!CHRIS.MCEWEN INTERNET: CHRIS.MCEWEN@f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 91 18:18 EDT From: He did! He did get married bare-footed! Subject: zgrep? Is this a cp/m-z80 version of Unix grep? If so, look in SImtel's CPM.TXTUTL directory - get 00-index, th.txt, that is. There is a file that is a port of several Unix text utilities, including grep. Same options keywords and everything. Give it a try. Drop me a line if you need the exact file name; don't have it with me. -John Shin (JSHIN@HampVMS.bitnet) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #88 ************************************ 11-May-91 00:06:43-MDT,4572;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 10-May-91 23:55:14 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 May 91 23:55:13 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #89 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910510235514.V91N89@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 10 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 89 Today's Topics: CPM to DOS exchanger. keyboard needed Pet software? Yes Pet software! Re: Anyone compiled XLISP under MIX C before ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 May 91 19:26:36 GMT From: wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!slcs.slb.com!asc.slb.com!ayers@louie.udel.edu (Debbie Ayers) Subject: CPM to DOS exchanger. Message-ID: <1991May8.192636.18830@asc.slb.com> CPM file to DOS file exchanger:: I've heard rumors that such a program exists so I thought I would ask the experts. The problem is I have several documents that need to be taken over to a DOS machine. Both have disk drives but neither have connections to the outside world. I'd appreciate any insight you could give in this endeavor. --Deb Debra L. Ayers Internet: ayers@asc.slb.com UUCP : cs.utexas.edu!asc.slb.com!ayers Work : (512) 331-3274 Home : (512) 473-8989 -- Debra L. Ayers Internet: ayers@asc.slb.com UUCP : cs.utexas.edu!asc.slb.com!ayers Work : (512) 331-3274 Home : (512) 473-8989 ------------------------------ Date: 29 Apr 91 22:53:35 GMT From: unisoft!hoptoad!pacbell!pacbell.com!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: keyboard needed Message-ID: Anybody know where I can get a keyboard for a xerox 820-II? ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 8 May 91 20:27:37 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!littlei!intelhf!endeavor!flight!george@uunet.uu.net (George Rachor ) Subject: Pet software? Yes Pet software! Message-ID: <337@flight.UUCP> I know... I know Pets never did CPM..... I've added this old Commodore Pet to my collection and it appears to be quite functional (wow a total of 8K Ram). Is there by chance any other people who have or know where things like manuals or tapes (This is a diskless machine) might be found? Is there some sort of users group? Is there a better newsgroup to ask about this? Many thanks, This pet is all warmed up and nothing to run on it. George -- George Rachor Jr. Intel Corporation Hillsboro, OR 97124 george@flight.hf.intel.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 May 91 21:37:33 GMT From: wuarchive!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!uafhp!acrosby@uunet.uu.net (G'zint) Subject: Re: Anyone compiled XLISP under MIX C before ? Message-ID: <6411@uafhp.uark.edu> The talk about MIX C in this discussion reminded me that I'd meant to call them up about a quetion I had. I asked about getting the CP/M disks for Mix C since I already own the MSDOS version. They told me that I could do it at the upgrade price... $5 + $2 s&h. And that the reverse was true too! If you have the CP/M version, you can get the MSDOS version for $5. Of course, this isn't true for their ANSI C Compiler, PowerC, but it's only $19.95 too, so it's another great deal So that means you could have the same compiler for both CP/M and MSDOS for under around $30 including shipping and handling. Not a bad deal.... ! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #89 ************************************ 12-May-91 03:22:53-MDT,15982;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 12 May 91 03:15:59 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #90 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910512031600.V91N90@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 12 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 90 Today's Topics: CP/M SOFTWARE WANTED! YES, I'LL EVEN PAY! HELP! with LBR KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted) Re: BIOS Problems with Zilog Registers Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. Re: HD for KAYPRO II Re: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted) Re: Looking for an 80286? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 May 91 06:14:42 GMT From: ccncsu!mozart!baumgard@purdue.edu (jan feli baumgardner) Subject: CP/M SOFTWARE WANTED! YES, I'LL EVEN PAY! Message-ID: <14838@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> HELP!! I have inherited a TELEVIDEO 803H CP/M computer, and NEED SOFTWARE! To be more specific, it is a Televideo System TS 803H V1.4, running CP/M version 2.2 (59K version). The demo I got with the computer is fun, but gets boring after 11 or 12 hours.. What I REALLY want is a word processor, perhaps WORDSTAR or something, and I'd be willing to pay for it, although not a helluva lot. (The computer with Hard Drive DID cost me twenty bucks..) I know, I know... It's a dinasour, but it would mean a lot to a friend of mine if she could give up her manual typewriter. We's both appreciate something. ---------- Oh, and along these lines... I've noticed that the computer has a 360k floppy installed, much like the one in the stone age PC I am using now. This may be a longshot, but... Is there any obscure peice of PC software that can allow me to read/write to CP/M 2.2 disks? If so, I could FTP CP/M software (From where? I asks...) to my pc, and have this magic peice of software write to the 2.2 disks... Instant word processor! Right? Right! Email would be graciously appreciated. baumgard@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (303)-484-9492/(303)224-9058 Thanks. And Yes, I am serious. -Felix ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 91 19:41:46 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Justin_Randall_Padawer@apple.com Subject: HELP! with LBR Message-ID: <42229@cup.portal.com> I need help. Anyone please email. I desperately need a program called NULU152 or some such so I can de-LBR the CPM files I have downloaded. Can ANYONE help??? Help! :-) Randy Padawer Internet: Justin_Randall_Padawer@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 91 12:59:41 GMT From: prism!jm59@gatech.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted) Message-ID: <28656@hydra.gatech.EDU> After reading the post that KERMIT had just been re-released for CP/M, I downloaded all the files that looked appropriate from watsun..., and that's quite a few! About 500KB of cp*.asm and cp*.hlp, with a few stray items still sitting on our file system waiting to be brought down. (I got some reading in last night, even at 2400 Bd. [8*>) I last assembled KERMIT in v.3.1, which was a single, fairly managable package: I edited in the controls for my terminal, and built the *.com with ASM and LOAD. This looks like a _quite_ different proposition, requiring separate assemblies, linkage, and (maybe) building a library, overlays, help files, ???. Has anyone out there put this package, or another recent, similar release together? I would like to know: (1) Which modules do I _not_ need? (2) Where are the hardware- and terminal-dependent parts buried? (3) What is a good assembly and linkage sequence? (4) I also ftp'd two hex files: kernel and generic sections. How do I patch them together (ddt?), and what functions will I have/ not have in the generic hex patch? I expect to use M80 and L80 to accomplish the assembly and link, as they are mentioned in the kernel source header, and I have them. Been a _long_ time since I tried to _use_ them, tho... [8*(. Thanks in advance. Respond e-mail, I guess, since this may not be of very wide interest. Similarly, I'll forward the most pertinent responses on request to anyone else at the level of (knowledge:ignorance) to want them. John M. Mills, Georgia Tech/GTRI jm59@prism.gatech.edu (404)894-8346 -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 8 May 91 18:44:59 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!ira.uka.de!unido!mcshh!tilmann@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Re: BIOS Problems with Zilog Registers Message-ID: <9156@mcshh.hanse.de> roadhog@austex (Lindsay Haisley) writes: > CP/M was written for the Intel 8080, and all DRI versions (including, I > believe CPM3) are 8080 compatible, meaning that they >>don't<< use the > special Z80 registers. The CP/M BDOS, therefore, will preserve the Z80 > registers since it knows nothing about them and makes no use of them. Of course, CP/M was written for 8080 and thus uses only those registers. But if YOU as the applications programmer rely on the existance of the Z80 registers, they must be there - implying that the BIOS might use them, too. > It was generally accepted industry practice on Z80 based machines to extend > this principle to individual machine BIOS code as well, and with only a > few exceptions, all Z80 based computers which use the special Z80 registers > save and restore them. Since this rather sound principle was never, to my > knowledge, incorporated into any sort of industry-wide agreement, these > few exceptions did slip through to cause trouble. As far as I can consider, this is simply not true. All CP/M machines I ever came in contact with, including my own systems (meanwhile 3 different CP/M-3 implementations), dit not preserve the Z80 registers. I never had troubles, except finding a bug in Turbo-Pascal where an index register was forgotten to be saved during Console-Input call (but saved for Con-Out!). BTW, the program that started this discussion (UCRLZH) runs