4-Aug-91 23:23:44-MDT,13642;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 91 23:15:26 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #135 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910804231527.V91N135@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 4 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 135 Today's Topics: ASM routines for 64180 chip uploaded to SIMTEL20 pd:filepl31.lbr problems Re: RCP/Ms and Z-Nodes Re: zde vs vde (2 msgs) SIMTEL20 is now on the NSFNET as well as the Milnet UUNET here? ZSM23: LIB.L corrupt? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Aug 91 14:12:35 EST From: henryb@USAGE.CSD.UNSW.OZ.AU (Dr Henry Brancik) Subject: ASM routines for 64180 chip uploaded to SIMTEL20 Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Message-ID: <9108050412.AA01082@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2: HD64180A.LBR Collection of .ASM routines for 64180 chip HD64180B.LBR HD64180 programs for embedded controllers The CRCs are: ---> HD64180B.LBR CRC = E6 16 ---> HD64180A.LBR CRC = 28 9E The author of the software in both libraries is Richard C. Holmes of SME Systems, (Melbourne, Australia). This is what he wants to say about the software: ---------------------------------------- To : Whom It May Concern From : Richard C Holmes Date : 23/07/1991 Re : Z80 Source code modules / monitor / Exec / download In General ---------- The software on this disk / in this library constitutes a very large and extended programming (and debugging) effort over a number of years. It will be largely up to the user to determine how to use the software provided as it has always been an in-house product - no manuals exist for this software. The software is used to provide a control monitor program with quite a few facilities that make programming embedded Z80 systems a lot easier. The soft- ware is supplied in source and library form suitable for the RMAC/LINK/LIB digital research products and includes some batch files for linkage. RMAC was used as this is what I learned on and stuck to, thick and thin! Stop here. I am not interested in a debate as to the reletive merits of Intel instruction set vs Zilog. I learned on Intel with ASM on a CP/M 1.4 system and have stayed with these op-codes. Well, o.k. - I'll have my say : I hate LD as an opcode - MVI/LXI/LHLD/LDED/STA/LDA.. etc.. are much more descriptive and "talk better in my head". I feel they are thefore less prone to being used by mistake than the common cure all LD instruction when you gotta use brackets and other things. URK. I bet it's difficult finding a mis-used LD instruction! The Copyrights of SME Systems and Holmes Industries are mine. I am a director of both companies and I HEREBY permit all the Z80 and HD64180 type software to be used so long as :- 1. No charge is made for it. It is still my code. You can use it, modify it, extract from it BUT NOT SELL IT. If you sell it then lets talk! 2. No liability under any circumstance is placed upon me or any of my companies due to its use or mis-use. You use the code, then any problems are yours. These notes have been written to a long time after the enclosed software was written. Signed...... Richard C Holmes. CAVEATs ------- The software that I give you has been used by me and my customers for years. This is not to say that it is bug free or even that it is suitable for anything other than looking at. Standard disclaimer.. All the code is in the Digital Research RMAC format and the (partial) support library I wrote for the hitachi derivative are provided. There are undoubtedly some enhanced instructions I have not bothered to encode....... I try to stick to a "RISC" type programming methode whereby I use a limited set of simple instructions and avoid at all cost anything that may get me "caught up". I like my code to be SIMPLE. As to the software itself, I have not been overly bothered with tricky programming and tight code, rather, with making the source a little easier to work with and therefore reletively "clean". If I needed a faster program then I use a faster hardware solution. It is MUCH cheaper than fiddling with software unless quantity is involved. If you want tricky super tight software then forget it! I hope you agree with me. To us in a small-run commercial environment where debug time can be expensive, a little extra time spent planning and writing more maintainable code has been encouraged. I am giving this software to you because I have little use for it now. I love the Z80 and its derivatives and would like to see other users benefit from my effort. If you feel strongly enough about the software that you must tell me something, then please do so. I can be reached best via our post box : Richard Holmes SME Systems P/L P.O. Box 409, Mitcham, VIC. 3132 Australia. Good luck. Z80 forever.......Richard. ---------------------------------------- Since I uploaded his ASMLIB.LBR I had a few enquiries about the software he has written for the Hitachi HD64180 chip. So there it is. I hope some will find it useful. Regards, Henry Brancik, E-mail: (UNIX system) henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz (ACSnet) henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (AARnet) S-nail: Univ. N.S.W., Sch. Fiber Sci. Technl., P.O. Box 1, Kensington, N.S.W. 2033, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 19:54 CST From: TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU Subject: pd:filepl31.lbr problems Message-ID: <383DE86B02FF2011B2@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Hello, I am having trouble getting the program mentioned in the subject line to run properly. The program crashes after the prompt for the data file. Would someone else be willing to check it out? I am running a TRS-80 model 4 w/64K ram (~60K of TPA). Your assistance is appreciated. Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt.bitn ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 91 00:43:51 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!cc.curtin.edu.au!nmurrayr@uunet.uu.net (Ron Murray) Subject: Re: RCP/Ms and Z-Nodes Message-ID: <1991Jul30.084351.9043@cc.curtin.edu.au> In article , cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes: > > To which etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au (What a Guy!) replied: >>Well, that list is bogus. Z-node #50 has not been in existance >>for at least two years. I remember calling it in late '89 only to >>find it disconnected. The good news is that: Z-node 62, run by >>Lindsay Allen & Ron Murray is going quite nicely. They are even >>on Fido-net. If anyone wants the ZN62 Fido-net node number, I'll >>get it for them! > Minor correction here: Lindsay runs ZN62 quite well on his own: I help here and there where I can, and write the odd bit of software (and most of it IS odd, I can tell you!). We're about to upgrade to a full Fido node: we're 3:690/640.7 at the moment. One reason it took so long was that Foodo didn't have an official FTSC product code: I'd had several attempts at applying for one, but the local mailers kept eating my applications. We finally got it over the weekend, and I'm even beginning to get enthusiastic over it again! .....Ron -- *** Ron Murray Internet: Murray_RJ@cc.curtin.edu.au "The world is a pork chop" -- #44 in a series of profound sayings ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 10:24:38 GMT From: Christopher Currie (IHR) Subject: RE: zde vs vde Message-ID: Ian Justman writes: > You'd be better off using ZDE which is more up-to-date than VDE > > (the author of VDE doesn't support CP/M anymore) and is ZCPR3 > > compatible. A problem with ZDE is that the installation program doesn't seem to be easy to get hold of. I was looking for it on Simtel20 a few weeks ago and it wasn't there. Although I use ZDE, it's annoying not to be able to change the defaults. The installation program for VDE 2.66 is avaialable from SIMTEL20 and wuarchive. Christopher ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 91 16:15:27 GMT From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net (Bill Marcum) Subject: Re: zde vs vde Message-ID: <1991Aug1.161527.21494@world.std.com> In article THRA004@mvs.ulcc.ac.uk (Christopher Currie, IHR) writes: > >Ian Justman writes: > > > You'd be better off using ZDE which is more up-to-date than VDE >> > (the author of VDE doesn't support CP/M anymore) and is ZCPR3 >> > compatible. > >A problem with ZDE is that the installation program doesn't seem >to be easy to get hold of. I was looking for it on Simtel20 a few >weeks ago and it wasn't there. Although I use ZDE, it's annoying >not to be able to change the defaults. > >The installation program for VDE 2.66 is avaialable from SIMTEL20 >and wuarchive. > >Christopher > The ZDE 1.6 LBR file on GEnie includes the installation program. Bill Marcum bmarcum@world.std.com GEnie: B.MARCUM "Does Buddha have the emacs nature?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1991 07:23 MDT From: Keith Petersen Subject: SIMTEL20 is now on the NSFNET as well as the Milnet Message-ID: SIMTEL20 is now connected to the NSFNET via WESTNET. Its regular Milnet connection continues. This should provide much improved FTP throughput for non-Milnet users because the packets are no longer going through the Milnet gateways, and some improvement for Milnet users as a result of reduced network load. Comments or problem reports should be sent to: Action@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 91 14:53 EDT From: JSHIN@hamp.hampshire.edu Subject: UUNET here? Hi! I just moved to NYC from Mass. To avoid large phone bills, I had do sign off from this list.... What a bummer. But, I would like to stay in touch... and was wondering if there was a UUNET or FIDONET node in Staten Island that I can connect to.... or a Mirroring BBS? Manhattan is fine, too... I will switch to a different metering plan. It's darn worth it!!!!! (Please remember I am in the process of signing off. Please reply directly to JSHIN@HampVMS.bitnet. Thanks!) Thanks again! -John ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 91 21:27:25 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!ewen@uunet.uu.net (Ewen McNeill) Subject: ZSM23: LIB.L corrupt? Message-ID: <1991Aug03.212725.7788@actrix.gen.nz> [Sorry if this is a duplicate - our news posting program has been rejecting stuff for most of the day, or at least appearing to.] I was given a copy of David Goodenough's ZSM23.LBR, assembler package. It looks like a really good assembler, with lots of useful subroutines supplied. However, when I came to extract the files, I found that two of the files in my copy of ZSM23.LBR had the wrong checksums (I used CRCK4.COM to generate the checksums - everything else was okay). The two files were: LIB.L and LIB.DOC file READ-ME my CRCK LIB.L 57-81 16-60 LIB.DOC 45-F1 48-01 I am not so worried about LIB.DOC as I am about LIB.L. When I tried to reassemble ZCAT.Z, and link it, everything appeared to go okay until I tried to run it. I used: C> ZCAT wgtnbb57.txt This type of command line arguement worked with the version that was supplied compiled, but not with my new version that I had assembled. The program failed with a BDOS error saying that drive H: didn't exist. Not surprising - I don't have a drive H. I would be interested to hear the CRCK values that other people get for these files. Depending on the values, I might be interested in obtaining a copy of these files (uuencoded) by mail. NOTE: PLEASE DON'T JUST SEND THE FILES. I don't want dozens of files turning up in my mailbox, especially as I pay for it by volume. If you are willing to send me the files, please send an offer first, and I will get back to you. BTW, I do know that the ZSM23.LBR package is available from the RNA at David's UUCP site, but there are two problems with just requesting it. Firstly, I don't know if it suffers from the same problem , and secondly, I would rather not get a 90K file by Email, just because one small part of my version is corrupt (cost, see above). Thanks in advance for the assistance. -- Ewen McNeill, ewen@actrix.gen.nz ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #135 ************************************* 7-Aug-91 08:19:58-MDT,11143;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 08:15:09 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #136 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910807081510.V91N136@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 7 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 136 Today's Topics: DR F77 Compiler & Dungeon. Epson QX10 user group in Chicago multiuser Altos 5-15ad - $200 New uploads on SIMTEL pd:filepl31.lbr problems (more info). zde vs vde/Qterm/Simtel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Aug 91 08:25:26 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!warwick!nott-cs!unicorn!cczdvh@uunet.uu.net (David Valentine-Hagart) Subject: DR F77 Compiler & Dungeon. Message-ID: <1991Aug7.082526.29005@cs.nott.ac.uk> Dear CPM wizards.. two related things. First does anyone out there have a list of the options available on DR's F77 compiler Ver. 4.1 running under CPM/86 (syntax.. F77 Filename ??options) as I got this with my machine but (as ever) no docs. I am after this info 'cause I am trying to compile Dungeon (aka Zork) for my machine. The source is supposed to compile under F77 but I am getting LOTS of errors. To avoid an attempt to re-invent the wheel has anyone managed to port this to run under CPM/86. I have the original VAX version & an MSDOS version at work, but would really like to play at home :-> Thanks Dave VH. (Ack...Junior Adventurer....Ack) ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 18:24:35 GMT From: iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!netnews.upenn.edu!eniac.seas.upenn.edu!chaim@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Dr. Chaim R. Dworkin) Subject: Epson QX10 user group in Chicago Message-ID: <47770@netnews.upenn.edu> Can anyone tell me if there is an Epson user group in Chicago which supports the QX-10? Anyone know of any CP/M BBSs or Epson BBSs in the Chicago area which support the QX-10? Thanks. Chaim -- Chaim Dworkin (chaim@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 15:01:07 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!news@rutgers.edu (Andreas Meyer) Subject: multiuser Altos 5-15ad - $200 Message-ID: Altos Series 5 microcomputer, Model 5-15ad Ready to run! This machine supports 3 users! Hardware: Z80 CPU, 64k RAM Dual 5.25" floppy drives (700k each) 4 serial ports (3 user, 1 printer) 1 parallel port (alt. printer) User's manual Software: MP/M CP/M CCS Business BASIC ...and much, much more! Compact! Only 7"H x 14"W x 16"D! Asking $200 Email or phone: Andy 908-668-6202 weekdays -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE jacked into cyberspace from my home in Dunellen, NJ Internet: ahm@gnat.rent.com uucp: {backbone}!att!nsscmail!gnat!ahm ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 07:50:41 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!usage.csd.unsw.oz.au!henryb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dr Henry Brancik) Subject: New uploads on SIMTEL Message-ID: <2078@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au> I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2: HD64180A.LBR Collection of .ASM routines for 64180 chip HD64180B.LBR HD64180 programs for embedded controllers The CRCs are: ---> HD64180B.LBR CRC = E6 16 ---> HD64180A.LBR CRC = 28 9E The author of the software in both libraries is Richard C. Holmes of SME Systems, (Melbourne, Australia). This is what he wants to say about the software: ---------------------------------------- To : Whom It May Concern >From : Richard C Holmes Date : 23/07/1991 Re : Z80 Source code modules / monitor / Exec / download In General ---------- The software on this disk / in this library constitutes a very large and extended programming (and debugging) effort over a number of years. It will be largely up to the user to determine how to use the software provided as it has always been an in-house product - no manuals exist for this software. The software is used to provide a control monitor program with quite a few facilities that make programming embedded Z80 systems a lot easier. The soft- ware is supplied in source and library form suitable for the RMAC/LINK/LIB digital research products and includes some batch files for linkage. RMAC was used as this is what I learned on and stuck to, thick and thin! Stop here. I am not interested in a debate as to the reletive merits of Intel instruction set vs Zilog. I learned on Intel with ASM on a CP/M 1.4 system and have stayed with these op-codes. Well, o.k. - I'll have my say : I hate LD as an opcode - MVI/LXI/LHLD/LDED/STA/LDA.. etc.. are much more descriptive and "talk better in my head". I feel they are thefore less prone to being used by mistake than the common cure all LD instruction when you gotta use brackets and other things. URK. I bet it's difficult finding a mis-used LD instruction! The Copyrights of SME Systems and Holmes Industries are mine. I am a director of both companies and I HEREBY permit all the Z80 and HD64180 type software to be used so long as :- 1. No charge is made for it. It is still my code. You can use it, modify it, extract from it BUT NOT SELL IT. If you sell it then lets talk! 2. No liability under any circumstance is placed upon me or any of my companies due to its use or mis-use. You use the code, then any problems are yours. These notes have been written to a long time after the enclosed software was written. Signed...... Richard C Holmes. CAVEATs ------- The software that I give you has been used by me and my customers for years. This is not to say that it is bug free or even that it is suitable for anything other than looking at. Standard disclaimer.. All the code is in the Digital Research RMAC format and the (partial) support library I wrote for the hitachi derivative are provided. There are undoubtedly some enhanced instructions I have not bothered to encode....... I try to stick to a "RISC" type programming methode whereby I use a limited set of simple instructions and avoid at all cost anything that may get me "caught up". I like my code to be SIMPLE. As to the software itself, I have not been overly bothered with tricky programming and tight code, rather, with making the source a little easier to work with and therefore reletively "clean". If I needed a faster program then I use a faster hardware solution. It is MUCH cheaper than fiddling with software unless quantity is involved. If you want tricky super tight software then forget it! I hope you agree with me. To us in a small-run commercial environment where debug time can be expensive, a little extra time spent planning and writing more maintainable code has been encouraged. I am giving this software to you because I have little use for it now. I love the Z80 and its derivatives and would like to see other users benefit from my effort. If you feel strongly enough about the software that you must tell me something, then please do so. I can be reached best via our post box : Richard Holmes SME Systems P/L P.O. Box 409, Mitcham, VIC. 3132 Australia. Good luck. Z80 forever.......Richard. ---------------------------------------- Since I uploaded his ASMLIB.LBR I had a few enquiries about the software he has written for the Hitachi HD64180 chip. So there it is. I hope some will find it useful. Henry Brancik, E-mail: (UNIX system) henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz (ACSnet) henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (AARnet) S-nail: Univ. N.S.W., Sch. Fiber Sci. Technl., P.O. Box 1, Kensington, N.S.W. 2033, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 91 23:30 CST From: TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU Subject: pd:filepl31.lbr problems (more info). Message-ID: <35C44CFB1DDF20144E@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Hello everyone, I have still been unable to get fileplot to work on my trs-80 model 4 with Montezuma Micro cp/m. The program would either abort at the prompt for the input data file if I entered a drive specification along with the name of the file, or lock up completely when I pressed return to use the default file specification. The install program could not find fileplot.com at all. I tried running fileplot on my televideo ts803h, and it worked proplerly. So I tried running the install program to set it up for my printer. The install program did find fileplot.com and told me that it was set up for a Proprinter correctly, but aborted with a run-time error (i/o error 99) when I tried to have it install for Epson printers. The documentation says that the program is written in turo pascal? Examination of the .com file shows a Borland International copyright notice. Is there problem with turbo pascal .com files that these platforms? Has anyone else gotten this program to run? Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 91 03:57:46 EDT From: Steve.Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: zde vs vde/Qterm/Simtel Message-ID: <9522703@ub.cc.umich.edu> Several of you have said that I'd be better off using zde than vde. I like vde and it's nice and small, which is the reason I started using it in the first place. What advantage does zde have, and how big is it? I am using the current version of vde for most things, but an older version on disks that I need more space on, as it (the older one) is only 10k, as opposed to 16k. (And I'm still looking for the installation file for the 10k version so I can channge its defaults.) On to Qterm. I followed someone's advice and found out how to add blank characters as pad at the end of the line on our mainframe system, and that helped a lot. Just adding a three-characters-worth delay keeps from dropping characters on screen, and gives my Kaypro time to catch up with most of the vt100 control codes. Once in a while the vt100 still gets confused, no matter how long the pad is, but the situation is vastly improved. (So how do I pad the end of the line when I'm talking to unix machines?) I thought I'd mention that here since I've had mail from many other people who were having similar problems with lost text (at 2400 baud) on their Kaypros or other slow machines. I notice that Simtel seems much faster now that it's on NSFNET, if anyone is wondering. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #136 ************************************* 9-Aug-91 02:21:36-MDT,10204;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 91 02:15:08 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #137 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910809021509.V91N137@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 9 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 137 Today's Topics: Kaypro and .LBR files M80 question Re: M80 question Re: multiuser Altos 5-15ad - $200 Re: ZSM23: LIB.L corrupt? This televideo thing...update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Aug 91 21:24:36 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!vab01.larc.nasa.gov!smd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Steve M. Dahmen) Subject: Kaypro and .LBR files Message-ID: Kaypro Folks, I yet have a Kaypro II, pre-84 I *think.* It came bundled with lots of bad documentation :-( I am very interested in using FASTERM and other CP/M PD goodies that have come out since then, but have not updated my operating system. I also have no idea on how to un-LBR these .LBR files to get them to run. Does any kind soul here have any pointers on where to learn about them? Any books? Something on-line (better)? I am a CS major, so I should be able to grok stuff.... I hate to throw away a (almost) perfectly good computer just because it no longer has the bundled software to do what I want it to do... Thanks any and all in advance. Sad and CPM in Eastern Virginia. Steve Dahmen -- -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Steve Dahmen, Systems Analyst (804) 864-4519 (W) Vigyan Research, Inc .- NASA Langley Research Center Internet: smd@vab01.larc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 18:33:07 GMT From: adobe!fraktur!freed@decwrl.dec.com (Alex Freed) Subject: M80 question Message-ID: Can anyone please answer a few questions regarding the M80 assembler: 1. Does it support the BSS segment (uninitialized data to go into RAM, while cseg and dseg are in ROM)? 2. What are the command line options? I got it with no documentation and only figured out M80 foo=foo.mac. My manuals on MAC - RMAC do not help much. Also 'list' does not turn the listfile on. How does one use the L80? 3. Does anyone have a nice cross-assembler for Z80 to run on a PC or a UNIX box, shareware prefered? Thanks. -- |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -Alex Freed (The opinions expressed are my own. | However everyone is entitled to them.) -- |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -Alex Freed (The opinions expressed are my own. | However everyone is entitled to them.) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 20:02:44 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!syswtr@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: M80 question Message-ID: <1991Aug8.150244.1@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> In article , freed@fraktur.adobe.com (Alex Freed) writes: > 1. Does it support the BSS segment (uninitialized data to go into RAM, while > cseg and dseg are in ROM)? Cseg, of course, merely sets the current location counter and will happily accept Code and Data, as will /Common/, Aseg, and Dseg. So constants under Aseg/Cseg and uninit'd data under Dseg. L80, can then be asked to locate segments as needed. > > 2. What are the command line options? I got it with no documentation and only > figured out M80 foo=foo.mac M80 .PRN,.REL=.MAC /L /C /R /L = list file /C = generate .CRF for CREF80 /R = generate object so A> M80 =Fred /L/R will give FRED.REL and FRED.PRN as will A> M80 B:Fred,C:Fred=Fred (but Fred.Prn and Fred.Rel end up on other drives) And L80 A> L80 rel,rel,rel,...,COM/E/N /E = end of processing /N = make .COM /X = make Hex /Y = make symbol table (.SYM) And all this from memory to boot... Willy ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 03:05:21 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!cwcst1@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Carl W Coates) Subject: Re: multiuser Altos 5-15ad - $200 Message-ID: <161835@unix.cis.pitt.edu> In article ahm@gnat.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) writes: > >Altos Series 5 microcomputer, Model 5-15ad >Ready to run! This machine supports 3 users! > >Hardware: > Z80 CPU, 64k RAM > Dual 5.25" floppy drives (700k each) > 4 serial ports (3 user, 1 printer) > 1 parallel port (alt. printer) > User's manual > >Software: > MP/M > CP/M > CCS Business BASIC > ...and much, much more! > >Compact! Only 7"H x 14"W x 16"D! > >Asking $200 Greetings. Hahah... $200... hahah... Tell you what, if any of you wants to experiment with an Altos 5-15, you can have mine for only $100 (and I pay shipping). It comes with MP/M, CP/M, a BBS system, all the above (2 720K 5 1/4" drives), and a user's manual. One catch, however, no CASE. If you want, I can even supply (pardon the pun :-) you with a 160W IBM AT PS. Not only is it small, it's also a LOT lighter than a linear. Take care. P.S. Hey, let's trade: I need decent probes for a 20MHz 'scope, a 1.44MB 3 1/2" drive, lessee... frequency counter (~20MHz), oh, yeah, how about a signal generator (say 20MHz)? I pay shipping and we swap! (all in good humor, by the way. Not to be rude or something... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 01:08:40 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Re: ZSM23: LIB.L corrupt? Message-ID: Ewen McNeill wrote: > I was given a copy of David Goodenough's ZSM23.LBR, assembler package. > It looks like a really good assembler, with lots of useful subroutines > supplied. This probably came from me. I got it from SIMTEL20. > However, when I came to extract the files, I found that two of the files > in my copy of ZSM23.LBR had the wrong checksums (I used CRCK4.COM to > C> ZCAT wgtnbb57.txt > This type of command line arguement worked with the version that was > supplied compiled, but not with my new version that I had assembled. > The program failed with a BDOS error saying that drive H: didn't exist. > Not surprising - I don't have a drive H. I get the same problem, but only with files opened using _fopen(fname,"wo") (ie. binary files). As I can't contact Dave Goodenough (mail to dg@pallio.UUCP goes into the bit-bucket somewhere) I'm also interested in a fix for this. (I pay for incoming mail, so no posting binaries to me, please). -- Paul Martin pm.nowster@tharr.uucp pm.nowster%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk ..!uunet!ukc!tharr!pm.nowster ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 22:39:47 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: This televideo thing...update Message-ID: Well, the genuis of the day is Brett(sp?) Laverman, who figured out why this here televideo wasn't sending anything to the screen, even tho' everything seemed to be in working order..... it seems that televideo, in a momentary spurt of comedy, swapped the terminal and printer RS232's on the cpu. I plugged the screen into it, and away we went. Of course, now there's a new slew of problems. 1) It seems to boot up off the floppy, which I think it calls a> 2) The harddrive (hd) seems to be copnfigured to be the b> & c> drives. b> is ok, but c> is trashed with sector problems. I'm going to attempt to format some floppies and dump the contents of b> to them, then reformat the hd. Anybody got any docs on this procedure? Also, anyone know how I can get it to boot off the hd w/o a floppy in the drive? 3) When I type dir at the a> prompt, I get a LOTTA stuff. Can all this be on one little old floppy? Or is it mebbe somehow running the dir of b> ? 4) Is it possible to obtain manuals for this thing, or is that a pipedream? 5) It seems to have a connection for a paralell printer. Is it a straighforward connection, and works immediately upon, say, sending stuff to the printer in WS, or do I gotta run some funky printer driver/control program too? I'd REALLY like to use one of today's high speed printers with this thing. That and the hd is the only reason I'm playing with this thing! 6) A modem. Where/how to connect it, since it seems nothing came outta the other RS232 connector when I had the terminal hooked to it. 7) The terminal that came with it seems to require a lot of key punching just to get it going; I gotta reset the baud rate, etc everytime I turn it on. Can I just use a simple old dumb terminal, preset to the proper baud rate, and leave it at that? Well, there's the update! Any further advise is appreciated! ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #137 ************************************* 12-Aug-91 23:17:07-MDT,10113;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 23:15:18 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #138 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910812231519.V91N138@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 12 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 138 Today's Topics: CP/M C compiler wanted help on CP/M programs Morrow Micro Decision help wanted Re: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #137 Re: Morrow Micro Decision help wanted Re: multiuser Altos 5-15ad - $200 SIMTEL20 access question WordPerfect Reader Wanted YMODEM Program for VaxVMS System ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Aug 91 15:37:07 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!educ-isis!pwa@uunet.uu.net (PETER WANGERMANN) Subject: CP/M C compiler wanted Message-ID: <1991Aug12.153707.3521@ioe.lon.ac.uk> Hope this is the right sort of thing to post here: I've just rescued a CP/M machine from near-certain death and I'd like to get a C compiler for it if such exist. It's an old BBC micro with a Z80 second processor running Acorn CP/M 2.2. Can anyone point me to any public domain or even possibly private software ? Thanks Peter Wangermann. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 91 22:25:27 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!altger!doitcr!jungkunz@handies.ucar.edu (Helmut Jungkunz) Subject: help on CP/M programs Message-ID: <1705@doitcr.doit.sub.org> Hi folks, i just read a message of someone looking for help on M80/L80. I want to bring back to mind SIG/M # 14 (number fourteen) containing all sorts of nice helpfiles for all kindsa stuff. Also, there is HELP 1.8 available on later disks, able to read squeezed files, too! Runs nicely, even on systems with almost no TPA! Keep looking! Ciao, regards and cu (-: , -> Helmut Jungkunz <- e ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 91 03:41:30 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!metro!cs.uow.edu.au!david@uunet.uu.net (David E A Wilson) Subject: Morrow Micro Decision help wanted Message-ID: <1991Aug12.034130.12041@cs.uow.edu.au> The brother of a friend has a Morrow Micro Decision running CPM V2.2. His system floppy disks (and I presume backups) were destroyed when a water pipe burst. Can anyone assist him in getting his system up and running again? Please send any helpful mail to his brother at the following address: david@net3.bhpit.kembla.oz.au (David Henderson) -- David Wilson Dept Comp Sci, Uni of Wollongong david@cs.uow.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 91 15:00:24 PDT From: donm@pnet01.cts.com (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #137 Message-ID: smd@vab01.larc.nasa.gov writes: >I yet have a Kaypro II, pre-84 I *think.* It came bundled with lots of >bad documentation :-( I am very interested in using FASTERM and other >CP/M PD goodies that have come out since then, but have not updated my >operating system. I also have no idea on how to un-LBR these .LBR files >to get them to run. > There are a number of utilities that will un-LBR files for you. However, you should also be aware that after extraction from the .LBR file you may find that they have been compressed in some manner. The filename extension would identify the method, e.g. ?Q? for Squeezed, ?Z? for Crunched, and ?Y? for LZH compression. Unfortunately, the nicest of all library utilities has never been updated (to my knowledge) to handle anything other than squeezed files. That utility is NULU.COM. So, in addition to NULU you would need a late version of UNCRUNCH.COM which will handle LZH as well as crunched files. Alternatively, you can get a copy of EXL.COM which will both extract from the library and also de-compress the file, but is no where near as convenient to use. As a paranthetic note, if your Kaypro is in fact a II vice 2, it is by definition a pre-84 machine. >Does any kind soul here have any pointers on where to learn about them? >Any books? Something on-line (better)? I am a CS major, so I should be >able to grok stuff.... I hate to throw away a (almost) perfectly good >computer just because it no longer has the bundled software to do what >I want it to do... > Probably you best bets on books are the library(?), swapmeets and flea-markets, and used book stores. One of the more comprehensive tomes - The Waite Group's CP/M Bible published by Sams *may* still be available, I'm not sure. It is a good reference. UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!donm ARPA: crash!pnet01!donm@nosc.mil INET: donm@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 03:07:58 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!slammer!toolz!todd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Todd Merriman) Subject: Re: Morrow Micro Decision help wanted Message-ID: <1991Aug13.030758.11551@toolz.uucp> david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson) writes: >The brother of a friend has a Morrow Micro Decision running CPM V2.2. His >system floppy disks (and I presume backups) were destroyed when a water pipe >burst. Can anyone assist him in getting his system up and running again? I recommend the Morrow Atlanta User Group. 1298 Renee Drive Lilburn, GA 30247 They have a nice newsletter that is distributed world-wide. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Todd Merriman - Software Toolz, Inc. * Maintainer * * 8030 Pooles Mill Dr., Ball Ground, GA 30107-9610 * of the * * UUCP: ...!emory!slammer!toolz!todd * Software * * Internet: todd%toolz.uucp@mathcs.emory.edu * Entrepreneur's * * V-mail (800) 869-3878, (404) 889-8264 * mailing list * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 09:33:54 PDT From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Re: multiuser Altos 5-15ad - $200 Message-ID: <" 9-Aug-91 12:33:54 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sorry for the wide distribution, but I couldn't figure a return address for Carl Coates. > Greetings. Hahah... $200... hahah... Tell you what, if any of you > wants to experiment with an Altos 5-15, you can have mine for only > $100 (and I pay shipping). > Hey, let's trade: Carl, If your serious, send me a note. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 91 18:20:00 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!pitt!grgzfla!dcb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel C Becker) Subject: SIMTEL20 access question Message-ID: I've seen a lot of references to 'SIMTEL20'. Could someone kindly explain what it is and how I can access it via Usenet email. Is there a particular person I should ask for help? Does it have a mail-server like pit-manager.mit.edu for un- assisted access? Any help greatly appriciated! :-) ps -- I'll gladly post a summary of direct email responces. -- dcb -- {Daniel C | Dan} Becker UUCP: ... pitt!grgzfla!dcb INET: dcb%grgzfla.UUCP@vax.cs.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 91 13:56:17 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: WordPerfect Reader Wanted Message-ID: Does anyone know of a freeware program for CP/M systems which will read Word Perfect files and translate them to nondocument (i.e., ASCII text) mode? If so, E-mail me or post where/how I can get such a beastie. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Freeman, K7UIJ | Internet: freeman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 301 N.E. 107th Street | or K7UIJ@pacifier.rain.com Vancouver, WA 98685 USA | GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 Telephone (206)574-8221 | Ask not for whom the <^G> tolls. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 91 14:01:15 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: YMODEM Program for VaxVMS System Message-ID: Does anyone know of a freeware program which will run on a Vax running VMS which handles True Ymodem protocol? If so, how/where can I obtain such an animal? I have VAX/VMS.LBR and its equivalent, VMXMODEM.ARC, but would like Ymodem capability to talk to my CP/M systems. I have Fortran and Pascal compilers. Don't have ready access to VaxC so if someone has C source, they'll have to compile/link it for me (use the sharable library, please) and send it to me (UUENCODEd, ZIPped, VMSHEXed, SHIPped, ... whatever. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Freeman, K7UIJ | Internet: freeman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 301 N.E. 107th Street | or K7UIJ@pacifier.rain.com Vancouver, WA 98685 USA | GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 Telephone (206)574-8221 | Ask not for whom the <^G> tolls. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:34:58 EDT From: Andre Amestrek das Trevas Junior Hello friends, I'm a Aztec C V 1.06B user and I need the Error Messages List. At present, I have to guess the meaning of Error Code. That's not so good! By the way, does anybody have a small and simple text editor source code in C? I have already tried EditC80 but it didn't work width Aztec C. Probably, I don't know enough to. Thanks in advance, Andre Jr. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #138 ************************************* 13-Aug-91 07:20:36-MDT,14884;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 91 07:15:24 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #139 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910813071525.V91N139@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 13 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 139 Today's Topics: CP/M compiler list MIX C Compiler Re: CP/M C compiler wanted Re: YMODEM Program for VaxVMS System ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Aug 91 09:53:36 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: CP/M compiler list Message-ID: <1991Aug13.095336.2191@cs.rug.nl> [ 1st Version: 29 July 1991 ] [ Last edited: 13 August 1991, by laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) ] C P / M - 8 0 C O M P I L E R L I S T ========================================= This list is an attempt at answering most of the `Can anyone tell me what the best CP/M compiler for language "foo" is?' questions. Please do not expect this list to be definitive. I am very much dependent on the information sent to me, and if nobody mentioned a certain compiler, chances are you won't find it here. If you know of a compiler that should be in the list, send me a description. Compiler categories: I've split up the list into two parts, based on how much info I have on the compiler concerned. The first list is a list of compilers with some kind of description, the second list contains compiler only known to me by name. Please note that 1 (one) line of descriptive comment is enough to make it a category 1 compiler. ;-) Compiler availability: Many compilers are still sold, others can only be obtained as an illegal copy. Also some compilers are public domain, but alas that group is rather small. I think that, even though many companies are no longer actively engaged in maintaining their CP/M packages, they will _not_ look kindly on publicly announced copying. Since I received _no_ communications from persons working for companies like Borland, Microsoft, and Digital Research, I wonder if any of them monitor this list. Perhaps we as collective CP/M users can draw some goodwill, and persuade them to remove some of the copying restrictions on e.g. binaries. I mention the copyright holder when known. "?? PD ??" means that I don't know, but that they are for sale at such a low rate that I suspect them to be at least shareware. Many Bulletin Boards have interesting software, and Ed Grey not only runs a BBS, but also sells MIX C and Turbo PASCAL v3. RS components in England also sells originals materials. I mention these two as example, undoubtebly there are others with remnants of a large stock. JRT PASCAL, Prolog-80, Micro-COBOL, Forth-83, Small-C and others are appearently PD, and can be had from BBSes. PCW world seems to have MBASIC on one of their disks, but I'm doubtful about their right to do this. References: I include the names of all those that sent me information on the compilers, since they are likely to know more if you have questions about a specific product. The rumors: Hah! many! I'm forced to reject rumors that Microsoft is no longer interested: RS components still sells compilers for CP/M+ - including Macro-80! - for three figure amounts. 1. Known compilers: ------------------- Ada: ==== - Janus/Ada ??? PASCAL subset of Ada. Teeny bit of parallelism. Refs: dcb Algol 60: ========= - Valgol v1. *Public Domain* Variant of Algol-60. Generates Z80 code. Needs "E Prolog". Is actually an example of how to write a compiler in Prolog. Refs: u895217, rickc FTP-archive: wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Assembly: ========= - ZMAC v1.07D *Public Domain* Z80 macro assembler Refs: wittig Add-ons: - ZLINK v1.07D Linkage editor - ZMAC + ZML A.E. Hawley Macro assembler for Z80. Linker can produce many different binary file types. Has Z-system support Refs: sage - Macro-80 Microsoft Magnificent Macro assembler & linking loader. Link files are relocatable and used by all Microsoft compilers, as well as many others. Refs: laverman, henryb - MAC & RMAC Digital Research Standard assembler for CP/M 3 (aka CP/M+). RMAC produces .REL files. Linker can produce .PRL executables (Page ReLocatable). Refs: laverman - Maxam 2 Arnor Ltd. MAcro assembler for Amstrad/Schneider Z80 machines. Refs: ewen - SLR systems assemblers SLR systems Assemblers for 808[05], Z80, & Hitachi. Very fast. Refs: sage - ZAS Mitek/Echelon Was 'The official assembler for ZCPR3'. Current status unkown. Refs: ianj - ZSM David Goodenough Used o.a. for David's QTERM & UUCP packages. Refs: ianj BASIC: ====== - MBASIC compiler Microsoft The MBASIC interpreter is _the_ standard. This is the compiler. Refs: laverman - CBASIC Microsoft (Integer ?) BASIC compiler. Refs: laverman - Hisoft Z Basic Hisoft Supposedly produces slow code. Refs: u895217 - SBASIC Non-Linear systems Comes with Kaypro II Refs: Steve.Graham C: == - Small-C v1.2 *Public Domain* No floating point, less than K&R ed. 1. Generates Z80 code. Refs: wittig Add-ons: - Peephole optimizer - Preprocessor (K&R) - Assembly optimizer for Small-C - Small-C v2.1 *Public Domain* No floating point. More than v1.2, but still less than full K&R. Generates 8080 code. Refs: rickc FTP-archive: wsmr-simtel20.army.mil - MIX C v2.1.0 MIX Software Full K&R, including float and long. Refs: ewen, ac959 - HiSoft C Hisoft K&R, but no floats. Refgs: u895217 - HiTech C v. 3.09 Hi-Tech Software Full K&R _and_ ANSI. (!!) Refs: mds - Arnor C Arnor Ltd Full K&R. Amstrad/Scheider Z80 machines only. Refs: u895217, ewen - C/80 Software Toolworks Mathpac also available. Refs: henryb - BDS-C 1.60c BD Software Almost K&R C, no floats, but fake-float support is in the package. Refs: sage - BDS Z 2.0 BD Software BDS C adapted for Zsystem Refs: sage - Aztec C Aztec K&R C. Practically the same as for MS-DoS, Atari, etc. Three packages available: apprentice, commercial, professional. Good overlay manager. Refs: harry COBOL: ====== - Micro COBOL ?? PD ?? Cut down COBOL, no indexed files, no sort. Refs: u895217 - Nevada COBOL ???? Based on 1974 standard. No indexed files. Refs: u895217 - RM Cobol Ryan McFarland Cut down Cobol Forth: ====== - F-83 *Public Domain* Forth system. Available for different CP/M's Refs: mikc - Hisoft Forth Hisoft From the Hisoft company. Fortran: ======== - Fortran-80 Microsoft Allmost complete Fortran IV implementation. Claims to have the fastest mathematical library for 8080/Z80. Works (maybe) with a RATFOR preprocessor. Refs: agr-rss Modula-2: ========= - Hisoft FTL Modula-2 Hisoft Good, fast, and extensive. Comes with editor. Lib source included. Compiler is one-pass, so FORWARD declarations are needed. Implements Modula-2 2nd edition(!) Refs: u895217, cummings - Turbo Modula-2 Borland Intl. Editor, compiler, linker & librarian in one. Fast & good. Can interface to .REL files (Macro-80). Implements Modula-2 3rd edition(!) Refs: svh, cummings - Hochstrasser Z80-Modula-2 Hochstrasser Computing AG Implements 2nd edition Modula-2. Troubles with large programs. Refs: cummings PASCAL: ======= - Turbo PASCAL v3.01A Borland Intl. Editor & compiler in one. Fast. No separate modules, but include files are supported. Refs: ac959 - Nevada PASCAL ???? Needs >=60K RAM. Refs: u895217 - JRT PASCAL *Public Domain* P-code system. Refs: se FTP-archive: wsmr-simtel20.army.mil - PASCAL/MT+ Digital Research Full PASCAL, including modules with interfaces. Uses an object file format that is derived from Microsoft's .REL files. Ideal for large projects. Refs: svh PL/I: ===== - PL/I-80 Digital Research Refs: svh Prolog: ======= - E Prolog *Public Domain* Refs: rickc FTP-archive: wsmr-simtel20.army.mil - Prolog-1 2.2 ???? From the cambridge lab. that invented Prolog. for Z80. Refs: slsw2 2. Known by name: ----------------- Mu-LISP iLISP 2.0 Toolworks LISP/80 Mi-C Avotec C Pro Fortran 1.25 Prolog 80 micro-Prolog 3.1 3. References: -------------- ac959: ac959@cwns2.ins.cwru.edu (Ed Grey) agr-rss: agr-rss@brl.mil (Richard S. Sandmeyer) cummings: cummings@primerd.prime.com (Kevin J. Cummings) dcb: dcb%grgzfla.UUCP@vax.cs.pitt.edu (Daniel C. Becker) ewen: ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) harry: harry@stack.urc.tue.nl (Harry Stox) henryb: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (Henry Brancik) ianj: ijpc!ianj@PacBell.com (??) laverman: laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) mds: mds@id.dth.dk (Michael Dantzer-Sorensen) mikc: mikc@gnu.ai.mit.edu (??) rickc: rickc@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements) sage: sage@ll.mit.edu (Rick Sage) Steve.Graham: Steve.Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu (Steve Graham) se: se@ikp.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) slsw2: slsw2@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) svh: svh@shell.com (Steven V. Hovater) u895217: u895217@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Scott Marshall) wittig: wittig@gmdzi.gmd.de (Georg Wittig) -- #include Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 91 03:30:48 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: MIX C Compiler Message-ID: <9108130730.AA12597@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> >Subject: CP/M C compiler wanted >Hope this is the right sort of thing to post here: >I've just rescued a CP/M machine from near-certain death and I'd >like to get a C compiler for it if such exist. It's an old BBC >micro with a Z80 second processor running Acorn CP/M 2.2. Can >anyone point me to any public domain or even possibly private >software ? >Thanks >Peter Wangermann. ********************************* The MIX C compiler is a complete implementation of C as defined in "The C Programming Language" by Kernighan and Richie (the K & R standard). The C library functions provided are compatible with the Unix standard, therefore the programs written with MIX C are easily ported to other computers and operating systems. MIX C is available for both CP/M or PCDOS and source code written on one is easily transportable to the other. The software is available on many UNIFORM supported 5.25" (DD) CP/M and IBM-PC (360K) disk formats. I prefer to use TeleVideo (5.25", DD, DS, 48tpi) CP/M disks, since I use TeleVideo and can test them. Please specify your choice. The price for the MIX C Compiler is only $20.00 plus $5.00 for shipping and handling (UPS, ground in the continental US). Orders shipped to a California address must include 8.25% sales tax. If you order both the CP/M and PCDOS versions of either the MIX C compiler or MIX Editor the price, with only one manual, is $30.00 (which includes the shipping). Contact me at any address below for the additional shipping and insurance charges for deliveries outside the US (48 contiguous states) or for additional information. ** System Requirements ** MIX C Compiler CP/M version: MS/PCDOS version: Z80 CPU PCDOS (2.0 or higher) CP/M 80 (2.0 or higher) 128K memory 55K memory 1 disk drive 2 disk drives or HD -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 09:48:24 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: CP/M C compiler wanted Message-ID: <1991Aug13.094824.2101@cs.rug.nl> Peter Wangermann writes: >Hope this is the right sort of thing to post here: You bet! ;-) >I've just rescued a CP/M machine from near-certain death and I'd Hurray! Jolly good show, and all that sort of things. >like to get a C compiler for it if such exist. It's an old BBC >micro with a Z80 second processor running Acorn CP/M 2.2. Can >anyone point me to any public domain or even possibly private >software ? Well, I received quite a number of remarks that helped me update my first version of the CP/M compiler list, so here comes the second version... [ drum roll... ] [P.S. go to next posting for the list itself] Greetings, Bert -- #include Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 91 17:35:25 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!ogicse!milton!sumax!polari!rwing!fnx!del@uunet.uu.net (Dag Erik Lindberg) Subject: Re: YMODEM Program for VaxVMS System Message-ID: <1110@fnx.UUCP> In article freeman@WATSUN.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mike Freeman) writes: >Does anyone know of a freeware program which will run on a Vax running >VMS which handles True Ymodem protocol? If so, how/where can I obtain >such an animal? I have VAX/VMS.LBR and its equivalent, VMXMODEM.ARC, >but would like Ymodem capability to talk to my CP/M systems. I have Unless I'm seriously mistaken, Chuck Forsberg's Zmodem transfer utility (rzsz) can also handle true Ymodem. >Fortran and Pascal compilers. Don't have ready access to VaxC so if >someone has C source, they'll have to compile/link it for me (use the >sharable library, please) and send it to me (UUENCODEd, ZIPped, >VMSHEXed, SHIPped, ... whatever. While I've got the source, (in C), and a C compiler, I don't have access to a VAX. -- del AKA Erik Lindberg uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del Who is John Galt? ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #139 ************************************* 14-Aug-91 16:19:44-MDT,11676;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 16:15:23 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #140 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910814161526.V91N140@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 14 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 140 Today's Topics: cp/m machine help InterSystems S-100 computers for sale Molecular Computer QTERM 4.3 filetransmission non-functioning Re: cp/m machine help RE: RCP/Ms and Z-Nodes WANTED* 96TPI Quad density drives (800k) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Aug 91 14:33:18 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ah190@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Stuart Pearl) Subject: cp/m machine help Message-ID: <1991Aug14.143318.9181@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> I need information on a Televidio 803 which I believe is some sort of machine (circa 1982-1984) that uses the cp/m operating system. My brother-in-law just inherited this beast and has begun exploring its manuals and floppies. The unit has a monochrome monitor, two floppy drives and for operating software it has B-DOS (Before DOS?). I believe it was previously used in an office environment for wordprocessing, spreadsheet and probably some "desktop" functions. I know nothing about cp/m but would like to know if it's possible to load any of the versions of DOS onto this machine, or if its operation archi- tecture is something that's BIOS dependant, or whatever. Is there any hardware restriction as to what kind of operating system such a machine can use? Not having seen the unit, I don't know what its guts look like. Do these things have expansion slots like compatibles that would allow for the addition of modem card? And if so, are there communciations packages for cp/m. Please post any info here or send me email direct. Thanks in advance -sp -- ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===--- Lyndhurst, Ohio ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu -------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 21:09:58 GMT From: ns-mx!shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack@uunet.uu.net (James Roger Black) Subject: InterSystems S-100 computers for sale Message-ID: <7634@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> For sale: Three Ithaca InterSystems DPS-1 computers. Each one has: 20-slot S-100 motherboard in a sturdy chassis with 25-amp power supply; Z-80 CPU, 64K RAM, diagnostic front panel with lots of lights and switches; SSDD disk controller and a pair of 8-inch floppy-disk drives. In addition, there is a variety of interface cards, including serial, modem, sound-effects, eprom-programmer, extender with logic probe, etc., and large amounts of software (editors, compilers, debuggers, whatever). All software is licensed, original disks and manuals, etc. All hardware includes schematics and manuals. There are some books and magazines, too. All three units were working when decommissioned. One is missing its serial card, but there's a spare from one of the others so it evens out. No reasonable offer refused; you pay shipping. Send email if interested. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Black jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 21:16:15 GMT From: usenet@cs.orst.edu (Erik Petersen) Subject: Molecular Computer Message-ID: <1991Aug14.211615.172@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU> I have a Molecular Computer. It is a multi-user CPM machine. But there is a catch, I do not have the software that starts the computer up in multi- user mode. The software is called n-Star. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this disk? Thank you for your suggestions. Erik Petersen (peterse@prism.cs.orst.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 10:06:54 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!dkuug!imada!ravn@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen) Subject: QTERM 4.3 filetransmission non-functioning Message-ID: <1991Aug14.100654.3730@imada.ou.dk> QTERM 4.3 -- what's wrong? ------------------------- I have downloaded QTERM 4.3 from simtel20, and have set the thing up for my Rc700 [Danish brand]. It appears very neat and works fine (vt100 emulation and all) until I try to do any kind of filetransfer. (up or down) In kermit it times out, and in X/Y modem it tells me that it receives non-ack characters. I have never gotten a transfer started yet. This suggest a bad implementation of the i/o functions in the overlayfile, but I have hooked it raw into the bios functions (which works nicely in ZMP, even in X/Y modem). I have interrupt driven (with a 256 bytes buffer) serial comms, and besides runs at 1200 baud, while testing this thing out. Originally I thought it was modem problems but then I hooked up to a PC with telix (null-modem) and I still had the problem. (And ZMP still works perfectly) Apparently the 7-bit mask have nothing to do with this, and I do not see anything else appropiate. Are there anybody who knows what I may have overlooked? Thanks in advance Thorbj{\o}rn Ravn Andersen ravn@imada.ou.dk P.S. Three reasons for not using ZMP. 1) Slooow (runs at max 200 chars/sec) 2) I need the cable from the second discdrive to power the PC, and ZMP do *NOT* like transfers without the correct disk inserted in the systemdrive. 