VERY WELL on my actual machine which does not preserve any register... > Since there are a substantial number of programs outstanding which operate > on the assumption that the Z80 special registers are preserved across system > calls, Jay Sage's suggestion makes more sense than trying to fix >>every<< > program which makes this assumption. Again, I didn't make that experience. The by far more logical assumption that in fact every register could be changed after return from BDOS, is found in every program I ever looked at (or use, of course). More logical, I say, because it expands the CP/M specification exactly in the same meaning it was originally defined: 'You may rely on _NO_ register'. Assuming some registers to be saved and some others not, is not very consequent, is it? And never forget: If you are able to use the Z80 registers, the BIOS is able, too! (Eventually even the BDOS, if you got a real Z80 version, which I miss hardly for CP/M-3.) To come to an end: Of course, it would be much easier if DRI had specified that every used register must be saved by the BDOS and BIOS. That would have led to some additional pushes and pops in both of them, but would have made sure that applications programs never had to do that. Also, expansion of this spec would be much easier (with BDOS/BIOS simply saving every used register as before). But, as a matter of fact, DRI did not specify that. And like it or not, their specification is reality. DRI told every programmer NOT to rely on ANY register, and this should also be expanded in the same meaning (thus including Z80 registers, in this case). Tilmann Reh tilmann.reh@hrz.uni-siegen.dbp.de tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 91 21:44:17 GMT From: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!milton!raven.alaska.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!tellab5!laidbak!amiganet!austral!rrezaian@ucsd.edu (Russell Rezaian) Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. Message-ID: In article <1991May8.192636.18830@asc.slb.com> ayers@asc.slb.com (Debbie Ayers) writes: > > CPM file to DOS file exchanger:: [stuff deleted] A lot of this depends on what machines you have. If your CP/M machine is a Kaypro, Osborne, or one of a number of other machines, programs exist to let the CP/M machine write and copy to nad from MS-DOS diskettes. On the Kaypro I have COMPAT by Mycroft labs, and it works fine. You might still be able to find copies. I think UNIFORM also works. On the MS-DOS end there are also programs to read CP/M diskettes, but I can't think of the name of one, offhand. Even these programs will only read certian formats though, so without knowing what kind of computer you have I can't be of any futher help. Good luck! (You might end up finding it simpler to put a serial port on the MS-DOS computer just for this purpose, it may be cheaper, and simpler in the long run...) -- Russell Rezaian | rrezaian@austral.UUCP P.O. Box 479 | rrezaian@amiganet.chi.il.us Naperville, Il. 60566-0479 | "One is best punished for one's USA | Virtues." Nietzsche. ------------------------------ Date: 9 May 91 01:12:39 GMT From: wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!mips!pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@louie.udel.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: HD for KAYPRO II Message-ID: CHRIS.MCEWEN@f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG (CHRIS MCEWEN) writes: > Chuck Stafford sells a hard drive kit for the Kaypro. It is the left over > stock from Advent and includes a TurboROM. His home phone is (916) > 483-0312 (voice) or you can write to him at 4000 Norris Avenue, > Sacramento CA 95821. I said this before, but I don't know if it ever got out onto the net, but if anyone prefers to e-mail him, send it to me and I'll make sure he gets it as he's not on the net. Chuck Stafford and I belong to the same user group (I don't own a Kaypro, but I'm still a CP/M freak!) and are good friends. > Not very likely you will find a hard drive system that will run in both a > Kaypro and an 80386 MS-DOS box. Are you considering pulling the drive > from one box and putting it in the other now and again? I have the feeling that he means something to the effect of a "Uniform for hard disks" as it were, which there ain't no such thing as yet... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 91 07:18 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Re: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted) Message-ID: <79171DA2599F004E6B@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Hello, writes jm59@prism.gatech.EDU (MILLS,JOHN M.): >After reading the post that KERMIT had just been re-released for >CP/M, I downloaded all the files that looked appropriate from >watsun..., and that's quite a few! About 500KB of cp*.asm and cp*.hlp, >with a few stray items still sitting on our file system waiting >to be brought down. (I got some reading in last night, even at >2400 Bd. [8*>) From reading the rest of your post, it seems you left out the most important file for the moment, CPKERM.DOC. This file is the documentation for Kermit-80. It was also updated for the new release. It explains how to use kermit, and how to install it on your system, even re-assembling if necessary. CPKERM.PS is cpkerm.doc on postscript format and prints a nicely formatted Kermit-80 manual. If you system is one of those supported (you never did mention what system you were trying to get kermit to support in your post) all you need to do is mload the overlay for your system cpxxxx.hex with the system independent file cpsker.hex. The mload program is available from the kermit server along with its documentation. >Has anyone out there put this package, or another recent, similar >release together? I would like to know: >(1) Which modules do I _not_ need? This is described in cpkerm.doc. >(2) Where are the hardware- and terminal-dependent parts buried? The hardware and terminal dependent parts are buried in the system specific overlay file. >(3) What is a good assembly and linkage sequence? Kermit-80 is designed to be assembled with the LASM public domain assembler. It can also be assembled with m80, but I have not tried this as I don't have m80. Since you should be able to use the system independent hex file as you got it from the server, only one assembly should be needed if your system is not already one of those supported. The hex file created by lasm.com is then merged with the system independent file with mload.com. Lasm.com is the asm.com assembler with a LINK command added which allow chaining of files at assembly time. It is also 2K smaller than asm.com. >(4) I also ftp'd two hex files: kernel and generic sections. How do > I patch them together (ddt?), and what functions will I have/ > not have in the generic hex patch? Mload.com is used to merge the system independent and system dependent hex files into one executable .com file. Mload and its documentation are available from the kermit server and simtel20. If your system is covered by one of the system dependent hex files, you do not need to re-assemble. >I expect to use M80 and L80 to accomplish the assembly and link, as >they are mentioned in the kernel source header, and I have them. >Been a _long_ time since I tried to _use_ them, tho... [8*(. Lasm.com is available from the same place you got the other kermit sources. It is also available on simtel20, along with its sources. I hope this helps. >Thanks in advance. > >John M. Mills, Georgia Tech/GTRI jm59@prism.gatech.edu >(404)894-8346 > Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 91 19:34:20 GMT From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Looking for an 80286? Message-ID: fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > In article <91126.154915G22QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> G22QC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: > >If you are looking for an 80286, this one is for you. > > No, I'm not looking for a bloody pee-cee waste-of-silicon!! > And judging from the name of this newsgroup, I doubt anyone else here > is. > > >Here it is: > > > [a nice, neat little list of "features" deleted] > > > I am asking for $ 1350, but it is negotiable. > >Please send e-mail if anyone is interested. > > Look, if you want to sell your computer, and it isn't a cp/m box, then > post it in a for sale group local to your hometown. Just because we > have a newsgroup about cp/m doesn't mean that we're using cp/m until > we can afford your whizzy clone. think: maybe we LIKE using these old > beasts?? > > > -- > fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... > > No wonder I can't hold a regular sleeping schedule. My subconcious mind > knows we are only one well-placed bullet from having Quayle as president. I already bawled him out about it in mail. Well, not "bawled him out", but a gentle nudge, and he said that he would take his biz elsewhere. Also, be nice! I share your sentiments about those clones being a waste of silicon; I know because I _OWN_ one! And I didn't have to pay a thing for it! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #90 ************************************ 13-May-91 21:48:31-MDT,9248;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 13-May-91 21:42:59 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 May 91 21:42:59 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #91 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910513214300.V91N91@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 13 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 91 Today's Topics: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. Re: HELP! with LBR Re: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted) Re: Looking for an 80286? Re: zgrep.