3) ZMP crashes occasionally when stopping filetransfers prematurely. -- Thorbj\o{}rn Ravn Andersen 'Normally I kill people for money. You are my ravn@imada.ou.dk friend; I will kill you for nothing' -- Chico Marx ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 19:55:28 GMT From: aunro!ersys!davem@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Dave McCrady) Subject: Re: cp/m machine help Message-ID: <6iqo74w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes: > > I need information on a Televidio 803 which I believe is some sort of > machine (circa 1982-1984) that uses the cp/m operating system. My > brother-in-law just inherited this beast and has begun exploring its > manuals and floppies. > > The unit has a monochrome monitor, two floppy drives and for operating > software it has B-DOS (Before DOS?). I believe it was previously used > in an office environment for wordprocessing, spreadsheet and probably > some "desktop" functions. > > I know nothing about cp/m but would like to know if it's possible to load > any of the versions of DOS onto this machine, or if its operation archi- > tecture is something that's BIOS dependant, or whatever. Is there any > hardware restriction as to what kind of operating system such a machine > can use? > This unit uses a Z80 processor. It will not run MSDOS. > Not having seen the unit, I don't know what its guts look like. Do these > things have expansion slots like compatibles that would allow for the > addition of modem card? And if so, are there communciations packages for > cp/m. Please post any info here or send me email direct. > > You can get an add-on card to permit use of the machine on Televideo's (obsolete) network server. But like most CP/M boxes, you'll need a serial modem. There are several communications packages that could be used with it. They are supplied in gneric form and you add the overlay specific to your machine. Most available hardware is supported. BDOS is an acronym for Basic Disk Operating System. It's part of CP/M. I have both operating software and the manual for the unit... Dave McCrady | davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca +1 403-454-4054 (voice) | Edmonton Remote Systems +1 403-454-6093 (public USENET) | Serving Northern Alberta since 1982 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 17:45:36 GMT From: EMR.CA!icottrel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Cottrel) Subject: RE: RCP/Ms and Z-Nodes Message-ID: <9108141745.AA02753@emr1.emr.ca> On 26 Jul 91 06:50:45 GMT, bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) wrote: >This brings us full circle. (1) A Z-Node is a bbs (usually but not >always an RCP/M) to support CP/M and ZCPR. (2) Many RCP/Ms support >CP/M and ZCPR but few outside the United States have been listed, >at least so far as the rest of us would know. Ian Cottrell publishes >a list of RCPMs and Jay Sage releases the list of Z-Nodes. I have >published the Z-Node list in the last two issues of TCJ. The RCP/M >listing is too large to print. >Sysops of either should get their systems listed so that support >for users can be available in their own countries. Jay reads this >news group. His Internet address is SAGE@LL.MIT.EDU. So far as I >know, Ian is not on the net. I can forward mail to him for you. We >need your help in compiling the information! Thanks. One small correction: I am on the net and can be reached at ICOTTREL@EMR1.EMR.CA The current version of the RCP/M list is now available for anonymous FTP from sun2.emr.ca (132.156.36.14) in directory /pub. The new version of the list SHOULD be available from this site on the 1st of each month. I would like to take this opportunity to ask all readers of this message (from anywhere in the world) to send me any info about RCP/Ms, Z-Nodes, RASs (or whatever else you want to call them!) that support any flavour of CP/M in their area. I would very much like to produce a truly international RCP/M list (not just Canada and the US) and to do this, I need help from international readers. North American readers are also asked to submit updates, additions and deletions for systems in their areas. I cannot afford to validate the entire list (~250 systems) on my own, so would appreciate any help that can be offered in this area. Thanks in advance for your co-operation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Cottrell, Senior Analyst email: icottrel@emr1.emr.ca Information Technology Branch GEnie: i.cottrell Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada office: (613) 992-4917 588 Booth Street home: (613) 829-1650 Ottawa, ON, Canada BBS: (613) 952-2289 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 91 20:29:49 GMT From: mothra!geh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory Holdren) Subject: WANTED* 96TPI Quad density drives (800k) Message-ID: <4480006@mothra.rose.hp.com> Wanted: 96TPI "Quad Density" 800K drives, spindle speed 300RPM, Like the Sugart SA465 model. Note: The 1.2Meg PC type drives are not compatible with above, 1.2Megers speed switch from 300/360RPM for the 360k/1.2M formats. I can use of of the 1.2Megers if it can be forced to stay at 300RPMs. TNX Greg Holdren geh@mothra.rose.hp.com (916)773-5191 (916)785-4091 or 7481 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #140 ************************************* 15-Aug-91 13:20:10-MDT,22832;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 91 13:15:44 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #141 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910815131547.V91N141@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 15 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 141 Today's Topics: Re: cp/m machine help RE: Quad Density Drives RE: TeleVideo 803 SIMTEL20 archives info for Internet FTP users ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Aug 91 08:25:12 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: cp/m machine help Message-ID: <1991Aug15.082512.9246@cs.rug.nl> Stuart Pearl writes: >I need information on a Televidio 803 which I believe is some sort of >machine (circa 1982-1984) that uses the cp/m operating system. Indeed it does. Welcome to the 8-bit zone... >The unit has a monochrome monitor, two floppy drives and for operating >software it has B-DOS (Before DOS?). I believe it was previously used >in an office environment for wordprocessing, spreadsheet and probably >some "desktop" functions. I think you mean BDOS (no dash), and that's just part of the CP/M OS. >I know nothing about cp/m but would like to know if it's possible to load >any of the versions of DOS onto this machine, or if its operation archi- >tecture is something that's BIOS dependant, or whatever. Is there any >hardware restriction as to what kind of operating system such a machine >can use? Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrggghh!!!! (please extend this to max display width :-)) Some people worry about 'life after death', but this is more like 'was there computing before DOS', where DOS undoubtably means MeSsy-DOS. ;-) Dear Stuart, this Televideo 803 will not only run no DOS programs, it even doesn't run DOS itself! It has (probably) the amazing amount of 64 Kilobytes of memory (not 640, 64!). It's processor is _not_ one of Intel's brain-damaged segmented 80x86es, but something immensely more unlikely: The Zilog Z80! Max. addressing capability: 64KB, 8-bit registers, 16-bit addressing. The 803 (probably) has a 4MHz processor clock. It's disk format, though 360Kb, will makes any PC/XT/AT throw up unless guided by a special utility. It also is a member of that unique and wunderfull family of machines that can run most of each others programs, even when their hardware is grossly incompatible, which is a quality MS-DOS tried to copy (Hell, MS-DOS version 1 was designed to be _completely_ system call compatible with CP/M, so binary conversion programs could be used), but IBM managed to spoil it. >Not having seen the unit, I don't know what its guts look like. Do these >things have expansion slots like compatibles that would allow for the >addition of modem card? And if so, are there communciations packages for >cp/m. Please post any info here or send me email direct. It has a serial port builtin. You'll have to get an _external_ modem. It has no expansion slots, since it's not only incompatible, but actually.., well,... incompatible! I hope you don't get annoyed at this reply, but I just get emotional when people mistake a _real_ machine for an IBM compatible. :-) Greetings, Bert -- #include Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 91 01:45:45 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: RE: Quad Density Drives Message-ID: <9108150545.AA07498@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> Subject: WANTED* 96TPI Quad density drives (800k) Wanted: 96TPI "Quad Density" 800K drives, spindle speed 300RPM, Like the Sugart SA465 model. *************************** I've never had any trouble converting the Mitsubishi 5.25", 1.2M, half-height floppy drives to 96tpi quad density drives. It's just a matter of switching a couple of jumpers. Hope this helps. Take care. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 91 01:44:00 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: RE: TeleVideo 803 Message-ID: <9108150544.AA07368@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> >Subject: cp/m machine help >I need information on a Televidio 803 which I believe is some sort of >machine (circa 1982-1984) that uses the cp/m operating system. My >brother-in-law just inherited this beast and has begun exploring its >manuals and floppies. Great computer, I own and use several of them. >The unit has a monochrome monitor, two floppy drives and for operating >software it has B-DOS (Before DOS?). I believe it was previously used >in an office environment for wordprocessing, spreadsheet and probably >some "desktop" functions. You should have a Systems Disk with CP/M-80 (ver 2.2) and other CP/M utilities. The above and CP/M-80 (ver 3.0) are the only operating systems that you can use on the TeleVideo 803. CP/M 2.2 was standard for the computer (w/ 64K RAM), and it is expandable to 128K RAM and CP/M 3.0. >I know nothing about cp/m but would like to know if it's possible to load >any of the versions of DOS onto this machine, or if its operation archi- >tecture is something that's BIOS dependant, or whatever. Is there any >hardware restriction as to what kind of operating system such a machine >can use? See above. >Not having seen the unit, I don't know what its guts look like. Do these >things have expansion slots like compatibles that would allow for the >addition of modem card? And if so, are there communciations packages for >cp/m. Please post any info here or send me email direct. There are no expansion slots on the TeleVideo 803, but you can use an external modem with any of several excellent communications software packages. Three of the best are public domain. They are IMP245, MEX114, and QTERM43 all of which are usable on the 803. The necessary overlays are available on many RCP/Ms across the country. >Thanks in advance You're welcome. BTW, my BBS (number in signature file) offers TeleVideo CP/M support. There is also a lot of public domain software available (both generic and TeleVideo specific). I also have users and technical manuals for the TeleVideo 803 and several other TeleVideo computers, for sale. Let me know if I can help you or your bother-in law get some use out of the 803. Take care. > ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===--- > Lyndhurst, Ohio > ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 13:13 MDT From: Keith Petersen Subject: SIMTEL20 archives info for Internet FTP users Message-ID: [File: SIMTEL20.INF Last revised: June 28, 1991] [Note: Due to disk space limitations the PC-Blue collection is temporarily off-line. We are sorry for the inconvenience to our users.] THE SIMTEL20 ARCHIVES OVERVIEW There is a colossal amount of free public domain and shareware software for the CP/M, PCDOS/MSDOS, Macintosh, and UNIX operating systems, and for the DoD standard programming language, Ada, in several archives on WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (IP host 192.88.110.20), a DECSYSTEM-20 running the TOPS-20 operating system at White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico. Archives of correspondence for several mailing lists are also available. [SIMTEL20 is a contraction of SIMulation and TELeprocessing, the name of the branch that originally purchased the machine and in whose building the system still resides, and the "20" in DECSYSTEM-20. The convention of including the "20" in some form or another was popular with other DECSYSTEM-20 systems at the time SIMTEL20 was named, such as MIT-XX at MIT and SCORE at Stanford.] You can obtain these files using the InterNet file transfer protocol, FTP (described in a following paragraph), with user-name "anonymous". For a login password, use "guest", your host-name, or any other string of printing characters. Throughout this message, FTP examples are given in a GENERIC syntax. You will have to consult either local documentation or your friendly system wizard to learn the actual syntax used with your local mainframe operating system. For the sake of brevity, the full host name "WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL" will be dropped from further references to SIMTEL20 in this discussion. Also please note that square brackets may be used in place of angle brackets in referring to directory names. For example, pd1:[msdos.filedocs] is the same as pd1: There are many helpful files in the default ANONYMOUS ftp directory. Please look at these if you have need for further information on specific collections. To obtain directory listings, connect to SIMTEL20 via FTP and get these files: pd1:msdos.crclst pd1:pc-blue.crclst pd2:cpm.crclst pd2:cpmug.crclst pd2:sigm.crclst pd8:hz100.crclst pd9:macintosh.crclst pd8:misc.crclst pd6:unix-c.crclst pd7:ada.crc There is also a comma-delimited directory listing in each top-level directory, FILES.IDX, which is suitable for importing into a database program. This file may be of greater use than the crclst files because it can be compared against an earlier version of the same file to produce a complete list of files added and deleted from the archives. Using the comma-delimited fields it is possible to build a script for FTP to maintain a parallel archive. FILES.IDX can be printed or displayed with a simple BASIC program. For more information see PD1:AAAREAD.ME. The , , and archives are the ones to watch for the very latest offerings, as they are updated frequently. The , and archives contain software distributed by the CP/M Users Group, the SIG/M Users Group and the PC-Blue Users Group respectively. This software is available on diskettes from the associated user groups, and the archives are updated as new volumes are issued. The archive contains software for the IBM-PC and similar machines. The archives also contain software for the MSDOS and PCDOS operating systems; but these archives are locally managed, and therefore are updated more frequently than the archive. The archive contains a variety of UNIX tools. Those which apply specifically to CP/M are in the directory . The archive is growing rapidly. Information about this archive is in directory PD7:. In general, the archived software is very good, having been worked-over and refined by many users. The documentation and comments tend to be complete and informative. Files in all of these archives can be obtained using the FTP procedures described in this message. PLEASE NOTE: Due to the large number of files available, the archive maintainers cannot possibly attempt to validate the proper operation of the various programs. When a program bug is reported, immediate action is taken to either correct the error or remove the offending program from the archives. Still, users must understand that all archive programs are offered AS IS, and the archive maintainers specifically disclaim any liability should these programs malfunction or cause damage, incidental or otherwise. When testing ANY new software, be certain that all information stored on disk is backed-up before you start, so that you can recover if files are damaged or erased. This is particularly true if you have a hard disk, in which case malfunctions can be spectacularly disasterous. FILE TYPES Files are stored in two formats: Text files such as those with names that end with DOC, HEX, INF and ASM are sometimes stored as ASCII files, but sometimes these files are stored in binary compressed form. Binary storage is also used for executable (COM and EXE) and library/archive files (LBR and ARC). All binary data are stored as four 8-bit bytes per 36-bit SIMTEL20 word, with the low-order four bits of each word filled with zeros. If such a file is interpreted as a contiguous string, as will happen if a straight binary transfer is made to a 16 or 32-bit UNIX machine, the four zero filler-bits per 36-bit group will cause rather bizarre and frustrating results. For information on ARC, ARK, LZH, ZIP, ZOO, LBR, squeezed and crunched files, get PD2:00-FILES.DOC and/or PD1:00-FILES.DOC. Although the type of storage used for a particular file can usually be inferred from the file-name, this is not always true. It is a good idea to check the appropriate "crclst" of "idx" file to ascertain the storage format used for each file of interest. Now, and for the foreseeable future, storage formats for files in the , and archives can be determined from their "generation numbers", as shown by the FTP directory command. For example, the FTP command: dir pd1: will yield results of the form: -CATALOG.001.2 ABSTRACT.001.2 BW.ASM.2 BW.BAS.1 BW.EXE.1 COLOR.ASM.2 COLOR.BAS.1 COLOR.EXE.1 ...and so on All files with names ending in ".1" are stored in binary format, and those with names ending in ".2" are stored in ASCII. This relationship will continue to apply for files in the , and archives until further notice. WARNING: Because the public domain archives on SIMTEL20 consume a huge amount of disk space, storage capacity will be conserved by the greatest practical use of libraries, archives, crunched and squeezed files, all of which are stored in binary format. If you cannot properly transfer binary files, you are going to be VERY FRUSTRATED! If you need help, please contact your local system wizard and provide him/her with a copy of this message. Having done that, if you are still unable to make things work correctly, send a message to Action@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL and someone will try to help you. Please provide the following information: 1. Machine and operating system (e.g., VAX-11/780, 4.3 BSD UNIX) 2. Network software in use (e.g., 3-Com UNET) 3. Complete list of available FTP commands (e.g., GET, PUT, etc.) Important files in the and archives are the CATALOG files. These files, which are stored in ASCII, contain the "-CATALOG.nnn" files from all the volumes of their respective archives. To obtain these composite catalog files, connect to SIMTEL20 via FTP and get these files: pd2:cpmug.cat pd1:pcblue.cat Similar files exist for the archive, but they are stored in squeezed form. These files, when unsqueezed, yields SIG0.CAT and SIG1.CAT (the catalog). pd2:sig0.cqt pd2:sig1.cqt (NOTE: That's "L-and-three-zeros" in "vol000") FILE TRANSFER VIA FTP FTP stands for File Transfer Protocol, a formalized procedure for moving files among machines on the Defense Data Network (DDN) and other networks that connect with the DDN. The protocol is implemented by a program often called FTP. The different mainframe operating systems implement FTP with variations in command syntax. Some systems have the remote-file-name precede the local-file-name in the command. Others reverse this order. Some versions have the whole command on a single input line, while others use multiple lines. Read the documentation for your local system, or consult a friendly system wizard for the details of your local FTP command syntax. UNIX users can do something like "man ftp" for on-line instructions. However, not all UNIX FTP programs are called "ftp", so you may have to snoop around in the system directories or ask a system wizard for the correct local name to use with the "man" command. ITS users can do ":INFO FTP", and "HELP FTP" works on TOPS-20 and some other operating systems. I will be happy to update this message with pointers to other sources of on-line documentation if they are sent to w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL. FTP transfers from SIMTEL20 can be made with user-name "anonymous". Use GUEST for the password. For anonymous logins, SIMTEL20 supports the FTP "change working directory" command. (Your local syntax may be something like CD, or CWD). Ignore the message which may appear that prompts you to enter a password. This command allows you to specify a default SIMTEL20 directory to be used for all file retrievals, and thereby relieves you from having to repeatedly type "pdx:" as part of each filename. For example, you can do something like this: cd pd1: get filename-1 get filename-2 ...and so on instead of using the longer filename forms shown in previous examples. Users of TOPS-10, TENEX, or TOPS-20 systems can use "image" or "paged" mode for ALL transfers. UNIX and other users must use "ascii" mode for ASCII files, and "type tenex" or "type L 8" mode for binary files. All aspects of the FTP process for UNIX machines have been automated to a high degree by two programs in directory PD8:. With these programs, a simple command like "sh autoftp30.sh mylist &" can be run in no-hangup background mode to transfer multiple files from SIMTEL20 without the user remaining logged-in on the local system. For more information, get the file PD8:AUTOFTP30.TAR-Z, a compressed tar archive. After transferring it to your Unix host, rename to autoftp30.tar.Z, uncompress, and extract with tar. Also see BATCHFTP102.TAR-Z which is an enhanced version of autoftp. MAILING LIST CORRESPONDENCE ARCHIVES Copies of correspondence for several mailing lists are kept on SIMTEL20 in directories with names of the form PD2:, where "KEYWORD" has been chosen to indicate the associated mailing list. At present, the following correspondence archives are available: mailing list mail archive filename --------------- --------------------- ADA-SW PD2: AMETHYST-USERS PD2: INFO-68K PD2: INFO-APPLE PD2: INFO-CPM PD2: INFO-FORTH PD2: INFO-IBMPC PD2: INFO-MICRO PD2: INFO-MODEMS PD2: INFO-MODEMXX PD2: INFO-MODULA-2 PD2: INFO-PASCAL PD2: INFO-XENIX310 PD2: INFO-XMODEM PD2: NORTHSTAR-USERS PD2: UNIX-SW PD2: VIDEOTECH PD2: Descriptions