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 May 91 06:33:07 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. Message-ID: rrezaian@austral.UUCP (Russell Rezaian) writes: > In article <1991May8.192636.18830@asc.slb.com> ayers@asc.slb.com (Debbie Ayer > > > > CPM file to DOS file exchanger:: > [stuff deleted] [even more deleted] > On the MS-DOS end there are also programs to read CP/M diskettes, > but I can't think of the name of one, offhand. Try Uniform PC or 22DISK. I suggest the latter because it's easily avaiable, cheaper, and, unlike Uniform PC (DO correct me if I'm wrong because I want to be able to do it), you can configure it to read just about any format of diskette out there, with certain obvious exceptions, of course, like hard-sectored diskettes or non-MFM formats (YES, MFM is applicable in the floppy diskette world for you DOS folks who are computer neophytes) like Apple, but I hear of some cards that will read THOSE. > Even these programs will > only read certian formats though, so without knowing what kind of computer > you have I can't be of any futher help. At least, those that were predefined. Like I said, 22DISK can be configured for just about any MFM-format disk. I had to make an entry to read diskettes formatted on my sister's computer. Sadly, Uniform cannot handle that. Re: Being "of further help" I belive I just was... :-) > Good luck! If you have an old Ozzy using SSSD drives, you'll need it! And you'll need a controller you can modify; the instructions therefor are in the 22DISK docs. If you're using Uniform PC, you just SOL, unless MicroSolutions' CompatiCard can handle SD, and I believe that 22DISK will handle that as well. > (You might end up > finding it simpler to put a serial port on the MS-DOS computer just for > this purpose, it may be cheaper, and simpler in the long run...) Yep, sometimes the format isn't properly interpreted by the PC or laid down to spec by the original computer and said computer don't give a $#!+ about the sectoring, just as long as the intersector gaps are right and it knows how to find sector 0 and dynamically change interleave. I know my 8" drive does on my Dynabyte because I try to feed "3740" formatted disks which I format on it to my CompuPro, the data come in the wrong order; if I format it on the CompuPro "3740", put it in the Dynabyte, write some stuff on it, then read it on the C'Pro, it reads the sectors in their proper order. ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 00:34:01 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Justin_Randall_Padawer@apple.com Subject: Re: HELP! with LBR Message-ID: <42268@cup.portal.com> Help was indeed received. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 13:40:15 GMT From: prism!jm59@gatech.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: Re: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted) Message-ID: <28834@hydra.gatech.EDU> In article <79171DA2599F004E6B@ucs.uwplatt.edu> TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes: >Hello, > >writes jm59@prism.gatech.EDU (MILLS,JOHN M.): >>After reading the post that KERMIT had just been re-released for >>CP/M, I downloaded all the files that looked appropriate from >>watsun..., and that's quite a few! About 500KB of cp*.asm and cp*.hlp, Thanks for all the response I got on this. Eight respondents so far, with many useful comments. I probably don't need any more advice, until I have had time to make some more mistakes. Thanks to all. When I get done, I'll be happy to post a note to that effect, and send a summary then to anyone who would like it. >From reading the rest of your post, it seems you left out the most >important file for the moment, CPKERM.DOC. This file is the >documentation for Kermit-80. It was also updated for the new >release. It explains how to use kermit, and how to install it That sounds like the best advice: When in doubt, READ THE DIRECTIONS. >If you system is one of those supported (you never did mention >what system you were trying to get kermit to support in your >post) all you need to do is mload the overlay for your system >cpxxxx.hex with the system independent file cpsker.hex. The >mload program is available from the kermit server along with >its documentation. I haven't been using MLOAD or LASM. Sounds like they are worth having. Ans: My system is a Z-80, SD-Systems, SBC-200 (or -300 .. I can't remember). 256 KBy RAM, incl. 192K as a RAMDisk. All that's generic, of course. The adaptation I meant was for my serial- port addresses and flags (SSM-I/O4 --anyone remember SSM?), and for the Adds Viewpoint terminal. That's a traditional, unbreakable CP/M _boat_anchor_, in other words. When I patched my existing Kermit source, I added conditionals for the cursor and screen control codes, sim. to the structure for the Superbrain, Heath, etc.. I expect I will now write a short definition file of some kind, or patch the *.asm for some similar industry-standard terminal. I left most of the details out here -- just wanted to say 'Thanks' to the numerous people who responded to my request. Regards --jmm-- -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 91 17:07:14 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!fmgst@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: Re: Looking for an 80286? Message-ID: <127217@unix.cis.pitt.edu> In article ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: > >I already bawled him out about it in mail. Well, not "bawled him >out", but a gentle nudge, and he said that he would take his biz >elsewhere. Also, be nice! I share your sentiments about those >clones being a waste of silicon; I know because I _OWN_ one! And ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I didn't have to pay a thing for it! Greetings. So do I! But I will strongly disagree with the first statement! With a 486 running at 25 MHz I can use an emulator for a Z80 and run most (if not all) of my Kaypro stuff. Doesn't mean I don't use the K10, either. Even though my Kaypro 10 is far from a "portable" it's much better at it than the 50+ lb 486 :-) Besides, show me a z80-based machine than can raytrace a 640X486X256 complex scene in under 30 minutes :-) Take care. P.S. QNOTD (Qute note of the day) Did you know that Norton Utilities (for the IBM PC) actually has the capability to create a CP/M partition on a hard drive.... Hmmm.......... -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years Filip Gieszczykiewicz "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-) FMGST@PITTVMS or fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu "My ideas. ALL MINE!!" ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 91 11:46:44 GMT From: nuchat!farwest!f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG!CHRIS.MCEWEN@uunet.uu.net (CHRIS MCEWEN) Subject: Re: zgrep.com Message-ID: <73.282DC7B9@farwest.FIDONET.ORG> >From: THRA004@cms.ulcc.ac.uk (Christopher Currie) >Date: 7 May 91 11:09:25 GMT >Organization: The Internet >Message-ID: <9105080702.AA01307@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> >Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm >Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the z-system program zgrep.com? >It doesn't seem to be listed in the Simtel20 directories, though my info >may be somewhat out of date. I suggest the Z-System Software Update Service. We can provide almost any Z-System software that has ever been released. Send $4.00 as MC/VISA charge or bank draft (on a US bank in US funds) or International Money Order to Sage Microsystems East, 1435 Centre Street, Newton Centre MA 02159-2469 USA for the catalog disk, which has a database of all the releases available. Be sure to tell them your disk format! Note to others: the $4.00 price includes foreign postage. Price within North America is $2.00. -- CHRIS MCEWEN - via FidoNet node 1:106/365 UUCP: uunet!nuchat!farwest!601!CHRIS.MCEWEN INTERNET: CHRIS.MCEWEN@f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #91 ************************************ 16-May-91 22:34:27-MDT,5555;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 16-May-91 22:28:23 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 May 91 22:28:23 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #92 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910516222823.V91N92@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 16 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 92 Today's Topics: how to read cpm disk drive from pc? Kermit-80 Version 4.11 ZIPping under CP/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 May 91 20:31:13 GMT From: sdcc6!sdcc13!rkim@ucsd.edu (Suro) Subject: how to read cpm disk drive from pc? Message-ID: <19375@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> Is there a program out there that will let me read cpm disk drives via serial port of a pc? The cpm machine reads like this on boot up time: (turn key) JADE COMPUTER SYSTEMS MONITER 2.2B EFFF # (insert system disk, then press 'e') JADE COMPUTER SYSTEMS 60K CP/M 2.2 DDBIOS 2 I'd like to be able to read the cpm disk drive via pc's serial port, so I can copy the cpm disk to pc (sort of like using dos's copy command). Currently I use a customized file transfer program, but I find it rather slow for the daunting task I have (I have to transfer 500+ diskettes). If there exists such a program, could anyone direct me to the source? Please reply via email... Thank you, -- Robert W. Kim rkim@ucsd.edu University of California, San Diego. kimbob@ucsd.edu "I'd love to go out with you, but I have to floss my cat." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 91 11:46:47 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: Kermit-80 Version 4.11 Message-ID: Dear Mr. Mills: In a recent Info-cpm digest, in article <26697@hydra.gatech.EDU>, you asked how to get Kermit-80 version 4.11. going. Lance Tagliapietra's answer was a good one. You also might want to get cpaaaa.hlp from watsun's ~kermit/a/ directory; this gives the machines that Kermit-80 currently supports along with the filenames of the Intel hex files for those machines. As Mr. Tagliapietra says, you probably won't have to rebuild the system-independent part of Kermit-80. If your CP/M machine is one of those currently supported by Kermit-80, you need only get the system-dependent hex file and combine them with MLOAD, DDT, DDTZ or whatever (MLOAD and DDTZ are my preferences since they don't require you to calculate image length for a CP/M SAVE). If your system is not supported, pick up cpxtyp.asm, cpxcom.asm, cpxlnk.asm and cpxswt.asm. Currently, systems are organized into "families", as, for example, Amstrad machines. If you were going to recompile Amstrad Kermit's system-dependent file, you'd also get cpxpcw.asm. Some systems (as, for example, the HP-125) are in the files cpxsys.asm and cpxsy2.asm, which you'd get. In any case, if your system isn't supported, get a "family" file that's close or create one yourself. If your system doesn't have a built-in terminal, you'll also need cpxvdu.asm (which contains terminal drivers). Set the appropriate switch in cpxtyp.asm to true (or put one in for your system if it isn't supported), set a terminal-switch to TRUE (or select Generic CRT if nothing's listed for your terminal or put your terminal's codes into a family file or cpxvdu.asm), get LASM or M80 and compile away. L80 can be used to link the system-dependent file but you must be sure to do a /P:7000 as the first part of the L80 command tail so the REL-file has the proper absolute address. You still need MLOAD, DDT, DDTZ or whatever to combine the files, so why not get LASM and use it, too. Hope this message along with Mr. Tagliapietra's message helps you. Feel free to ask either him or me any Kermit-80 queries you'd like. By the way, I think you'll like Kermit-80 4.11. It's got support for many REMOTE commands (advanced server commands). It's only drawback is that it doesn't support repeat-prefixing or extended-length packets yet -- get QTERM version 43E (along with my bug fix for it) to get those features. Cheers! -- Mike Freeman K7UIJ -- 301 N.E. 107th Street Vancouver, WA 98685 (206)574-8221 (home) (206)690-2307 (work) P.S. If your system isn't supported, you'll also need to (a) create a family switch in cpxtyp.asm or (b) set sysfam TRUE and put your code in cpxsys.asm/cpxsy2.asm. Then compile and link. -- Mike Freeman K7UIJ -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 91 14:18:18 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: ZIPping under CP/M Message-ID: Has anyone heard of a PD or shareware program to create .ZIP files which runs on CP/M systems? There was an inquiry about this on Norman Beeler's BBS (408-245-1420) recently and one of the answers was that the writer thought such a beastie might exist. I've never heard of such an animal but would dearly like to acquire it (even if slow) if it exists. (I know about the various UNZIPping programs). Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman K7UIJ -- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #92 ************************************ 21-May-91 14:30:43-MDT,10736;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 May 91 14:16:37 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #93 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910521141642.V91N93@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 21 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 93 Today's Topics: LHA Osborne 1 - Questions re: cp/m software wan Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. (2 msgs) Termcap: Osborne-1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 May 91 11:14:07 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!dkuug!imada!ravn@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen) Subject: LHA Message-ID: <1991May17.111407.12852@imada.ou.dk> Recently the dos archiver LHARC was superceded by the LHA version. Unaware of this I downloaded a 70+ kb file which I cannot unarchive now with the LHRD utility (version 1.1). It crashes with "Unknown archive method" Do anybody know of an upgrade which does LHA formats too? -- Thorbjorn Andersen ravn@imada.ou.dk -- Thorbj\o{}rn Ravn Andersen 'Normally I kill people for money. You are my ravn@imada.ou.dk friend; I will kill you for nothing' -- Chico Marx There are three possible parts to a date, of which at least two must be ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 91 09:59:04 GMT From: olivea!samsung!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!ewen@apple.com (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Osborne 1 - Questions Message-ID: <1991May17.095904.1310@actrix.gen.nz> Hello Netlanders. I have been given an Osborne 1 (to go with my other CP/M machines). I was rather lucky that I got the original disks (and some others) with it (but not manuals) and all for the price of nothing.... However, I have some problems and some questions. First, a bit about the machine. An Osborne 1, with double density drives, a rom which states something like: 7A8007-00 Rev A D7AC OCC. There may be more roms, etc... I didn't go looking around much. I also got three "original" looking disks - CP/M 2.2, System and Utility, CBASIC/MBASIC, and SUPERCALC. A small number of other disks came with the system, a lot of them backups/modified versions of the above. I think there is also a copy of WordStar somewhere in there. Anyway, the problems: 1. B drive refuses to read disks. It complains that the disks are unformatted (they are formatted, they work on drive A). I have taken the machine apart and looked at the drive, but I didn't spot anything in my quick inspection that looked wrong. The select lines make it to the right chips etc. I ran out of time to check the R/W data lines. I would appreciate any suggestions that people have for why this doesn't work and/or what to check next. Oh, BTW, I have tried cleaning the disk heads. Also, if it is of use, I have an old (5.25 Double sided, Double Density) IBM disk drive (full height, even... :-) -- would this work in its place? And the next one: 2. I have very little documentation. Not that CP/M itself is a problem (I have been using it for several years), but the specifics of the Osborne are. I know enough about the disk format to be able to get stuff from my other machines to it, but I don't know anything about the pinouts of the various connectors on the machine. I presume the one labeled RS232 is pretty standard.... although I seem to remember hearing something about it being slightly strange. The modem port looks interesting -- can anyone tell me the pin outs. I will pull a copy of the Mex overlay for the Osborne off our Simtel mirror (a year or so out of date, but still lots of nice stuff), and get that going. But that still leaves the physical cable details to determine. I can use a soldering iron... :-) Thanks, in advance, for your help. Replies by mail, or in this group. Either should get to me pretty quickly. -- Ewen McNeill, ewen@actrix.gen.nz ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 91 04:12:06 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lsuc!canrem![larry.moore%canrem.uucp]@ucsd.edu (larry moore) Subject: re: cp/m software wan Message-ID: <1991May18.1042.1384@canrem.uucp> Blair Groves of Milton Ontario (416-875 3949) has some of those machines networked to a 40 meg HD running the PICS Bulletin Board software. If the long distance charges don't bother you, or you're as desparate as you seem, give him a call. He can give you pointers to sources of TV software - vendors, service stations, etc. still in business. -- Canada Remote Systems. Toronto, Ontario NorthAmeriNet Host ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 91 20:00:00 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucsd.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. Message-ID: rrezaian@austral.UUCP (Russell Rezaian) writes: > > On the MS-DOS end there are also programs to read CP/M diskettes, > but I can't think of the name of one, offhand. Even these programs will > only read certian formats though, so without knowing what kind of computer > you have I can't be of any futher help. Good luck! (You might end up > finding it simpler to put a serial port on the MS-DOS computer just for > this purpose, it may be cheaper, and simpler in the long run...) > -- There are a couple of good programs set for MSDOS machines which allow them to read a >wide< variety of CP/M disk formats. A pretty good program is 22DISK from Sydex. Their address is P.O. Box 5700, Eugene, OR 97405. Their phones are (503) 683-6033 (voice), (503) 683-1622 (FAX) and (503) 683-1385 (data). 22DISK consists of a set of programs which are analogous to the copy, dir, format, type and erase functions in MSDOS except that they see a floppy drive via a selected CP/M format. The registered version contains support for over 270 different CP/M formats plus the ability to add custom formats if you know the disk setup parameters. The latter can be determined with another of Sydex's offerings called Anadisk which analyzes the disk format on just about any disk except Apple and Commodore disks, which do not use FM data encoding. I use 22DISK and have had good results with it. It comes as shareware (the shareware version doesn't support quite so many CP/M formats) and registration is reasonable at $25. The second option is UniForm -PC from Nicro Solutions - the same folks who made the venerable UniForm for CP/M machines throughout the 80's. Their advirtising states that UniForm-PC supports "hundreds of different diskette formats", which is probably true. Micro Solutions is at 132 West Lincoln Hwy, DeKalb, IL 60115. Phones are (815) 756-3411 (voice) and (815) 756-2928 (FAX). UniForm-PC works essentially the same as the old UniForm for CP/M, installing a device driver or TSR so that standard DOS functions can be used to work on the target floppy, which is managed in a CP/M format. The price, I think, is somewhere between $60 and $80. I have had good luck with 22DISK and found the the Sydex people to be friendly and helpful. I do have a friend, though, who distributes CP/M disks professionally and, having tried both, prefers UniForm-PC for rock solid reliability (the cost of redoing and remailing an overseas shipment of disks can exceed the cost of either program!). 