of these and other mailing lists can be obtained via FTP with anonymous login (as for SIMTEL20) from FTP.NISC.SRI.COM. Ask for the file netinfo/interest-groups (an ASCII file). And please note, this is NOT on SIMTEL20. File names for SIMTEL20 mailing list correspondence archives have two forms. For example, in PD2:, which holds the INFO-CPM correspondence (the "INFO-" is assumed), the forms are: yymm.n-TXT or yymm.n-TXT-Z. Files with names ending in -Z were compressed with a Unix compress-compatible program. The characters "yymm" in the file names are the digits of the year and month of the messages in each particular file. The "n" was incremented as overflowed 150 disk pages (approximately 375K). The current month's correspondence is kept in CPM-ARCHIV.TXT, which is constantly growing as new messages arrive. There may also temporarily exist files named CURRENT.n-TXT, which hold the overflow of the current month's messages when CPM-ARCHIV.TXT is split into monthly files. Although INFO-CPM has been used as an example here, the same naming scheme is used for the other mailing list files as well. For a complete list of available files, connect to SIMTEL20 via FTP and do this: dir PD2: You will receive a list of names of the form: KEYWORD.DIRECTORY.n where "n" is one or more digits. For example, the INFO-CPM listing currently appears as "CPM.DIRECTORY.1" To then get a list of files in a particular archive, do this: dir PD2: where "keyword" (for example, "cpm") is chosen from the preceding list, and the word "directory" and the number "n" are not used. At present, all of these files are stored in ASCII. FTP PROBLEMS, FILE ERRORS, CONNECT OR LOGIN PROBLEMS System-related problems should be reported to ACTION@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL. ADDITIONS, IMPROVEMENTS AND CORRECTIONS Suggestions for additions, improvements and corrections to this message are always welcome. Please send them to w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL. Contributions of public domain and freely-distributable software are actively solicited. If you have something that seems appropriate for inclusion in the , , or archives, please contact Keith Petersen . Contact Richard Conn if you wish to contribute to the archive. Contact Robert Thum if you wish to contribute to the archive. Contact Dave Curry if you have something for the archive. Please do not send files without first getting upload instructions. Happy computing! Keith Petersen w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #141 ************************************* 16-Aug-91 12:17:34-MDT,11456;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 91 12:15:23 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #142 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910816121524.V91N142@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 16 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 142 Today's Topics: D. Goodenough's Addr forsale: Osborne I CP/M computer (and books) FREE ALTOS ACS8000/Z80 MP/M SYSTEM Molecular computer Quad Density drives.... Re: WordPerfect Reader Wanted READER? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Aug 91 16:00:00 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!pitt!grgzfla!dcb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel C Becker) Subject: D. Goodenough's Addr Message-ID: After talking to Dave, he said he is sorry he has missed the recent posts concerning QTerm 4.3 and ZSM 2.3 (I will be forwarding those to him directly). He asked me to post his email address. This address gets mail from me (in PA) to him (in CA), so it should work for others. He may not be able to respond right away, but does invite questions and comments on his packages. Usenet: pallio!dg@cs.sfsu.edu GEnie: d.goodenough -- dcb -- {Daniel C | Dan} Becker UUCP: ... pitt!grgzfla!dcb USENET: dcb%grgzfla.UUCP@vax.cs.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 91 02:43:20 GMT From: att!cbnewsh!hoswjc!wjc@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Carpenter) Subject: forsale: Osborne I CP/M computer (and books) Message-ID: <1991Aug16.024320.17226@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> For sale: Osborne I CP/M computer, software, and books I won't describe the basic Osborne I configuration; if you don't already know what an O-1 is, then you probably shouldn't go after this offer. It ain't no "compatible" PC! On the other hand, if you're interested and have questions, feel free to get in touch. I got this machine in (probably) '82 and used it regularly for a few years. It's been closed up since '86, but I fired it up today and it still works great. I'd like to sell it to someone who knows what they're getting into. I need the space more than I need the money, so make a fair offer and feel free to embellish in the hope that I'll go for some low sucker price (but I do have my pride: it cost me $1300 [at the time a "fire sale" price] for the machine, plus all the extras I accumulated along the way). If you're part of some nonprofit organization that's already using Osbornes (or at least CP/M machines), I would consider donating this in exchange for a tax receipt. FEATURES: blue case ROM version 1.44 clean (really clean, not junky, not even dusty) external video jack [see VIDEO NOTE] double density disk upgrade all the original s/w and docs, even the original carton the thing came in rear-vent fan thingy (I forget the official name of this) parallel printer adaptor cable joystick adaptor (this works with a couple of the games I have, but today I can't find the adaptor itself; if I find it later, it's yours) VIDEO NOTE: The external video output is part of the 52/80/100 board (Osborne ScreenPac), but the rest of the board never worked right. Still the external video jack works, and you can have both the built-in monitor and an external monitor working at the same time; no funny plug to play around with. I also have the "exmon" adaptor (the funny plug that is used to switch between internal and external monitors); I don't recall if it works. I have an amber monitor that I used to use with this. It's a USI PS3. It used to be considered hi-res, but certainly wouldn't be today. If you want the monitor, make an offer. SOFTWARE: In addition to the stuff that all Osborne I's came with (WordStar 2.26, SuperCalc, CBASIC, MBASIC) and a lot of mid-80's vintage public domain stuff, here's some other (mostly commercial) software that I got over the years. This is all legally acquired and I still have complete original documentation for most of it. The Micro Link (v 1.1) [comm program] Personal Pearl [relational database program, 7 disks!] Media Master (v 3.00s) [foreign disk reader/writer] Small MAC [macro assembler] Z80ASM (SLR Systems) C/80 compiler (v 3.1) C/80 mathpack (v 3.1) Nevada FORTRAN Z80 Cross Assembler (2500AD Software) MIX Editor MIX ASM Utility WordStar Release 4 upgrade (never tried; disks still sealed) Microsoft Basic Compiler (BASCOM) (v 5.30), includes M-80 macro assembler and L-80 linker SCG22 [source code generator for CP/M 2.2] Besides all this, you get to stroll down memory lane and relive early microcomputer history as you look at the odd collection of disks and sleeves in the 50-100 other disks that come with it. I also have a ton of documentation for the Osborne and for CP/M in general: Osborne I Technical Manual (includes ROM/BIOS listings) Osdex (index to O1 user's manual) Sams Computerfacts: OCC1, OCC1A (schematics, etc) Don't (Or How to Care for Your Computer) Microprocessor Interfacing Techniques More TRS-80 Assembly Language 8080A-8085 Assembly Language Programming Programming the Z80 The Programmer's CP/M Handbook The CP/M Plus Handbook Osborne CP/M User Guide Mastering CP/M CP/M Operating System Manual (official Digital Research version) C Primer Plus (this book sucks) CBASIC User Guide Payroll with Cost Accounting (includes CBASIC source listing) Best of Interface Age, Volume I, Software in BASIC Understanding FORTH Pocket Guide to FORTH Quick and Easy WordStar Proportional Spacing on WordStar The Small C Handbook SuperCalc Primer I'd prefer to get rid of it in a big heap, but I'd consider doing it in pieces. So, like, make me an offer for some or all of this. Email preferred, but my daytime phone number is below. -- Bill Carpenter att!hos1cad!wjc or attmail!bill (908) 949-8392 AT&T Bell Labs, HO 1L-410 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 91 14:05:43 EDT From: "Craig Spirka" Subject: FREE ALTOS ACS8000/Z80 MP/M SYSTEM Message-ID: <9108161806.AA12649@alw.nih.gov> I own a hardworking Altos ACS8000 MP/M (multiuser) machine, which my wife wants me to dump because it's taking up too much (guest) room. I want to find a good home for it with a fellow CP/M buff -- if they'll come to Santa Barbara, California, and haul it away. Here are the specs: It's an Altos ACS8000 with Zilog Z80 microprocessor running MP/M II (V2.1). It has an ACS 8200 Circuit Board supporting up to 4 concurrent users, with 208K of random access memory: 16K system memory, and 4 banks of 48K user memory. It has one (1) Single/Double density 8" floppy drive and a 14" Winchester 40MB Hard Drive. Also part of the free package is an Altos Magnetic Tape Unit (MTU-2, CMTD- 3400S2) to backup the hard disk onto 13.4 MB, 1/4", 450-foot, 4 track, high density magnetic tape cartridges. The MTU records data at 6400 BPI in serial recording, Modified Frequency Modulation format, at 192 Kbits/second. PLUS, a Televideo 925 monitor and TONS of: manuals, 8" floppies, tape cartridges, software on and off the hard disk -- a text editor, spell checker, mail merger, accounting system, ADVENTURE, etc. Bonus: Color IDS-100 monitor -- its a gas! All for the low, low price of $0. Just pick it up in Santa Barbara, California, promise to love it forever, and haul it home. Shipping it would be difficult, since I no longer have the padded cartons that it came in. Also, I would have to figure out a way to secure the hard disk head before shipping. Finally, it's VERY heavy. -Craig Spirka ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 15:46:00 GMT From: ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!ee.rochester.edu!rochgte!David.Barnes@rutgers.edu (David Barnes) Subject: Molecular computer Message-ID: <451.28AAF7B3@rochgte.fidonet.org> I can help you out with the Molecular system. I have 3 systems myself, and I use them all the time, I think they are probably the best engineered CP/M systems ever created. Do you have a series 9 or a series 32x or 64x???? David Barnes PS: You can call me at (716) 544-7575. -- David Barnes - via FidoNet node 1:260/222 UUCP: {smart-host}!ur-valhalla!rochgte!David.Barnes INTERNET: David.Barnes@rochgte.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 91 17:09:43 -0400 From: SonicDruid@sctnve.sct.peachnet.edu Subject: Quad Density drives.... Message-ID: <5B080F1107310102-SCTNVE*SonicDruid@sctnve.sct.peachnet.edu> hi, Try the computer shopper magazine, since companies in there are always selling quad density drives, actually 1 or 2 companies, and they run about $50 (I have a couple of them....). .................................. :<< SonicDruid@sctnve.bitnet >> : : : : Etop Udoh ->> A2 <<- : : : : //!\\ \\\\\\\\ : : // \\ !! : : //!!!!!\\ //////// : : // \\ !! : : // \\ \\\\\\\\ : :................................: ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 91 07:51:22 GMT From: unisoft!hoptoad!wet!editor@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Eric Swanson) Subject: Re: WordPerfect Reader Wanted Message-ID: <2836@wet.UUCP> freeman@WATSUN.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mike Freeman) writes: >Does anyone know of a freeware program for CP/M systems which will read >Word Perfect files and translate them to nondocument (i.e., ASCII text) >mode? If so, E-mail me or post where/how I can get such a beastie. Is this what you mean? Since WordPerfect has never been released on CP/M, it would take some kind of twisted S.O.B. to write such a thing, no? Well, I guess it's possible. On the small chance you're actually referring to Perfect Writer files, well, they're straight ASCII already. (No, I didn't really think it'd be that easy.) E. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ editor@wet.UUCP {ucsfcca,hoptoad}!wet!editor wet!editor@cca.ucsf.edu make my funk the p funk; i want my funk uncut make my funk the p funk; i wants to get funked up ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 91 06:47:27 GMT From: ogicse!plains!skar%plains.NoDak.edu@uunet.uu.net (Keith Skar aka Roddy) Subject: READER? Message-ID: <11564@plains.NoDak.edu> IM looking for an offline mail reader. IM looking for something that could be used with the UUCP package. I looked at crr but that doesnt look like it would work. anybody know of one... thanks -- Keith M. Skar aka Roddy skar@plains.nodak.edu Internet | All I ask is for a chance skar@plains Bitnet | to prove that money ..!uunet!plains!skar UUCP | can't make me happy!! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #142 ************************************* 18-Aug-91 17:21:41-MDT,9933;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 91 17:15:57 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #143 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910818171558.V91N143@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 18 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 143 Today's Topics: CP/M Emulator Desired (for PC) Re: CP/M Emulator Desired (for PC) Re: This televideo thing...update Re: WordPerfect Reader Wanted RE: zde vs vde ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Aug 91 06:51:32 GMT From: europa.asd.contel.com!noc.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!murdoch!ra.cs.Virginia.EDU!cak0l@uunet.uu.net (cak0l) Subject: CP/M Emulator Desired (for PC) Message-ID: <1991Aug18.065132.4383@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> i'm looking for a cp/m emulator that will run on the IBM PC (as one may have guessed from the title of the article...). it does not have to be efficient, sleek, or beautiful, but it does have to be cheap/free and work at least as well as my old cp/m card on my apple ][. please send me mail, and if there is enough response, i will post it for other interested seekers. even half-remember hints about where to find an emulator could be entertaining for me, so please help me out. thanks, chris koeritz. Christopher Koeritz (cak0l@Virginia.EDU) -------------- hmmm.... ---------- hmmm.... --------------- To conquer oneself is a greater task than conquering others. -- Shakyamuni Buddha ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 22:28:07 GMT From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!efichtne@uunet.uu.net (Erik Fichtner) Subject: Re: CP/M Emulator Desired (for PC) Message-ID: <1991Aug18.222807.24687@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> try Z80MU. it's PD and it's the best PC CP/M emulator I've ever seen. i've got a copyy somewhere, but I'm in the process of moving so everything is in shambles. send me E-Mail if you can't find a copy. I've got version 3.10 I've heard that they've released a version 5, but I've also heard that they've added happy little menus and colors and other crap that an operating system should never have. stick with 3.10 it's like working with CP/M. it's also fast.. running on my 25MHz 386, the emulator averages about a 3MHz Z80a. which is about what you get with a CP/M machine anyway. hope that helps.. -- Techs (efichtne@nyx.cs.du.edu [isis.cs.du.edu]) Disclaimer: If any of the above is wrong, I didn't post it. "What do ya mean I ain't kind....just not *your* kind!" - Megadeth ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 91 21:26:22 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: This televideo thing...update Message-ID: Earl W Phillips writes: > 1) It seems to boot up off the floppy, which I think it calls a> Are you CERTAIN it's booting off the floppy? I'm pretty certain it's booting off the hard drive. Unless of course you happen to have a floppy disk in the floppy drive... > 2) The harddrive (hd) seems to be copnfigured to be the b> & c> > drives. b> is ok, but c> is trashed with sector problems. I'm going > to attempt to format some floppies and dump the contents of b> to > them, then reformat the hd. Anybody got any docs on this procedure? > Also, anyone know how I can get it to boot off the hd w/o a floppy > in the drive? Have you watched the floppy's activity light (if it even has one, which is rare these days)? If it lights up when you reference the C: drive, that's probably why it appears trashed. > 3) When I type dir at the a> prompt, I get a LOTTA stuff. Can all > this be on one little old floppy? Or is it mebbe somehow running > the dir of b> ? Define "LOTTA stuff". Try using the command "STAT d:DSK:", where d: is the drive letter, and that will tell you the capacity of each "drive". Check the number next to "Kilobyte Drive Capacity". If it's some number above 730,000 then it's your hard drive partition. Also you have neglected some very, EXTREMELY important information. What model is your Televideo? Also, what's the capacity of your hard drive (if you know)? Without that information, it will be difficult to help you. > 4) Is it possible to obtain manuals for this thing, or is that a > pipedream? I don't think you'll have all that much trouble. There are probably quite a few Televid users out there... > 5) It seems to have a connection for a paralell printer. Is it a > straighforward connection, and works immediately upon, say, sending > stuff to the printer in WS, or do I gotta run some funky printer > driver/control program too? I'd REALLY like to use one of today's > high speed printers with this thing. That and the hd is the only > reason I'm playing with this thing! I'm not entirely sure that's a "parallel" printer port. It may just be a serial port. > 6) A modem. Where/how to connect it, since it seems nothing came > outta the other RS232 connector when I had the terminal hooked to it. Hold on a sec, son. A DB-25 connector is not necessarily an "RS-232c" connector. In fact, I can tell you right now, it is not. It's just the most commonly used connector for a serial port. "RS-232C", or its more verbose name, "Recommended Standard 232 Revision C", is nothing more than a document recommending standards for serial communications put out by the Electronic Industry of America (EIA). The connector doesn't say it's "RS-232". In fact, the connector is used all the time for parallel ports on IBM and compatible machines as well for serial ports. Conversely, not all RS-232C ports use DB-25 connectors. On most AT's, a male DB-9 is used. On Macintoshes, Apple II GSs, and Apple IIc Pluses, they use an 8-pin mini-DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norm) jack. On some computers like the Dynabyte Monarch and the AT&T 3B2/400, modular jacks are used. Conclusion: BE ---*** V E R Y ***--- CAREFUL WHAT YOU PLUG INTO WHATEVER PORT YOU PLUG A PERIPHERAL IN!!!!!! I fried a parallel printer on my XT by plugging the cable that goes between the back of the case and the card with a DB-25 at one end and a 16-pin DIP header at the other end to the game connector on the multi-I/O card. > 7) The terminal that came with it seems to require a lot of key > punching just to get it going; I gotta reset the baud rate, etc > everytime I turn it on. Can I just use a simple old dumb terminal, > preset to the proper baud rate, and leave it at that? Again, you should have stated what kind of gear for those of us "who just joined us" to know what the heck is going on. I might be able to help because I might have some Televid docs floating around. > Well, there's the update! Any further advise is appreciated! I'll see what "advice" I might be able to give. Good luck. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "If you can't believe what you read in the comics, (916) 344-5360 | what CAN you believe?" -- Bullwinkle J. Moose ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 02:59:49 GMT From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!efichtne@uunet.uu.net (Erik Fichtner) Subject: Re: WordPerfect Reader Wanted Message-ID: <1991Aug18.025949.13981@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> In article <2836@wet.UUCP> editor@wet.UUCP (Eric Swanson) writes: >freeman@WATSUN.