22DISK allows access to all CP/M user areas on a floppy, while UniForm-PC accesses only user 0. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: austex!roadhog@emx.utexas.edu BBS: 512-259-1261 (Znode 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 18:45:03 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. Message-ID: <1991May21.184503.18283@baron.uucp> roadhog@austex (Lindsay Haisley) writes: >The second option is UniForm -PC from Nicro Solutions - the same folks who >made the venerable UniForm for CP/M machines throughout the 80's. Their >advirtising states that UniForm-PC supports "hundreds of different diskette >formats", which is probably true. Micro Solutions is at 132 West Lincoln That is an accurate statement. On my machine I can access over 300 formats in 5.25" both 48 & 96 tpi, and 8" sizes. 3" & 3.5" might add a few more. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 91 01:31:03 GMT From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!mspencer@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Termcap: Osborne-1 Message-ID: <1991May17.223104.380@ac.dal.ca> Someone asked for a termcap entry for Osborne-1. I've lost the name, but the termcap I sent was a loser. This one (below) is much better. It's probably not of wide interest, so I won't go into further details here. Email any comments or improvements. --- cut here --- # Osborne 1 termcap entry # Mike Spencer # mspencer@athena.mit.edu # mspencer@quasar.sba.dal.ca # 16 May 1991 # # O1 is Z80 cpu, CP/M, 24r x 52c real screen but w/ 32r x 128c virtual # screen. Some machines have an 80col card and suitable # monitor. O1 has 10 programmable function keys. OTERM terminal software # by Michael Rubenstein, (available from FOG, SIMTEL etc) permits use of # these. # # Two-letter id's were chosen arbitrarily to put this in the misc category # and not duplicate. If you're putting this into the big Berkley db you # might want grep zo & zq to ensure they don't conflict w/ existing entries. # # Note: If using OTERM, the 'line' setting of OTERM must be at least 1 greater # than co. Delays appear to be necessary but sombody may be able to tune # them to better efficiency. # zo|osborne152|Osborne-1 52-col running OTERM:\ :al=15*\EE:bl=^G:bs:bw:ce=15\ET:cl=^Z:\ :cm=15\E=%+ %+ :co#52:cr=^M:dc=5*\EW:dl=15*\ER:\ :do=^J:eo:ho=^^:ic=\EQ:kb=^H:kd=^J:kl=^H:\ :kr=^L:ku=^K:le=^H:li#24:ll=\E=7 :me=\E(:\ :mh=\E):nd=^L:ns:nw=^M^J:up=^K:ue=\Em:ul:\ :us=\El:xs: zq|osborne180|Osborne-1 80-col or 52-col w/ 28 cols off screen:\ :co#80:tc=osborne152: # Re co ^^^^^^ see note above! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #93 ************************************ 22-May-91 16:59:02-MDT,10103;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 22-May-91 16:49:17 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 May 91 16:49:17 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #94 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910522164917.V91N94@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 22 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 94 Today's Topics: CP/M disk formats (was Re: CPM to DOS exchanger) Kaypro II'83 help Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. Reply to INFO-CPM Digest V91 #89 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 May 91 04:20:49 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bruce!trlluna!titan!pogo!guillaum@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Guillaume) Subject: CP/M disk formats (was Re: CPM to DOS exchanger) Message-ID: <1991May22.042049.8842@trl.oz.au> In article , roadhog@austex (Lindsay Haisley) writes: > There are a couple of good programs set for MSDOS machines which allow > them to read a >wide< variety of CP/M disk formats. A pretty good > program is 22DISK from Sydex. (snip,snip) > The registered > version contains support for over 270 different CP/M formats plus the > ability to add custom formats if you know the disk setup parameters. (snip,snip) > The second option is UniForm -PC from Nicro Solutions - the same folks who > made the venerable UniForm for CP/M machines throughout the 80's. Their > advirtising states that UniForm-PC supports "hundreds of different diskette > formats", which is probably true. On a related subject, I thought I might ask a similar question. I have an Apple //c, with an Applied Engineering card which gives me cp/m capability. It has a Z80, and the Z80 gets woken up when I boot with a cp/m diskette. Other members of my family have various other cp/m machines, like a Heathkit H89, and an Amstrad PCW8512 with a 5.25" disk drive. I've always wanted to be able to read these other cp/m disk formats (all 5.25" diskettes), but of course understand that there are problems. Like the H89 disks are hard sectored :-( Anyway, I was interested in finding out whether there existed a program that would enable me to read any cp/m disk format from any other machine. Eg, I would love to be able to read stuff written on a disk formatted on a Kaypro, or an Osborne, and have the inverse possible, like giving a Kaypro owner one of my diskettes formatted on the Apple. I'm not an expert on disk formats, so let me have the full story if this is/is not possible. And flame me by email if this is the wrong newsgroup to discuss this topic :-) > "Everything works if you let it!" Ooh, I'm only too willing, but it still doesn't :-) Andrew Guillaume Internet : a.guillaume@trl.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 18:16:38 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!altair.acs.uci.edu!wiedeman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lyle Wiedeman) Subject: Kaypro II'83 help Message-ID: <283AB586.2143@orion.oac.uci.edu> I have a Kaypro II'83 which after 8 years of loyal service, lost the ability to boot. (Drive A can't read the boot track of ANY disk, old, new, or master.) I tried the drive-head cleaning trick with no apparent effect. I thought to myself "Self, twiddle with the innards, and get the machine to believe drive B is A and vers vicea." So I opened up the poor beast, and twiddled: the two drives are on a single controller cable; it doesn't matter which connector goes on which drive; there must be a jumper somewhere which tells the drives (identical in every obvious respect) their identities. Question 1: I'd figure it out myself, if I had ever managed to secure a copy of Chilton's Kaypro Handbook. Anyone know how to get one? Question 2: Barring that, does anyone know how the drives are keyed to their identities? -- Lyle Wiedeman Distributed Computing Support wiedeman@uci.edu Office of Academic Computing wiedeman@UCI.BITNET Univ. Calif. Irvine ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 15:25:32 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. Message-ID: <0cZa31w164w@ijpc.UUCP> roadhog@austex (Lindsay Haisley) writes: > rrezaian@austral.UUCP (Russell Rezaian) writes: > > > > > On the MS-DOS end there are also programs to read CP/M diskettes, > > but I can't think of the name of one, offhand. Even these programs will > > only read certian formats though, so without knowing what kind of computer > > you have I can't be of any futher help. Good luck! (You might end up > > finding it simpler to put a serial port on the MS-DOS computer just for > > this purpose, it may be cheaper, and simpler in the long run...) > > -- > > There are a couple of good programs set for MSDOS machines which allow > them to read a >wide< variety of CP/M disk formats. A pretty good > program is 22DISK from Sydex. Their address is P.O. Box 5700, Eugene, OR > 97405. Their phones are (503) 683-6033 (voice), (503) 683-1622 (FAX) and > (503) 683-1385 (data). 22DISK consists of a set of programs which are > analogous to the copy, dir, format, type and erase functions in MSDOS except > that they see a floppy drive via a selected CP/M format. The registered > version contains support for over 270 different CP/M formats plus the > ability to add custom formats if you know the disk setup parameters. The > latter can be determined with another of Sydex's offerings called Anadisk > which analyzes the disk format on just about any disk except Apple and > Commodore disks, which do not use FM data encoding. I use 22DISK and have > had good results with it. It comes as shareware (the shareware version > doesn't support quite so many CP/M formats) and registration is reasonable > at $25. > > The second option is UniForm -PC from Nicro Solutions - the same folks who > made the venerable UniForm for CP/M machines throughout the 80's. Their > advirtising states that UniForm-PC supports "hundreds of different diskette > formats", which is probably true. Micro Solutions is at 132 West Lincoln > Hwy, DeKalb, IL 60115. Phones are (815) 756-3411 (voice) and > (815) 756-2928 (FAX). UniForm-PC works essentially the same as the old > UniForm for CP/M, installing a device driver or TSR so that standard > DOS functions can be used to work on the target floppy, which is managed > in a CP/M format. The price, I think, is somewhere between $60 and $80. > > I have had good luck with 22DISK and found the the Sydex people to be > friendly and helpful. I do have a friend, though, who distributes CP/M > disks professionally and, having tried both, prefers UniForm-PC for > rock solid reliability (the cost of redoing and remailing an overseas > shipment of disks can exceed the cost of either program!). 22DISK allows > access to all CP/M user areas on a floppy, while UniForm-PC accesses only > user 0. > > > "Everything works if you let it!" > --- Travis J. Redfish > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > uucp: austex!roadhog@emx.utexas.edu > BBS: 512-259-1261 (Znode 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) Lindsay, you're fogrgetting one thing about 22DISK. You can configure it to just about any disk format, which is why Sydex includes Anadisk. You also forgot hard-sectored disks as one of the types of disks that Anadisk doesn't know how to deal with. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 91 16:54:01 -0400 From: SonicDruid@sctnve.bitnet Subject: Reply to INFO-CPM Digest V91 #89 Message-ID: <5B0516101F0F0357-SCTNVE*SonicDruid@sctnve> hi, CP/M to DOS exchangers as I have seen in my use of CP/M machines are computer dependent, so what's written on one machine will not/may not run on another. I have a TRS-80 4P and am capable of reading the formats of almost any CP/M machine due to the software that was written for my machine. Another piece of software was written (also computer dependent) which allows me to go back and forth between CP/M - MSDOS (several versions) and a TRS-80 operating system in any order. Off hand CP/M-86 has a conversion program and that was on a Zenith-100 computer, but I don't think that was computer dependent. There's also one written for the Commodore 128 CP/M which is built into the computer's CP/M mode, which only allows you to read other CP/M formats only. For the generic Commodore there's "Big Blue Reader", which also reads MSDOS disks according to what I've heard. Under the Osborne FOG library, there's a program called PCPIP and other programs which copy between MSDOS and CPM, but I've never really played with them due to what I had. By the way, what kind of computer do you have, maybe I could help if I knew at least that much, or maybe someone else could help, worth a try... ..................................................................... :<< SonicDruid@sctnve.bitnet >> ============================ : : \\ Cyber Lab Consultant // : : Etop Udoh ->> A2 <<- \\ & Tutor & // : : \\ Computer Operator // : : //!\\ \\\\\\\\ ==================== : : // \\ !! Computer & Network Support : : //!!!!!\\ //////// Southern College of Technology : : // \\ !! Marietta, Georgia 30060 : : // \\ \\\\\\\\ : :...................................................................: ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #94 ************************************ 24-May-91 02:23:27-MDT,10862;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 24 May 91 02:15:15 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #95 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910524021515.V91N95@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 24 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 95 Today's Topics: FREE CP/M ADDENDUM FREE CP/M COMPUTERS INFO-CPM Digest mail address change Kaypro drive ID was Re: (none) Osborne 1, Questions Answered Re: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #94 ten megabyte disk drive wanted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 May 91 15:54:21 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!dsac.dla.mil!dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil!desc.dla.mil!wright!desire.wright.edu!josborne@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (jay   Jay Osborne) Subject: FREE CP/M ADDENDUM Message-ID: <1991May22.105421.3671@desire.wright.edu> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ADDENDUM TO FREE CP/M POST ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have been notified that the free CP/M computers DO NOT carry WSU property tags. ALSO Interested parties will need a letter on OFFICIAL university letterhead formally requesting the computers. Any questions can be answered by sending EMAIL to SHAYDEN@matrix.cs.wright.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 15:36:39 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!dsac.dla.mil!dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil!desc.dla.mil!wright!desire.wright.edu!josborne@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (jay   Jay Osborne) Subject: FREE CP/M COMPUTERS Message-ID: <1991May22.103639.3669@desire.wright.edu> ******************************************************************************* * * * FREE --- FREE --- FREE --- FREE --- FREE --- FREE --- FREE * * * ******************************************************************************* Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio has three CP/M computers that are being disposed. They are property of the University and carry WSU property tags. They may be given ONLY to other universities, preferably to Ohio institutions. These machines are large ( ~ 1' X 2' X 2' ) and pretty heavy (up to 50 lbs.). All three machines have the following: Computime CPU and Floppy controller Dual 8" DSDD Floppies (990kB) 64K Internal Printer Buffer Real time clock, calendar Linear Power Supply Dual Serial Ports Single Parallel Port In addition, two of the machines have 5.25" floppies. These machines require a terminal (not provided) for operation. In the past, Lear Siegler ADM - type terminals have been used. At last count, all three computers were working, but no guarantees are implied. Postage MUST be paid by the recipient!! There are no other charges to receive these computers. Save money if you want to drive to Dayton and pick them up. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- PLEASE !!!! ONLY INTERESTED PARTIES NEED REPLY !!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are interested, send a response to: SHAYDEN@matrix.cs.wright.edu NOT TO THIS ACCOUNT!!!!!!!!! Please include a telephone number that you can be reached at. ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 15:45:10 PDT (Thu) From: donk%amadeus.wr.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: INFO-CPM Digest mail address change Message-ID: <9105232245.AA04997@amadeus.WR.TEK.COM> Please change my email address from donk@dadla.wr.tek.com to donk@amadeus.tek.com. Thank you. -Don Kirkpatrick (donk@amadeus.WR.TEK.COM) UUCP: ...!uunet!tektronix!amadeus.wr.tek.com!donk ARPA: ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 22:04:23 GMT From: littlei!intelhf!ptdcell0!dkling@uunet.uu.net (Dean Kling) Subject: Kaypro drive ID was Re: (none) Message-ID: <1991May23.220423.23549@intelhf.hf.intel.com> In article <283AB586.2143@orion.oac.uci.edu> wiedeman@altair.acs.uci.edu (Lyle Wiedeman) writes: >I have a Kaypro II'83 which after 8 years of loyal service, lost >the ability to boot. (Drive A can't read the boot track of ANY >disk, old, new, or master.) I tried the drive-head cleaning trick >with no apparent effect. [...] >Question 2: Barring that, does anyone know how the drives are keyed >to their identities? >-- > Lyle Wiedeman Distributed Computing Support > wiedeman@uci.edu Office of Academic Computing > wiedeman@UCI.BITNET Univ. Calif. Irvine My old computers are packed away at the moment, but as I reacall there is a jumper or dip swith block for drive select (usually silkscreened on the printed circuit as DS0.DS1.DS2.DS3 (or sometimes starting with 1 vice 0). The other item is terminating resistors, which are usually a DIP or SIP pack near the drive select jumpers. The terminating resistors need to be on the drive at the END of the cable. This was before IBM created the abomination of inserting a twist in the drive cable to avoid having to set the jumpers. Dean dkling@ptd.intel.com -- ============================================================================== Dean F. Kling dkling@ptd.intel.com (503) 642-6829 I don't speak for Intel ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 04:22:56 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!ewen@uunet.uu.net (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Osborne 1, Questions Answered Message-ID: <1991May23.042256.12302@actrix.gen.nz> A great big thank you to all the people who replied to my request for help with the Osborne 1 that I have been given. The verdict is that an IBM drive can be put into the machine, if one tries hard enough. One has to handle the power supply connections, which are a separate connector on the IBM drives, but on the underside of the Osborne drives. The IBM drives have an earth on the underside of the connector. Do *NOT* try connecting it up just to find out if it would work. Something will melt down. The verdict on the serial port and modem port appear to be that they are the same control lines inside the machine. The RS232 port apparently is only TTL levels, so some line driver/receivr chips would be needed. Speed choices are 300 and 1200, although there is apparently a link inside which can make this 600 or 2400 (from IMP overlay). The good news about my Osborne is that the B drive appears to be sort of working. It works once I have formatted a disk in it. I think the main reason that this works is that it causes the drive to step, and thus realign onto the disk. The BIOS in my Amstrad does this automatically when it has problems (steps out a track, and back, and also seeks to first/last track and back -- solves some problems). This semi-strongly suggests an alignment problem to me, so I might have a look around and see what I can fiddle with... :-) Anyway, thank you very much to everyone who offered help. -- Ewen McNeill, ewen@actrix.gen.