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mike Freeman) writes: >>Does anyone know of a freeware program for CP/M systems which will read >>Word Perfect files and translate them to nondocument (i.e., ASCII text) >>mode? If so, E-mail me or post where/how I can get such a beastie. > there isn't such a beast for CP/M, although it would be a trivial hack to do it... however, there is a little program; convert.exe that is included in WordPerfect that changes just about everything into something else.. use is self explanatory.. on the off chance that ASCII isn't listed, just go into WordPerfect and press ^F5 and select 1:Save text or somethin.. this saves as ASCII. -- Techs (efichtne@nyx.cs.du.edu [isis.cs.du.edu]) Disclaimer: If any of the above is wrong, I didn't post it. "What do ya mean I ain't kind....just not *your* kind!" - Megadeth ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 91 19:29:03 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman) Subject: RE: zde vs vde Message-ID: <5yB561w164w@ijpc.UUCP> THRA004@mvs.ulcc.ac.uk (Christopher Currie, IHR) writes: > A problem with ZDE is that the installation program doesn't seem > to be easy to get hold of. I was looking for it on Simtel20 a few > weeks ago and it wasn't there. Although I use ZDE, it's annoying > not to be able to change the defaults. Hmmm. I've always been able to install ZDE. Every version I've gotten ALWAYS had an installation program. Try looking for a program called "ZDENSTxx.COM" where XX is the current version. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "If you can't believe what you read in the comics, (916) 344-5360 | what CAN you believe?" -- Bullwinkle J. Moose ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #143 ************************************* 19-Aug-91 12:32:57-MDT,9144;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 91 12:21:08 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #144 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910819122110.V91N144@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 19 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 144 Today's Topics: BB1 Free to good home near Adelaide, S Australia Cromemco Computer Equip for sale ** CHEAP ** Hi-Tech C configuration ICL Terminal Info Requested modem for televideo 803 MP/M-II Re: Hi-Tech C configuration Re: modem for televideo 803 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Aug 91 02:53:54 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (What a Guy!) Subject: BB1 Free to good home near Adelaide, S Australia Message-ID: <16628.28aa725e@levels.unisa.edu.au> Free to good home (close to Adelaide South Australia)...... 1 Fergusson (sp?) BB1 z80 computer in Bullet proof Metal case with 220VAC power supply 2 Shugart 8" floppy drives in similar cases Various cables, etc and a Parallel Keyboard. No monitor, but you need one (composite I believe) NO boot disks or future support (sorry) I'm moving back to San Diego and will be taking my Kaypros with me, but this "boat anchor" will remain ANCHORED in SA most likely.... Boot disks available from the Keeper of the System disks (I hope) in S.D. (Well, maybe a little support in a month or so, ;-) ) I paid 20$Aus for it, but never got around to playing with it! So if you want to come by & see it, we can enjoy an Export or a Coopers Ale together while we warm our toes in front of it.... Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 23:12:23 GMT From: ucsbcsl!voodoo.physics.ucsb.edu!crmeyer@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Cromemco Computer Equip for sale ** CHEAP ** Message-ID: <1106@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Cromemco Computer Equipment for sale... (CHEAP!) A friend of mine gave me a bunch of Cromemco computer equipment, manuals, and some disks. I have run out of space and am getting ready to donate it to charity. If you are interrested in anything lease E-mail me. Any offer that covers shipping and is worth my while (vs a very minor tax write-off) if fine. 3 Cromemco C10 computers with disk drives: These are Z80 based computers with monitors that run CDOS (Comemco's enhansed version of CP/M) and have external Tandon full height double sided/double density disk drives. 1 Cromemco CS1HD: This is a 68000 based system that runs Cromix (Cromemco's version of UNIX). It is full of S100 boards and is complete except for the hard drive. It could also have the above C10 computers hooked up to it as terminals. Lots of books (service manuals, DBASE II, operating systems, etc) and some back-up disks. +-----------------------------------+ | Charles R. Meyer | | | | Internet: crmeyer@voodoo.ucsb.edu | | Bitnet: crmeyer@voodoo | | HEPnet: voodoo::crmeyer | +-----------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 02:09:03 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!dave@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Horsfall) Subject: Hi-Tech C configuration Message-ID: <1991Aug19.020903.4543@ips.oz.au> Has anyone successfully configured Hi-Tech C to run with some passes/libraries etc on A:, and others on B:? I want to make more room on A: for an editor like WordStar, since I'm sick of swapping floppies for trivial changes. Alternatively, does there exist a decent screen editor known to work on ye olde Microbee 128K, pref. with VI or WS commands? Source would be nice. I don't have FTP access, so I can't search the obvious sites. -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC dave@ips.OZ.AU ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 17:58:46 GMT From: EMR.CA!icottrel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Cottrel) Subject: ICL Terminal Info Requested Message-ID: <9108191758.AA13008@emr1.emr.ca> I am posting this for a friend who does not have net access. Please reply to me directly (at the address given below). Thanks in advance. Ian - - - ICL CRT Terminal: 12" Green Phosphor display, 80 Columns by 24 Rows, with a 25th status line. It came with an ICL Multi- user MP/M system, and seems to emulate TeleVideo's Model 950 quite closely. Appearance-wise, it is beige in colour, and similar in shape and style to TeleVideo 925/950/TS-800A and early DEC terminals. There are three sets of eight dipswitched on the rear panel, and I've tried various combinations with no avail... I would like to change the baud-rate settings, and the character set to US-English, as the terminal runs at 9600 Baud, and uses the UK-English (British) character set. Help! -Blair Groves @ The TV Station BBS (416)-875-3949- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Cottrell, Senior Analyst email: icottrel@emr1.emr.ca Information Technology Branch GEnie: i.cottrell Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada office: (613) 992-4917 588 Booth Street home: (613) 829-1650 Ottawa, ON, Canada BBS: (613) 952-2289 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 11:58:26 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ah190@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Stuart Pearl) Subject: modem for televideo 803 Message-ID: <1991Aug19.115826.25279@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Thanks to all of you who have provided information on my friend's Televideo 803. It's been a big help. Now as for the modem he needs..... I understand that this unit can only use an external modem. Are these modems species specific to cp/m machines, or can we purchase any Hayes compatible unit (or are they just for MS-DOS machines?) If we can't get something new, I imagine we'll be hunting the electronics surplus stores or flea markets. Where else might one look for used old modems for televideos? Thanks in advance -stu -- ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===--- Cleveland, Ohio ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu -------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 15:19:17 GMT From: mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!syswtr@apple.com Subject: MP/M-II Message-ID: <1991Aug19.101917.1@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> Does anyone out there know what the last release of MP/M-II was? Willy ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 08:56:15 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!cs.uow.edu.au!u8515682@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Wayne Doust) Subject: Re: Hi-Tech C configuration Message-ID: <1991Aug19.085615.9648@cs.uow.edu.au> dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes: >Alternatively, does there exist a decent screen editor known to work on >ye olde Microbee 128K, pref. with VI or WS commands? Source would be nice. Vdo is good. Has the main WS commands, edits in memory and is 10k long. I can mail it to you if you like or ring me on 042 85 2063 for a direct transfer. Wayne -- "Esk, in fact, moved through the fair more like an arsonist moves through a hayfield or a neutron bounces through a reactor, poets notwithstanding, and the hypothetical watcher could have detected her random passage by tracing the outbreaks of hysteria and violence." Equal Rites by T. Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 13:30:43 GMT From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net (Bill Marcum) Subject: Re: modem for televideo 803 Message-ID: <1991Aug19.133043.13321@world.std.com> You should be able to use any Hayes-compatible RS-232 standard external modem. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #144 ************************************* 21-Aug-91 03:33:55-MDT,5190;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 21-Aug-91 03:25:31 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 03:25:30 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #145 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910821032531.V91N145@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 21 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 145 Today's Topics: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? Re: modem for televideo 803 Re: Quad Density drives.... Re: READER? Re: WANTED* 96TPI Quad density drives (800k) S100 Cards - IMSAI 8080 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Aug 91 19:34:42 GMT From: pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!gypsc.enet.dec.com!joehnk@decwrl.dec.com (gypsc::joehnk) Subject: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? Message-ID: <1991Aug20.133539.3811@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Could somebody please provide me with the format of the $$$.SUB file as generated by the SUBMIT command? Thanks, Reinhard Joehnk Reinhard Joehnk INTERNET: reinhard.joehnk@ufc.mts.dec.com Digital Equipment GmbH PHONE: +49-89-9591-3286 Munich FAX: +49-89-9591-1282 Germany ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 18:01:41 GMT From: prism!jm59@gatech.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: Re: modem for televideo 803 Message-ID: <35051@hydra.gatech.EDU> In article <1991Aug19.133043.13321@world.std.com> bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes: >You should be able to use any Hayes-compatible RS-232 standard external modem. I did this also. "Hayes Compatible" mainly means the modem will execute a set of character commands for modem setup, dialing and storing phone numbers, etc. Be sure you get a copy of the commands; they should be listed in the manual, and many are prefixed "/at" (I think). You may have to remember a few commands if you need to use the modem in the non-default condition, and others such as stored dialing sequences, are also handy. My terminal emulator did not store any commands or setups itself, but other cp/m terminal utilities may do so. Regards --jmm-- -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 00:37:51 GMT From: mothra!geh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory Holdren) Subject: Re: Quad Density drives.... Message-ID: <4480007@mothra.rose.hp.com> I found Quad drives from Mandelsons company. They are $50 bucks in the Computer Shopper but listed for $39 in Radio Electronics (latest issue). So if ya order some, say you saw the ad in RE. ;^ The drives are Fujitsu M2552, I check the spec and indeed they are high density drives running at 300RPMs. Greg Holdren ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 15:11:37 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Re: READER? Message-ID: In a message of <16 Aug 91> skar@plains.NoDak.edu wrote: > I'm looking for an offline mail reader. IM looking for something > that could be used with the UUCP package. I looked at crr but > that doesnt look like it would work. > anybody know of one... CRR wouldn't fit your bill -- it's for reading Fidonet mail. (I should know, I wrote the so-and-so!) Dave Goodenough's UUCP package does need a reader, or at least something which will take a mail file and produce a file with quote marks in the right places... Now, if I could get mail to DG... -- Paul Martin pm.nowster@tharr.uucp Fido: 2:250/107 ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 00:39:40 GMT From: mothra!geh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory Holdren) Subject: Re: WANTED* 96TPI Quad density drives (800k) Message-ID: <4480008@mothra.rose.hp.com> I found Quad drives from Mandelsons company. They are $50 bucks in the Computer Shopper but listed for $39 in Radio Electronics (latest issue). So if ya order some, say you saw the ad in RE. ;^ The drives are Fujitsu M2552, I check the spec and indeed they are high density drives running at 300RPMs. Greg Holdren ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 14:18:29 GMT From: psinntp!uupsi!dorsaidm!larryw@nyu.edu (Winston Lawrence) Subject: S100 Cards - IMSAI 8080 Message-ID: I have just picked up an IMSAI 8080 with the front-panel switches, LEDS, and a whopping 8K of memory. The machine works (I keyed in a test program from its manual), but is there anyway that I can get this to be useful? Where can I get S100 cards today? How about a hard disk card, 8inch drives e.t.c. I would like to restore the machine to a condition sort of like it was when it was in its prime. Thanks.. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #145 ************************************* 22-Aug-91 20:17:12-MDT,9451;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 20:15:37 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #146 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910822201538.V91N146@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 22 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 146 Today's Topics: CP/M and the Coleco ADAM cpm undelete function and more.... CRR0120.ZIP - Fidonet offline message reader for XRS-Door Re: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? (2 msgs) Re: modem for televideo 803 TRS-80 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Aug 91 18:31:24 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!sample.eng.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard F. Drushel) Subject: CP/M and the Coleco ADAM Message-ID: <1991Aug22.183124.10189@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> This is just a feeler post to see how many (if any) ADAM users are out there. Locally (Cleveland, Ohio USA) our users group has a lot of activity with ADAM CP/M 2.2 and a PD rewrite of CP/M called TDOS 4.58 (which accesses all the 3rd-party hardware developed for the ADAM after Coleco went bankrupt, like 320K/720K/1.2M/1.44M disk drives, 10/20/40/60M hard drives, RS232 cards, parallel printers, and paged memory expanders up to 1 meg). Most ADAM CP/Mers/TDOSers use 80-column serial terminals to avoid the ugly screen shifting right-and-left necessitated by ADAM's 40-column video chip (under TDOS; ADAM CP/M 2.2 used a graphics mode of the VDP to get a whopping 31 columns). WordStar 3.0 is a big favorite for word processing, and there is a CP/M version of dBASE which has much use. All in all, our orphan ADAM is not doing too badly in a few key centers in Canada and the USA. And not just with CP/M and TDOS---there have been many utility, graphics, game and computer languages written lately in ADAM's internal EOS opera- ting system. I have programmed PDP-11/34s, IBM xx86s and Macintoshes; but I have *REALLY* learned how to program hardware from my Z80 programming on my 64K ADAM with 16K of VRAM, 2 256K digital data drives (mini cassette-based file-structured magtape) and 2 160K single-sided floppies. WordStar 1.0 for the IBM-PC was a 26K .COM file ported over from the CP/M version. What is WordStar 5.0, 300K of bloated, compiled C or Turbo Pascal? 8-bit microprocessor programmers are probably the last group of real assembly language programmers left (except for maybe a few OS programmers at MicroSoft and Apple). I hope the few of us remaining continue to maintain CP/M; it is not a bad OS by any means. UNIX is not the Philosopher's Stone! :) -- Regards, Rich Drushel CWRU Dept. of Biology InterNet rfd@po.cwru.edu BitNet rfd%po.cwru.edu@cunyvm "They fell: for Heaven to them no hope imparts, / Who hear not for the beating of their hearts." --Edgar Allan Poe, "Al Aaraaf" ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 91 17:22:38 GMT From: hfsi!bower@uunet.uu.net (Michael Bower Comm. ) Subject: cpm undelete function and more.... Message-ID: <1991Aug21.172238.6894@hfsi.uucp> I have a request for you CPM guru's out in netland. I have a friend who owns a Kaypro/10 CPM machine. She just called and told me the following: While I was in WordStar (version unknown), I noticed I had a bunch of old files and I deleted them. When I left Wordstar and went back to me menu [system], I got the outline of the menu but didn't get the inside of the menu. [These are her descriptions, not mine.] I think everything is still there because I can escape out of the menu and still get to Wordstar from the A0. I talked to a company in Arlington and described my problem and they told me they could recover the menu system but it would cost about $90. The questions I have are: short term: 1) Is there an undelete type command that can be used on a CPM machine? If so, where do I get it and how do I get it on a floppy that the CPM machine can read? 2) Is there another way to recover the menu "insides"? long term: 1) Is there any easy way to get the data files that she has under Wordstar in some form that they are importable into an IBm machine if she upgrades? Suggestions, comments are certainly appreciated. Thanks in advance. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Bower - N4NMR HFS Inc. e-mail: uunet!hfsi!bower 7900 Westpark Drive. phone:(h) 703-435-5081 (o) 703-827-3559 McLean, VA 22102 Compuserve: 72050,1577 (uunet!Compuserve.com!72050.1577) ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:21:37 BST From: Paul Martin Subject: CRR0120.ZIP - Fidonet offline message reader for XRS-Door Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Message-ID: I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2: CRR0120.ZIP Fidonet offline message reader for XRS-Door CRR version 1.20 CRR is the CP/M offline reader for use anywhere XRS might be used on an MSDOS machine. It allows you to download messages from a conforming QBBS, RemoteAccess or SuperBBS Fidonet bulletin board. In order to use this software you will need an archiving program (eg. ARK or ARC), an archive extractor (eg. UNARC), and a text editor (eg. VDE or ZDE). Dave Goodenough's UNZIP program is included in the archive. Paul Martin tharr!pm.nowster@relay.EU.net ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 91 07:39:59 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? Message-ID: <1991Aug21.073959.12442@cs.rug.nl> gypsc::joehnk writes: > Could somebody please provide me with the format of the > $$$.SUB file > as generated by the SUBMIT command? This file contains 128 byte records, each with 1 (one) command. Greetings, Bert -- #include Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 91 17:26:04 GMT From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net (Bill Marcum) Subject: Re: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? Message-ID: <1991Aug21.172604.16887@world.std.com> In article <1991Aug21.073959.12442@cs.rug.nl> laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) writes: >gypsc::joehnk writes: >> Could somebody please provide me with the format of the >> $$$.SUB file >> as generated by the SUBMIT command? >This file contains 128 byte records, each with 1 (one) command. And if I'm not mistaken, these commands are stored in reverse order. > >Greetings, Bert >-- >#include > > Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University > laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 91 02:18:43 GMT From: csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: modem for televideo 803 Message-ID: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes: > I understand that this unit can only use an external modem. You're absolutely right. Most CP/M machines have nothing more than an RS-232 interface, and ANY external modem will work. > Are > these modems species specific to cp/m machines, or can we purchase > any Hayes compatible unit (or are they just for MS-DOS machines?) The answer to your question about whether you could use any Hayes-compatible unit, in a word, YES. You can use a Hayes compatible modem on ANY computer, terminal, or other peripheral with an RS-232 port. > If we can't get something new, I imagine we'll be hunting the electronics > surplus stores or flea markets. Where else might one look for used old > modems for televideos? Remember, most external modems are not for any specific computer. As long as it has an RS-232C port, you're in the clear. Case in point; I used an Atari SX-212 which not only had the 13-pin Atari connector for 8-bit computers, it had an RS-232C port so I could plug it into anything with an RS-232 port, which included an Apple //e. I also had it plugged into my S-100 box. > Thanks in advance Anytime. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "If you can't believe what you read in the comics, (916) 344-5360 | what CAN you believe?" -- Bullwinkle J. Moose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 20:58:32 EDT From: Steve.Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: TRS-80 Message-ID: <9667894@ub.cc.umich.edu> A friend needs a word-processing program for his TRS-80 (He thinks it's a model 3). The only one he has is extremely klunky. I understand that somne of the TRS 80s can do cpm, but he says he doesn't have cpm. Any suggestions (for freeware, that is) Thanks. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #146 ************************************* 23-Aug-91 20:18:41-MDT,9023;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 20:15:25 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #147 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910823201527.V91N147@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 23 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 147 Today's Topics: Re: BB1 Free to good home near Adelaide, S Australia Re: cpm undelete function and more.... (2 msgs) Re: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? Re: S100 Cards - IMSAI 8080 Re: zde vs vde TRS-80 wordprocessor ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:57:10 -0300 From: U190@cs.cciw.ca Subject: Message-ID: <5B08170A0C0D00A7-MTACY830*U190@cs.cciw.ca> ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 91 05:05:05 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: BB1 Free to good home near Adelaide, S Australia Message-ID: <1991Aug23.050505.14697@baron.uucp> etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au (What a Guy!) writes: > > >Free to good home (close to Adelaide South Australia)...... > > 1 Fergusson (sp?) BB1 z80 computer in Bullet proof > Metal case with 220VAC power supply > [...] > >Boot disks available from the Keeper of the System disks (I hope) in S.D. >(Well, maybe a little support in a month or so, ;-) ) > Yes, I think that there is a BigBoard I system disk in the archives. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 91 10:39:50 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!MYCROFTXXX@uunet.uu.net (Keith Jeffrey Kushner) Subject: Re: cpm undelete function and more.... Message-ID: <45986@cup.portal.com> It sounds as if the "Company in Arlington" is running a scam, and that your friend deleted one of the WS overlay files from her hard disk. Depending on the version she has, she may need WSHELP.OVR, WSMSGS.OVR, WS.OVR, and WSPRINT.OVR to be available. All she needs to do, probably, is copy the missing overlay (WS*.OVR) file(s) from her original floppies to her hard drive. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 91 17:28:37 GMT From: bu.edu!m2c!wpi.WPI.EDU!ear@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Mr. Neat-O [tm]) Subject: Re: cpm undelete function and more.... Message-ID: <1991Aug23.172837.303@wpi.WPI.EDU> I believe I have just hit the jackpot on this one... Earlier today at work, I was handed a box of books about CP/M. Many of these books actually deal with the operating system itself and give helpful information about BDOS calls and so on. One book goes so far as to give an assembly language listing of a program that will (insert trumpet fanfare here) undelete a file! Since I am at work, it would not be appropriate for me to type it in right now. However, I promise that I will type it in and post it sometime during this weekend. The title of this book is "CP/M Revealed" by Jack D. Dennon, and it is published by the Hayden Book Company, Inc. of New Jersey, copyright 1982. It also gives a library of Congress entry in the beginning of the book, which I will post if there are any interested parties. As to the copyright, I seriously doubt that this book is still available from the publisher, so I don't see what harm I can do by republishing a small portion of it. If anyone can convince me otherwise before I post the source code, I will consider assembling it on my system and just posting the executable code in uuencoded format. In the meantime, let me just paraphrase the information at the beginning of the chapter, which may prove useful to some of you out there... To erase a file in CP/M, the hex value E5 is entered into byte 00 of each extent of the file in the disk directory. Also, all the record blocks reserved for the file in the RBR are released. +---------< Eric A. Rasmussen - Mr. Neat-O (tm) >---------+ +< Email Address >+ | A real engineer never reads the instructions first. | | ear@wpi.wpi.edu | | (They figure out how it works by playing with it.) | | ear%wpi@wpi.edu | +---------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+ ((( In Stereo Where Available ))) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 91 13:48:26 GMT From: mcsun!unido!nixpbe!mboen@uunet.uu.net (Martin Boening) Subject: Re: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? Message-ID: <1529@nixpbe.sni.de> In <1991Aug21.073959.12442@cs.rug.nl> laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) writes: >gypsc::joehnk writes: >> Could somebody please provide me with the format of the >> $$$.SUB file >> as generated by the SUBMIT command? >This file contains 128 byte records, each with 1 (one) command. >Greetings, Bert I seem to darkly remember that it is also reversed, i.e. the command to be executed first is the last one in the list. Correct me on this, if I'm wrong. (I might correct myself. I'll turn on my CP/M system tonight to test on this). Also Greetings, Martin Gray's Law of Programming: 'n+1' trivial tasks are expected to be accomplished in the same time as 'n' trivial tasks. Logg's Rebuttal to Gray's Law: 'n+1' trivial tasks take twice as long as 'n' trivial tasks. -- Email: in the USA -> mboening.pad@sni-usa.com outside USA -> mboening.pad@sni.de Paper Mail: Martin Boening, Siemens Nixdorf Informationssys. AG, SNI STO SI 325, Pontanusstr. 55, 4790 Paderborn, W.-Germany (Phone: +49 5251 846155) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 91 05:52:56 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!ichips!intelhf!ptdca0!dkling@uunet.uu.net (Dean Kling) Subject: Re: S100 Cards - IMSAI 8080 Message-ID: <1991Aug23.055256.7516@intelhf.hf.intel.com> If you need documentation, let me know, as I am also the proud parent of one of these (assembled from the original kit c. 1977). When you solder one of these babies together you know why they call it a "motherboard". Right now the system is packed carefully away, with tender regard to it's historical significance, but most of the documentation is accessable. The main OS I was running was Northstar Basic, although just before we started upgrading, I put on CP/M 1.4, but never got much software due to the dearth of hard-sectored diskettes. Dean -- ============================================================================== Dean F. Kling dkling@ptd.intel.com (503) 642-6829 I don't speak for Intel ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 91 18:23:37 GMT From: casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!ddsw1!point!carson@ucsd.edu (Carson Wilson) Subject: Re: zde vs vde Message-ID: <1991Aug23.182337.17021@point.uucp> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: >THRA004@mvs.ulcc.ac.uk (Christopher Currie, IHR) writes: >> A problem with ZDE is that the installation program doesn't seem >> to be easy to get hold of. I was looking for it on Simtel20 a few >> weeks ago and it wasn't there. Although I use ZDE, it's annoying >> not to be able to change the defaults. >Hmmm. I've always been able to install ZDE. Every version I've >gotten ALWAYS had an installation program. Try looking for a >program called "ZDENSTxx.COM" where XX is the current version. Every public release of ZDE has been in CP/M library form (ZDExx.LBR). I've always included the installer in the library. If you're getting ZDE without the installer, someone has done you (and probably others) a disservice, and I'd like to know more about it. Thanks, Carson Wilson carson@point.UUCP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 11:39:07 -0300 From: U190@cs.cciw.ca Subject: TRS-80 wordprocessor Message-ID: <5B08170B1E320209-MTACY830*U190@cs.cciw.ca> I suggest you check out "Vulcan's Computer Monthly" -- it should have some information on companies that support TRS-80s. I have several, and I've used CP/M on at least a model 4, I'm not sure what needs to be done to use CP/M on a model 3 (maybe some extra ram). There are still wordprocessors available for even non-CP/M (TRS-DOS) users (gasp! and in info-cpm too :-) so I could look up some addresses if you can't get that magazine. It has a monthly column on TRS-80s, and is quite good. Dale Wick CP/M user (Coleco Adam, T-DOS 4.58) u190@cs.cciw.ca TRS-80 programmer (since 1979) "What do you mean 8-bits are dead? Were they ever alive?" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #147 ************************************* 26-Aug-91 08:20:21-MDT,9960;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 91 08:15:24 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #148 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910826081525.V91N148@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 26 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 148 Today's Topics: reaching me & UUCP Reading 3.5" MSDOS disks Serial-to-Parallel Converter Information Needed TDL *macro* assembler quest televideo 806 The person ZSM23: LIB.L corrupt? (etc.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Aug 91 19:01:11 PDT From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough) Subject: reaching me & UUCP Message-ID: In a posting that some of you will have seen, I say: > It suddenly came to me "like a flash, like a vision, burned across the sky" > why our good friends in Europe, Australia and New Zealand have not seen any > of my posts - they've all had the default distribution which is na for > North America. I subsequently have found that it may not be my fault, but someone else's that the distribution is getting mangled. So, I'll try posting this via info-cpm@wsmr-simtel20.armty.mil. If anyone in either Europe or Australia or New Zealand sees this, please E-mail me at the addresses below. Now, back on topic ..... Paul Martin says: > In a message of <16 Aug 91> skar@plains.NoDak.edu wrote: >> I'm looking for an offline mail reader. IM looking for something >> that could be used with the UUCP package. > > Dave Goodenough's UUCP package does need a reader, or at least > something which will take a mail file and produce a file with > quote marks in the right places... The intent was to use MAIL.COM as a common interface, that's why news gets dumped into .MAI files. In essence what you're looking for is a replacement for MAIL.COM that has a better user interface, and can invoke an editor. Suffice it to say that this is on my list of things to do, and I have a proposed solution that ought to work. It may just take a while. > Now, if I could get mail to DG... Paul, if you see this, check out the addresses in the signature. On a further topic, I saw a posting from someone called Thorbejorn (sorry, I spelled it wrong :-( ), and tried posting a reply. As before, my reply will not reach Europe because of the "distribution" problem. Can you re-post your message, and I'll try to get a reply back to you about it. -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ .....!wet!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.UUCP@cs.sfsu.edu +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 91 00:32:17 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!astemgw!icspub!rdmei!chorus.mei!ptimtc!nntp-server.caltech.edu!rknop@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Andrew Knop) Subject: Reading 3.5" MSDOS disks Message-ID: <1991Aug26.003217.11412@cco.caltech.edu> Does there exist on a ftp site somewhere a utility that will read and write a 3.5" MS-DOS disk? All of the ones I can find only read 5.25" disks. Thanks, -Rob Knop rknop@tybalt.caltech.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 91 09:13:59 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: Serial-to-Parallel Converter Information Needed Message-ID: <9108260913.AA15108@LL.MIT.EDU> A friend in Germany asked me to try to get some information for him. Here is his message to me: >> I have a serial-to-parallel converter but no information on how to set the >> DIP switches for proper operation. It came with a GENIE II (a TRS80 >> clone). It's identified as "RS-232-C Interface, Mfg. NO 9900, DATE: NOV >> 1979" and it's from OKI Electric Ind. Co. Ltd. It may be that in the USA >> some of these interfaces will exist and someone can copy the manual. >> Thanks for your help. Fritz Chwolka. Can anyone help with this? -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 25 Aug 91 23:42:28 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!ogicse!milton!sumax!polari!rwing!jeffery@uunet.uu.net (Jeffery Foy) Subject: TDL *macro* assembler quest Message-ID: <429@rwing.UUCP> Does anyone, by some chance, have a TDL-compatible macro assembler? I have a lot of files that have TDL-type macros that I'm unable to convert to straight code. Any thoughts or leads would be most welcome. Jeff jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -- ------------------------------------- Jeffery Foy - This life is a demo...[Unregistered] ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 91 18:44:19 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: televideo 806 Message-ID: Well, I've got the 806 cpu back from the shop. Not on;y was there no short, but it is now worse off than before. Now it boots off the floppy after the 3rd reset, but "dir" only shows 1 file on any disk, and in most cases only part of that filename. Only by going thru the alphabet (i.e: dir a*.*; dir b*.*; etc) can I determine what files are on any disk. The harddrive is completely gorfed. I get screenfuls of "Bios errors", "read errors", etc, and have to shut it off to start all over again. Does anyone out there have an 806, that will send me a sysgen'ed disk, with hdformat and sysgen.com on it? In return, assuming that fixes it, I'll send a copy of every file I got for this system! I would really prefer it to be from an 806, I don't wanna take any chances with differences between 802's, 803's, etc and the 806. Please help! ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 91 23:32:24 EDT From: Steve.Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: The person Message-ID: <9688674@ub.cc.umich.edu> I have an undelete utility that I *think* is a public domain utility (Actually I don't remember where it came from at this point.) It is for a kaypro II. If you want to pursue it, send me mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Aug 91 19:20:41 PDT From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough) Subject: ZSM23: LIB.L corrupt? (etc.) Message-ID: Ewen McNeill sez: > I was given a copy of David Goodenough's ZSM23.LBR, assembler package. > It looks like a really good assembler, with lots of useful subroutines > supplied. > > However, when I came to extract the files, I found that two of the files > in my copy of ZSM23.LBR had the wrong checksums (I used CRCK4.COM to > generate the checksums - everything else was okay). The two files were: > LIB.L and LIB.DOC Humm. From what I believe, there's copies of ZSM.LBR (or ZSM23.LBR) drifting around that are corrupt. If you want the most up to date version, it can be requested from the rna server here on pallio. Send mail containing this line: /send zsm to your.address.here where you fill in your address as shown. Note that I can't guarantee Internet addresses, so yourt best bet is to use an address of the form: hoptoad!host.domain!user where the first site is a Bay Area UUCP <--> Internet gateway. hoptoad, decwrl, ucbvax and pacbell are a few possibilities. I will make sure that the LIB.L in this file is the most up to date available, so there should not be any problems. Also, I'll make sure LIB.DOC is not corrupt. Paul Martin adds: > This probably came from me. I got it from SIMTEL20. I wish you hadn't said that. If the version on SIMTEL20 is shot we're in real trouble. Hey Mike Freeman - are you listening? Can you: A: grab the latest ZSM from pallio!rna (or from GEnie - I'll re-upload in the next couple of days) B: submit it to SIMTEL20 under the name ZSM23.LBR C: see if you can delete the file that's currently on SIMTEL20 And Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen says: > I have downloaded QTERM 4.3 from simtel20, and have set the thing up > for my Rc700 [Danish brand]. It appears very neat and works fine > (vt100 emulation and all) until I try to do any kind of filetransfer. > (up or down) > In kermit it times out, and in X/Y modem it tells me that it receives > non-ack characters. I have never gotten a transfer started yet. > This suggest a bad implementation of the i/o functions in the > overlayfile, but I have hooked it raw into the bios functions (which > works nicely in ZMP, even in X/Y modem). I have interrupt driven > (with a 256 bytes buffer) serial comms, and besides runs at 1200 baud, > while testing this thing out. Aha - this is the message I was missing (kudos to Dan Becker for forwarding these posts on to me) Anyway, it does sound like the patch area is not correct. Thorbjoern, can you mail me both the ZMP patch and the QTERM patch that you're trying. with both of those, I may be able to create something that will work for you. -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ .....!wet!