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 91 09:59:18 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #94 Re. Kaypro II can't boot from disk A. Very simple. As always, there is IBM (which ignores the rest of the world) and the rest of the world. Since KAYPRO belongs to the rest of the world, I assume that the common 34 wire flat cable was left intact with all wires parallel. On each of your drives there is a set of jumpers where you almost certainly will recognize that ONE of DS0 DS1 DS2 DS3 is jumpered; DS0 on your present A, DS1 on your present B is ALMOST certain. Just exchange the position of these jumpers. You will also notice that on ONE drive board there is a vacant socket compared to the other. The vacant socket MUST be on the drive which is NOT at the end of the cable, the thing in the socket which looks like a chip is a set of resistors terminating the flat cable for correct impedance. Be EXCEEDINGLY careful not to break its legs if you try to relocate that pseudo-chip on an other drive, when you remove it. The caveat about IBM is that for reasons which my limited brain was unable to understand, BIG BLUE of course can't use the DSn jumpers for what there were designed for, and obtains the same result by crossing a few wires in the cable, which then ceases to be flat between the first and the second drive. In this arrangement, both drives have the jumper selection in the same position. Finally, some old (or is it recent) drives have the jumpers labelles DS1 to DS 4, not DS0 to DS 1. Just in case some reader might need such clarification. Also, it is NOT a Law of Nature that the lowest drive is A etc... The system generation software with my LOBO MAX-80 allows to change these assignments. Even if the KAYPRO has the same capability, it won't help, since you can't boot your machine, **BUT**, if the Kaypro HAS this software, and you can run it to write a new boot disk on an OTHER machine, then you could get a boot from drive B without opening your machine. Jacques J. Goldberg "Prof. of Physics" ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 21:21:23 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!central!digi!mmitchel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mitch Mitchell) Subject: ten megabyte disk drive wanted Message-ID: <1991May22.212123.14095@digi.lonestar.org> I am in the middle of rejuvenating two Altos 5-5 systems. I need a source for 10meg ST-506 compatable hard disks. I'd really appreciate any pointers to sources, especially if they are local to the Dallas/Ft.Worth area. Thanks, Mitch Mitchell -- ************************************************************************** * {letni | egsner | mic | supernet}!harlie!mitch Mitch Mitchell * * {uunet | texsun | sulaco}!digi!mmitchel Voice Mail (214) 519-3257 * * mmitchel@digi.lonestar.org FidoNet: 1:124/4115.224 * ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #95 ************************************ 27-May-91 21:38:02-MDT,6571;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 27-May-91 21:29:37 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 May 91 21:29:37 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #96 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910527212938.V91N96@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 27 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 96 Today's Topics: 5.25" on 8" controller CRR0110.ZIP - Offline message reader for XRS_Door Osborne 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 May 91 06:46:20 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!helios!tamuts!jdb8042@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (John Donald Baker) Subject: 5.25" on 8" controller Message-ID: <16528@helios.TAMU.EDU> I have recently begun the process of putting 5.25 80-track (high-density) disk drives on by 8" disk controller. Although I have had some initial success, I have hit a few snags that some people on this newsgroup may be able to help me solve. For the record, the significant parts of my system are: Extended-keyboard Apple //e (PCPI Applicard for CP/M) SVA ZVX4 Dual-Density 8" disk controller (in Slot 7) 2 Shugart SA801 Single-Sided Disk drives (SA800 mode, Soft sector) The 5.25"drives I'm adding are TEAC FD55GFR's (2). The drives have been jumpered for their appropriate addresses (DS2, DS3) and position 34 on the card edge supplies a READY signal. All corresponding interface signals have been mapped from the 8" controller 50-pin connector to the 5.25" drives' 34-pin connector with the exception that HEADLOAD is applied to the IN-USE position and IN-USE is applied to MOTOR-ON. At this time, the drived are strapped to turn the motor on when the front bezel light is lit. This causes the drives to begin running when they are selected, but since the controller does not de-select a drive after initial access, they continue to run until another drive is selected. Currently, this works to advantage because a second access is necessary to permit a disk operation to succeed. This is most likely because either the 5.25" drive does not come READY fast enough for the controller to acknow- ledge or the controller expects the drive to be ready before issuing HEADLOAD or IN-USE signals. Question 1: How may I get the disk drives to start up only when actually accessed (not just selected) and stop when done. Question 2: What solution(s) are there to the apparent time-out on the drive (not ready in time)? The soolution to this may also provide a solution for Ques. 1. Qestion 3: What are symptoms of a drive system with too many terminators installed? Can this condition manifest itself in the form of errors while formatting disks? (The 5.25" drives' terminating resistiors are soldered in and the drives are in parallel with the 8" drives [rather than chained after them] which also have otherwise proper termination [drives DS0, DS1 with terminators on DS1] for only two drives. I have been able to format disks with the 5.25" drives, but there are considerable errors in the process with the drive designated DS2 at the end of the 5.25" chain [tee]. Pleas note that any and all solutions must be compatible with 8" drives remaining in the system. I remember seeing a description of a small circuit which solved the problem of DRIVE READY timeouts, perhaps the person who wrote that message could email it to me as per my .sig. Thanks for the help. John D. Baker ->An Apple 3.5", 5.25", 8" PCPI Applicard ZCPR3 nut// Internet: JDB8042@{tamuts|rigel|sigma|summa|zeus|venus|ceres}.tamu.edu BBSs: JOHN BAKER on Z-Node #45 [(713) 937-8886], The Vector Board [(716) 544-1863], The Phoenix: [(713) 495-3039], The Black Box (FIDO 1:106/601) [(713) 480-2686], O.U.C.H. FOG-20 [(713) 777-2114] Karnache: "Fire at will!" Wil (desperately dodging a hail of automatic weapons fire): "AAAAIYEEEE!!" Karnache: "No, no. Do not fire at Wil, he is my Second Mate. FIRE AT THE SEA-DUCK!!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 91 23:54:53 BST From: Paul Martin Subject: CRR0110.ZIP - Offline message reader for XRS_Door Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Message-ID: I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2: CRR0110.ZIP Offline message reader for XRS_Door CRR is the CP/M offline reader for use anywhere XRS might be used on an MSDOS machine. It allows you to read and reply to downloaded messages from a conforming QBBS, RemoteAccess or SuperBBS Fidonet bulletin board. In order to use this software you will need an archiving program (eg. ARK or ARC), an archive extractor (UNZIP included), and a text editor (eg. VDE or ZDE). -- Paul Martin pm.nowster@tharr.uucp tharr!pm.nowster@uunet.UU.NET ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 16:53:52 GMT From: nuchat!farwest!Uucp@uunet.uu.net (Charles Cotham) Subject: Osborne 1 Message-ID: <675106084.0@farwest.FidoNet> Ewen, I am talking off the top of my head right now, my tech manual are at the house, but I believe that the Osb-1 serial port has normal RS-232 levels. The modem port is the port with the TTL levels, I have a schematic at the house to build an adapter to change the modem port to regular 232 levels using , 1488 and 1489 driver chips as I remember. It also has the resistances to insert in the other lines on the Modem Port. To use the Serial port with a Hayes type modem you have to use pins 2 & 3 reversed to the modem and pin 7 to pin 7 on the modem. Imp 244 works real well on mine and ZMP 15 with zmodem protocal is also nice. I have a couple of articles on drive alignment and a mod to increase the readability of Osborne drive span with a capacitor change. Leave me a note or my address is below if you would like some of the info I have. I would be glad to send it to you. See you later. Love my OZZIE. Charles Cotham 2205 Lilac Street Nederland, Tx 77627 PS: Heck I love all 8 of my Ozzies * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #96 ************************************ 29-May-91 01:35:35-MDT,5315;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 29-May-91 01:29:45 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 May 91 01:29:44 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #97 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910529012945.V91N97@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 29 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 97 Today's Topics: Conversion from CP/M-86 to DOS Re: (none) Re: Osborne 1 Re: Osborne 1, Questions Answered ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 May 91 05:11:13 GMT From: ogicse!plains!tericks%plains.NoDak.edu@uunet.uu.net (Terry Erickson) Subject: Conversion from CP/M-86 to DOS Message-ID: <10661@plains.NoDak.edu> Greetings, I have a question about a NEC APC, running CP/M-86, with two 8" drives. I was wondering if it was at all possible to completely change over from CP/M to DOS. If not, are file conversions possible between the two, like converting an executable to run on the CP/M machine from a DOS exec, if so how would I go about doing it and where would I find the software to do it. Thanks in advance for any help on these questions. Terry Erickson ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 91 06:19:13 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Joe_W_Wright@apple.com Subject: Re: (none) Message-ID: <42710@cup.portal.com> You will find 'berg' jumpers on the floppy disk pc boards very near the signal connector. The jumper positions will be labeled ds0..3 or ds1..4 or something. Drive A will be jumpered one way and drive B another. Simply move the jumpers to 'swap' the drives. Hope this helps. Joe Wright ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 91 09:55:16 EST From: Kevin J. Cummings Subject: Re: Osborne 1 I tried conmecting an Osborne 1 to my S100 machine via its SSM IO/4 card. The SSM card would drive RS-232 via a 1488 chip @ +/- 12V, but would receive RS-232 via a couple of transistors (had to do with the board's capability of running current loops instead of EIA, if you strapped it right). The transistor bridge was little more than a voltage divider (it divided the incoming voltage by 3 if I remember right). RS-232 signals which were driven at +/- 12V would be converted to +/-4 Volts, which seems to work OK with the on board TTL circuts. HOWEVER, when I connected this to the Osborne-1 serial port, I was only getting 1-way communication. From the SSM to the osborne worked OK. It was the Osborne to SSM line which didn't work (at all). This turned out to be that the Osborne used a -9V (which while being within the EIA specifications for RS-232C voltages) which is not common. It did however use +12V for the other voltage level. The result was that the SSM receiver would divide the -9 down to -3V which is never-never land for TTL levels, and the SSM board woould fail. (Now before I get flamed, I know that TTL uses 0V (gnd) for 0, and 3.5V or so to about 9V for 1, so I must not be remembering the entire receive circut on the SSM board from memory, and my schematic for it is at home right now. Somewhere the circut converted the +/- signals into +/0V.) While +12/-9 is within the EIA spec, the Osborne is the ONLY peice of RS-232 compliant equipment I have used with my SSM that didn't work (without a -12V pull down being added to the input circut). I therefore have trouble believing that the Osborne uses "normal RS-232 levels". I do however believe that if the SSM board had used a 1489 for its receiver, that it would have "done the right thing" with the signals received from the Osborne. Caveat Empteur. ------------------------------ Date: 28 May 91 14:59:42 GMT From: tdatirv!pa1@uunet.uu.net (Pat Alvarado) Subject: Re: Osborne 1, Questions Answered Message-ID: <7@tdatirv.UUCP> In article <1991May23.042256.12302@actrix.gen.nz> ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) writes: >The verdict on the serial port and modem port appear to be that they are >the same control lines inside the machine. The RS232 port apparently is >only TTL levels, so some line driver/receivr chips would be needed. >Speed choices are 300 and 1200, although there is apparently a link >inside which can make this 600 or 2400 (from IMP overlay). > The Osborne 1 uses the standard 1488 and 1489 chips to the external port of the RS232 interface, and uses +/- 12VDC to drive the signals. The speed of the RS232 port can be software selectable between two speeds. There is a way to strap the clock chip to allow up to 4800/9600 bps operation. This information is from my Osborne 1 Technical Reference Manual, which indicates on the schematic how to strap the clock chip. -- ||| Pat Alvarado | v Teradata Corporation | tdat!pa1@suntzu.sun.com /\ /\ 100 N. Sepulveda Blvd. | uunet!edsews!hacgate!tdat!pa1 /// \\\ El Segundo, Calif. 90245 | pa1@tdat.teradata.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #97 ************************************ 31-May-91 03:09:39-MDT,8219;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 31-May-91 03:04:09 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 May 91 03:04:09 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #98 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910531030409.V91N98@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 31 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 98 Today's Topics: Exxon/Zilog Computer Kaypro drive ID was Re: (none) Need help reading H-89 floppy disks Onyx terminal (OT-80) manual and TCAP wanted QTERM-related files uploaded to SIMTEL20 Re: Osborne 1, Questions Answered Scott Adams adventures wanted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 91 11:17:37 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: Exxon/Zilog Computer Message-ID: <9105301117.AA01254@LL.MIT.EDU> Someone contacted me recently who has a pair of Exxon/Zilog computers that use Z80s and connect via some kind of network. He cannot get the machines to boot. Is anyone out there familiar with this machine? Can you help with any information about the machine? -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 02:44:49 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!nuchat!farwest!Uucp@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (JOHN ANDEERSON) Subject: Kaypro drive ID was Re: (none) Message-ID: <675510806.0@farwest.FidoNet> Dean, As previously mentioned the DS jumpers are the key. I would recommend rotating the drives, A to B B to A. REmove the terminating resistor form drive B, the last drive in the chain. place the Terminating resistor in Drive A. THe T-RES will look like an intgrated circuite but will have a 10 ohm symbol on it. Set drive A for DS0 on the jumpers, set drive B to DS1 on the jumpers. If you jumpers begin at 1 - 4 instead of 0 - 3, use 1 and 2 respectively. If you have any questins please feel feel free to call MIDECON ZNODDE #16 (518) 489-1307 STARLINK 9192. GOOD LUCK, John-A ZNode #16 * Origin: The Black Box RCP/M MSBBS, 713-480-2686 HST/V32/V42bis (106/601) ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 91 02:51:06 GMT From: weyrich!orville@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich) Subject: Need help reading H-89 floppy disks Message-ID: <1991May31.025106.1119@weyrich.UUCP> Help! I have 5 Single Sided Single Density Hard Sector 40 track 5 1/4" floppy disks that work with a Heathkit/Zenith H-89/Z-89 computer. I need to transfer the contents of these disks to either Morrow MD-11 readable 5 1/4" disks (ideally DS/DD 360K), IBM-PC format (360K or 1.2M), or any CP/M format that is readable by Media-Master (i.e., just about any soft-sector format). Is there someone out in net-land that has the equipment to do this for me (for suitable compensation)? Alternatively, does someone have a copy of the Microsoft COBOL-80 CP/M compiler that they could give me a copy of on some soft-sector 5 1/4" media? [There should be no licensing problem, since I have the distribution disks in hard-sector format; I just can't read them]. Please respond via e-mail, as comp.os.cpm is not in my news feed. Thanks, uunet!weyrich!orville orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net -------------------------------------- ****************************** Orville R. Weyrich, Jr., Ph.D. Certified Systems Professional Internet: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net Weyrich Computer Consulting Voice: (602) 391-0821 POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261 Fax: (602) 391-0023 (Yes! I'm available) -------------------------------------- ****************************** ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 91 02:13:26 GMT From: fernwood!cronos!mnementh!rush@decwrl.dec.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Onyx terminal (OT-80) manual and TCAP wanted Message-ID: <722@cronos.metaphor.com> A non-Usenet friend of mine has asked me to post the following message. Please reply to him directly at MCGLONE_DAVID@TANDEM.COM. Hi, gang. I've just picked up a late-model Onyx terminal, an OT-80. This is the model with a separate keyboard featuring 16 function keys, a full cursor pad with the arrow keys arranged in a cross, and a full number pad. I want to replace the Televideo 950 I'm using now, but first I need (a) a manual for the Onyx, including how to program the function keys and the screen, and (b) a TCAP. Please reply to MCGLONE_DAVID@TANDEM.COM if you are willing to sell or give me a manual or a copy of a manual for this terminal. I will be awaiting your replies eagerly! -- ----------------------------------------- Ed Rush, employed by but not speaking for Metaphor Computers, Mtn. View, CA UUCP: [...!{apple|decwrl}!]metaphor!mnementh!rush Internet: rush@mnementh.metaphor.com ----------------------------------------- Calm down, everyone, it's only ones and zeroes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 91 18:18:12 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: QTERM-related files uploaded to SIMTEL20 Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Message-ID: I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2: QTERM43E.LBR Terminal prog. X/Ymodem, Kermit & VT100 emul. QT43SRC.LBR Source for QTERM43E.LBR (compiles with ZSM) QT43EFX2.ARK Fix for a Ymodem send bug in QTERM v43E QTPAT42.LBR Machine-specific QTERM overlays (v42 & later) QT-ZBA.ZY QTERM Overlay for the Telcon Zorba Extract the file QTERM.FOR from QTERM43E.LBR to get a synopsis of QTERM's capabilities. New in this version is support of extended-length packets in Kermit protocol transfers and some Kermit Server functions. -- Mike Freeman K7UIJ -- ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 91 01:43:25 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!ewen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Re: Osborne 1, Questions Answered Message-ID: <1991May30.014325.339@actrix.gen.nz> In article <7@tdatirv.UUCP> pa1@tdatirv.UUCP (Pat Alvarado) writes: > In article <1991May23.042256.12302@actrix.gen.nz> ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) writes: > >The RS232 port apparently is > >only TTL levels, so some line driver/receivr chips would be needed. > > The Osborne 1 uses the standard 1488 and 1489 chips to the external port > of the RS232 interface, and uses +/- 12VDC to drive the signals. > Sorry, folks. I mis-read the data I was sent. TX, and RX are held at normal levels. Some of the information I was sent, however, noted that some control lines were held at +5V. This confused me, when I quickly put together a summary. > ||| Pat Alvarado | > v Teradata Corporation | tdat!pa1@suntzu.sun.com > /\ /\ 100 N. Sepulveda Blvd. | uunet!edsews!hacgate!tdat!pa1 > /// \\\ El Segundo, Calif. 90245 | pa1@tdat.teradata.com -- Ewen McNeill, ewen@actrix.gen.nz ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 91 00:24:36 GMT From: giza.cis.ohio-state.edu@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ethan R Dicks) Subject: Scott Adams adventures wanted Message-ID: <127656@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> I am trying to locate a copy of the *old* Scott Adams adventure games. I know that a disk with 11 games was sold about 6 or 7 years ago for MS-DOS and CP/M. Since I have the ability to run all sorts of software, either will work. Does anyone out in net.land have an old copy they would be willing to part with? Thanks, -ethan -- Ethan R. 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