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.UUCP@cs.sfsu.edu +---+ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #148 ************************************* 26-Aug-91 19:44:14-MDT,8064;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 26-Aug-91 19:38:38 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 91 19:38:37 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #149 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910826193838.V91N149@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 26 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 149 Today's Topics: Programming Survey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Aug 91 20:00:00 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!pitt!grgzfla!dcb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel C Becker) Subject: Programming Survey Message-ID: Fellow CP/Mers, the following is a cross posting of a request that showed up in comp.org.acm . I am sure it will be of interest to most of you (if only for entertainment reasons). - - - - - CUT HERE - - - - - > From: PCS$1618@SLU.BITNET > Newsgroups: comp.org.acm > Subject: Programmer survey > Message-ID: > Date: 22 Aug 91 04:01:00 GMT > Sender: "ACM-L List for discussing ACM; gatewayed with comp.org.acm" > > Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU > Original_To: BITNET%"acm-l@ohstvma" Dear ACMers.... I am doing some research that includes an opinion survey. I want input from as many students, faculty, University staff and private sector programmers as I can get in and out of the U.S. Those of you in industry please distribute the survey to co-workers as your group is very important to my research and you are hard to find. Please place an asterisk (*) to the left of your response on the survey form and send it back to me. E-Mail responses will be EXTRACTED without the header so that anonymity can be preserved. Or if you prefer my U.S. Mail address is also below. Here's your big chance to become a statistic !! Thank you ALL for your participation. Anne Applin Class of '92 Southeastern LA University PCS$1618@SLU.BITNET OR 102 Azalea Dr. Hammond, LA 70401 - - - - - CUT HERE - - - - - > From: PCS$1618@SLU.BITNET > Newsgroups: comp.org.acm > Subject: The Survey itself > Message-ID: > Date: 22 Aug 91 04:02:00 GMT > Sender: "ACM-L List for discussing ACM; gatewayed with comp.org.acm" > > Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU > Original_To: BITNET%"acm-l@ohstvma" Goto Attitude Survey A. Your Personal Attitude (be as objective as possible) Always Never 1. I use GOTOs. 1 2 3 4 5 Strongly Agree Strongly Disagree 2. Error Branching and subprogram calls are really GOTOs. 1 2 3 4 5 3. Languages without GOTOs are superior languages. 1 2 3 4 5 4. BASIC is a bad language and should be eliminated from use. 1 2 3 4 5 5. I believe that GOTOs are: 1. bad. My experience with them is: they are hard to follow. 2. bad. My experience with them is: code is hard to maintain. 3. bad. I believe their use yields unstructured code. 4. bad. I was taught to reguard them as such. 5. good. I find them clear and easy to follow. 6. good. They make it easy to change the program flow. 7. necessary. Neither good nor bad. 6. My first programming language was: 1. Ada 2. Assymbly 3. BASIC 4. C 5. COBOL 6. ForTran 7. Pascal 8. other 7. I wrote my first program: 1. Within the last 12 months 2. 2-5 years ago 3. 6-10 years ago 4. 11-20 years ago 5. 21-30 years ago 6. over 30 years ago 8. I have been programming full time for: 1. less than 1 year 2. 2-5 years 3. 6-10 years 4. 11-20 years 5. 21-30 years 6. over 30 years Strongly Agree Strongly Disagree 9. I have found that what is taught and the industry reality are two different things. 1 2 3 4 5 10. University topics in computer science lag behind the functional realities they try to teach. 1 2 3 4 5 B. Demographic Information Your programming environment: 11. Who you are: 1. Student 2. University 2. Faculty 3. University Staff Programmer 4. Private Industry Programmer 5. Government or Military Programmer 12. How you work: 1. I program with a team or group 2. I program alone 3. I work individually and on teams 4. I call the shots - I rarely program myself 13. Your primary hardware: 1. Mainframe 2. PC 3. Equal split - Mainframe/PC 14. Your primary language: 1. Ada 2. Assembly 3. C 4. COBOL 5. ForTran 6. Pascal 7. Statistical Package/Data Base Package 8. Other High-Level Language 9. I use CASE tools for application development Geographical Information: **** Please mark all that apply 15. I work in: My degrees were earned in 16.BA/BS 17.MA/MS 18.PhD 1. Eastern Europe 1 1 1 2. Western Europe 2 2 2 3. UK 3 3 3 4. Scandanavia 4 4 4 5. USA 5 5 5 6. North America 6 6 6 7. South America 7 7 7 8. Austrailia/NZ 8 8 8 9. Tiawan 9 9 9 10. Japan 10 10 10 11. India 11 11 11 12. Other Asian 12 12 12 Your Educational background: 19. Bachelor or current major: 20. Masters 21. PhD 1. Computer Science 1. 1. 2. Mathematics 2. 2. 3. Management 3. 3. 4. Other Science 4. 4. 5. Other Business related 5. 5. 6. Arts & Humanities 6. 6. 7. Some courses this level 7. 7. 8. No courses this level 8. 8. 22. Your age group: 1. 18-24 2. 25-34 3. 35-44 4. 45-54 5. 55 and over 23. Your Gender: 1. Female 2. Male - - - - - CUT HERE - - - - - -- dcb -- {Daniel C | Dan} Becker UUCP: ... pitt!grgzfla!dcb USENET: dcb%grgzfla.UUCP@vax.cs.pitt.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #149 ************************************* 28-Aug-91 16:21:38-MDT,8948;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 91 16:15:49 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #150 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910828161551.V91N150@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 28 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 150 Today's Topics: Bondwell Model 2 (CP/M) Laptop Re: cpm undelete function and more.... Re: Decoding of *.?Y? files Re: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? Re: Strange compression format Source Code for Unsqueezer Strange compression format this here televideo..... UNDELETE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Aug 91 18:45:02 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Bondwell Model 2 (CP/M) Laptop Message-ID: <1991Aug28.184502.24494@baron.uucp> Can anyone out there provide a replacement system disk for one of these critters? Have a chap who's only system disk is munged. Thanks in advance. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 91 11:56:05 GMT From: bu.edu!m2c!wpi.WPI.EDU!ear@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Mr. Neat-O [tm]) Subject: Re: cpm undelete function and more.... Message-ID: <1991Aug28.115605.16222@wpi.WPI.EDU> Well folks, I apologize but I didn't type in the program this past weekend. There are two main reasons: 1) As someone rightly pointed out to me, there are several PD versions available, so why go through the effort. 2) I forgot the box of books at work over the weekend... If anyone really, really wants the assembly source for an undelete program, I will consider typing it in and distributing it. +---------< Eric A. Rasmussen - Mr. Neat-O (tm) >---------+ +< Email Address >+ | A real engineer never reads the instructions first. | | ear@wpi.wpi.edu | | (They figure out how it works by playing with it.) | | ear%wpi@wpi.edu | +---------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+ ((( In Stereo Where Available ))) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 91 05:20:01 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!metro!usage.csd.unsw.oz.au!henryb@uunet.uu.net (Dr Henry Brancik) Subject: Re: Decoding of *.?Y? files Message-ID: <2327@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au> Sorry, I have to correct myself. On SIMTEL there is in PD2: directory a new version of LT, LT30.LBR, which decodes *.?Y? files. In PD2: directory there is a new version of LZH encoder/decoder, TLZH20.LBR. According to date stamping their upload was on August 12, 1991. I must have missed announcement of that upload. - Henry Brancik, henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (UNIX) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 91 21:08:28 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!alpha@apple.com (Joe W Wright) Subject: Re: Format of file $$$.SUB ?? Message-ID: <46156@cup.portal.com> The $$$.SUB file contains a reverse ordered list of the commands in FOO.SUB. For example.. In foo.sub you have cpm commands, one per line.. pip b:=a:foo.bar era a:foo.bar dir b: These commands will be written, one per record, last command first, to $$$.SUB in Function 10 format, ie.. byte 0 is the length of the command, then the command, then a terminating nul. 06H,"DIR B:",0H 0DH,"ERA A:FOO.BAR",0H 10H,"PIP B:=A:FOO.BAR",0H The command processor (CCP) reads the $$$.SUB file, places the last record in the command line buffer and removes the last record from the file. The command is executed and the CCP reads $$$.SUB again... until it is empty. Joe Wright alpha@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 91 05:10:47 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!usage.csd.unsw.oz.au!henryb@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Dr Henry Brancik) Subject: Re: Strange compression format Message-ID: <2313@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au> In article <1991Aug27.021601.14724@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, bwildasi@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Wildasin) writes: > > I have some files that have names like *.cym and *.dyc, presumably > the result of some compression tecnique. Now I have seen .?q? and .?z? > formats, but how do I unpack the .?y? files? > > Thanks in advance. Hi, you will find your "un-squeezer" in archive sites by anonymous ftp: try Washington Univ: wuarchive.wustl.edu (= 128.252.135.4), cd to mirrors/cpm/squsq and look for library which starts somthing like LTZH.... It will have a file LT29.COM (or later version) which will do your *.?Y? or try SIMTEL: wmsr-Simtel20.army.mil (= 192.88.110.20), cd to PD2:, set TENEX mode and do as above. There are other "uncrunchers" which will do *.?Y? but I do not remember their name. I think it starts UNCRZHL (?) and I do not know the directory. I downloaded the program some time ago. That UNC... will crunch your file to *.?Y?, but the process is much slower than for *.?Z?. Files crunched to *.?Y? are usually about 10% smaller than *.?Z?. Cheers! Henry Brancik E-mail: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 91 23:17:55 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!an942@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Scott Marshall) Subject: Source Code for Unsqueezer Message-ID: <1991Aug27.231755.1735@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Hi. There has been a bit of a discussion of unsqueezing files here lately. Unfortunately, most of the programs available are already in .COM format. Does anyone know where source code is available from that I can run on a Unix system? I tried one version from the University of Iowa, but it gives segmentation faults as soon as the output file is opened. Thanks for any help I can get. Scott Marshall. u895217@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 91 02:16:01 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!bwildasi%silver.ucs.indiana.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Wildasin) Subject: Strange compression format Message-ID: <1991Aug27.021601.14724@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> I have some files that have names like *.cym and *.dyc, presumably the result of some compression tecnique. Now I have seen .?q? and .?z? formats, but how do I unpack the .?y? files? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 91 22:02:02 GMT From: micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Earl W Phillips) Subject: this here televideo..... Message-ID: Well, another call to he shop. I have to bring it back, they'll install anoth{er harddrive attheir expense, this time. Hopefully, I'll have a working machine by week's end! ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 91 17:54:45 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: UNDELETE Message-ID: On Simtel-20, there is an unerasing program, pd2:uneraz11.lbr, that should fill the bill if the user has a Z80 CPU. There is now a UNERAZ12.LBR; I'll try to get it and upload it to Simtel. There's also a rather slick UNDELETE.LBR whose program checks for duplicate files and files whose first extent is gone. I've got it at home; will dig it out also. Cheers! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Freeman, K7UIJ | Internet: freeman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 301 N.E. 107th Street | or K7UIJ@pacifier.rain.com Vancouver, WA 98685 USA | GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 Telephone (206)574-8221 | Be careful what you wish -- you might | get it! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #150 ************************************* 30-Aug-91 14:20:53-MDT,9205;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 91 14:15:32 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #151 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910830141538.V91N151@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 30 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 151 Today's Topics: cp/m software availability CRR0120.ZIP - Fidonet offline message reader for XRS-Door Osborne O1 Portable Re: cpm undelete function and more.... Re: Strange compression format Summary of adding/replacing 5 1/4" HD drives on 8" system wanted! Text Editors: Commodore 128, CP/M 3.0 ZSM23.LBR assembler uploaded to SIMTEL20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Aug 91 17:02:52 GMT From: orca.cs.wisc.edu!bolo@speedy.wisc.edu (Joe Burger) Subject: cp/m software availability Message-ID: <1991Aug30.170252.14350@spool.cs.wisc.edu> I've been wondering about the availability of CP/M software and documentation. I've seen the "cp/m compilers" list posted here, but I was wondering if any other cpm software is still available, for example, what about the z-system and its' various utilities, editors, linkers, etc. I'm asking because i'm considering using a sb180 or an old s-100 system that I can pick up as a native "development" system for a dedicated z80 controller project, and I would like to know if there is software out there (editors, z-system, assemblers, etc) that I can do the work with. thanks for any help Joe -- Joe Burger University of Wisconsin-Madison Computer Systems Lab arpa: bolo@cs.wisc.edu uucp: {backbone}!uwvax!bolo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:21:37 BST From: Paul Martin Subject: CRR0120.ZIP - Fidonet offline message reader for XRS-Door Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Message-ID: I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2: CRR0120.ZIP Fidonet offline message reader for XRS-Door CRR version 1.20 is the CP/M offline reader for use anywhere XRS might be used on an MSDOS machine. It allows you to download messages from a conforming QBBS, RemoteAccess or SuperBBS Fidonet bulletin board. In order to use this software you will need an archiving program (eg. ARK or ARC), an archive extractor (eg. UNARC), and a text editor (eg. VDE or ZDE). Dave Goodenough's UNZIP program is included in the archive. Paul Martin tharr!pm.nowster@relay.EU.net ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 91 18:28:25 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!news-server.ecf!generic.physics.utoronto.ca!ists!sgl!kipp@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Kipp Cannon) Subject: Osborne O1 Portable Message-ID: <1991Aug29.182825.13864@ists.ists.ca> I recently picked up an Osborne portable (sort of!) computer at a Salvation Army store for $25. I have no information on this computer except that the little metal plate glued to the back tells me that it's an Osborne Computer Corporation model OCC 1. I have determined that a boot disk is required, but that's about all I know about this computer. If anyone can help me, please E-mail me at kipp@sgl.ists.ca. I would like to know where I could find a boot disk, technical information, user's references, programming quides, anything that might allow me to do something with this computer (other that reduce it to spare parts!). ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 91 07:35:30 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Anders Holtsberg) Subject: Re: cpm undelete function and more.... Message-ID: <1991Aug29.073530.29874@lth.se> Dear Eric A. Rasmussen and all other wizzards in this group. The *undelete* function mentioned in the Subject line, might that help me with the following? A dear friend of mine has typed in a archeological manuscript of 50 pages on an Amstrad word processor running CP/M equiped with a somewhat obscure drive for rectangular discs. Error: something like "can't read sektor 0". All other sectors OK (But we don't have any program to read them). No back up. No sign of shit on the disc. One and a half week of full time job to recreate it. The one to give a correct hint or a disc-crash recover program will be honored with deep gratitude. Any hint pleeeeeease...... Anders Holtsberg ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 91 02:28:26 GMT From: att!pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Strange compression format Message-ID: <4DBD81w164w@ijpc.UUCP> Ben Wildasin writes: > I have some files that have names like *.cym and *.dyc, presumably > the result of some compression tecnique. Now I have seen .?q? and .?z? > formats, but how do I unpack the .?y? files? Programs like UCRLZH11 or more recently, the programs in CRUNCH28.LBR, will uncrunch them. Or EXL will, but I use UNCRUNCH28. It will be directly replacing UNCRLZH on my CP/M machines, and will be my main uncrunher on my MS-DOS machine using 22NICE to emulate the Z80. BTW, both uncrunchers will uncrunch ANYTHING, be it *.?Q?, *.?Z?, or *.?Y?. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "If you can't believe what you read in the comics, (916) 344-5360 | what CAN you believe?" -- Bullwinkle J. Moose ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 16:51:50 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!dkuug!imada!ravn@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen) Subject: Summary of adding/replacing 5 1/4" HD drives on 8" system wanted! Message-ID: <1991Aug30.165150.17246@imada.ou.dk> The header says it all. Could someone kindly point me towards a source for this. I have a note from the heated discussion stored, but apparently this is not the final one. I am intending the 5 1/4 drive to seem to be an 8" drive, so no speed changing needed, just (hopefully) a plug-in replacement. The request includes the switches that tells the drive what number it has Thank you in advance. -- Thorbj{\o}rn Ravn Andersen! Human (bright): E= mc^2 => The mutagen isn't ravn@imada.ou.dk ! Turtle (bright too): Cowabunga perfected yet! -- Thorbj{\o}rn Ravn Andersen! Human (bright): E= mc^2 => The mutagen isn't ravn@imada.ou.dk ! Turtle (bright too): Cowabunga perfected yet! ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 18:42:00 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!silver!bwildasi@decwrl.dec.com (Ben Wildasin) Subject: Text Editors: Commodore 128, CP/M 3.0 Message-ID: <1991Aug30.184200.28657@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> First off, thanks to everyone who helped me with my decompression problem. I ended up using the program "ucrlzh" from simtel20. Now for my question: what is the best pd/free/shareware text editor for CP/M? Primary concerns include small size, speed, and a basic feature set including cut/paste, rapid movement through the file (by screen/page, or ideally with some sort of search capability). Ability to do margins, centering, justification, boldface, etc. is not necessary. Ideally (although this is secondary to all the other items) it should have Emacs-style key bindings. (Has anyone ported MicroEmacs to CP/M?) This is a sensitive subject, so why don't you send me e-mail rather than posting; I don't want this group to degenerate into a flame war... I will summarize my responses after I have had a chance to try out some of the suggested editors. -- Ben "Tarquin" Wildasin (of the Not-So-Big Sig) Internet: bwildasi@silver.ucs.indiana.edu BITNET: bwildasi@iubacs NeXT: bwildasi@arapahoe.ucs.indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 91 14:55:06 EDT From: Mike Freeman Subject: ZSM23.LBR assembler uploaded to SIMTEL20 Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Message-ID: In a recent Info-CPM digest, someone mentioned that they were having trouble with files from ZSM23.LBR (from pd2:) on Simtel-20. I downloaded the file from WUARCHIVE and it is indeed corrupt. I have uploaded to Simtel-20 a good copy of ZSM23.LBR. It's length is 768 sectors and its CRC using CRCK44 is 90C4. This should fix the problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Freeman, K7UIJ | Internet: freeman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 301 N.E. 107th Street | or K7UIJ@pacifier.rain.com Vancouver, WA 98685 USA | GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 Telephone (206)574-8221 | Be careful what you wish -- you might | get it! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #151 *************************************